From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #833 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 02 : Number 833 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD Re: (exotica) Frames for your records. Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! Re: (exotica) Totally Stupid Request Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! Re: (exotica) Sony SACD Re: (exotica) Bollywood voices and locations (exotica) Bollywood Orchestra Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! Re: (exotica) Sony SACD (exotica) soul tune Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! RE: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! (exotica) Seksu Roba Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba (exotica) CD Burning Longevity and Accuracy (exotica) CD Longevity (exotica) i am so disappointed in you people (exotica) More geeky stuff (exotica) [obits] a whole bunch of ... (exotica) Young at Heart Chorus (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, November 5 Re: (exotica) EXOTICA-ADORING THE ENEMY Re: (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:26:43 -0500 From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD > If a digital copy is an exact copy, what difference does it make if the > "data" is brought in as analog information or digital information? If you > know what I mean... If you run it via analog channels you are introducing noise. Line hum, interference, and such. If you make a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy via analog means, it degrades, like a photocopy of a photocopy. Sure, it takes a while, but it's not "perfect". But digital, you can copy over and over on down the line with no degradation. It's not entirely true, as I don't think ripping is perfect and a rip of a rip of a rip stands a good chance of introducing digital artifact (which is uglier than analog), but theoretically, it can go on forever with no degradation. Such is the theory. I think. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:30:28 -0500 From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: (exotica) Frames for your records. Restoration Hardware has nice ones too, but they aren't cheap. I think the site is like www.restorationhardware.com or something like that. ALso, they have stores. And a catalog. It's true. I swear. There shit is cool. I could easily outfit my house from their catalogs. Peter > In a message dated 11/2/0 1:47:51 PM, jane.murray@maclaren.com wrote: > > >Does anyone in the Ontario or Michigan area know where I can pick up picture > >frames that are designed to slip your records into so you can hang your > >favourites on the wall without damaging them? > > Bags Unlimited sells inexpensive shiny plastic easy-to-use LP cover frames. > They take out an ad in Discoveries and Goldmine every issue. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:32:48 -0500 From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! > If a laser reads digital information and nothing actually touches anything, > how can anything wear out? Does it have a self-destruct chip encoded in > it? "It kills itself before it's five"? It's hard to believe that the > record companies have been pressing the best quality CD's available and I > haven't heard any reports of them wearing out so why should it be so for > these ones which are probably more expensive than those? > Go ahead. Burst my bubble. They oxidize. Dunno how exactly, but the shit just chemicalizes itself out. The real dirty secret is that all your aluminum CDs in your collection will rot eventually too. I heard about 50 years. Have fun! Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:36:58 -0500 From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: (exotica) Totally Stupid Request Y'all are indeed life savers. My son somehow picked this tune up and sings it to my baby girl. "Li-ly, li-li-li-li-li-ly..." And I had to know where and when. Thanks! (and thanks Napster for the verification!) Peter > In a message dated 11/2/0 9:29:57 PM, risser@cinci.rr.com wrote: > > >It's alright... alright girl, > >yeah, it's alright... alright girl > >bum bum... bum bum-a-dum, bum bum... bum bum-a-dum... > > Mah Brutha--you be speakin' 'bout JJ Jackson and his jam "But Its Alright" > (1966) a big ol' fuckin' hit # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:17:08 -0500 From: Ross Orr Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! Brian wrote: >this guy proceeded to tell me about my burns wearing out. >And that I should be only buying expensive Gold CDrs that will last 15 years >instead of 2 or 3 with the other colors. It's still early in this new phase >of recording to test old versus new. >What's anyone know about this???? Oh no--you're going to make me rant TWICE IN ONE DAY! Aaaaagh!!! It's just that I keep hearing all this weird folklore and misinformation about different CD colors. . . CDs are read by a laser. The laser in audio CD players uses a single wavelength of light which is at the *very very very far red* end