From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #595 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Thursday, January 13 2000 Volume 02 : Number 595 In This Digest: (exotica) [obit] George Elrick Re: (exotica) This Week on the Digitizing Block: Mauriat Re: (exotica) Already Found Samples Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? enuff already. Re: (exotica) Re: Sway (exotica) Ain't life grand? Re: (exotica) Already Found Samples Re: (exotica) Educational Copyright Re: (exotica) This Week on the Digitizing Block: Mauriat (exotica) obits Re: (exotica) Already Found Samples (exotica) copyright again RE: (exotica) CD Burners Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Re: (exotica) Dean Elliott - Tom & Jerry Re: (exotica) Esquivel First (exotica) Records Re: (exotica) Bring Jack Back (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #587 Re: (exotica) Records Re: (exotica) copyright again Re: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Re: (exotica) copyright again Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? (exotica) Wimoweh (exotica) Mary Jane (exotica) Lunchtime scores Re: (exotica) Mary Jane Re: (exotica) Mary Jane (exotica) Pascal Comelade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:10:54 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit] George Elrick Maybe it would help if I had more relevant obits from the UK! - -Lou Saturday 8 January 2000 George Elrick Housewives' Choice presenter who always hummed along with the theme tune. GEORGE ELRICK, who has died aged 95, was a popular bandleader and singer of the 1930s; after the war he became known to millions of Light Programme listeners through Housewives' Choice, which he presented for 21 years. Full obit at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000659276559150&rtmo=LbiSSx7d&atmo=rrrrrb2q&pg=/et/00/1/8/ebelri08.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:19:45 -0500 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) This Week on the Digitizing Block: Mauriat At 03:02 PM 1/12/00 EST, Thinkmatic@aol.com wrote: > >For no particular reason this week I just digitized with minor restoration: > >"The Soul of Paul Mauriat" & "Mauriat Magic" Paul Mauriat was way way better than I thought he was before I started buying records like those you mention here, especially "The Soul" with its great version of "you keep me hangin on". And that woman on the cover of "Magic" has a lovely stomach. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:31:10 -0500 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Already Found Samples At 12:50 PM -0500 1/12/00, Peter Risser wrote: >But that arguement falls apart when you are going out >of your way to find super obscure stuff to sample that >barely anyone has ever heard. At that point, I've >always wondered, why not just play it yourself. I >mean, you could even sample yourself playing it. I think for the most part - - they can't. They're not really musicians, in the traditional sense. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:29:19 -0500 From: Bump Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? enuff already. i hate to involve myself in this redundant arguement again. but i gotta stand up for what i believe in. this seems like an annual arguement. or should i say "anal" arguement. counting emails???? come on now. surely you have better things to do. lou's death list has already been argued and agreed upon that while it is not everyones cup of poison, it is certainly welcomed to be offered on this list. (hence his use of OBIT) use your delete finger or start a petition to not have to pay for downloading email...or demand some sort of filter that does not download email from people you do not want it from. do you get SPAM? and do you complain about downloading it as vigorously as downloading lou's? if you appreciate anything besides exotica music at have some appreciation for those recently passed on, who have blessed us with there presence and influence, making at least my life, a richer one. i would never know about these events any other way since i do not read the news "propaganda" papers. if you have not heard of these people maybe you should, you might learn something. do a search. long live death thanks again lou. if you even bother to read this ridiculous flaming thread. stop bickering and face it...you die. ******************************** Bump Universal DJ Defective Records bumpy@megsinet.net http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:40:20 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Sway For whatever it's worth, in a music book here "Sway (Quien Sera)" is credited thus: English Words and Music by Norman Gimbel Spanish Words by Pablo Beltran Ruiz Copyright 1954 by Peer International Corporation Copyright Renewed copyright revoked, m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:51:41 +1100 From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" Subject: (exotica) Ain't life grand? I don't know the percentage of list members who get this in digest form, but I have to say, the last digest was worthy of Buster Keaton's most