From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #919 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Tuesday, March 13 2001 Volume 02 : Number 919 In This Digest: (exotica) Musical Luddite (exotica) Philosophical Baggage (exotica) the dross of the stacks (exotica) Jazz for the Jet Set (exotica) A brighter view Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered (exotica) Re: swingle singers Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers (exotica) Jill Mingo on Luxuriamusic Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers (exotica) lies lies lies Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered Re: (exotica) Re: Disappearing Records Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Re: (exotica) Re: swingle schifrin Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music (exotica) Bach and other things Re: (exotica) lies lies lies (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... Re: (exotica) Musical Luddite Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... (exotica) More Bach and.... Supersax?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:09:19 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Musical Luddite exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:26:17 +0100 (CET) >From: "Magnus Sandberg" >Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music > >To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done >but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. Musicianship sure seems to be on the wane right now. Everyone is focused on musicality. >Same with music, I dont >care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. I detest any synthesizer that is tweaked to sound like an acoustic instrument. They NEVER sound as good, especially synth strings. Blech! The best synth music is the early stuff where the machine itself set the parameters of the voice. They used the sound of the machine musically, without trying to make it sound like the musical equivalent of wood grain contact paper. Whether I hear Yanni or Peter Gabriel abusing sampling to create tacky pseudo-acoustic sounds, it all sounds the same to me... fake. Techno music all sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. It's time to unplug and get back to basics. I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble. Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to *being able to play instruments well*. The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time! Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just sleeping it off. I'm with you on this one, Magnus... See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:35:19 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Philosophical Baggage exotica-digest wrote: >It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal philosophical "baggage" >to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and pretend >that it's all there in the music. If you don't have a theory, and nothing is happening in your brain while you listen, the music just floats in one ear and out the other. It doesn't matter what you listen to... I would much rather hear the opinion of someone with "philosophical baggage" that I disagree with, than listen to blather of "oh this is good and this is good" from someone with no critical point of view at all. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:37:47 -0800 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) the dross of the stacks exotica-digest wrote: >Seriously I am shocked by the multitudes of 1980s records appearing >in huge numbers in thrifts down here. My favorite thrifts have >suddenly dried up with finds and there is Top Gun sound track >staring at me. >I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff Fifteen years ago, I complained about all the Ray Coniff and Herb Alpert records! Time marches on! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:48:51 -0600 From: Paul Dean Subject: (exotica) Jazz for the Jet Set alan zweig wrote: > At 10:25 AM 3/13/01 -0000, Charles Moseley wrote: > >> > >> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz) > I think I've seen that "Jazz for the Jet Set" LP. It has a girl with a > space suit on it? If so, that's a very attractive album cover and a lot of > stores would put 40 dollars or so on it, even if the record turns out to be > mellow vibes jazz that you could get in many other packages for A LOT less. Funny you should mention this. I found this LP jacket at a local (Baton Rouge) thrift store last week. JUST THE JACKET, mind you, but in mint condition! The cover really is very striking; someone before me had propped it on a shelf, apparently out of admiration. Needless to say I went through every loose lp in the store looking for the record itself, but alas, to no avail. Still, I bought it. I've never heard the music, but I have the cover! I'm relieved to hear that it PROBABLY doesn't sound as good as it looks. Ya never KNOW, though, 'til it hits yer ears! paul dean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:05:54 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) A brighter view > > > It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal > > philosophical "baggage" > > > to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and > > pretend > > > that it's all there in the music. BUT IT IS!!! Man is his environment, noone could argue with the fact that music is mechanical because our surrounding is mechanical. I just can't find a secret hideaway other than in music recorded before the 70s. > > Anyone have a problem with my attitude? > > Yeah I do. Sometimes I think that I have lost my feelings, but considering the way I feel about music I probably have not. My attitude may come from the fact that I have grown up in a small town with nothing but hockey and football, I had to search everything out myself, (I am sure that I share that with a lot of you) maybe that is why I sometimes feel that this is "my" music or "my" book. That is the way it is, and if that bugs you, you just dont understand passion. