From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #485 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 485 In This Digest: (exotica) Mondo Bizzarro (exotica) Vroooommm! Re: (exotica) Long shot but.... Re: (exotica) swarfega [Charles Moseley: (exotica) Long shot but....] Re: (exotica) Bruce Lee soundtracks (exotica) Road movie soundtracks Re: (exotica) Road movie soundtracks (exotica) The Tube Bar (a/k/a The Red Tapes) Re: (exotica) The Tube Bar (a/k/a The Red Tapes) (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) Re: (exotica) Bruce Lee soundtracks Re: (exotica) Red Tapes Re: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) Re: (exotica) Percy (was Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid) Re: (exotica) gentle people elpee update Re: (exotica) gentle people elpee update Re: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) (exotica) Fwd: Re: rekkid/The Art of Show Drumming (exotica) Super-Garage Sale Re: (exotica) Fwd: Re: rekkid/The Art of Show Drumming Re: (exotica) swarfega Re: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) (exotica) Yet Death Again - Part 2 (exotica) Tiki Font (exotica) tracder vics atlanta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:44:53 +0000 From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Mondo Bizzarro > Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 15:47:03 +0200 > From: Nicola Battista > Subject: Re: (exotica) Santo, actually. > I recently bought this italian annual called Mondo Bizzarro Mag... it > features tons of articles and reviews about all sorts of weird stuff (from > soft-porn stars to crappy records from 70's and so on...); they have a > review of a 1998 issue of a mexican magazine called Super Luchas. It's > all about Lucha Libre wrestlers (they mention briefly El Santo in the > review) and there are ridiculous pics of guys like "Super Pinocho" ;))))) > The mag has also some extremely violent comics... if anyone wants to > know more it's published by Mondo Bizzarro (Piazza San Martino 3/d - > 40126 Bologna, Italy); the shop that published this mag sells any kind of > bizarre stuff (movies, comics, erotica...) and I think they have a > catalogue. If some of you wrestlers and bizarre dudes & gals seek some of this weirdo stuff (much appreciated by myself, don't fear to reveal your sick instincts) or need some more info about the shop and what they stock, I can pass along your unconfessed desires to "Mondo Bizzarro" HQ's, as Bologna happens to be my hometown and I know the guys who run the shop. Stay sick! Gionni Paludi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:13:40 +0000 From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Vroooommm! > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 04:50:57 PDT > From: "Robert McKenna" > Subject: (exotica) exotic italy > anyone heard of this.... > V/A - Vroommm !! LP ( Plastic / Italy ) > " High Performance 70's Turbo Sounds for sprint-exotic movie > scenes ".........that's what it says on the cover !! Not much I can say about the tracks: it's the usual Italian library music from the 6Ts & early 70s that Plastic has been putting out in the last couple of years. When I went at Plastic's some months ago, this compilation was right under process. Marco Plastic played it to me, and I liked it though I suggested to change the track sequence. We worked on it and adjusted it until the right (at least, what it sounded right to us) sequence was found. I think the sequence of a record must be accurate: you cannot have a bossa tune followed by a psychedelic lament and then back to a samba, in my ho. The disc must grow in the ear, if you know what I mean. I understand this is quite onanistic, especially when you can always program your CD player to a different sequence, but I'm just another victim of the subtle perversion of tape compiling, I guess. Where are my vinyl pills? Ciao Gionni Paludi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:53:48 +0100 From: Michael Davidson Subject: Re: (exotica) Long shot but.... In message , Charles Moseley writes >Does anybody on the list know an lp called The Crazy Horse Saloon of Paris >by Albert van Dam? >Any opinions? > >Charlie Yeah I've got a copy here... Cool record "The Crazy Horse Saloon of Paris" Music with a Crazy Horse beat by Albert Van Dam and Orchestra PYE Records 1965 According to the cover notes The Crazy Horse Saloon is the "most sophisticated strip-tease club in the world" Strip Club Music. In my opinion pretty good - a couple of very exotic sounding tracks "Turkish Bath", "Voodoo Doll". My copy is ex-New Zealand Broadcasting Corporation & still has the track timings & playdate stamps on it from when it was played on the main publically owned State Radio Station here. Theres a small note attached that says when playing some tracks that the announcer must append some of the track titles. "Belly Button Dance" is to be announced only as "Button Dance". "Peeping Tom" is to be announced as "Peeping". ta. Michael Michael Davidson Auckland, New Zealand # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:50:02 +0200 From: Ton Rueckert Subject: Re: (exotica) swarfega >Since I see none of the new Italian listmembers (ciao DjBatman & >ErMan) had the guts to translate, I guess it's up to me as veteran >guaglione to take the case, so that everybody can fully appreciate >what a bunch of lovely chaps this list is hosting nowadays. >If you think you were just going to learn about old vinyls & new >zounds in this list, you can now press the delete button. >Otherwise, now dig this: >"suor fica" means "nun cunt". >Pretty exotic, innit? >Now play an Astrud Gilberto song, in order to recover from rudeness. What's rude in Italian or English, is sweet in Dutch. Now 'suor culo', 'nun bum', is not quite the same as 'suor fica' but it sort of falls into the same category. The Dutch word is 'nonnevot' and it's a light spherical cake, a meringue, or a lardy cake (English), a doughnut ball (American), with jam. To be enjoyed with a cup of coffee at 11 am. Cheers, Ton PS An Astrud Gilberto song would go very well with it, yes. 