From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #905 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Friday, March 2 2001 Volume 02 : Number 905 In This Digest: RE: (exotica) April Fools Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree (exotica) 3 gentlemen? Re: (exotica) April Fools Re: (exotica) April Fools Re: (exotica) 3 gentlemen? Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree (exotica) White Goddess and Kapp --add Modern, Kent & Crown Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools Re: (exotica) April Fools Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools (exotica) all gentlemen agree (exotica) Pretentious Fop...? Re: (exotica) all gentlemen agree (exotica) Flute and bongos, nice combination (exotica) April fools gentlemen (exotica) Book of Tiki excised chapters (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report (exotica) LANGUAGE RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500 From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools Speaking of frauds, how about "Lola" by the Kinks? Larry - -----Original Message----- Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he found out to be a fraud? Thanks, Brian Linds # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:56:52 From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree >sounds like trying to blame someone else for one's problems. if it is a >problem for the obsessive collector it is not the seller's fault. what is >the seller supposed to do? set both a reserve low AND high bid????? > >tb > Nah, I'm not blaming the sellers. What I take issue with is this bogus idea - - which ebay promulgates - that as buyers of collectible goods we're supposed to believe that "everybody's a winner on ebay". - -Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:13:28 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Gentlemen! for how long did we not have an "argument" such like this here! Almost forgot how good it feels when the adrenalin concentration rises above the normal level. Ebay again... Have we not been aware of the fact that the "system ebay" means, that the richest guy in the whole wide world gets the record? I must admit I haven't seen it clearly myself in the very beginning. I only saw the advantages for collectors to find a record they wouldn't usually ever see in a shop. But it's a fact. When the price of a record was formerly defined by the average default shop goer, now this customer has to compete with everybody on the planet. It seems like the advantage is clearly on the seller's side (but try to sell a Witney Huston record from 1995, and you will find, that it's still a question of supply and demand). But that the prices for virtually everything would somewhat rise with the ebay system, is that so surprising? Some people just CAN pay hundreds of $$ for records. Even if we see them as fools: they don't care. Looks like we old school hunters and collectors have to go back to the thrift stores, although even there the competition has increased: the chance to make big bucks with old records on ebay surely gave a lot more people the idea to systematically search the common sources. But is it that bad to go back to the roots of record hunting? We can even sell records on ebay ourselves for big $$ to the fools who are willing to pay it. I don't remember anybody complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just that. We can't change it anyway. It's too late. Alea jacta est. Mo - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:32:45 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree At 06:18 AM 3/1/01 -0800, Ben Waugh wrote: > >What? > >We are all complicit in the hiked up prices we gripe >about and pay. What's the big deal about the guy >turning a profit on us compulsively competitive >bidders? Or thanking us for the fact? Four guys on this list bid on a record and the price is driven up. Then the seller comes on and says "thanks for bidding on my record, thus driving up the price". If the seller was a friend of mine, I might smile while I told him to fuck off. I might think "yeah it is kind of funny the way we helped you make money there". I'd grumble but I'd laugh it off. If however the seller is a stranger and this is his first post ever, then I have to agree with Brian. That was my first thought too. It's not his fault that the bidding drove the price up and I don't resent him for making a profit. And I wouldn't have resented him in the least if he'd just been another guy with a record to sell. But when he comes to my home and waves the money in my face and says "hey guys thanks. Hope I can find more records you want so that you guys can drive the price up and in the end none of you will actually get it because the price will be too high for any of you", then yeah I start to think of synonyms for asshole. Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way. But it sure sounded like it. And it was a suspicious way for a lurker to make his first ever post. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:34:14 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree At 10:03 AM 3/1/01 EST, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > ..AND you don't know jack about this list other than the fact that you can pick a few dollars off it... Right on JB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:40:13 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree At 10:21 AM 3/1/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: > Maybe Larry shouldn't have sounded so predatory about his >methods, but I can't blame him. When I see albums I own going for high >prices I feel the pull--maybe I should sell it? (I won't do it, but it >wouldn't be wrong if I did.) At the risk of repeating myself, it was the "sound" of his post that made some of us react the way we did. I'm going to put some records on ebay myself eventually and I hope that every one of them goes for a hundred dollars. However if one of my records does go for a lot of money and I look at the bidding history and I see that five guys bid on it and the four "losers" all hang out in one place, I'm not going to go to that place and say "Hey guys, thanks for helping me make all this money!" It's just impolite. And if it was a bar and they were drinking, it would be dangerous too. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:44:03 -0500 From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Alan, the more I think about my original post, I can see how that perception could be made. It certainly wasn't my intention to flaunt this auction and my profits in anyone's face. I actually thought it was pretty neat that I had found something that was interesting enough for 3 or 4 people from this list to bid on. My purpose in reading this list and making that first post was not to generate future sales...I've truly developed an appreciation for many of the musical styles discussed here and have enjoyed the conversations. I apologize if I offended anyone or created any ill-will. I'll continue to read the list, and hopefully will have something constructive to contribute in the future. Best regards, Larry - -----Original Message----- From: alan zweig [mailto:azed@pathcom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:33 PM To: exotica@xmission.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Four guys on this list bid on a record and the price is driven up. Then the seller comes on and says "thanks for bidding on my record, thus driving up the price". If the seller was a friend of mine, I might smile while I told him to fuck off. I might think "yeah it is kind of funny the way we helped you make money there". I'd grumble but I'd laugh it off. If however the seller is a stranger and this is his first post ever, then I have to agree with Brian. That was my first thought too. It's not his fault that the bidding drove the price up and I don't resent him for making a profit. And I wouldn't have resented him in the least if he'd just been another guy with a record to sell. But when he comes to my home and waves the money in my face and says "hey guys thanks. Hope I can find more records you want so that you guys can drive the price up and in the end none of you will actually get it because the price will be too high for any of you", then yeah I start to think of synonyms for asshole. Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way. But it sure sounded like it. And it was a suspicious way for a lurker to make his first ever post. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:03:13 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree All, Can we please change subject now! Gentleman Magnus is tired of seeing that subject line :| Updated today: - -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:15:33 -0500 From: buMp Subject: (exotica) 3 gentlemen? with retorts like this, i say WELCOME! we all suffer from ASSHOLISM (to quote local boy john waters) now and again. you have to understand that the people on this list are very passionate about this music and are into it for the love of it, not the profit. so to sorta barge in and speak of the wonders of the large profits being made on us is kinda "assholy". but i understand your intention, i feel as if you kinda like the prodigal son. (i do not bid on record on ebay so you are cool with me) welcome to the hi-volital world of exotica! bump >Hey, ain't nothing wrong with assholes...we'd all be full of shit without >one! =) > >Larry ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ Bump "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer bump@defectiverecords.com http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:38:09 +1100 From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools on 2/3/01 4:32 AM, HOUSEOBOB@aol.com at HOUSEOBOB@aol.com wrote: > "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession that was > released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People > were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. > Whether anyone actually believed that was Jagger singing "I Can't Get No > Nookie", I'm not sure. The liner notes are by "T.M.Christian" T.M. Christian (The Magic Christian) is Ringo Starr if my memeory serves. Philip - -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:38:10 +1100 From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools on 2/3/01 3:56 AM, Brian Linds at woodlind@island.net wrote: > Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he > found out to be a fraud? Thanks, Was there ever any doubt? Magician James Randi spent a lot of time debunking him and fighting in court over defamation too I think. I have just transferred most of Uri's album to CDR if you're interested. Philip - -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:16:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) 3 gentlemen? citerar buMp : > > with retorts like this, i say WELCOME! > > we all suffer from ASSHOLISM (to quote local boy john waters) Which movie was that? Was it the one where the murderers and