From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #538 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 538 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Re: (exotica) Paul replies...Didn't RealAudio ask for it? (exotica) fwd: Online Music Sales Booming - Survey Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! (exotica) Theremin Goes Country Re: (exotica) That early? Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! (exotica) Dine at Exotica Re: (exotica) That early? Re: (exotica) Paul replies...Didn't RealAudio ask for it? (exotica) a new moog cd Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! (exotica) Playlist for "Mondo Bongos" Nov 10, 1999 (exotica) Xavier Cugat Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! (exotica) Francoise Hardy Re: (exotica) a new moog cd (exotica) Les Baxter site Re: (exotica) That early? Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? (exotica) Fwd: astroslut cd release @ lizard lounge--sat nov 13 (exotica) Dennypalooza! Re: (exotica) That early? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:14:16 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? At 10:11 PM 11/8/99, Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: ><< The situation will only get worse if the means of production and > distribution come under control of a handful of immense and enormously > powerful megacorporations created by mergers. >What do you mean it will get worse "when" we have these megacorporations? >That is what we have now. Agreed, TB. I was thinking specifically of Time Warner, Viacom, and,in publishing, the German firm Bertelsmann. The business media forecast that this trend will continue--in many industries beyond entertainment. This is our cue to quake in fear :). MM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:47:09 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Paul replies...Didn't RealAudio ask for it? Some time last night, the agile-minded and genial Paul Moshay wrote: sending this just to you... if your reply was on list and want to forward my reply to the list, go ahead and do so... ********* on 11/8/99 10:03 AM the incisive Mimi Mayer scribbled; > Thanks for responding, Paul. I didn't ask my question to put you on the > defensive i had not felt that really. was only addressing raising the issue you had touched upon, if i recall correctly :) > The situation will only get worse if the means of production and > distribution come under control of a handful of immense and enormously > I really hoped that the Net would provide artists a fairer means of > distribution than we have now--"fairer" meaning the creators get the i don't think the more fair distribution would go as far as the artist receiving a majority of profits, for the average artist at least. > make the $$ they deserve for their creative work. I view piracy as a > necessary cost or risk that artists must take to gain greater control over > the distribution their work--it's a smart way to build audiences outside o= f > corporate funding. how does making your music available to freely copy infinitely at no cost, benefit an artist monetarily? if artists feel they do not get a fair shake from the familiar record deal, how is giving away their recorded songs unprotected from unlimited piracy going to better their situation? is the unstated notion that giving away the music, acts would make money selling concert tix or teeshirts, etc. ? this is the part that bewilders me. in a pure digital transmission world without copyright piracy protection, where does the artist 'earn a living' exactly ? i'm confused, enlighten me. >> heard about any 'above ground' indies giving away the masters/copyrights' >> of albums' they paid to record to the artists', simply because they may >> be more genuinely into their music. > > No, that kind of thinking is naive. Of course producers are entitled to > regain their investment and make *some* profit...but it's wrong that they > take a higher share of the profits than creators, whose talent and work > make the profits possible in the first place. possibly, though most artists are not successful economically and the ones that are have generally have short lifespans... pop music is like talking about perishables in a sad sense. therefore majors know that and that there are thousands of artists out there willing to sign for a shot at mass success that they would almost never have otherwise. >> of music industry don't include a provision for 10, 20, or 30 percent of >> the aggregate demand for prerecorded music in the us to be satiated >> by piracy. less choices and less chances would be taken than even now. > > Agreed. And the majors, in film, television, recording, and publishing are > already becoming more selective in the products they choose to produce. Bu= t > I also think the entertainment industries must alter their business