'It might as well be spring'? *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ton Rueckert Mozartstraat 12 5914 RB Venlo The Netherlands *** *** mojoto@plex.nl http://www.plex.nl/~mojoto Ph 31/0 773545386 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ Beware! Your bones are going to be disconnected. ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/4264/music/Xbe3975.ram ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:16:27 +0100 From: Peter Hipwell Subject: [Charles Moseley: (exotica) Long shot but....] > > Does anybody on the list know an lp called The Crazy Horse Saloon of Paris > by Albert van Dam? > Any opinions? > Know it, love it, play it all the time. It's fucking excellent stripper music of various sorts, fantastic arrangments by Les Reed. The highlight of it is probably "Voodoo Doll", v. fast tempo roaring "exotic" music, but pretty much all of it is great. Don't hesitate in recommending you pick it up. - - Pete. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:24:06 +0100 From: Peter Hipwell Subject: Re: (exotica) Bruce Lee soundtracks > > Inspired by this weekend's Bruce Lee extravaganza on the telly, I was > wondering if anybody has any info on Bruce Lee soundtracks. I know the > Enter the Dragon soundtrack but have never seen any others. Anybody? > "Game of Death" by John Barry was once available on CD, together with tracks from, IIRC, an "erotic" film -- the shop I saw this in had lost the disc (bastards). The theme from "The Big Boss" is on the Polydor Easy Loungin' Peter Thomas compilation. I *think* this is the original, I asked here if anyone knew, but got no reply. IMDB give a different composer, but who knows how accurate that is? Great piece, anyway. The only other stuff I have run up against is on an album (LP) on Sunset called "Great Action Film Themes", which has (I think) both "Enter The Dragon" and "Fist of Fury" performed by the United Artists Studio Orchestra -- these are top versions, they have Bruce Lee kung-fu noises overdubbed. - -- Pete. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:36:24 +0100 From: "Charles Moseley" Subject: (exotica) Road movie soundtracks As a youth, I got hooked on a few road movies: Two Lane Blacktop, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry and Vanishing Point were particular favourites. I have the Vanishing Point soundtrack and I know that Two Lane Blacktop has a theme tune featured on the second Sound Gallery compilation but did either Two Lane Blacktop or Dirty Mary Crazy Larry have soundtrack LPs? Thanks all. Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:55:27 EDT From: SLarry3595@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Road movie soundtracks In a message dated 8/24/99 7:33:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Charles_Moseley@MCKINSEY.COM writes: > did either Two > Lane Blacktop or Dirty Mary Crazy Larry have soundtrack LPs? According to my Jerry Osborne "Movie/TV Soundtracks Price Guide" neither of these film soundtracks were released. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Best wishes, Larry PS. Film Score Monthly now has a killer deal on the other film soundtrack price guide. $9.99!! The thing originally cost $30.00 and is out of print. Like all price guides the prices are way higher than any one should ever spend, but it has lots of cool cover pics and is a good resource for finding out if stuff was released and other LPs released by favorite composers. Just search for the Film Score Monthly web site. Plus, a lot of the stuff in that cool mag can be read for free on that site. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:17:40 -0700 From: "Wayno" Subject: (exotica) The Tube Bar (a/k/a The Red Tapes) Peter Risser inquired about the series of prank calls made to "Red" Deutsch, owner of the Tube Bar. Multi-generation cassette copies of these infamous calls circulated for years through an odd assortment of communities: professional sports teams, country music performers and producers, and the punk rock world. Teen Beat Records released LP and CD versions which are now out of print. A few years ago, the guys who made the calls surfaced, calling themselves The Bum Bar Bastards. A new CD, mastered from their own tapes, was released by Detonator Records. I haven't heard the Detonator Records version, but it's supposed to sound a lot clearer than the old Teen Beat disc. A web search for "Tube Bar" turned up these links: *** Doug Burke interviews the perpetrators John Davidson and Jim Elmo: http://www.franksworld.com/prantagonize/97July/bbb.html *** "Red's Curse," an article by Mike Walsh http://missioncreep.com/mw/tubebar/index.html *** Official Bum Bar Bastards Page: http://members.tripod.com/~bumbar/index.html *** Bum Bar Bastards E-mail: BBB@aol.com *** Detonator Records: http://www.detonator.net/tubebar.htm The Tube Bar recordings have become a permanent part of the American collective memory; they're classics. Wayno - ----- MailStart Plus - http://www.mailstartplus.com Consolidate Your Mailboxes Into an Organized, Filtered, Spell-Checked, Anywhere, Anytime WebBox # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:13:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) The Tube Bar (a/k/a The Red Tapes) Speaking of this, a real-audio link, por favor, to the SHUT UP LITTLE MAN, page... Jane Fondle === "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Astroslut website: cuming soon! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) Imagine my girlish happiness when last nite in Target I happened upon a Revlon shade of lippy-stick, a nice dark wine colour, called..."Exotika"! Wearing it now, Jane Fondle, beauty consultant... === "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Astroslut website: cuming soon! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:19:04 -0400 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Bruce Lee soundtracks At 5:56 PM +0100 8/23/99, Charles Moseley wrote: >Inspired by this weekend's Bruce Lee extravaganza on the telly, I was >wondering if anybody has any info on Bruce Lee soundtracks. I know the >Enter the Dragon soundtrack but have never seen any others. Anybody? "The Game Of Death" track, composed by John Barry, is the only other one that I know of br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:57:24 -0400 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Red Tapes At 12:45 PM -0700 8/23/99, Peter Risser wrote: >I'm looking for the original Red Tapes from which much of the Moe's >Tavern phone calls on the Simpsons were based. Even before the Jerky >Boys, this prankster got this guy Red on the phone, who constantly went >apoplectic. Those tapes are now old ewnough to drink at the Tube Bar; they were done 21 years ago! They were released on LP and CD in the late 80's, from possibly first generation copies. Probably the greatest prank tape of all time, although the "Binney Tapes" are a close runner up. I have newspaper articles with photos of Red that I got from a guy writing a book about him. What a world.......... br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:57:46 +0100 From: m h jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) Jane Fondle wrote: > > Imagine my girlish happiness when last nite in Target > I happened upon a Revlon shade of lippy-stick, a nice > dark wine colour, called..."Exotika"! > Wearing it now, > Jane Fondle, beauty consultant... For the sex fiends on the list, I noticed in a vending machine in the gents at a local pub that the Colours of Benetton make certain, uh, 'items' going by the name of 'Exotica'. (ribbed and strawberry flavoured btw...) (Every Bachelor Pad should have some...?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:19:02 +0000 From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) Percy (was Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid) I have to admit that I had never paid him much attention. untill I went to the flea market here in town where someone had all of these martin denny, arthur lyman lps for $.50. I bought a bunch of stuff, including "Brazil" by Percy Faith. I have to say that I had no idea what I was missing. I'm liking this record, now I must find more..christine There has been scant to no praise for Percy Faith on this list in the 3+ years I've been (mostly lurking) here. It's time someone set the record straight. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:19:18 +0000 From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) gentle people elpee update where d'you get the absinth man?? just kidding don't tell. looks like I have to make another trip to Prague. missing the green fairy-christine hey y'all I took tea with the Gentle People yesterday. Er well it was fiery absinth actually # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:29:13 +0100 From: m h jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) gentle people elpee update Christine Karkow wrote: > > where d'you get the absinth man?? just kidding don't tell. looks like I > have to make another trip to Prague. > You can buy in the UK now. Quite expensive I believe, and no longer has the wormwood in it... (fortunately or unfortunately depending on your point of view...) http://www.absinth.co.uk/ (includes cocktail recipes and ordering) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:44:08 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) >Jane Fondle wrote: >> I happened upon a Revlon shade of lippy-stick, a nice >> dark wine colour, called..."Exotika"! Jane honey, I'm soaking in it. Actually, I consulted my faithful guide to fashion, How to Dress for Success by Edith Head. Madame lists an extremely useful Color Aura Chart that matches Hair, Skin, and Eye colors with the hues the smart woman wears to enhance her appearance. Oh Edith, how could you fail us! There is no listing for Exotika Red or even wine. My interpretation? A woman or a shemale of any coloring can wear Exotika. Recklessly. Oh, Ms. Head recommends for Eartha Kitt, "'grayed' tones of blue, green, pink-peachy-beige, ivory." May I add tiger