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:13:48 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered >>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and >>when? >You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral >transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. Actually it was Mendelssohn's 1829 performance of the St. Matthew Passion in Berlin that sparked the Bach "rediscovery." There were other activities around that time but the performance was what really pushed it out of scholarship and into the mainstream. Check the Britannica or any music history text. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: (exotica) Re: swingle singers >I=92m nuts about Baroque interpretations. Carlos et all. >And try to put= them in the martini mix. Anybody have >any favorites?=20 Hi Dom, I'm also a big Swingle Singers fan. The often-mentioned 'Bacharach Baroq= ue' by The Renaissance (aka Snuff Garrett) is really superb - lots of wor= dless vocals, harpsichord - really swinging. =20 Another record which has been recommended to me, but which I've not heard= , is 'baroque'n'stones'. =20 I would avoid 'the baroque beatles book'; I also wasn't madly keen on the= Jacques Loussier and Waldo los Rios albums I picked up over the years. 'The baroque inevitable' is fun though, and on first listen, Lalo Schifri= n's '....the marquis de Sade' album seems to be great. Sorry for the lack of artist info for many titles here; these records oft= en do not seem to have any. You should also maybe check out the Polish group 'Novi Singers'. Their '= novi sings chopin' album is good, although in a quiet way rather than in = a jazzy swinging way. Everything else they did is highly recommended - f= rom wild and jazzy psych stuff (e.g. 'torpedo', and the recent 'go right'= compilation on JCR compost records) tnto heavenly bossa nova originals w= ith vocal harmonies (the album 'Bossa nova', available on a Polish CD). cheers, jonny - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:23:12 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers citerar delicado@cheerful.com: > > >I=92m nuts about Baroque interpretations. There are a lot of cheaplabel recordings to be found here with that odd=20 mix of classical music and wordless vocal singing with a sixties beat.=20 One track is hilarious but if you listen to the whole album you want to=20 throw the record out. Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long=20 title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like=20 that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman.=20 Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:36:05 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Jill Mingo on Luxuriamusic Hey! Former list member Jill Mingo is going to be on www.luxuriamusic.com tomorrow Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:00 PM PST on Jon Hucks show. Check it out at http://www.luxuriamusic.com/Event_Page?eventID=10257 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:40:12 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers DC wrote: > >I’m nuts about Baroque interpretations. Any favorites? One of the nice sections of the jsbach.org site is an area where you can list out Bach recordings organized by instrument as opposed to performer or piece. http://jsbach.org/recommendedinstrument.html Recommended Recordings by Instrument includes such unorthodox categories as: Accordion Banjo Computer Drums Electric Bass Electric Guitar Koto Panpipe Percussion Saxophone Shakuhachi Synthesizer Vibraphone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:48:42 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) lies lies lies I was about to ask you guys about a particular record. Trouble is I found it on ebay and the only way I can ever win anything on ebay is to be the only one to bid on it. So I was thinking of saying "Hey my friend saw this record in a store. Is it worth it?" But I figured you guys would just go and look for it on ebay anyway. So there's this guy who wants at least 20 American dollars for Quincy Jones' soundtrack to "Deadly Affair". I never pay $20 unless a record is really really extraordinary. So, should my friend pay $20 for this. OH and this other friend of mine saw the soundtrack for Mike Hammer by Skp Martin. He was sure that it wasn't the Stacey Keach version but something much older. Was he right? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:50:53 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered > >>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and >>when? > >You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral > >transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. > > >Actually it was Mendelssohn's 1829 performance of the St. Matthew Passion >in Berlin that sparked the Bach "rediscovery." There were other activities >around that time but the performance was what really pushed it out of >scholarship and into the mainstream. Check the Britannica or any music >history text. > I think with Bach by "discovery" we can also mean new ways of playing his music? People are always doing different things with his music and sometimes it may be because technology allows us to do new things. Sorry I'm terrible with names...but there is a CD of the Goldberg Variations done on guitar. The artist transcribed the music, commissioned the making of 2 guitars especially for this and played both the guitars. Like Bill Evans on "Conversations with Myself". It's wonderful. And there is a recording of some of the French Suites done on the accordion! Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered I'm always on the lookout for Stokowski records. I thrifted a beautiful Swan Lake act 3 & 4 . Believe it or not this is my very favorite lp cover these days. The nicest shade of green I have ever seen. Better than Whipped Cream, even better than Music For Piece of Mind. Alas the lp was a a bit scratchy for my snobby must be perfect classical taste. I wish I could put up with scratches on classical as well as I do on exotica or rock. Maybe its because I really started listening to classical music when I got my first cd player. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck - --- bigshot wrote:You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral > transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. In the late > sixties, Stokowski's transcriptions fell out of favor as music > snobs championed historical performances, but now conductors like > Sawallisch, Bamberg and Solonen are rediscovering them and > presenting them as romantic alternatives to the "HIP" approach. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:14:14 -0500 From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Disappearing Records From: "F. Cobalt" > Gee, I'm really sorry I asked anyone about their favorite album covers the other week. I just wanted >to know about some albums to look around for to see their design, beyond the albums I have, and >the books of album cover art I have, and on and on and on. I didn't know that my inquisitiveness >would be so awful for certain readers. Maybe I should keep this in mind and only ask about things >I am certain NO ONE knows about. There's no subject that doesn't have at least one listmember who knows something about it - just ask any question, and you'll soon see... (didn't The Wire magazine call us a bunch of know-it-alls?) > Or only talk about things I was really into ten years ago, like Yma Sumac, so that there's no sense >of the status quo being rocked here. Or keep totally off topic and bring up things like foot fungus. Foot stuff is Alan's area of expertise, I believe. Not necessarily fungus, but those toenails... cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:29:56 +1100 From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music on 14/3/01 12:27 AM, Magnus Sandberg at m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: > Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten > years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought > that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make > something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for > publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it. > On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal > pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and > energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But > my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced > it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be. Magnus, speaking as somone whose partner has been an illustrator (mainly pen and ink) for over 15 years and who has in the last year moved wholly to drawing by hand in Photoshop on the computer I have to disagree. All her skills as an artist have been transferred and it is certainly not "easier". Her productivity for commercial work has increased because of the technology used to deliver roughs and artwork but she still has to imagine and decide about every detail of the finished work. Check out the coverart on "Living It Up.." when it comes your way via the ExoticaRing or visit http://www.noisypics.com if you'd like to see a folio of some fairly recent Photoshop drawing. Philip - -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:39:58 +1100 From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers on 14/3/01 9:23 AM, Magnus Sandberg at m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: > Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long > title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like > that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman. > Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it? Yep. "The Dissection and Reconstruction of Music From the Past as performed by the inmates of Lalo Schifrins demented ensemble as a tribute to the memory of the Marquis de Sade" to give it its full title. also reissued on Verve as "Blues for Johann Sebastian" BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else. Philip - -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:59:28 -0500 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle schifrin >Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long >title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like >that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman. >Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it? I have the CD reissue that came out a few years back. Some people don't seem to like it, but I do. Cool stuff to my ears. And I love this bit from Schifrin's liner notes: "'Aria' was the product of a delirious experience. I was playing at the piano some fragments of 'Dido and Aeneas,' by the outstanding English composer, Henry Purcell (1659-1695), while my wife was reading Aztec poetry in loud voice." Yep, just another night at the Schifrin homestead. m.ace mace@ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:36:11 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Chuck schrieb: > > Mo I also attended a symphony the other night. Beautiful but it > was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that > long. these coincidences strike me. > I think we are in some of the best times for modern music > releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut). The music scene > today is as diverse as ever. Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop, > Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica, > breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf. I still don't quite understand Magnus's hate of the computer. I think tod= ay the use of it has so much refined that in many cases you don't even re= cognize the difference between a computer generated track and a hand-play= ed one. The sounds come from acoustic sources via the sampler. To me this= hand-playing is not a holy cow. I don't see a great value in spending ye= ars of your life just to be able to play a drum set as straight as a comp= uter. According to this thinking, the use of a washing machine would be a= bad thing. Instead of learning to become a machine an artist nowadays ha= s the freeedom to experiment with all kinds of musical material. Even if = you always lose something with what you win through progress, an attitude= like "it was all better then" seems to pount to a deep dissatisfaction w= ith progress in general. Of course it's up to magnus what he likes, only = I'd consider it a pity if he would dispise certain great aspects of today= 's music for the wrong reasons or for reasons not inherent in the music i= tself. > And even more amazing in this > modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the > whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra. Plus there is new music even in this field. No, the bright thing about ou= r dark age is today's music! > I guess parking at a > lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at > least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't. It's the romanticism of our generation and I don't see any reason why it = shouldn't be as "classic", "important" and "valuable" as any classical mu= sic. I love to listen to music in the car. Maybe even more than at home. Mo - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de =2E......................................................................