deadpan gag. The whole thing was pocked with battles over Lou's obits, albeit mostly good natured. Reading like any good novel worth its salt, Lou's epic obit of the english coctail pianist delivered the coup-de-grace. Death always wins in the end. "Look all your life in a mirror and you will see Death working like bees in a glass hive." --Jean Cocteau ******************************* http://www.lobue-art.com The Artwork and Workshops of Keith E. Lo Bue ******************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:48:40 -0500 From: Bump Subject: Re: (exotica) Already Found Samples thanx bro. that is why i do it... i can't play it! i am not a musician but i can cut and paste sounds (at least i am trying to). i do not go out of my way to sample things i think no one has heard. i just sample what i like from whatever source. although i have sampled myself flirting with a bass and technically i guess when you record midi notes of a sample, you are playing it. i have always thought of sample based music as sound collages and therefore samples should never be thought of as illegal or infringing copyrights? i am not sure but have any Photo Collage artists been sued by owners of the original photographs? Christ, the Dadaists would never have been able to make art. the only grey area in this arguement is the use of blatently "HIT" material in no other way than to remind you of the original. ie. Vanilla Ice, DJ Kool, Digital Underground, Hammer to me this is a "moral" or ethical issue. are you mostly an artist or a businessman? >>But that arguement falls apart when you are going out >>of your way to find super obscure stuff to sample that >>barely anyone has ever heard. At that point, I've >>always wondered, why not just play it yourself. I >>mean, you could even sample yourself playing it. > >I think for the most part - - they can't. They're not really musicians, in >the traditional sense. > >br cleve ******************************** Bump Universal DJ Defective Records bumpy@megsinet.net http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:58:36 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: (exotica) Educational Copyright >coursepacks...and they were sued and lost the case. Still, limited >distribution for classes is still done, still legal as far as I know. The The only classroom fair use exception I've ever heard about is for material used in a face to face teaching situation such as film and music presentations, and I understand that even this can be a bit iffy. This doesn't apply to copying (of anything: printed materials, videos, music); fair use would cover limited personal copying for scholarly purposes but not then passing that along to your students (or friends). Distribution of photocopied material for classes is still done and on a very wide scale but in each case there's been a clearance and royalties paid. In fact most universities have contracts with companies that do this full-time (Kinkos pretty much refuses to do this anymore even with clearances). Whether you're charging doesn't matter for copyright infringement issues. (And for what it matters I'm not a lawyer either but I do have a law degree with an emphasis on intellectual property and have spent almost 15 years in the publishing and book business, and working for a major cable network.) But you're right about this being far from music: one reason I periodically sign off Exotica is the sheer amount of mere chatter & I'm afraid this only adds to it. LT Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm Funhouse http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/funhouse.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:40:26 EST From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) This Week on the Digitizing Block: Mauriat In a message dated 01/12/2000 7:15:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, bruno@yhammer.com writes: << Paul Mauriat was way way better than I thought he was before I started buying records like those you mention here, especially "The Soul" with its great version of "you keep me hangin on". >> Yes, "You Keep Me Hanging On" is the one true killer track on the CD. The strings threw me when I first casually listened to Mauriat. I kind of dismissed it as cheesy easy listening, but "Soul..." has a very nice complex texture to it. "Mauriat Magic", is by no means as interesting as, "Soul.." but it still has the occasional subtle weirdness going on under the surface of it's easy listening surface. Nat, are there any other Mauriat tunes that you like? - -Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:00:31 -0800 From: "claudia" Subject: (exotica) obits I have to put in my 2 cents. I just love this list. Music and The Portland Trailblazers are my passion. And I don't mind the obits at all. I find them all quite interesting. As far as I am concerned,I would miss them if they were not there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:59:06 EST From: Thinkmatic@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Already Found Samples In a message dated 01/12/2000 7:56:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, bumpy@megsinet.net