From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #909 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Monday, March 5 2001 Volume 02 : Number 909 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 (exotica) The Polynesians Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Re: (exotica) The Polynesians Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001 Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) (exotica) Different Neighborhoods (exotica) Music vs. Covers (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Re: (exotica) The Polynesians (exotica) Ira Ironstrings Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11 Re: (exotica) Napster dreams Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Re: (exotica) "The Moritz" (exotica) Re: huge Burlesque show!! Re: (exotica) "The Moritz" Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:24:00 -0600 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Unlucky wrote: Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know. ***************************** Does anyone know who is starring in it? Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge Clooney was in it? Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:23:10 -0800 From: Otto Subject: (exotica) The Polynesians Does anyone have additional information about this band? I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are others or other information besides the actual records The Polynesians stood out to me very early on when I only had about 20 Hawaiian records and I found their Beautiful Hawaii record. It is markedly better than the rest of the Hoale stuff and better than the traditional Hawaiian stuff (though not as good as Denny or Lyman in my book) Later when I got their second (?) lp with the liner notes about them being the house band at an infamous Tiki restuarant called The Polynesian, they were ensconced in my heart! All of their records are on Crown, none have dates so I am guessing on some of the chronology here based on cover art. Crown originally used liner notes with a short list of their other records but later switched to having the same back on all releases and this is the common lisitng of seemingly every record on their label with 6 pictures on the left and large triangle/arrow that is grey. After that design they used "Music for every Mood" with sixteen covers filling the back of the lp. According to the back Crown label listings here are The Polynesians records: CST 113 Aloha Hawaii CST 163 Blue Hawaii (not credited to The Polynesians probably in hopes that buyers would think it was the real Blue Hawaii soundtrack) CST 169 Polynesia (also not credited) CST 214 Beautiful Hawaii CST 223 Hawaii Calling CST 271 Hawaiian Paradise CLP 5265 Lovely Hawaii CLP 5304 Hawaiian Sunset CLP 5519 Hawaiian Love Songs "Aloha Hawaii" this is The Polynesians first lp CST 113 and appears to be the 13th lp on the Crown label cover is a generic shot of Waikiki from Matson collection has the original back with liners band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Lani Sang, with Sam Koki Songs: To You Sweetheart Aloha Song of the Islands Lovely Hula Hands Beyond the Reef Kalua Tomi Tomi Loch Lomond Beauty Hula Pulupe Aloha Oe "Blue Hawaii" I only have the generic back version of this cover band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Freddy Tavares, Bob Nichols, Joe Guerro, Joe Keawe Songs: Ke Kali Nei Iau (Hawaiian Wedding Song) Blue Hawaii Isle of Golden Dreams Mauna Wili Hula Aua Chant Sweet Leilani Makala Pua Maui and Maui Girl Island Moon Kou Kino Mambo "Polyneisa - The music of Hawaii-Tahiti-Samoa" I have 4 copies of this record, all four have different covers Two have the liner notes and are numbered CLP 5136 and CST 169 (stereo) the other two are obviously more recent pressings as they have the backs mentioned above This has a great cover shot in front of The Polynesian Tiki restuarant with a Hawaiian couple with an outrigger and a Tiki on one side of a waterfall and the band in the foreground on the other side of the waterfall Back liner notes are by John Marlo with a shot of The Polynesian band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with Freddie (sic) Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares family that started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los Angeles!) Songs: Tahitian Festival Tamure Marcelle A Vahini Minoi Minoi Vana Vana Cafe Au Lait Papio Vahine Anamite Tanga Tika Maruru A Vau "Beautiful Hawaii" Cover appears to be the same shoot as Polynesia. liner notes are by John Marlo I have two, one is CLP 5191 and has the generic back the other is CST 214 (stereo) and has liner notes and a short listing of Crown records ranging from numbers 101 - 221 The stereo version is on red vinyl!! band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Joe Keava (sic?) songs: Pagan Love Song Orchid Lei Lei Makamae (Original Hawaiian Wedding Song) Te Manu Pukarua Kamahula Moon of Manakura Utere Utere Farewell and Aloha Ua Like no a like Na Hala "Hawaii Calling" Cover shot is on a beach. and has songwriter credits on the cover, generic back band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Bernie Kaii, Ernie Tavares, Marie Terangi songs: Little Grass Shack My Yellow Ginger Lei Princess Pupule Lullaby of Birdland Tanga Ta Hura Hura (Marie Terangi) Little Brown Girl Lehua (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP At the Barefoot Bar (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP Hawaiian War Chant Tahiti Nui (Marie Terangi) "Hawaiian Paradise" generic back band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols songs: Kings Serenade My Hawaii Nei Momi Lei Mahina Go Around the Island Lani Kai Lovely Tahiti Mai Poina One Two Three Four Bora Bora "Lovely Hawaii" I thought I read somewhere that this was their fifth lp but if the catalog numbers are