models > to provide bigger royalties to the creators. Technology demands it; > technology is moving to a place whenere artists can control the means of > distribution themselves--call it guerrilla distribution. Given this > situation, Paul, do you understand why I find the megacorporations' scream= s > of protest against piracy because it rips off artists a tad disingenuous? yes, and they should simply come clean or cleaner with that. they are concerned about both themselves and their acts. bear in mind that many majors also support their acts lifestyles to one degree or another with the notion that it is worth it to allow them freedom to write/record/ tour...and keep their lives intact while doing so. labels' will eventually have to give a bigger share of profits to artists' i believe. the bigger acts' ability to run their own careers over the net without label support. after the beastie boys next album their contract is up with capitol, and they have everything set up to do it *all* on their own. others will follow suit, and that ability will tip things a bit more evenly between labels and acts generally. > I've very little sympathy for the corporados who bewail the evils of pirac= y > when their business models seek to build their profits without offering > decent pay and wide promotion of artists. If cottage industry web sites ar= e > the best way for artists to build a audience that will get them make a > living wage, then man, teach me to exploit the technology. if the major/indies cannot exploit the masters' of their artists' releases they pay to create, they'd put their money in other ventures. Up to a "certain" executive level in these companies these are really music people that like yourself want to earn a living by doing something they love...but that can't continue if as a company they're giving away their output. > In the meantime, let's buy music, books, video cassettes of films directly > from the creators as often as we can. Jane, I wanna buy the AstroSlut CD Agreed! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 11:18:12 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) fwd: Online Music Sales Booming - Survey FYI, y'all. - -Lou lousmith@pipeline.com 11/04/99 Online Music Sales Booming - Survey Online music sales are booming and only rank behind books as the most popular item bought on the Web, a survey found. The study, released by the market research firm Greenfield Online, found that almost 60 percent of the people polled purchased music online in the past 90 days. A third of those who purchased music online spent between $50 to $150, and most planned to spend even more in the future. However, two of the top three music purchases came from stores not specifically devoted to music. Leading the way with 44 percent of the visitors was amazon.com, followed by CDNow.com with 39 percent. Barnesandnoble.com was third with 27 percent. The much-publicized MP3.com, which allows users to download music directly from the site onto their own hardware, was fourth with 16 percent. "The reason why amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com ranked so high has a lot to do with Internet branding," Tricia Rosen, product manager at Greenfield Online, said. "They get their name out there and transit you into other products they offer. They capture you." Rosen said many MP3.com customers downgraded their experience at the site due to ease of navigation, content satisfaction, and customer service. The survey, which polled 5,100 people who have shopped for music in the past 90 days, found that four out of 10 believe satisfactory customer service is essential for them to make a purchase from the site. Seventy-nine percent said price is a big factor and will not buy from the site if they can find it cheaper, despite the convenience. Nearly half have abandoned purchases because it involved shipping charges, and most are willing to pay extra for custom music mixes. http://www.bizreport.com/news/1999/11/991104-1.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:02:31 -0800 From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! http://www.lesbaxter.com/ What a GORGEOUS site! The Shockwave stuff is KILLER, and the streaming files are a real treat. There's even a link to email Les's family! No time read it all yet, but I plan on mixin' me a cocktail, gettin' cozy and spendin' some quality time with Les real soon. Here's a listening tip: When you click on a file to listen, it will ask you if you want to copy it to your hard-drive or open it from there. Either way, you have to wait for it to download - BUT - if you right-click and choose "copy shortcut" then open Winamp or whatever player you have, click "ctrl-L" and paste this shortcut into the "open location" window, it will stream directly from the site. This works for most soundfiles on the web provided you have the necessary bandwidth