stripe? Please drop me a line if you'd like to know your Personal Color Aura. Mimi, Color Aura pale rose-pink, blue violet, moss green, sable # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Fwd: Re: rekkid/The Art of Show Drumming Hiya...I am forwarding this for a friend...any info would be appreciated, that, and a "Shut Up, Little Man" link! Jane Fondle - --- Sam Ulano (sp?), "The Art of Show Drumming" No label info, late 50's or early 60's. > It's a record of this Vaudeville drummer, who's > giving instructions on how > to do all sorts of "showbiz" drumming: curtain call > music, circus acts, > jugglers, singers, accenting falls by comedians, > etc. It's absolutely > hysterical. The guy is talking and playing non stop > for the entire album > side, giving examples while he's talking, singing > horn parts while he > drums. It's a tour de force, extremely entertaining > and engaging beyond > the usual raised eyebrow response a lot of these > "how to" records often elicit. > === "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Astroslut website: cuming soon! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Risser Subject: (exotica) Super-Garage Sale Hey! I would have discussed it if I had heard about it! C'mon guys, publish this stuff BEFORE the fact if you hear about it! "Too Bad, So Very Very Sad" Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:51:12 -0500 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fwd: Re: rekkid/The Art of Show Drumming > --- Sam Ulano (sp?), "The Art of Show Drumming" I don't know anything about this particular LP but I have another Sam Ulano rekkid called "Follow the Leader Bongos" (Lane 143). Looks to be late '50s, early '60s, and it's Sam ("bop-bop-bop, bop- bop-bop, do the cha-cha...!" Ulano demonstrating how any dummy can play the skins. In his New Yawk accent (no offense, New Yorkers), he shows how to do the cha-cha, merengue, samba beats, etc. It even came with an instruction book! I have no idea who this cat is, but I'd sure like to find out. Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) swarfega > Ton Rueckert on 08/24/99 05:50:02 > AM >> What's rude in Italian or English, is sweet in > Dutch. Now 'suor culo', > 'nun bum', is not quite the same as 'suor fica' but > it sort of falls > into the same category. The Dutch word is 'nonnevot' > and it's a light > spherical cake, a meringue, or a lardy cake > (English), a doughnut ball > (American), with jam. To be enjoyed with a cup of > coffee at 11 am. > > Cheers, Ton > Aha! My new fave perv Ton! You KNOW I'd have one, too..."chocha"...Espanol for femme-genitalia! Juanita Fondelia, Sies y nueve! === "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Astroslut website: cuming soon! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:43:15 -0400 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Ohhh....Girrrlllsss(and drag queens on this list!) For the sex fiends on the list, I noticed in a vending machine in the gents at a local pub that the Colours of Benetton make certain, uh, 'items' going by the name of 'Exotica'. (ribbed and strawberry flavoured btw...) ...and the best graffiti that I have heard about near one of those types of machines was: "Hmm, this gum tastes funny..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:42:06 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Yet Death Again - Part 2 So here is more on Michele and her respondents discussion: In a message dated 8/21/99 1:26:41 AM PST, Velaires writes: << was not addressing your article singularly (which, if I had been, I would certainly be missing the point), but rather a lot of local/national/international scuttlebutt. Whether or not you and I have traded in our Esquivel CDs for Big Bad Voodoo Daddy is beside the point -- we're diehards by our own admission. My thesis is that the industry has decided to make that decision for us, by not releasing lounge/exotica titles, and instead flooding the market with bands who are one sort of Daddy or another.>> Yes, exactly - see we are agreeing on this! My point was they ruined the availability for those who want to buy the CD re-issues and of course the scene is now back underground since the rest of the world has been informed by the music industry that we've died..... Also, in terms of the "lounge is dead" message that the record industry has created: I think I spent a good portion of my "Angry White Lounge Woman" column disputing the media-created notion that "lounge is dead" by discussing the constant usage of "lounge signifiers" in radio opening/closing music, lounge themed television shows, lounge usage by Nick At Nite/TV Land as well as advertisements on television - and this point was re-iterated by Brother Cleve at the end of his interview. >> I was agreeing with and further stressing that point, not missing or disputing it.>> Yes, it was just the way you'd phrased your response that it sounded like you'd thought I was saying the opposite.... Misunderstanding #2: "(As for the notion that swing has captured what was once the lounge demographic, it doesn't appear that way. The swing audience is much younger, at least in Los Angeles.)" Which brings me to Mr. Heller's other dispute: that I was suggesting that the lounge scenesters switched to swing when that media-created craze "happened." This is not what I was saying, nor do I believe anyone on the Exotica List has suggested such a silly notion. What I said was that the record industry "moved on" to the swing scene and totally "dumped" the lounge scene because the record industry for whatever reason, is incapable of dealing with or promoting two underground scenes at the same time. >>Neither you nor I had to assert such a silly notion. The record companies have already put it into motion. If two scenes seem similar, it is too confusing for a record company guy -- who knows marketing but not music -- to differentiate.