the retards lived in a city in the forest? Where the leaing lady, oh maybe not lady screams to the kids in the beginning of the movie: How are you ever gonna pay pack the five minutes you stole from my life, I hate you, your parents and everyone connected with you" Or something like that, how many laughs I got from that picture. So damn dark. I couldnt watch it now, not after my psychosis. Or was it in Pink Flamingos? Magnus - -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Here's my final on this. A stranger introduces himself, thanks us for bidding and then thanks us all around for lining his pockets. He probably could have finessed the sentences a bit more, but I for one never got the sense of intended gloating. Larry came out of the cold in response to the tired thread regarding how we piranhas frenzied after a particular item he was selling. I thought it made a nice end to the matter: thanks for going against your principles and participating in my auction. And he is here now and can speak to this if he cares to correct deny, impugn, etc. Maybe my close reading skills need some polishing or I'm overly callous, but I don't see how it's ok to agree that calling the guy an asshole, based on that first post (before he began to generalize about all group members), is a legitimate - if we are too sophisticated to say "gentlemanly" - response. Whew. Sorry for going on - but this whole "post-punk" rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic (exploited by our consumer culture, which all we buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is getting tired. I retire. BW - --- alan zweig wrote: .... > Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way. > But it sure sounded like it. .... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:25:25 -0600 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Larry, Since I am the one responsible for the "pretentious fop" comment, let me explain....I wrote that because I thought you sounded condescending towards the bidders and listmembers, plus I've waited years to use that adjective and this was the first chance I got. After listening to your comments, I am sorry. I am also sorry for my part in getting the group all stirred up. Who knew such a laid-back, easy listening group had such Passion! Must be the jungle drums.... Colleen Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Right. Jack was very personal and quick with insults (some of which had great humor value. I do miss the guy)And whether or not that tendency is a part of his nature that he cannot master, my feeling is that some people on this list feel that a knowledgeable hipster has a sort papal infallibility about him. A tolerance denied tradesman and the uninitiated. - --- Moritz R wrote: I don't remember anybody > complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just > that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:20:12 -0600 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: (exotica) White Goddess and Kapp --add Modern, Kent & Crown Thanks for the info, Clayton. I'm getting the idea that Kapp had two or three tiers of releases: budget tributes to mostly minor artists by no-name artists; recordings like White Goddess, Eartha Kitt, etc.; and the high-end Gold Medallion LPs. Can you or anyone verify? Hunted for a Kapp website--no luck. Recently learned about this comprehensive site for the Bihari Brothers' labels, Modern, Kent, & Crown. (Thanks, Jeff!) No coverups the Biharis' seamier business practices either. The developers are looking for people who can fill in missing info. Maybe some of you want to oblige them. http://www.bsnpubs.com/modern/modernstory.html Mimi Clayton wrote: I never thought of Kapp as being a budget label. I don't collect them, by any means, but as far as I know all of Roger Williams albums were on Kapp, and Kapp had a fairly nice "high-end" series (Gold Medallion) with the requisite brass and percussion complement... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:14:42 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools HOUSEOBOB@aol.com wrote: > "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession that was released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. === The folks behind the actual Masked Marauders LP (which I have) were, or so I've heard, a bunch of musos who used to hang around the Freight & Salvage's folk/old time music scene. These same people were recorded by Mike Seeger on "Berkeley Farms: Oldtime and Country Style Music of Berkeley," Folkways FA 2436 (1972) (which I also have). Can I confirm from listening to the two that it's the same personnel? No, but it seems just possible enough that I've considered this mystery solved (at least for myself). lousmith@pipeline.com other pranks: Trubee's Blind Man's Penis Darleen and Jonathan Edwards answer records recordings of Bridey Murphey (http://skepdic.com/bridey.html) backwards messages (http://www.skepdic.com/backward.html ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Leveridge Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools This urban legends website claims it all began with "a joke review of a non-existent album" in Rolling Stone written by Griel Marcus under a pseudonym. The site further claims that Marcus and RS writer/editor Langdon recruited a group of Berkeley musicians (supposedly, according to the site, the members of The Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle Band) to record a record matching the one described in the review: http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/masked.htm Brett ************************************************** Brett Leveridge's "Men My Mother Dated and Other Mostly True Tales" is now in a bookstore near you. Order signed copies at: http://www.menmymotherdated.com >> "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession >> that was released by Reprise (no date on the album, most >> likely around 1969). People were led to believe that >> Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. > === > The folks behind the actual Masked Marauders LP (which I have) > were, or so I've heard, a bunch of musos who used to hang around > the Freight & Salvage's folk/old time music scene. These > same people were recorded by Mike Seeger on "Berkeley Farms: > Oldtime and Country Style Music of Berkeley," Folkways FA > 2436 (1972) (which I also have). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:36:58 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree In a message dated 3/1/1 3:12:08 PM, moritz@derplan.com wrote: >I don't remember anybody complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just that. All due respect to Jack--he is passionate beyond belief--I have NEVER bought a rekkid from him because he is in that camp. And I've found most of what he offers anyhow. I guess I like my capitalism the way I like nightclub sex...anonymously. and holding my breath!~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:45:16 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree In a message dated 3/1/1 5:23:07 PM, sophisticatedsavage@yahoo.com wrote: >his whole "post-punk" >rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic >(exploited by our consumer culture, which all we >buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is >getting tired. So if anything goes, then--as Zappa said-- its simply situational ethics ...JB/If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Not my point, DJ. But I think you know that. - --- DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > So if anything goes, then--as Zappa said-- its > simply situational ethics > ...JB/If you don't stand for something, you'll fall > for anything ===== "Grunt Big for Daddy." - - Thomas Paine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools - --- nytab@pipeline.com wrote: > > "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" > supersession that was > released by Reprise (no date on the album, most > likely around 1969). People > were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the > Beatles were involved. What was the name of the group that supposedly sounded so much like the Doors that rumor spread that the lizard elvis had faked his death and was singing incognito in this band? I think Electra actually got riled up over it. > lousmith@pipeline.com > > other pranks: > Trubee's Blind Man's Penis Great record. Sort of in that... vein is Killer Pussy's Teenage Enema Nurses in Bondage, The Beat Farmers' Are You Drinking with me Jesus? and The Forgotten Rebels' Surfin' on Heroin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:12:13 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) all gentlemen agree Ben, this is the final statement. I completely agree with you. And: You have my vote for the Justice of the Peace of this list. Mo Ben Waugh schrieb: > Here's my final on this. A stranger introduces > himself, thanks us for bidding and then thanks us all > around for lining his pockets. He probably could have > finessed the sentences a bit more, but I for one never > got the sense of intended gloating. > > Larry came out of the cold in response to the tired > thread regarding how we piranhas frenzied after a > particular item he was selling. I thought it made a > nice end to the matter: thanks for going against your > principles and participating in my auction. And he is > here now and can speak to this if he cares to correct > deny, impugn, etc. > > Maybe my close reading skills need some polishing or > I'm overly callous, but I don't see how it's ok to > agree that calling the guy an asshole, based on that > first post (before he began to generalize about all > group members), is a legitimate - if we are too > sophisticated to say "gentlemanly" - response. > > Whew. Sorry for going on - but this whole "post-punk" > rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic > (exploited by our consumer culture, which all we > buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is > getting tired. > - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:55:10 -0500 From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: (exotica) Pretentious Fop...? Awww, c'mon Colleen...just when I was starting to like the idea of strutting around in a powdered wig, velvet pantaloons, ruffled shirt, a little finger dipped into a snuff box and a lace hankie grasped in the other hand....*LOL* Thanks for the note...hopefully my future postings will be more informative than inflammatory. - ----------- A side note...had a chance last night to listen to the webcast of Darrell Brogdon's Retro Cocktail Hour on KANU-FM at the Univ of Kansas. Great show, and particularly enjoyed the interview with Kirby Allen (Chaino's producer/manager). I had some email correspondence with Kirby a few months back and found him to be quite an interesting character! Larry - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Pyles [mailto:colleen7@ireland.