of the spectrum--where our eyes are barely sensitive at all. Therefore, the fact that one CD looks light and another looks dark, and one looks gold and another looks blue, DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL. Seriously. You can't tell just by looking how reflective the CD will be to that far-red wavelength of light, because it's a color that your eye doesn't see. See? CDs have a mirrorlike metal coating which bounces the laser beam back into the pickup lens. In a manufactured CD, microscopic bumps are pressed into the plastic, which scatter the laser light at that point, instead of bouncing it back, so you get a drop in brightness there. With CR-Rs, instead of bumps, your CD burner scorches or blisters a dye layer that is in front of the metallic layer--but the effect is the same, a drop in brightness of the reflected beam. Within limits, your player adjusts to the overall brightness of the reflected light, and all that really matters is that there is adequate contrast between the darker bumps or spots and the brighter "lands." If there is, the CD can be played. (When I say "within limits," I mean that eventually you WILL come across some combination of burner, blank and player that just won't work together. In that case somehow the lands ended up too dim, or the pits were too faint, or the contrast was too low for the particular needs of that player.) Now for a CD to "go bad" after a certain amount of time, either the reflective layer would have to stop reflecting light, or else the pits would have to fade away somehow, so that the contrast between light and dark got too feeble. With manufactured music CDs, the pits are a physical feature which are never going to go anywhere. There has been some concern that aluminum reflective backings might oxidize over time, and get kind of milky instead of mirrorlike. That's the theory behind using a gold backing instead, which is more chemically stable. However silver CDs seem to have held up OK over the last 15 years, so who knows. If a manufactured CD suddenly goes bad, it's just as likely that it picked up a scratch in the Table of Contents area near the spindle. Then, the player can't even tell if Track 1 exists or anything. . . so it's unplayable. With CD-Rs, there is definitely a lot of variation between batches of blanks in the chemistry of the dye layer. One type of dyes looks blue to your eye (or green against a gold backing); the other is more pale greenish yellow. High quality blanks can use either technology. The manufacturer also has to make a tradeoff on how dense to make the dye layer: Enough to leave a dark pit, but not so much that it cuts light transmission from the reflective backing. All these formulations have to get re-adjusted as faster burner speeds become available. And so on. Unfortunately, there is just no simplistic way to tell which blanks are the best by looking at them. Now, I'd always assumed that after you've burned a CD, the pits in the dye layer would get carbonized enough that they should stay pretty light-fast after that. (That's the official party line anyway--that a burnt CD should last for decades.) I suppose it is possible that burned pits might fade, if the dye layer was was particularly low quality. But that would have nothing to do with whether the backing was silver or gold. (However that is a reason for sticking with good-quality blanks from companies with a decent track record.) On the other hand, the dye in *unused* blank CDs could go bad eventually--just like other dyes can fade. So you probably want to keep unused blanks in a cool dark place, and try to use them up within a year or two. Sorry, did this help anyone? cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:55:45 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD Ross Orr schrieb: > the idea that either of these formats will provide any > significant benefits to us, the music-buying public, is a complete fraud. > > Is there any psychoacoustic justification for this? No. Unless the gen tech laboratories of Sony work on an update version of the human hearing sytem, like Ears 2.0 ;-) Or if you want to record bat voices... Thanks for those amazing and informatory articles, Ross. Helped a lot to understand what's going on under the surface of the shimmy disc... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:57:16 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Bollywood voices and locations Lang Thompson schrieb: > She said that all Indian >films follow three basic story lines > Maybe this was meant as a joke but possibly some unsuspecting readers might > take it for truth when it's not. Indian films run a wide range of genres A stereotype of the It's a small world type of course, but the way she told it, was really funny. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:00:41 -0000 From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Bollywood Orchestra I saw that the Bollywood Orchestra are playing at the Queen Elizabeth hall (I think South Bank anyway) in London. On the 18th of November. I'm not too sure of the details as I saw the date and realised I couldn't make it. I can't go as I've got a gig DJing in the nearest Brighton has to a Tiki bar, the Bali Brasserie. At last. I've been dying for this since I went there for my birthday last year. Its a great place, on the ground floor of an old peoples block of flats. I've heard that occasionally the staff wear grass skirts. Its normally an office party kind of place that plays pretty poor pop, but the event I'm playing is for a local performance art group, so its Exotica, and drums. I'm so looking forward to this. But I'm disappointed about missing the Bollywood Orchestra, I assume its the same outfit that put out the 12 that Rob McKenna was raving about a couple of months ago. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ Spunky Misunderstood Genius # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:10:52 -0500 From: "Telstar" Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! Larson/Thomas wrote: > I've probably bought 700-800 CDs since the late 1980s. I've had a few that > never played at all and I took them back to the store, but I've never had > one "wear out." Never. So I think the concern over the factory-produced > produced CDs may be misguided (said with fingers crossed). I haven't heard of a cd wearing out, but some British-made cds are subject to "bronzing", known to some as "disc-rot" (these were manufactured by PDO in the early to mid eighties). I have at least one unplayable one, with others taking on an unhealthy colour. A shame really, as these would include some of my favourite Nurse With Wound & Joe Meek cds, none of which were cheap. Allan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:16:52 -0500 From: itsvern@ibm.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD > We are not bats, and our high-frequency hearing tends to drop off > pretty severely above 18 kHz > Is there any psychoacoustic justification for this? Perhaps the audio range of canaries is much greater than humans. A whole new generation of 'Teach Your Canary to Sing' CDs may be arriving soon which will actually allow canaries to reach the full range of their chirpy language, rather than the truncated version that humans have foisted on them. Better yet, perhaps those new enhanced Martin Denny CDs will be result in a much livlier listening experience. Those added frequency range might allow many other animal species to appreciate his music, and they will be so pleased that they will start singing along in your home environment, just as they did for Martin Denny in that Hawaiaan nightclub when the bullfrogs joined in. or maybe the record companies are slowly being taken over by aliens as in 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' with their main mission to ensure there's a readily available of 'extra-range' CDs already on Earth when the invading hourdes with advanced hearing capabilities arrive in full force. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:41:06 +0000 From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) soul tune > Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:21:08 -0500 > From: "Risser Family" > Subject: (exotica) Totally Stupid Request > > It's alright... alright girl, > yeah, it's alright... alright girl > bum bum... bum bum-a-dum, bum bum... bum bum-a-dum... May it be J.J. Jackson's "But It's Allright"? Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:47:21 -0500 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! Okay, I don't know about the color scheme idea as far as "wearing out = goes"......but I did notice a blurb on a CDR cover that mentioned = something like "100 hours of play in direct sunlight exposure!"=20 This leads me to believe that exposing the surface to sunlight continually = (say, in your car) would bleach out the color thus making it impossible = for the laser to read the CD? Sound plausible? - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:22:44 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Telstar > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:11 AM > I haven't heard of a cd wearing out, but some British-made cds are subject > to "bronzing", known to some as "disc-rot" (these were manufactured by PDO > in the early to mid eighties). I was about to post on this very subject. Anyway, see the website: http://www.brainwashed.com/c93/discog/discrot.html I have some Current 93 CDs that look pretty discolored to me... Later, Ben np: lull, "continue" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Seksu Roba I played Seksu Roba for the first time today and I was impressed. The combination of the samples on some of the songs had a great eerie outer space feel. Made me think of Disney and Space Mountain. Some of the songs were tipsyish, a very high compliment, and the last song was down right psychedelic. I was most impressed with the combination and choice of samples. This is one cool cd with some eerie spooky outer space sounds. Its fun to try and guess where the samples come form. Our own Kevin Lee, who is also the founder of popnouveau is 50 percent of Seksu Roba. I've met Kevin when I was out in LA and he is one cool cat with a true exotica feel. I would hope Kevin would share some insight into the making of this cd and the possibility of a second release?? Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:17:50 GMT From: "james brouwer" Subject: Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba I second Chuck's recommendation. Seksu Roba are doing some really fine work on this CD - not-too-obvious samples, put in the right spots, with fine grooves, rounded out by a lush, druggy, and exotic atmosphere. Though they're not identical, if you like Tipsy you'll definitely definitely like this. that's my two-cents, jbrouwer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:40:08 -0500 From: Bump Subject: Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba perfect intro to my first listening as i just recieved it today from dusty groove. thanx for getting my appetite WETTER! ooooo baby. not to mention the great cover art. bump aka the controller >I played Seksu Roba for the first time today and I was impressed. >The combination of the samples on some of the songs had a great >eerie outer space feel. Made me think of Disney and Space >Mountain. Some of the songs were tipsyish, a very high compliment, >and the last song was down right psychedelic. I was most >impressed with the combination and choice of samples. This is one >cool cd with some eerie spooky outer space sounds. Its fun to try >and guess where the samples come form. ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ Bump "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer bump@defectiverecords.com http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:54:53 -0800 From: "Stephen W. Worth" Subject: (exotica) CD Burning Longevity and Accuracy exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:49:41 -0800 >From: "Brian Linds" >Subject: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant! > >Hi all. i know a lot of us are burning Cds here and I just had wee little >talk with a guy in one of the huge electronic chains. I usually don't take >too much stock in what they say, but my paranoid little CDr burning mind got >a bit twisted when this guy proceeded to tell me about my burns wearing out. >And that I should be only buying expensive Gold CDrs that will last 15 years >instead of 2 or 3 with the other colors. It's still early in this new phase >of recording to test old versus new. >What's anyone know about this???? - Brian Linds The jury is still out on that. See this page... http://www.mrichter.com/cdr/primer/lifetime.htm I've had suspicions that the rips that I made weren't the same as the original. I did a test today, by taking a track and ripping and burning it ten generations. If you'd like to see what it sounds like, here is a stereo aiff file with one channel being the first generation mono rip, and the other channel being a tenth generation rip: http://www.spumco.com/riptestsegment.aif When I finished ripping and burning, the track ended up being slightly longer than the original. But putting the waveform up in Peak and sliding them back into sync, I can't see a lick of difference. Let me know if you can tell you which channel is which. I won't say until you guess. One thing is clear though. Certain types of CDs have higher error rates with certain types of burners. It seems to vary from brand to brand. I've had a lot of brands give me tons of verification errors when I burn CD ROMs. The brand I've had most luck with on my LaCie 12x burner is Maxell. But there appear to be two types of Maxell disks from different plants. The ones with the solid lines and the granulated surface work better for me than the ones with dotted lines and matte finish surface. Your results may vary though... If you are a technical-head, look at this page... http://www.digido.com/meadows.html It lists different burners and how they react to different types of blanks. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:14:33 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) CD Longevity Now I'm (a little bit) worried. Do CD's have a shelf life? Do they actually at some point "lose" their "information"? What gives? Anyone know? I would be REALLY pissed off if all the CD's I've finagled, swiped and yes, bought since 1993 (the year I finally gave in) were to eventually "fade" to nothingness....Was it all really a rekkid company plot to convert? And are we suckers for buying into it? JB/confused these daze # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:18:06 -0500 From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) i am so disappointed in you people I mean, why do I have to stumble over sites like http://www.funko.com ? Why can't one of you let us know that stuff like this exists? Really, what if I didn't accidentally trip over http://www.funko.com/nodders/tikigod/nodder.htm or http://www.funko.com/funkotiki/index.htm ? Can't I count on a "head's-up" from anyone here?? - -ls # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:23:44 -0500 From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) More geeky stuff Mo wrote: >Helped a lot to >understand what's going on under the surface of the shimmy disc... Glad at least one person's eyes didn't totally glaze over! FYI, this page has a pretty complete description of the SACD format: http://www.superaudio-cd.com/techno.htm Also, thanks Stephen, for posting about your 10-generation experiment--interesting stuff. cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:42:58 -0500 From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] a whole bunch of ... LOS ANGELES (AP) - Animator William T. Hurtz, whose work ranged from assisting on the 1940 movie classic ``Fantasia'' to supervising TV's ``Rocky and Friends'' and directing Cap'n Crunch cereal commercials, died Oct. 14 of heart failure. He was 81. In 1938, he joined the Walt Disney studios, working as Art Babbitt's assistant on the dance of the Chinese mushrooms in ``Fantasia.'' After World War II, Hurtz joined the fledgling UPA studio where he designed the Academy Award-winning short, ``Gerald McBoing-Boing'' (1951). After being promoted to director, he earned Oscar nominations for ``Man Alive!'' (1952), made for the American Cancer Society, and an adaptation of James Thurber's ``The Unicorn in the Garden'' (1953). Hurtz next moved to Shamus Culhane Productions and directed the animation for three films in Frank Capra's ``Bell Science Series'': ``Hemo the Magnificent'' (1956), ``The Strange Case of the Cosmic Rays'' (1957) and ``The Unchained Goddess'' (1957). He joined Jay Ward Productions in 1959 to supervise the early episodes of ``Rocky and Friends.'' He also directed more than 300 Cap'n Crunch cereal commercials. MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Manolo Munoz, a popular Mexican singer accredited as one of the forefathers of modern rock in Spanish, died Sunday from a stroke, family members said. Munoz, 59, was one of a wave of Mexican singers -- including Enrique Guzman, Angelica Maria, Julissa and Cesar Costa -- who in the 1960s brought U.S. rock and roll cover songs to Mexico and re-released them in Spanish. The singer and film-maker released 80 albums in his 42 years in the business and also made three motion pictures, La Edad de la Violencia (The Age of Violence), Todos Somos Cobardes (We are all Cowards), and Juventud Desnuda, or Naked Youth. In 1985 he was awarded the "Virginia Fabregas" award in recognition of his contribution to the arts. Munoz was born on 14 March, 1941 in the state of Jalisco. The S.F. Chronicle reports the passing of Leo V. Killion, a lawyer and songwriter who died last Tuesday at the age of 92 in Mill Valley, California. His main claim to fame is "The Hut Sut Song", a nonsense ditty which became a hit in 1941, performed by Dinah Shore and the Andrews Sisters among others, and is featured in the film "From Here to Eternity". Mr. Killion got the idea for the song as a spoof of Swedish folksongs he heard growing up in Minnesota. As an attorney, he was one of the first advocates of "no fault" insurance in California, and worked as counsel to the California Legislature in the 1940's. William Martin Bennett, drummer for the fabled 1960s rock 'n' roll band Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs that rode the charts with hits like "Wooly Bully" and "Li'l Red Riding Hood," died Wednesday of a heart attack at his Sykesville home. He was 56. Today's online Mirror (UK) says that John Cleese's mother Muriel died a few hours after her 101st birthday party, in Somerset. No further information. Bea Marcus, the commercial actress perhaps best remembered for uttering the line "I've fallen and I can't get up!" in a TV commercial, died Sept. 18 of natural causes in a Portland, Ore., nursing home. She was 88. A former housewife from Queens, New York, she moved to Los Angeles during the 1970s and took up extra work to keep busy. She eventually had speaking parts in numerous films and TV projects including the commercial for "Life Call," the 24-hour emergency medical response system now called "Lifeline Systems." ROME (AP) - Leonardo Benvenuti, one of Italy's most prolific and respected film writers, died Friday of a heart attack at age 77. He died at Rome's San Giacomo hospital, his longtime writing partner, Piero De Bernardi, said. In a career spanning five decades, Benvenuti wrote at least 200 scripts, most of which were made into films. Bernardi said they were working on a new project the day Benvenuti died. Benvenuti's credits include ``Once Upon a Time in America,'' director Sergio Leone's 1984 epic of gangster life in New York's Lower East Side, and ``Marriage Italian Style,'' a spicy 1964 comedy starring Sophia Loren. He also acted in several movies and had given free scriptwriting classes to cinema students in Rome for the last 20 years. Born in Florence in 1923, Benvenuti joined a theater company right after World War II, where, at the urging of some friends he started to write film scripts. His funeral will be Saturday at Rome's Santa Maria del Popolo Church. He is survived by his wife Cristiana Di Vita and two sons, Roberto and Francesco. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:02:54 +0100 From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: (exotica) Young at Heart Chorus Listened to the Worldservice yesterday and they had a piece on this Massachusetts choir, only eligible if you're 70+ apparently. The cover "Lost in the Supermarket" and "Rock the Casbah" by the Clash... Other repertoire include "Ghostriders in the Sky", "Stayin' Alive", "Forever Young" and "I Will Survive", hmmm. On tour in the UK at the moment I believe. Arjan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:11:24 -0600 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour This week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast is a decidedly mixed bag, from newer tunes by Arling and Cameron, Goblin, Project: Pimento and Hollywood Party, to classic tracks by Esquivel, Les Baxter and Enoch Light. Also, songs by Julie London; spy jazz by Steve Allen, Frank Rothman (from the new "Morphine Mambo Jazz Club" CD) and Cal Tjader; Latin spice by Mongo Santamaria, Joe Swingman and Alan Tew; plus a tune from the "Cowboy Bebop" soundtrack (Anybody know this one? It's great!!), and lots more. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour right now on the Web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Or tune in for the live STEREO webcast tonight (Saturday) at 7:00pm Central USA Time: http://kanu.ukans.edu/realaudio/index.htm This week's CD giveaway at the website -- the new "Mannix" CD, featuring Lalo Schifrin and the WDR Big Band. As always, your comments, requests and suggestions are always welcome. Thanks for the space! Darrell Brogdon Program Director KANU Radio Broadcasting Hall The University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045 dbrogdon@ukans.edu http://kanu.ukans.edu Listen to KANU on the Web at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/realaudio/index.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:08:13 +0100 From: ultrasuoni Subject: (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY Hi you all. First of all let me thank all the guys that have purchased my book "Mondo Exotica". Plastic (www.plastic.it) has started to deliver the copies and soon you'll get it. Now my point: don't you think that we ex punks finally managed to come to terms with the enemy, this being all the music/artists that our parents and grandparents used to listen to? When in "The Great Rock'n'Roll Swindle" Sid Vicious executed (by shooting) those middle class penguins while singing "My Way", many of us felt relieved: Sinatra - - and through him our moms and dads, the dominating culture - was blown away forever. Yet, after 25 years we started to adore the Rat Pack and all the Space Age pop stuff and many of us instigated the revival. What happened? We simply came to terms with the enemy, turning it upside down and recontextualizing it a way that suits us (think of the Julie London/Louis Prima remixes, think of techno and drum'n'bass appropriating the mambo etc.). Don't you feel free, at last? francesco adinolfi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:07:53 -0500 From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, November 5 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #116 Duck And Cover This week, some pretty odd cover versions we've just been waiting to play. Very special thanks go out to Gionni, Arjan, Philip, Benito, and Alan for a lot of these songs, which come from ExoticaRing and other compilations. Senor Coconut: Autobahn "El Baile Aleman" Chicks On Speed: Warm Leatherette "Will Save Us All!" Leningrad Cowboys & The Alexandrov Red Army Ensemble: California Girls "Total Balalaika Tour" Johnny Cash: Wer kennt den Weg (I Walk The Line) "Really!! They Sing It In German Vol. 2" Montefiori Cocktail: Theme From Star Wars (Spaghetti Western Version) "Raccolta N. 2" Portsmouth Sinfonia: Telstar "20 Classic Rock Classics" Eilart Pilarm: Hound Dog "Eilart Is Back" Anton LaVey: Honolulu Baby "Satan Takes A Holiday" Xavier Cugat: Mellow Yellow "The Range Of Now" Xylos Inc.: Walk On By "The Range Of Now" Joe Scott: Born To Be Wild "The Range Of Now" T. Bones: Satisfaction "The Range Of Now" Florian Zabach: Music To Watch Girls By "The Range Of Now" Buddy Morrow: She Loves You "The Range Of Now" Hollywood Studio Orchestra: The Pink Panther Theme "Ultra Lounge Cocktail Capers" Balsara & His Singing Sitars: These Boots Are Made For Walking "Great International Hits" Mrs. Miller: Up Up And Away "The Turned On World Of Mrs. Miller" Martin Denny: Love Me Tonight "Exotic Moog" Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening. cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 22:24:05 GMT From: "james brouwer" Subject: Re: (exotica) EXOTICA-ADORING THE ENEMY ultrasuoni wrote: > >Now my point: don't you think that we ex punks finally