writes: << that is why i do it... i can't play it! i am not a musician but i can cut and paste sounds (at least i am trying to). >> Same for me. I love music, but I've never had the discipline to learn to play. So at least sampling allows me to mess around with music. Hell, putting together small original midi riffs has taught me a couple of piano cords. It's a start, soon I'll be able to play chopsticks on a Fisher Price xylophone. Hot shit. Later, - -Roy "When I die, I want to go as my grandfather did: quietly, peacefully in his sleep. Not like his passengers." - -author unknown # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:13:11 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) copyright again On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:56:48 -0500, Will Straw wrote: >I'm no expert on this, and the differences between Canada and the U.S. are significant, but fair use of copyrighted materials is more firmly implanted in law in the U.S. than it is here. In the U.S, unless I'm misinformed, you can show films and play music in classes if it's for educational purposes. Here, you're still supposed to rent copies from places specializing in educational use, and to pay the extra "performance" rental which such places charge. Technically, I shouldn't even play music in class, since that constitutes a public performance. You are misinformed...there is no exemption for educational use of films, video, plays, or music in the U.S. >At the university where I worked prior to this one, I taught Film Studies, and we faced a market in which we were supposed to keep renting deteriorating 16mm prints. So we'd rent a number of films every year to keep the heat off, then show videotapes or discs the rest of the time. As well, we had a list of 16mm and 35mm prints we held secretly, which we'd exchange with other departments who promised to keep quiet about it. than here. One of my colleagues bought most of these from people in Martin Scorcese's circle. The same practices go on here, though most places are content to show video. This can be done "legitimately" by renting/leasing expensive tapes from the non-theatrical film distributors who are letting their 16mm libraries go to hell, or by renting them for $2.00 at a video store (which is not legal for public performance). >My understanding of educational fair use is that it's less about something being a "personal" copy than about a social recognition of the value of things being available for analysis and criticism. Still, when friends of mine have tried to publish books analysing songs by the Rolling Stones (yeah, well . . .) they've been threatened with suits, as if the presence of 8 lines of Satisfaction in a $30 academic book will cut into sales of Stones sheet music. Well there you have it...just because something makes sense doesn't mean the law agrees with logic. Though the copyright owners and distributors who make their main profit from the educational sector might have their own logic here. Some book publishers charge a higher price to libraries than to individuals, despite there being no legal grounds for this. But the "public performance" nature of showing films and playing music is clearly defined by law, and prohibited without special license from the publisher. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:20:58 -0800 From: "Mayhue, Wade" Subject: RE: (exotica) CD Burners Josh and Brett are both correct in their observations about copying CDs using a computer-based CD burner -- it's fairly easy and fast whether you're using Mac or PC. It becomes more complicated when you're talking about copying *vinyl LPs* (i.e., you have to save all tracks as audio files on your hard drive before burning), which is the point I was trying to make. When you've got a ton of vinyl that you want to burn onto CD, the home system component burners are vastly easier to use. - --Wade - -----Original Message----- From: Josh Renaud [mailto:josh@jabscoinc.com] <> - -----Original Message----- From: Brett Leveridge [mailto:brett@echonyc.com] <> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:38:17 -0700 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 04:36:16PM -0500, Josh Renaud wrote: > I'd rather not contribute much more to this debate so I'll just finish with > this. Regardless of what our opinions are, the fact is, 99% of the posts are > on-topic, and the off-topic posts are almost always of interest to some of > the members here. That being the case, Lou's occasional off-topic posts are > hardly a big deal. Every time this discussion comes up I root back through the last month or so's obits and come to the same conclusion. I think Lou's making generally good judgement calls with what he passes along here -- most of the obits are well within the normal topic variance for the list and the most of the rest have a measurable (if sometimes tenuous) connection so I have no problem with it. There's far more time and list bandwidth wasted on grousing over the occasional clunker than there is wasted by the clunkers themselves! - -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24/7 