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:25 PM To: Usselman, Lawrence J Cc: exotica@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Larry, Since I am the one responsible for the "pretentious fop" comment, let me explain....I wrote that because I thought you sounded condescending towards the bidders and listmembers, plus I've waited years to use that adjective and this was the first chance I got. After listening to your comments, I am sorry. I am also sorry for my part in getting the group all stirred up. Who knew such a laid-back, easy listening group had such Passion! Must be the jungle drums.... Colleen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) all gentlemen agree I can't take the job. I know myself too well. It would begin with avuncular intercessions and evolve into hits and lavish purges. - --- Moritz R wrote: > > Ben, this is the final statement. I completely agree > with you. > And: You have my vote for the Justice of the Peace > of this list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:48:10 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Flute and bongos, nice combination Don Ralke Bongo Madness LP Crown CLP 5019 Listening to Bongo Madness right now, it is good, more relaxed and calm than I thought it would be, more exotica than afro cuban, some originals by Ralke are particularly good. Buddy Colette talks on the flute and Jack Burger on the bongos. On Crown records so there are (is?) a lot of surface noise. Would make a nice twofer CD with Milt Raskins "Kapu/Exotic Percussion" but it is not as great at that one. I would love a cd reissue of Raskins masterpiece and hear it without all that surface noise. Bongo Madness is absolutely worth picking up, Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:18:37 From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: (exotica) April fools gentlemen One of my favourite 'fake' bands were Klaatu, who weren't really fake but refused to do press and allowed the rumour to get around that they were a secret Beatles reunion. I have been told that the Carpenters thought 'calling occupants of interplanetary craft' (my favourite of their songs and much better than the original version) was a George Harrison song when they did it! Great drugs obviously. And will people lay off the new guy? i wouldn't mind if you were molotov cocktail toting, credit card hacking, anti-capitalist revolutionaries. But short of that you're just not in a fucking reasonable position. whoops the censor might get me. rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:34:14 EST From: RoTone@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Book of Tiki excised chapters I recall someone posting about the fact that 3 chapters were taken out of the original book before the publishing, including one on music. Is there any possibility that Sven Kirsten would agree to having those chapters posted online? I would even be willing to pay a small fee for the privelige of seeing the additional material. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is there anyone who could propose this to the author? Thanks Jon Cook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:48:59 -0500 From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report 9. Hawaiian Newspapers, War Records, and Trust Territory Image Collections [.tif] http://128.171.57.100/ Created by the University of Hawai'i System Libraries, this site contains three collections of digitized images. The first features images of Hawaiian language newspapers published from 1834 to 1948. They include stories, photos, advertisements, letters to the editor, and other content. The quality of images varies. The second collection comes from the Hawai'i War Records Depository (HWRD), and in addition to the photos, this section also provides information on the holdings of the HWRD, contact information, and a link to an online catalog. The third, and largest, collection includes approximately 8,000 images from the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (TTPI) archives. The photos are browsed by "reel" number and are offered as large thumbnails with links to full-size JPEG or TIFF images. The photos may also be keyword searched using an internal search engine. Links to further information about the four separate, self-governing districts that once composed the TTPI are also provided. [MD] 13. The Merchants of Cool -- PBS [RealPlayer] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ The companion site to this week's excellent _Frontline_ explores the symbiotic relationships between teens, the media, and the creators and sellers of popular culture. In the program, _Frontline_ correspondent Douglas Rushkoff interviews marketers, media executives, cultural/media critics, and members of the teen market that the former are so desperately trying to reach (and create). Among other things, Rushkoff explores the "mook" (young male) and "midriff" (young female) stereotypes and the marketing of supposedly anti-establishment rage rockers. At the site, visitors can explore the major themes of the film, read interview transcripts and the reactions of teens who viewed the program, and learn about some of the companies and media giants featured in the film. Also included are a discussion list, a teacher's guide, and some additional short features. [MD] 14. Traveling Culture: Circuit Chautauqua in the Twentieth Century -- LOC [.pdf] http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/iauhtml/tccchome.html The latest addition to the American Memory Project highlights a University of Iowa Libraries collection of talent