>> We agree here.... > It is much easier for them to declare one scene dead (and thus all the lounge >record bins back east started disappearing - as per a statement made by Ross in >my introduction to the interview with Br. Cleve), than it is to continue a campaign to >sell records on two fronts - which is what they would have had to do. >> They tend to think if the clothes are at all similar, the music must be the same.>> Yes, we are in agreement. >I don't know - I am only a novice observer and not a music industry insider. >> Which explains that you still care something about music.>> STILL? Did anything I say seem to indicate otherwise? I'm confused here. But what I am saying is that I am very interested in observing how lounge scene was marketed then how we were bushwacked by the swing thing - which of course the entire mainstream phenomenon that came to be was just a media construct - and interested in analyzing with people such as you and Br. Cleve who are "in the know" so to speak. That is all I was doing and then of course the frustration of being "out of the limelight" and being told we were "dead" by the industry because they are too simple-minded to deal with the fact that they put out some crummy releases and really killed the sales for themselves in that way... >Neither I nor Br. Cleve ever suggested that lounge fans stopped liking lounge and >jumped onto the swing bandwagon. I think Brother Cleve tried to clarify the >demographics of the swing scene and the lounge scene with some detail in the >interview. >> I never said that you claimed the lounge crowd had changed its focus to swing. I said -- and, I admit, not as well as I had meant to -- that the industry focus had switched from one retro-rocket to another, without much thought as to the music.>> Which is what Br. Cleve tries to say as well. I enjoyed your DIY approach to what we should all do if we want to be able to continue buying CD re-issues of Lounge music: ".... Those who feel the most strongly about the availability of discs should start their own label, run their own DJ night at a club, print their own fanzines, or form their own groups and mount performances. None of these things is all that hard to do." > How many of the lounge music fans out there: >#1) Have the technical know-how and equipment to record their vinyl onto CD, and/or >>It's pretty easy for anyone with a computer and a soundcard at this point.>> > #2) Have the know-how to deal with record companies, obtain the rights, etc. to get these >records re-issued on CD legitimately. >>You think I was born knowing how to do that? I get the feeling you don't think I'm all that intelligent, yet I have mounted reissues (and continue to do so). Ergo, it can't be that hard. >> No, no, no. First of all you are insulting all of us clueless people out there who do not know how to do such technical things with our computers as convert vinyl to CD. I have no experience with such things and many other people have no idea how to do this. There are some people on the Exotica List doing this - there was a whole discussion about this in a thread last fall.... but I'd say far and wide most Exotica list members do not have the technical know-how to do this (of course I took no poles, but talking to the common man on the street at work, at home, etc, no one I know personally knows how to do this or is doing this. I don't quite understand how you can take my defense of those of us out there who don't know how to do this and turn it into a judgement about your capabilities.... think about that one for a second. >>But if the industry has decided to stop making CD's -- with no regard as to whether the music is any good or not -- you can and should take matters into your own hands. Whether you do that by burning CD's, starting a band or a zine, whatever -- but one should do something to further the music.>> This is the point I tried to make - what seems 'easy' to you is not to the rest of us non-technical people out there - the comment appears ludicruous in light of the fact that the average person out there with a computer is not pioneering how to turn their vinyl into CD. That was the entire point of my tirade in my column and which led to the interview with Br. Cleve: THAT THE RECORD INDUSTRY HAS ABANDONED LOUNGE TO FOCUS ON A NEW FAD - "SWING" - AND THUS, THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE LOUNGE COMPS OR RE-ISSUES FOR THE LOUNGE FAN TO PURCHASE. >> And how is my point different? My point: Music doesn't die -- record companies pronounce it "no longer sellable".