to play that file. Ron > >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Theremin Goes Country http://www.bigbriar.com/forum.htm A little link to a theremin played country by Ed Stanley, "King of the Hillbilly Theremin" Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:27:03 +0100 From: Mo Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century > Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... > >> > > Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele > actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. Hey, and why didn't you tell us, you sonophilus conspirativus!? Don't you see? This gives Exotica music an entirely new dimension. According to this, Exotica is the original music that first was published on any recorded medium. It fits so perfect: A totally artificial new medium comes with this artificial music. I can only imagine how exotic a Hawaiian record on one of the first phonographs must really have sounded to the ears of the people of the turn of the century. What I'm saying is, that Exotic music in this context was absolutely futuristic in the beginning! When Picasso did his revolution in art of bringing primitive sculptures into western painting at around 1905-07, there was a craze of Hawaiian music going on in America? That's amazing. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:40:56 -0600 From: kingkini@tamboo.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! >What a GORGEOUS site! The Shockwave stuff is KILLER, and the streaming >files are a real treat. There's even a link to email Les's family! yes, it is a very nice site. it was done by Les's daughter Leslie (i'm not sure who actually designed it). my only disappointment (an admittedly selfish one) is that they lifted most of the LP covers right off my Baxter site (which has been up for a number of years and praised by many including Leslie and Capitol). i know, i know, i don't own the rights to the cover art, but if you knew how long it took me to scan all of those covers (each in four pieces!)... you get my point. They could have asked... or credited.. or something. anyway, the moral is: don't ignore the original Les Baxter site... http://www.tamboo.com/baxter Embrace all that is Baxter. Les is More. ...and for God's sake, bookmark the "Cocktail Nation" links page! you'd have known about Leslie's site a long time ago! http://www.tamboo.com/clubvelvet/loungelinks.html visit... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ King Kini's C L U B V E L V E T http://www.tamboo.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:16 +0100 From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) Dine at Exotica So it wasnt music after all.... It was a restaurant. http://www.dine.co.za/exotica.html Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:56:37 EST From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? In a message dated 11/09/99 2:27:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << What I'm saying is, that Exotic music in this context was absolutely futuristic in the beginning! When Picasso did his revolution in art of bringing primitive sculptures into western painting at around 1905-07, there was a craze of Hawaiian music going on in America? That's amazing. >> the 1920's really saw a more pronounced interest in Hawaiian music. this continued to build thru out the 30's and 40's. and i like to think of the Gaugain anology about being ahead of his time --- i mean living with the topless natives and all. TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:09:53 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Paul replies...Didn't RealAudio ask for it? At 10:47 AM 11/9/99 -0500, Mimi Mayer wrote: > >if the major/indies cannot exploit the masters' of their artists' >releases they pay to create, they'd put their money in other ventures. Or maybe that was Paul said that. I might have gotten lost. But my response is the same. That'll never happen and if it does, who cares? Some earlier post said something to the effect of "With all this talk of artists selling online, can anyone name an artist who has sold well strictly online?" or something to that effect. I don't know sales figures but I know that self-produced and distributed acts like Jane Siberry have augmented their sales through online distribution. I've never bought anything online - unless you include buying records from people on this list - but someday when I have less time to haunt used record stores and maybe good enough credit to get a card, I'm sure I will. I'm not going to downplay the importance of major record companies but I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to say that their interest is in selling 25 million copies of a single record and not in selling 25 thousand copies of a thousand different records. That's where new kinds of distribution come in handy. Without record company