correct than this would be their seventh. Generic back Front probably shot at The Polynesian. Band has really cool Tiki shirts band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols songs: Song of the Isle Hawaiian China Doll Nakulu Mele Aumoe Moana Lua Shadows of the Night Lovely Lei Ilima Stars Shining O'er Hawaii Puuwai Ue Ue - O'tuu "Hawaiian Sunset" I have two copies of this one Titled as Richard Kauhi and the Polynesians featuring Harry Baty, Bob Nichols, Bernie Mattison, Bernie Allen songs: Remember Be Sure For You and I Beautiful Kaala I Love Your Eyes Aina Hau Ua Like, No A Like (the only repeat title so far!!) Hawaii Land of Enchantment Hilo Bay Honolulu I Love You My Hawaiian Home "Hawaiian Love Songs" MONO this has the later generic back with 16 covers no band members listed songs: My Hawaii Nei Momi Lei Mahina Go Around the Island Aloha Oe Lani Kai Lovely Tahiti Mai Poina ONe Two Three Four Bora Bora # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:35:54 -0600 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Alan wrote: I guess I could have held onto them for ebay but instead I used the money for trade- ins. I haven't sold any on ebay yet because I don't have a credit card to pay for the listings. I held back a few hundred to sell on ebay but so far I've only bought on ebay. ******************************** You could put them up for sale on the list only... we could all bid on them, against each other, pay way too much and end up cursing you.\ Sounds like FUN! Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:58:36 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians >band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with >Freddie Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares family that >started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los Angeles!) Freddie Tavares worked in R&D with Leo Fender at Fender (drew up the mechanical drawings for the Stratocaster among other things). He was also a busy session musician on steel guitar. Some sources say he did the steel guitar swoop at the beginning of Looney Tunes cartoons (some sources say other people did it -- maybe various people did it at different times). He was born on Maui in 1913, got his start in the business playing steel for Harry Owens' Royal Hawaiians orchestra in the 30s. Migrated to LA with the orchestra in the 40s. Ernie was his brother, who also played with the Royal Hawaiians. Freddie might still be alive. At least I don't remember hearing that he "took a cab" (to use Vic Mizzy's excellent phrase). No idea about any relative connection to the disco band. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:20:36 -0600 From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001 Colleen wrote: > > Unlucky wrote: > > Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if > anyone didn't know. > > ***************************** > > Does anyone know who is starring in it? Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge > Clooney was in it? According to http://www.imdb.com/ , here's the cast : George Clooney .... Danny Ocean Brad Pitt .... Dusty Ryan Casey Affleck Julia Roberts .... Beatrice Ocean Miguel Pérez (I) .... Explosives Cop J.P. Manoux .... Aide-de-Camp rest of cast listed alphabetically Alan Arkin .... Saul Bloom Scott Caan Don Cheadle .... Basher Matt Damon .... Linus Zerga Andy Garcia Elliott Gould .... Ruben Tischkoff Edward Jemison David Jensen (II) Bernie Mac Rusty Meyers .... Security Guard Bill Murray .... Nick the Lounge Singer - -Indy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:17:27 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Alan wrote: > It's not "ebay's fault". It's my fault for bidding on records that look interesting, all the while > forgetting that 40 dollars is way too much to spend on something that you've never heard > anything about. This is probably the main reason I decided a few years back to officially drop my want list, you now, that list of things any serious collector keeps on them at all times and gives out to other collectors in the hope they may have something. I think it was partly because a lot of what I was looking for was so obscure, I realized I would never find the huge majority of it, and partly because I became convinced that anything really good would be reissued (some very obscure recordings are appearing as legit reissues these days!) Mainly though, I couldn't justify paying a lot of money for records I thought were good because of the label or artist connection, that I read were good, or that I saw on other want lists and subsequently added to mine. There are a few I would buy just to complete a set but the truth is I may have just lost interest in searching. I recently passed up on early Foetus 7"s at $50+ each thinking I don't want them that bad, only to find I could download the damned things off Napster! Now THAT was never an option before, and to be honest it's all I need... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:17:16 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Alan wrote: > I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we have a hard time > explaining what we mean by better. And no one can argue if you simply say "This is what > I'm used to and this is what I will continue to prefer". I really notice vinyl defects when I record from it. By defects I mostly mean what the turntable transfers, ie rumble and power hum, and what the cartridge transfers, ie crackles and pops. Its something I've forgotten all about with CDs and maybe as a result I notice it more. I still insist a good CD player can match the quality and warmth of vinyl but Alan's right when he says its all in what we're used to. Sound is a very subjective thing and if you don't believe me read a few articles in audiophile magazines! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:50 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods exotica-digest wrote: >The kind of records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment >I order stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items, >so what shall I do? -Magnus Well, the best thing to do, if you aren't dead set on specific titles is to find someone in the US with access to good fleamarkets who will scoop of a batch of stuff that looks promising and ship them to you. You can't pick and choose that way, but you get the thrill of digging through unknown stuff. Here's an offer... I live in Los Angeles where we have a record swap meet every month. I'll go to the swap meet and buy you twenty records that fit within the percussion/exotica/easy listening genre in good shape that look good to me... You'll have to let me know what artists you have covered already, so I avoid duplication as much as I can. It will probably cost me between forty and fifty dollars. Most easy listening records cost between 1 and 5 dollars here. I'll ship those to you sea mail at no charge. In return, you send me the same quantity of european recordings from 1960 and earlier that fit into the categories of big band, jazz, swiss yodelling, accordian music, and strange ethnic music. Not european pressings of American records... Europen bands. If you can find record collections of really early european pop music from the teens through the thirties, even better. Are these sorts of records available in the bins where you live? I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars. One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy in your thrift stores as you would be in mine. If it works out, we can gather together more batches... does that sound practical? Let me know if this interests you. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:49 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Music vs. Covers >At 12:24 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote: >> >>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. >>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? ALWAYS the music. It's all about the music... >>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? I'm not happy with the sound of most CD reissues. They compress it and de-noise the life out of it. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:53 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) >From: Moritz R > >Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former >discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem >to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that >there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before?) If record companies went out and found pristine pressings, and transferred them directly to CD with no alteration, I would be gung ho for CD's. Unfortunately, the people who re-release records feel that they know *better* than the original artists who produced the music. They feel that they are obligated to "correct" the quaint, antiquated "mistakes of the past", and express their own creativity at the expense of the original artists. (Who are long dead and gone and unable to complain.) This results in music that is proccessed and packaged like luncheon meat... stupid, kitch covers that focus on trendiness and demean the talent of the musicians who made the music... liner notes with cocktail recipes, but NO MENTION of the musicians and their careers... music with grossly unrealistic EQ settings, making acoustic instruments sound like buzzy synthesizers... older recordings muted and dulled by draconian digital filters just to remove all traces of a slight amount of unobtrusive surface noise... random collections of completely unrelated tracks selected for no other reason but novelty value, not musical value... deceptive packaging, repeating the same tracks previously released in another "best of" with just a sprinkling of new material... I take CD reissues on a case by case basis. CD's are more convenient and portable. But they haven't been produced well in a lot of cases. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:55 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:58:23 -0500 >From: alan zweig > >I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we >have a hard time explaining what we mean by better. The best way to prove it is to do an A/B comparison. >For me it's a matter of what I'm used to hearing on vinyl and what I'm used >to hearing on CD. I don't question the sound of a CD if that's the only >medium in which I've heard the music. I'd prefer to hear the mix and mastering that the artist approved. A lot of the records that we appreciate were aimed at hifi nuts. The artists took an active part in the mixing and mastering of the music. Many records are like auditory movies, with very careful contrasts in sound, perspective and balance. That is as much a part of the music as the melody or performance itself. >One of the reasons I can switch from vinyl to CDR is that the CDR's I make >from vinyl, sound like vinyl. I've had that exact same experience. Why don't commercial releases sound that good? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:40:52 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers exotica-digest wrote: >As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to >ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I >hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are >disappearing! -m.ace I haven't noticed that where I live. The thing about ebay is, something worth a dollar or two isn't really worth paying the listing fee for. If you put a hundred dollar records in ebay, and most of them pass, you could be stuck with a pretty big piece of change in fees on relatively valueless stuff. There are less obvious high ticket records at the swap meet, but that's OK by me because I don't care to spend over a few bucks on a record. The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 02:08:40 EST From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge They're not legally available but I've seen them bootlegged. Same guy I use for 77 Sunset Strip and Honey West, has (what looks to be) the entire run of this. Linda was featured as a singer/lounge owner, but only for one or two seasons of its run. I'll try to find the address. He doesn't do anything over the web as far as I know, but he does advertise in Outre/Filmfax. - --David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:27:11 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians citerar Otto : > > Does anyone have additional information about this band? > I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are > others or other information besides the actual records No sorry, but I have heard "Lovely Hawaii" and it was really good, a nice cover too. Definetely LPs to search for. You have quite a bunch. Nice to see you are posting again, Magnus - -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 06:47:00 -0600 From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) Ira Ironstrings bag@hubris.net wrote: >Most of us know that Louis F. Busch has one pseudonym: Joe "Fingers" Carr. > > >Now I wonder whether he had two. > > >Ira Ironstrings did a number of Warner Brothers LPs produced by Busch and >arranged by Busch. The question is...who was Ira Ironstrings? Ira was Alvino Rey. There's a new page on Ira at the Space Age Pop page: http://www.spaceagepop.com/ironstri.htm I learned the truth about Ira from Stan Cornyn, ex-Warner Brothers exec and the king of liner note prose. And yes, there is a page on Mort Garson at Space Age Pop as well: http://www.spaceagepop.com/garson.htm Switching back to now. Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 08:19:22 -0500 From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods > I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American > style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and > they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling > records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars. > One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots > from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that > we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy > in your thrift stores as you would be in mine. The local public radio station in Bloomington, Ind. used to play a show called "Northern Lights," and I once recorded from it some terrific big band music from Finland. Big band music and ballroom dance are both very popular there--even the Finnair pilots have their own band. Finnish is definitely an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:37:01 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland citerar Clayton Black : Finnish is definitely > an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing. We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art, just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv serials, thank you very much. :( Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 06:35:07 -0800 From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods At 08:19 AM 05-03-01 -0500, Clayton wrote: >Finnish is definitely >an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing. Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it-- I heard it pronounced "var-tin-AW") is from? I first heard this group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great! Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are more Slavic than anything, which makes this group so unique to my ears anyway. Of course, their songs deal with unusual but important subjects which focus on women's lives. This may also be a reason for their success...they sing like they have purpose, like they care. Hard to tell when you don't speak the language, but they sound very articulate yet also sound like they are having fun. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:55:48 -0600 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers At 9:40 PM 3/4/01, bigshot wrote: >The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the >EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and >three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it. True of record shows too. I'd guess it also depends on how long the record has been in stock and how eager the dealer is to get rid of it. At one record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for $25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing. Haven't seen a $50 price spread for at a show though. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:49:02 -0500 From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods > Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it-- > I heard it pronounced "var-tin-AW") is from? I first heard this > group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great! > > Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are > more Slavic than anything, Careful what you say to the Finns--don't tell them their music is Slavic. People are touchy about ur-culture in that part of the world. Yes, Vaartinaa (it's spelled with umlauts, and it might have another n) is from Finland. I like them too. The best track I've heard from them is on an "Arthur" (you know, the lovable ardvaark on PBS) CD. It's supposed to be the song for Binky Barnes (the tough kid who needs a nightlight). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:20:29 -0600 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish guy recently. Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes in Latin...and aren't there also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said he'd never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus said, and he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here before. Head-scratching Mimi Magnus wrote: >We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are >special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot >of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art, >just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even >though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of >us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv >serials, thank you very much. :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500 From: Jenna Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11 fcobalt@lycos.com wrote: > Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know. > Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change of ending. Anyone know anything else about it? Jenna # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:39:45 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster dreams Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb: > Alan wrote: > > > Is this true? > > Or will Napster simply disappear? > > It's owned by Bertelsmann now, isn't it? That means it won't disappear - > soon it will just cost us a lot of money to download the latest Britney > Spears track. I don't think this is entirely true. The news about it are rather confusing: First Napster said it's impossible to automatically filter out registered tracks. Actually *ALL* tracks are somewhat registered, so this is bullshit from the start. However: then the music industry presented a list of 5600 tracks that they wanted to be filtered out immediately - all the current big selling hit records, BUT: if you change just one letter in the title of the song, you can trick them out, so they won't be satisfied with that solution in the long run anyway. AND: it means basically: we care for our big sellers, all other artists - i.e. all the small, independent artists will not be protected, people like Tipsy and Don Tiki et al. So I don't see why this will be really a dream come true. (We discussed this before: I still don't see why artists we like, starting from Martin Denny and not ending with the mentioned members of this list (me too!) should not get paid for the music they bring to all of us, but I won't discuss this again). Finally Napster said, they will charge their customers in the future and give part (!) of the money to the artists as royalties, which again means, that the big sellers will get most of the money, unless they develop a technical system, where each song is registered singularily and the money is transferred to the referring artist, song by song, download by download, a system that Napster currently doesn't have. All in all I don't think your dream - if you still want to call it one - will come true as you dream it, AZ. Mo - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:39:43 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Kevin Crossman schrieb: > Moritz R wrote: > > I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case. > > Well, they do sell special pens that can write on CD-R surfaces w/out > scratching the disk. Of course, maybe you're right and that is just a > sales ploy. :-) uuh... you don't write on the side of the CD that is read by the laser, do you? Mo - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:44:11 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) "The Moritz" "m.ace" schrieb: > Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa: > > http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html > > "Exemplify the essence of the East. The embrace of the Moritz is the quintessential element in your home for a peaceful mind." :-D I'm not a specialist in Buddhism, but don't you have to die, before you can be reincarnated? Just asking... Mo PS: Wait a minute! After seeing "The Sixth Sense"... m-m-maybe I'm dead already? - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:11:28 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Re: huge Burlesque show!! mon dieu! how did you get *that* job? Mo - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 10:36:23 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) "The Moritz" > > Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa: > > > > http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html > >:-D I'm not a specialist in Buddhism, but don't you have to die, before >you can be reincarnated? Ummm, must be a case of premature reincarnation. - --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:45:17 -0600 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11 > Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven > Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other > night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change of > ending. Anyone know anything else about it? I don't think "Seven Thieves" was a remake of "Ocean's Eleven". They both came out the same year (1960) and "Seven Thieves" was based on a novel by Max Catto. It's a terrific film, BTW. From the mid-50s through the mid-60s, there's a wonderful sort of sub-genre of moves like this that might be called "caper films". A small group of experts come together to pull off an impossible heist. "Seven Golden Men" is a good example of the genre. Others include "Five Against the House", "The Asphalt Jungle", "They Came to Rob Las Vegas" (rare soundtrack by George Georges Garvarentz) , "Caper of the Golden Bulls" (music by Vic Mizzy!), "Topkapi", etc. There are lots more. For my money, the two greatest caper films are a couple of European films: "Rififi", directed by Jules Dassin and which spawned a bunch of sequels (the film's centerpiece is the 28- minute heist sequence, filmed in total silence --no dialog or music) and "Big Deal on Madonna Street", a comedy which spoofs the whole genre. Sorry if this is off-topic. I just like caper films! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #909 *****************************