>> If I take into consideration that you stated that you were not only responding to me but to the other items you've read on this subject, then what you are doing is making a parallel point - and your point is taken! I totally agree with you point. >>Again, I wasn't responding to you as my entire thing -- your Br Cleve bit was one thread of many, and one of the more intelligent ones to hit print. Other people -- some of whom are on NO email list of any kind -- talk about this. Thank you for the complement; I appreciate that. << Kindly understand something -- I make my living in music, and a goodly portion of it in the kind of music about which we are speaking. I was the first guy to get a Les Baxter reissue together. The fashionablility quotient of lounge music hasn't really blipped across my radar. Dead? Don't tell me - -- I'm busy trying to mount a Leo Diamond anthology over here. I'm trying to get Robert Drasnin another performance of VOODOO, this time by an ensemble that can perform it correctly. If you look closely at the credits for recent performances of old lounge music, you'll see that I'm usually the instigator (where do you think Mr Altruda got the Baxter scores? Who do you think did the orchestration?) -- and I don't give a rat's ass if "the industry" says it's not happening anymore. An industry should not have the power to condemn to death a style of music if the audience exists -- no matter how small that audience. This music is a living, breathing part of my life, as are the people who have made it. Forget the records -- the loss of Les Baxter was a close and personal one for me. So maybe I have a personal stake in seeing that people don't lose the opportunity to visit his recorded legacy. I survived two tours with Yma Sumac, whose legacy will endure despite her chipping away at it. I've made an investment of myself into this music. I may have a different spin on things, because I function within the industry, but I hold its cynicism about music -- and the people who love and care about music -- in active contempt. I've been up close to see people get chewed up and spit out by an industry they helped to thrive. This is the nature of big business, and that's why I have to wonder why anybody even suspects the music industry will behave differently. Capitol operates on the same principles and integrity as Exxon. Just because they used to use Les Baxter to make their money doesn't make them nice people. Now they use Garth Brooks.>> Skip, I think everyone is well aware of your accomplishments and there was no need to lecture me on them - and what did they have to do with this argument to begin with? We are all aware of the industry's bottom line and that is ultimately why they jumped ship on lounge - but none of this was relevant to our discussion and let's not get sidetracked into a discussion about your accomplishments, or your insinuation that I am not aware of who you are or that you worked with so and so. You've made a name for yourself, no doubt, but this is not the issue at hand. Stick to the facts, man. Break out the violins.... this sounds like a sermon. << All the best to you and all your efforts. Despite that we see things differently, I think you are doing a wonderful job in your column. >> Thank you for the kind words. Actually we have agreed on most everything here - once we cut to the chase. It was a pleasure debating you - once again - - perhaps we will meet in person sometime and have a person to person conversation - I'm sure we will find ourselves agreeing about most such things. I wish you luck with your musical endeavors. Sincerely, Michele Galassi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:05:31 -0400 From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Tiki Font The most-used (or maybe over-used) font to suggest "primativeness" is probably the one called "Neuland," designed in the 20s by Rudolph Koch. You've seen it a million times, on the spines of books about Africa, etc. (maybe most prominently, a compressed inline version is the "Jurassic Park" font). I think you can still get a freeware clone called "Tribeca" from the usual places, including (for mac PostScript users): ftp://mirrors.aol.com/mir01/MICH/mac/system.extensions/font/type1/tribeca.sit.hqx Interestingly, Kock was better known for designing elegant roman fonts and the older blackletter/Fraktur style of German type. But he thought it would be an interesting experiment to create a rough-looking type directly into the metal of the font punches. (So actually each different point size looked slightly different, something you don't get in the computer versions.) So it is actually sort of related to an Exotica sensibility . . . font geek, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:11:57 EDT From: Trebonious@aol.com Subject: (exotica) tracder vics atlanta hey guys- not to beat the proverbial deceased horse but i went to Trader Vic's tonight- a few of you commented awhile back that the Atlanta Vic's was almost always empty- and well i can attest to that... as far as i could see, we were the only people in there the entire time we were there, and we had appetizers, entrees, desert, and coffee afterwards...i would say that the buisness they do there isnt exactly brisk... the food was ok, honestly i was hoping for more, the decor was exciting, but again, i think i had my expectations too high, but it was good overall... i got a couple of bevies...a 'Pogo Stick' not sure whats in it besides rum, but it sure made my ears warm...and since i was at Vic's where better to get a mai tai...anyways guys... - -the Caucasian Sensation # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #485 *****************************