managed to come >to terms with the enemy, this being all the music/artists that our >parents and grandparents used to listen to? I thought the punk enemy was bombastic stadium cock-rock a la Zeppelin and Frampton; or prog-rock a la Gentle Giant and Yes; or 'introspective' singer-songwriters a la James Taylor; or epic-rock a la Pink Floyd -- we can't forget Johnny Rotten's famous "I Hate" that he jiffy-marked on a 'Dark Side of the Moon' T-shirt, after all. Roger Waters or Frank Sinatra - who'd the punks hate more? Well, I wasn't there. I don't know. Someone else can tell me. What >happened? We simply came to terms with the enemy, turning it upside down >and recontextualizing it a way that suits us Maybe, but a lot of what punks were reacting against, at least musically, weren't "adored", and certainly don't deserve to be. Not all enemies ought to be embraced. I hope I don't have to make friends with James Taylor, Gentle Giant or Peter Frampton. And I hope, in the future, certain enemies will not be re-embraced by pop's avante garde (as if there'll ever be such a thing -- "no future!" indeed): Celine Dion and Moxie Fruvos ought to be enemies for years to come... I hope. it's still just two-cents worth and, incidentally, I don't hate Floyd or Zeppelin. jbrouwer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:45:12 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY At 08:08 PM 11/4/00 +0100, ultrasuoni wrote: > >Now my point: don't you think that we ex punks finally managed to come >to terms with the enemy, this being all the music/artists that our >parents and grandparents used to listen to? Grandparents? I think you've shifted this whole thing a generation or so. It's not a big deal; it doesn't much affect your general theory here. But this feels like some Gen X vs Baby boomer thing. In my mind, if you're an ex punk, that makes you a baby boomer, in which case you don't think of this as your grandparents music. But be that as it may... When in "The Great >Rock'n'Roll Swindle" Sid Vicious executed (by shooting) those middle >class penguins while singing "My Way", many of us felt relieved: Sinatra >- and through him our moms and dads, the dominating culture - was blown >away forever. Hmm. Again, I think we basically agree. But I always thought the Sid Vicious My Way thing was a sendup of punk and of himself, not of Sinatra. Actually I think it's more complicated than that. It's hard to tell what Sid himself thought he was doing there, which is one of the things that always made that whole scene so compelling for me. Then again, I was around 25 at the time. Maybe if I'd been 16, I would have understood more. Yet, after 25 years we started to adore the Rat Pack and >all the Space Age pop stuff and many of us instigated the revival. >What happened? We simply came to terms with the enemy, turning it upside >down and recontextualizing it a way that suits us... If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be calling The Rat Pack and all that "the dominating culture". If that's the theory, I don't see it that way. I grew up in the sixties somewhat frustrated by the apparent stranglehold the Rat Pack and their buddies had on the culture. I liked their movies. I liked their devil-may-care attitude. I just hated their music. And I particularly hated how they put down "my" music. But I don't think they were the dominating culture. I think they were always playing catch-up with the Beatles and the rest of the rock culture. They did everything they could to get back on top but it never could happen. Whenever I put on a crooner LP now, I remember Lionel Cohen, one of my schoolmates who tried to tell us that Sinatra and Tony Bennett were actually great singers when we were obsessed with the Doors or whoever. We just felt sorry for Lionel. And no, I don't think in retrospect that Lionel was cool. He was not cool. He never grew his hair long. I don't even think he smoked dope. He liked his parents' music. That was uncool. And thus it could never be the dominating culture. Now as to how "we" started to like this Rat Pack stuff and all the stuff that surrounded it, like exotica and lounge... I think it has to do with finding out that in a lot of cases, the people you thought were cool, were no cooler than the supposedly uncool. Finding out that the records you loved in the sixties were produced and arranged and created by some of the same people behind the records you hated. It's obviously more complicated than that but if you've seen the rock cycles come around enough times, you start to see behind the curtain. And you begin to see that it's almost all manufactured. So the idea of "rock credibility" is brought into question. And then what's good is good, what you like is what you like. And if Tony Bennett is singing a song you love, that's all there is to it. Then there's the fact that there are way more of these records at the thrift stores than anything else except eighties rock. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #833 *****************************