music from the Nibble vaults! - http://www.studio-nibble.com/audio -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:58:51 -0700 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) Dean Elliott - Tom & Jerry On Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 10:42:28PM -0500, m.ace wrote: > Probably not news, but I just caught a Tom & Jerry cartoon (Chuck Jones > era, and even more sadistic than usual) with music credited to Dean > Elliott. I saw an episode of "CHiPs" a while back with music credited to Robert Drasnin...though looking him up in the IMDB made that feel less special! - -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24/7 music from the Nibble vaults! - http://www.studio-nibble.com/audio -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:11:20 -0700 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) Esquivel First On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 10:56:51AM -0500, Rajnai, Charles, NNAD wrote: > I am about to (finally) buy my first Esquivel Cd rerelease, but with all the > conversation, can't decide which one to get. I like his stereo-experimental > stuff, the more rambunktious percussive instrumentals. Any words would be > helpful, I want to do this today.... Oh, it's not today anymore, but "More Of Other Worlds, Other Sounds" is one of the best-sounding CDs I own, period... - -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24/7 music from the Nibble vaults! - http://www.studio-nibble.com/audio -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:15:18 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Records Today's finds (All Vinyl) Kai Winding Suspense Themes In Jazz (Verve) Kai Winding More (arr by Claus Ogerman) a "surf" LP George Shearing Mood Latino (Capitol) George Shearing Latin Affair (Capitol) Duane Eddy Especially For You (Jamie) Duane Eddy Have Twangy Guitar, Will Travel (Jamie) Earl Bostic The Greatest Hits of 1964 (King) Jimmy McGriff Topkapi (Sue) Vincent Bell Pop Goes The Electric Sitar (Decca) Mandingo Sacrifice (?) Pretty Purdie Soul Drums (Date) Le Hammond Inferno Margret Evening (12") Maxwell Implosion Psychochutney (12") ..................................Its a great life.....Jimmy Botticelli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:39:04 -0700 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring Jack Back On Tue, Jan 04, 2000 at 01:50:13PM -0800, Ron Grandia wrote: > Jack once commented that he though he was barred from the list - Is this the > case? Nope. I asked him not to post for a period back in '97 after I thought his ads were getting way too repetitive, but that's the only time anything like that has happened that I can recall. - -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24/7 music from the Nibble vaults! - http://www.studio-nibble.com/audio -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:46:06 -0500 From: brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca Subject: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #587 I'll take the bait on this one Nat: > > So I think moving > >forward, going ahead and combining elements to create new music is a good > >thing. My ears just have to let it in. > I think one reason I don't listen to much of this "new" music is because I > haven't really heard much that sounds like it was made in that spirit.... > You don't get chunks of sampled riffs; all you get are blips and > bleeps in the midst of beats. So if anyone would like to guess what I'm > referring to and to provide a nice list of stuff I would be happy with, I'd be > happy with that. I think I know what you mean. Maybe the best example is that piece on Electronic Lounge that relies heavily on the Yma Sumac clip to make it recognizeable, and while fun, just doesn't last multiple listenings. I could add that the whole remix concept has probably not helped things much as I was beginning to feel at one point that this was simply a way to avoid the need to create new. Also, it is hard to be true to the spirit of another era yet still include something of the present. All in all a big challenge. This being said, I think it is certainly possible and you have to look no further than Combustible Edison to see some of the best and most original examples of how to make this idea work. This should be the working standard of what to strive for and its been some time since I could say anything has matched this standard. I was excited about a few recent finds and I think if you listen to The Bobby Hughes Experience, Mo'Horizons, Rainer Truby Trio (and a few more I've yet to find) you may, as I was, be pleasantly surprised at what is possible! the fact that these recommendations were confirmed by Br Cleve (with a few more additions) should be enough to make you stop and think... Of course I could be misreading your comments but hows about I send you a tape to get your opinion. Of course you may never forgive me if you like it but... I have Will listening to The Bobby Hughes Experience this weekend so we'll see what he thinks as well. > I think the other reason I don't buy many of them is because basically > there are a couple