involvement, a lot of artists could survive and even flourish on sales of 25 thousand. Or even much less. Online distribution is not a panacea and major media conglomerates will always find a way to dominate production and distribution. But that's not because they do it better. It's because most people who buy records want to buy the same record everyone else buys so that they can be like everyone else. For people who actually want to find the music that they personally enjoy, regardless of how many others do, online distribution will undoubtedly become more and more significant. I don't really have anything to say about people downloading free music but I think it's a rare person who wants the music more than they want "the object" and I can't imagine this phenomenon seriously hurting anyone's sales. Some people are happy with the tape their friend makes them. And some become more driven to find the record that the tape came from. Sorry if I just repeated someone's earlier thoughts. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:41:46 EST From: Jazzbaby27@aol.com Subject: (exotica) a new moog cd there was a new moog compilation cd released on november second... Best of the Moog - Electronic Pop Hits from the 60's and 70's. My cd just arrived from amazon today.. and it's fabulous!!!!!! the track listing is as follows: 1. Popcorn - Hot Butter 2. Savers, The - Perrey-Kingsley 3. E.V.A. - Jean Jacques Perrey 4. Look Of Love, The - Richard Hayman 5. Midnight Cowboy - Martin Denny 6. One Note Samba - Perrey-Kingsley / Spanish Flea - Perrey-Kingsley 7. Foggy Mountain Breakdown - Gil Trythall 8. Bond St. - Enoch Light & The Light Brigade 9. Winchester Cathedral - Perrey - Kingsley 10. I Apologize Mr. Rossini - Armando Trovaioli 11. Baroque Hoedown - Perrey - Kingsley 12. Jeepster - Electric Cokernut 13. Kinky Peanuts - Armando Trovaioli 14. Back Off Boogaloo - Elektrik Cokernut 15. Shank - First Moog Quartet 16. Moog Power - Hugo Montenegro & His Orchestra 17. Give It Up Or Turn It Loose - Dick Hyman 18. Hey Hey - First Moog Quartet 19. E.V.A. - Jean Jacques Perrey (Fatboy Slim remix) remix)http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001R3NJ/o/qid=942183643/sr=8-3/002-6548682-7376252 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:49:58 -0500 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It sounds like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT Martin Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:14:38 -0000 From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Is anyone able to confirm or otherwise the news I just read on a newsgroup that Lester Bowie passed away yesterday? I haven't been able to find out anything anywhere on the net... Robbie - ---------------------------------------------------------- ** ** ** * Spaced Out - the Enoch Light Website * ** ** ** ** ** ** * http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/light/ * ** ** ** - ---------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:24:51 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? Robbie Baldock wrote: > Is anyone able to confirm or otherwise the news I just read on a newsgroup that Lester Bowie passed away yesterday? I haven't been able to find out anything anywhere on the net... Robbie Sadly, it appears to be true. See:http://elvispelvis.com/lesterbowie.htm Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:33:56 -0800 From: Paul Moshay Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! what application opens an ".asp" sound file on mac? weird i have every app under the sun here, but nothing happening opening the sound files within that site. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:39:08 -0500 From: "telstar" Subject: (exotica) Playlist for "Mondo Bongos" Nov 10, 1999 "Mondo Bongos" can be heard every Wednesday mornings at 9 on CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome. Amon Duul II - Wolf City "Wolf City" Eno - The Great Pretender "Taking Tiger Mountain (by Strategy)" Egg - Long Piece #1/Part 1 "The Polite Force" John Cale/Terry Riley - The Protege "Church of Anthrax" Faust - Party 3 "The Last Lp" Curver - ...udagur "Sjo" Spacemen 3 - Suicide "Playing with Fire" Dimentia 13 - Lysergic Mental Vibrations "Dimentia 13" The Index - Israeli Blues "The Index" Mutantes - Panis et Circenses "Os Mutantes" Mutantes - Banho De Lua "Mutantes" The Mandrake Memorial - Earthfriend "Puzzle" Amon Duul - Shattering and Falling "Collapsing" Ron Geesin - Hiding Haul of Voices, Hail! "Right Through" Until next time... Allan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:39:58 +0100 From: "Kristjan Saag" Subject: (exotica) Xavier Cugat I'm working on a newspaper article about Xavier Cugat (who was born = January 1st 1900). Does anyone know of a biography of Cugat or anything = substantial of biographical nature about him? Kristjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 15:43:12 -0800 From: "Kevin C." Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Brian Phillips wrote: > > ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It sounds > like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT Martin > Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? Yes, definitely not the original (Ritual of the Savage) version (in addition to birdcalls also has additional percussion). It is credited to Dionysis copyright 1995. Anyone else have any ideas? Kevin Crossman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 15:42:05 -0800 From: "Kevin C." Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! Paul Moshay wrote: > > what application opens an ".asp" sound file on mac? > weird i have every app under the sun here, but nothing > happening opening the sound files within that site. That would be ".asf" I believe it is for the Windows Media Player (which, I think there is a Mac version available) - -kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:47:55 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Didn't RealAudio ask for it? This has become a frighteningly complex thread. But my wooden nickels on a few points... 1) As you may recall, I've been saying for a long time that the 'net has the potential to let artists cut out the middleman and connect directly with the audience. But of course, the traditional industry will not take that lightly. I suppose the extreme possibilties would be: A big-money controlled 'net where *everything* is encrypted, digital-watermarked and automatically debited from your 'net credit' account when you download it. And individuals are shut out by a combination of high-cost-of-entry/operation and regulations ensuring same. Yeah, these constantly larger and more centralized mega-corps are very scary. A groovy utopia where artists dole out their visions without interference and no one ever rips them off. Ha ha ha ha. Reality surely somewhere messy in between the two. 2) I'm curious about the source of the "Illusion Of Power" article that Paul posted. It does make some good points. But with its overall tone of, "hey artists, quit dreaming and get back to working within The Machine," it sounds sounds like it sourced from someone within the machine. I was also amused by its line about "A new artist on any MP3 site is just one in a million faces." So? How is that any different from the music scene at large? 3) One night in the late 80s, I was switching through the channels and happened on yet another generic hair metal band on MTV. After going blech, I was surprised to discover some sympathy for the l'il substance abusers... just more cannon fodder for the music industry to chew through... "man, they're just another fly on the windshield." Later, I had the sad vision that everyone is just another fly on the windshield of the industry. Even the big successful artists. It just takes longer to become obvious for them. Although perhaps it would be more accurate to see the artists as oxygen molecules sucked into the carburetor of the music industry and burned up in its ever-hungry engine. The sales money is gasoline. And the oil is, erm, payola! Sometimes I think Charles Ives was really onto something with his "real musicians have day jobs" philosophy. 4) Basing your business on encryption is a shaky proposition, as any encryption can be broken sooner or later. And isn't there a quote somewhere to the effect that "if you treat someone as a criminal, they will eventually behave as a criminal"? When I was a kid, there was a 5&10 store in town (in case the term is not familiar in your neighborhood, perhaps "dime store" or "variety store"?). When kids would go in, the elderly ladies who worked there would follow them around, watching like hawks to be sure they didn't steal anything. Eventually the honest kids avoided the store because they didn't like being treated like crooks. The only kids who went in were the the ones looking for the kicks of stealing something and maybe getting away with it. The music business grew and thrived through decades without encryption... the eras of shellac, vinyl, tape, CDs. Is it really necessary now? The best defense against bootlegging or piracy is to make a product easily available at a price perceived as cheap. I think given such an opportunity, most people would prefer to buy legit (and if you knew what a misanthrope I can be, you would laughing as loud as I am at the sight of me saying that). 5) When the Y2K bogieman takes everything down, it's going to be nothing but live acoustic music anyway (and Gramophones & Victrolas), so why worry. (yeah, I'm joking) 6) You really DO want the Astroslut cd. Mine arrived today and it's a blast(off). That Quinn Martian is such a prankster. E-mail andrew_farmer@harvard.edu for 'direct' ordering info. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:54:59 -0600 From: Kerry Subject: Re: (exotica) Office Les Baxter site - WOW!!! arghhh!! They spelled "theremin" *wrong*! - -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:42:27 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Francoise Hardy I've acquired this Francoise Hardy album: "Francoise....." Four Corners Of The World Records (a Kapp Records sub-label). Songs (for identification purposes): Ce Petit Coeur Il Se Fait Tard Tout Ce Qu'on M'a Dit L'Amitie En T'Attendant Je T'Aime Non Ce N'est Pas Un Reve Quel Mal Y A-T-Il A Ca Tu Peux Bien Le Temps Des Souvenirs Je Pensais Dis Lui Non I like it, but other than brief mentions of her on the list, I don't really know anything about her. Perhaps some of you 'yeh yeh' experts could shed some light? Her work in general? Where this fits in? Does this correspond to a differently titled French release was it comped together for the American market? Thanks again, m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:57:57 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) a new moog cd At 04:41 PM 11/9/99 EST, Jazzbaby27@aol.com wrote: > >there was a new moog compilation cd released on november second... >Best of the Moog - Electronic Pop Hits from the 60's and 70's. >My cd just arrived from amazon today.. and it's fabulous!!!!!! > >the track listing is as follows: What? No Moog Machine? No Sir Christopher Scott? No Electronic Concept Orchestra? Or Claude Denjean? John Keating? Marty Gold? Zeet Band? I'm sure this is a fine/fun compilation but personally I would rather have one made by the moog collectors on this list. Hint, hint. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:42:08 -0600 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Les Baxter site > ...and another thing: which version of "Quiet Village" is that? It > sounds like the original, but overlaid with bird calls. It is NOT > Martin Denny's. Was Baxter's original reissued with ornithology? >It is credited to Dionysis copyright 1995. Anyone else have any >ideas? Sounds like it must be from "The Lost Episode", with music from the Les Baxter TV special. That version of "Quiet Village" includes birdcalls. Anybody know where to acquire the videotape of this show? Darrell Brogdon dbrogdon@ukans.edu The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 22:05:09 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? >Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze... Yep. I've read about it in various places, but at the moment, I'm checking the details in Jim Beloff's book, "The Ukulele: A Visual History". The Merchants Association Of Hawaii (perhaps many of the same men who overthrew the native monarchy) was keen to increase tourism to the islands and saw the potential of Hawaiian music and dance to create interest. In 1901, The Hawaiian Glee Club (with backup band including ukuleles) played a tour of mainland cities, including the Pan-American Exposition (like a Worlds' Fair) in Buffalo, New York. The real spark, though, was San Francisco's Panama-Pacific International Exposition of 1915. The Hawaiian legislature approved $100,000 for construction of the Hawaii Pavilion, where shows were attended by some 17 million people through its run. And the Hawaiian fad took off, hula dancing, grass skirts, ukes, steel guitar and all. The hit song to come out of the Exposition was Henry Kailimai's "On The Beach At Waikiki". This was referred to as a hapa-haole (half white) song, because it was a mixture of authentic Hawaiian and mainland pop elements (though as someone here pointed out a while back, authentic Hawaiian music itself is a blend of styles from other places). Tin Pan Alley and the young record companies began cranking out tons of imitation Hawaiian songs. So yes, exotica does have deep roots. I think you could trace it back through the centuries (imagine a medieval European court being entertained by the novelty of Middle Eastern musicians), but I'm not the scholar for the job. Here's a site devoted to the Panama-Pacific International Exposition: http://www.sanfranciscomemories.com/ppie/panamapacific.html m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:37:55 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Lester Bowie RIP? >Robbie Baldock wrote: >> Is anyone able to confirm or otherwise the news I just read on a >newsgroup that Lester Bowie passed away yesterday? Dr. Death confirmed. Ohhhhhhh. We should all don lab coats as a tribute to him. Very very sad Mim= i # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:01:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Fwd: astroslut cd release @ lizard lounge--sat nov 13 > astroslut cd release > saturday november 13 @ the lizard lounge > [1667 mass av-between harvard and porter, on right > when traveling to > porter] > This will be the party to celebrate the release of > our debut 13 song CD