brochures and other materials from one of the largest booking agencies for Chautauqua performers. The site presents "7,949 publicity brochures, promotional advertisements and talent circulars for some 4,546 performers who were part of the Chautauqua circuit." These may be searched by keyword or browsed by subject or name. The digitized images are offered as thumbnails with links to a full-size .jpg image or .pdf file, accompanied by bibliographic information. The site also links to a brief online essay on Chautauqua. [MD] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:24:18 -0600 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) LANGUAGE Well, I think JB proved that it's not the @#%#@** language that keeps posts from coming through. JB, you are quite fluent. LOL Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:14:59 -0800 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Usselman, Lawrence > J > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:44 PM > Alan, the more I think about my original post, I can see how that > perception > could be made. It certainly wasn't my intention to flaunt this auction and > my profits in anyone's face. Man I just hope you're not this one seller on eBay who has all this great stuff and is totally cleaning up. There's this particular seller (ok, I'm bidding on one of her/his auctions right now) who has: Jean-Jacques Perrey's "Mood Indigo" LP *and* Dan Penn's "Nobody's Fool" LP (that one just went over $100) *and* Little Jimmy Scott's "The Source" LP (that one I really want) *and* that Kali Bahlu album. God I want 'em all. A little depressed, Ben np: drowningman, "rock and roll killing machine" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:19:47 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors This stuff is just plain common sense... everyone who collects anything eventually realizes this: * You Have To Pay To Be Lazy * It stands to reason that if you take the path of least resistence, (ie: typing "les+baxter" into the ebay search box) you are going to pay more than the fella who gets up at 5 am to be to the swap meet before most people have their morning coffee. A dealer may have to buy up whole collections of worthless "Whipped Cream and Other Delights" to get the odd Esquivel or Les Baxter in the batch. If someone is going to that trouble to gather together an inventory, you're going to pay him a premium for his efforts. There's nothing at all wrong with any of that... If you have very little money, then you shouldn't be shopping at trendy record boutiques and high traffic auctions... You should haunt thrift stores, go to swap meets, search out garage sales, and save your money and buy batches of records from people dumping whole collections at a quantity discount... in other words... Do your own legwork! Don't gripe that the guy who sits on his duff typing in ebay search boxes is ruining things for you, because that isn't true at all. * Auctions Don't Set Values * The hammer price at auction is *by definition* a higher price than anyone else bidding is interested in paying. It doesn't mean that is what the item is *worth*. It means on THAT day THAT ONE BIDDER was willing to pay that. It's a lot easier for someone to pay double what something is worth if it costs $10, than if it's worth $500. That's why the average stuff is so volitile sometimes. But these are flukes. It doesn't mean that if you put YOUR copy of "Hugo Piggerwiggle and his Mambo Maniacs Play the Beatles" that you are going to get the same price that the first seller did. After the first copy, the law of supply and demand will kick in, and the price will start to drop. * Lemmings Pay A Premium * If a record is pictured on the cover of Re:Search's books, you are going to pay through the nose for it. Everyone with a tiny bit of experience in this sort of music knows Esquivel, Les Baxter and Martin Denny. But that doesn't mean that these are the only good records in the world. There are a LOT of really good cheap records to be had. You just have to explore the outer edges where the average person hasn't gotten to yet, and be willing to risk a buck on something new. It helps to have broad and adventurous tastes in music. It doesn't help to feel that someone else has to write about something being good before you will acknowledge it yourself. Be your own trendsetter... don't let Irwin Chisud define what *your* tastes are. * My Tip For Finding Cheap Music * I've mentioned it here before, and I guess I'll say it again, even though I'll probably be making competition for myself at ebay... If you like older music and you don't have a turntable capable of playing 78's, you are missing out on a sure thing. Right now, 78s are plentiful and relatively valueless. You can find lots of music of all types from the turn of the century through the late 50s, that aren't available on LP or CD, for as low as 25 cents a record at ebay. If they have been reissued on CD, odds are the original 78s sound BETTER. People have this idea that 78s sound scratchy... that it's hard to get equipment to play them... that they are very rare and expensive. None of this is true. They sound great, they're easy to find needles for, and they are DIRT CHEAP. In short, use your brain, your ears and your legs. The lazy lemming with no tastes of his own always pays more. Who wants to be a lazy lemming? That's my two cents... and I didn't have to resort to vulgarities! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #905 *****************************