of stores here who carry stuff like that and if I wanted > them, the process would involve going to those stores weekly and asking > "You got any more of that stuff you know I like?" Or frequenting CDNow. I remember trying out a few of those techno stores, oh you know them... every city has them; Lots of turntables/vinyl, most of their stock on the wall and everyone in the place (staff and clients) up on exactly what is the latest thing in the London/NY/etc. clubs and little else beyond. I usually began by asking about some of the new electronic things I'd heard, mainly on the A-Musik label as no other stores around seemed to be getting them All I got was blank looks and a typical "what classification is it"? thrown back at me. I politelty would say elecronic but it wasn't enough. At that point they would either ask me more to be certain they weren't maybe falling behind and missing out on a new thing, or else they tried to sell me something else. Needless to say, I haven't gone near these kind of places since, and I'm certain things have not xhanged!> I used to be like that but I haven't been for a while. Maybe when I get > busier and richer - will this be the year?? - I'll move to that method of > acquisition. > Does anyone have some kinda explanation for this Now Sound/ E-Z soundtrack > sampling phenomenon? (It's probably not as big as it seems to someone who > doesn't pay that much attention to it.) > > It IS curious though, I must say. I hate to bring up "postmodernism" or > Tarantino or Eno or Burroughs' cut-up technique or something about baby > boomers but I just find it really really strange that this is happening. > > I'll leave y'all alone for the weekend now. > > Nat > Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:07:39 +0000 From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Records When you say 'today's finds', how much did you pay for them? And are they originals? Mandingo Sacrifice (?) Pretty Purdie Soul Drums (Date) Wow! Charlie +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:29:35 +0100 From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (exotica) copyright again >>My understanding of educational fair use is that it's less about something >being a "personal" copy than about a social recognition of the value of >things being available for analysis and criticism. Still, when friends of >mine >have tried to publish books analysing songs by the Rolling Stones (yeah, >well . . .) >they've been threatened with suits, as if the presence of 8 lines of >Satisfaction in a >$30 academic book will cut into sales of Stones sheet music. IMHO that is just because the Stones' (or better: their ex-manager, their publishers and other people linked to them) are greedy bastards. The Verve had to give them 100% of copyright of "Bitter Sweet Symphony", which is an entirely original song (bass, guitar, drums, lyrics) incorporating a sample of AN ORCHESTRAL COVER (not the original!!) of a Stones song... no wonder someone tried to sue your friends... bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista "Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief" (Bono) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:34:16 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Sent to Lou, CC'd to the list: But the list isn't for mid-century American cultural studies! Its for exotica. To take the attitude that one can post anything to the list as long as you put an identifying word in the title is not right. I might think that the film I went to see last night, new pair of trainers I just bought or the highest score on the pinball machine in my local pub are interesting and enlightening subjects that I'd like to share with the list. Quite often, I will think of something that may further listees knowledge, or that I feel that I should share with people but then I have to think of the point of the exotica list. It isn't a forum for me to tell you all about my life, my interests or my opinions. It is a discussion about exotica. Just because I find something interesting, doesn't mean that everybody else will and so sometimes, I have to decide to not post. Imagine if I took a keen interest in Chicago house music and regularly posted to the list about the subject. By your reasoning, as long as I put 'Chicago' in the subject line, people could delete it if they wanted and therefore there would be no problem. But that IS NOT what the list is for. Everybody who contributes to the list (and everybody who contributes to the seven or so other lists that I'm subscribed to) manages to contribute on-topic posts. I don't have a problem with your obituaries as a rule - Bob McFadden is a perfect example of a relevant obit but it seems that you have a fixation. Your hobby is not necessarily my hobby so please try to keep it exotica. Thanks Charlie charles_moseley +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:35:37 +0100 From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (exotica) copyright again >>My understanding of educational fair use is that it's less about something >being a "personal" copy than about a social recognition of the value