on > the Soundworks Studios label entitled "Love at Zero > G." The evening begins > with a Pre-Show Party at 8p. Fabulous food will be > provided by the > Cambridge Common. The extra super fabulous Seks > Bomba plays at 10p. > Astroslut's first set will start shortly after 11p. > We will be decked out > in our new Astrowear and the stage spiced with Astro > Dancers and cool > background visuals. The magnificent Brother Cleve > will spin tunes in > between all sets. Astroslut's second set will be > designed by our planet > wear. The new CD will be available for purchase at > a low CD Release Party > price of $10. The evening is complete all for you, > made with love, driven > by sex, and demands your attendance. > > http://www.cdalley.com/web_store/web_store.cgi > Click on "alternative" and there we are-listed > first. Listen to some astro > samples. > > "Love at Zero G" available in stores NOW! > > catch this if you can! > sat 11/13 - astroslut cd release w/seks bomba @ the > lizard lounge > sat 12/3 - francine @ the abbey lounge > tue 12/7 - the douglas fir/the gravy/brian charles > @ toad > mon 12/20 - clayton (francine) w/paula & aaron (boy > wonder)/jed (gravel > pit)/boy joys @ t.t.'s acoustic mondays > fri 12/17 - den mothers/quick fix @ t.t.'s > fri 1/7 - francine @ arlene's grocery, nyc > ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:57:28 -1000 From: Lloyd Kandell Subject: (exotica) Dennypalooza! Aloha exoticats + kitties- Please check out http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/islandlife2.html for an item in today's paper re A Martin Denny Tribute we've put together to close this year's Hawaii International Film Festival... wish you were here! Also, please note my new email address is lkandell@hawaii.rr.com all the best, Fluid Floyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:42:20 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) That early? At 08:27 PM 11/9/99 +0100, Mo wrote: >> << Well..., this article says that in the 10s of this century >> Hawaiian music was a national (USA) craze.... >> >> >> >> Oh yeah, and I have tons of old 78s to prove it. The Hawaiian ukulele >> actually was played in many other orchestral arrangements. >This gives Exotica music an entirely new dimension. According to this, Exotica >is the original music that first was published on any recorded medium. It fits >so perfect: A totally artificial new medium comes with this artificial music. Whoa there pardner. Explain what you mean by "artificial". I probably shouldn't reply to any post about the earliest recordings without at least consulting that book with the word "Tin Foil" in the title but having heard lots of cylinders (I own some but can't play them) and other earlier recordings like "Berliners", I don't think you can make much of a case for "exotica" unless you give the term a much broader implication. The earliest record I own - which I can actually play anyway - is called something like "Steamship Leaving the Wharf in New Orleans" and it's a "spoken word" record featuring among other things, some guy yelling at his uh.... dark-hued workers to load the ship, tote that bail etc. (And yes Citizen Kafka, it's yours if I could figure out some way of sending it without breaking it...) Most of the cylinders I've heard were popular songs of the day that people would otherwise sit around the player piano singing. I don't know the history of "exotica" as we view it here but I always assumed it was coincidental with the entry of Hawaii into the U.S. I don't think the use of "Hawaiian instruments" has anything to do with the introduction of exotica. In fact, someone who knows more than me can probably tell you that what you're calling "Hawaiian" instruments were not really Hawaiian at all. Those sounds were part of the hillbilly, stringband and early "blues" traditions. I don't think they got them from Hawaii. It was much more a cross fertilization thing. Then there's the fact that so many of our "Hawaiian" LP's were made in Nashville by country musicians. The sound was something they could easily reproduce because it was already a part of their traditional vocabulary. And I believe Hawaiians adopted some of those instruments and sounds, influenced by the mainland and not vice versa. I have some Cliff Carlyle 78's as well as some stuff on CD compilation. He made and sold so many records that he's still pretty easy to find on 78. Apparently he copied any number of styles in order to sell records but basically I think of him as an early "country folk" artist and the so-called Hawaiian sounds on the records are just old stringband sounds. It would be helpful if I read something rather than relying on the impressions I get from my own limited record collection but I think there was some truth in there. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #538 *****************************