of >things being available for analysis and criticism. Still, when friends of >mine >have tried to publish books analysing songs by the Rolling Stones (yeah, >well . . .) >they've been threatened with suits, as if the presence of 8 lines of >Satisfaction in a >$30 academic book will cut into sales of Stones sheet music. IMHO that is just because the Stones' (or better: their ex-manager, their publishers and other people linked to them) are greedy bastards. The Verve had to give them 100% of copyright of "Bitter Sweet Symphony", which is an entirely original song (bass, guitar, drums, lyrics) incorporating a sample of AN ORCHESTRAL COVER (not the original!!) of a Stones song... no wonder someone tried to sue your friends... bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista "Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief" (Bono) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:41:17 +0000 From: Robbie Baldock Subject: Re: (exotica) ha-ha or peculiar? Charles_Moseley/LON/Europe/MCKINSEY-EXTERNAL@MCKINSEY.COM wrote: > Sent to Lou, CC'd to the list: How eloquently put. Robbie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:42:38 +0100 From: Nicola Battista Subject: (exotica) Wimoweh all this reminds me that I have a few unsold items that will have to put back on ebay soon. And one of them is an italian Wimoweh with (I think) nonsense/scat lyrics... bye, Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista "Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief" (Bono) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 03:26:59 PST From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Mary Jane When you get a kiss from mary jane and she tells you Hej då (good bye), is that good or bad? i feel terrific, by brain and I isnt in conflict anymore, I am new born (16 dec 99). that girl nearly drove me mad, but I miss that spacegirl anyway. But... Can I conquer the world without her? Magnus ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:24:35 +0000 From: Subject: (exotica) Lunchtime scores Just found: Game of Death lp - John Barry soundtrack to a Bruce Lee film supposed to be excellent - reissue Blacula lp - Gene Page - Been around for a while but I finally bothered to buy a copy. Blaxploitation funk soundtrack reissue Self Preservation bootleg - Bootleg culture in London has hit an all time high - This one is Fat Boy Slim-esq breakbeats with The Self Preservation Society from The Italian Job over the top! Thats it Charlie charles_moseley +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message may contain confidential and/or privileged | | information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to | | receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, | | disclose or take any action based on this message or any | | information herein. If you have received this message in | | error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail | | and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:16:09 PST From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Mary Jane Have you given up? Yes, in june, but the effects lasted until some weeks ago. will probably get back to it soon. I got what i wanted, after some real hell (otherwordly pain that would have killed anyone believe me) i was forgiven by the powers (tiki? God? Nature? Nameless?) for my evil acts against animals when I was a kid. I got 50 wishes, so when I go I will have a whole new planet for my self, and a recordplayer and my records, yes that was one wish ;) My woman will be there to. At last something to dream about on those lonely nights in bed. Oh, one other wish was an own planet for every other man or woman off the earth. Now believe this! Old blue eyes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:16:10 PST From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Mary Jane Have you given up? Yes, in june, but the effects lasted until some weeks ago. will probably get back to it soon. I got what i wanted, after some real hell (otherwordly pain that would have killed anyone believe me) i was forgiven by the powers (tiki? God? Nature? Nameless?) for my evil acts against animals when I was a kid. I got 50 wishes, so when I go I will have a whole new planet for my self, and a recordplayer and my records, yes that was one wish ;) My woman will be there to. At last something to dream about on those lonely nights in bed. Oh, one other wish was an own planet for every other man or woman off the earth. Now believe this! Old blue eyes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:56:08 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Pascal Comelade I've seen 3 cheap used CDs by Pascal Comelade in my local LP/CD shop. I only recognize the name from it having come up on the list some time in the past, but I don't remember the context (where's that archive search engine when ya need it?). Can someone give me the skinny on him/them? Should I grab any/all of those CDs? Sorry, don't remember their titles -- "33 Bars" may have been one. Thanks! Lou lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #595 *****************************