= =2E. n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:39:11 +0100 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Domenic Ciccone schrieb: > >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? > > Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get toge= ther > and go over music that they called =93the lost art=94. They put togethe= r a > concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach= was > on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed. interesting. when was this? > In a way you could say that Bach was the original =93exotica find=94. A= talented > local artist that was almost forgotten except by family and friends unt= il > someone started promoting it. Exotica I don't know. Retro definitely. the 19th century was entirely ret= ro. - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:11:28 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers In a message dated 3/13/1 5:16:15 PM, delicado@cheerful.com wrote: >You should also maybe check out the Polish group 'Novi Singers'.... yesyesyes Domenic...add to that "Les Masques"..An anthology of their work is available at Dusty Groove...They had one track on the "Sexopolis" comp of three years ago or so called "Il Faut Tenir"...The LP, though boot, is great soft pop meets vocalese via Sergio Mendes....Hope that helps...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:31:37 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music I dont hate the computer!!!! PHOTOSHOP was and is amazing. A PERFECT SOFTWARE! I just dont like mechanical music. It seems that I cant make myself clear at all. It is a little part of todays music that I just dont like. People are playing jazz, surf, bossa, mambo, and everything else nice that I would probably like. I just dont get exposed to it that often because: I AM EXPOSED TO CRAP!!!!!!!! when I leave the house. Or on TV, radio etc. IT EATS ME UP!!!!!!!!! All my bad ideas about new music comes from this pain. You probably live in a more romantic environment with clubs restaurants playing good music. I dont. I wont mention it again! I am watching Umbrellas of Cherbourg for the first time, now I wish that Genevieve would ring on my door and sing something to me. Next girl I am interested in I shall sing for. Definetely! Mag # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:59:42 -0800 From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Bach and other things There is a very interesting article about Bach's late rediscovery here: http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWarchdisplay.cgi?20000615047R And about the discussion about lurkers... I'm usually a lurker. I have posted a couple of times but that's it. Only when I am sure no one else knows what I do (which is basically Colombian stuff). Why is that? Several reasons. One has already been mentioned: there is people here who know a lot and I would feel embarrassed to say something stupid here. Second, it has to do with the way I enjoy music or knowledge in general. Sometimes I don't like to own things, but just like to know they exist. It feels nice to know that the world is such a big place, full of cool things you haven't heard or known about or seen before. Sometimes I am really claustrophobic when I found out that in this city I live in (Bogotá, aprox pop: 7 million) people tend to run in circles. And you end up in a party chatting with the same guys you went to the nursery with. That's scary for me. And the list is some kind of antidote for that "shrinking world" feeling I get when that happens. My musical tastes are varied. I like exotica but also some post-rock (Aerial M, Papa M), some pop (Belle & Sebastian), electronic music (isolée, rinocerose, Mouse on Mars). And my favorite music in the world right now is being made by Stereo Total. What I like the most about this list is that it isn't only music related. It's also about books and art and movies and architecture and style... that's to say that it talks about life in general. One of my favorite discussions (certainly brief) was about that guy in the Godard movie that explains that there are two kinds of men in this world. I know it has nothing to do with music, but I think in things like that there lies a big part of the list's charm. And my favorite filmmaker is Alexander Kluge (one of the advantages of living in the third world: touring films from the Goethe Institut, that are shown over and over again because there is nothing else for the Cineclubs to show)... It seems to be a little late for introductions, but I just couldn't help it... Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:02:30 -0500 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) lies lies lies on 3/13/01 5:48 PM, alan zweig at azed@pathcom.com wrote: > So there's this guy who wants at least 20 American dollars for Quincy > Jones' soundtrack to "Deadly Affair". > I never pay $20 unless a record is really really extraordinary. > So, should my friend pay $20 for this. it's nice but not that great, inho. The title track is a cool bossa. But probably not $20 cool. > OH and this other friend of mine saw the soundtrack for Mike Hammer by Skp > Martin. He was sure that it wasn't the Stacey Keach version but something > much older. Was he right? oh yeah - great crime jazz album. RCA, 1958. West coast recording with all the usual suspects. Count Basie wrote the title track. The cover is great, too, and lists the music as "Sounds Of Violence" br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:05:45 +0100 (CET) From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg I cried when it ended, not often I do that, and still I thought it was a happy ending. Bittersweet maybe. It must be all that bad energy coming out of me lately. Does the soundtrack LP/CD have vocals, or is it instrumental? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:18:45 EST From: Clayton.Black@washcoll.edu (Clayton Black) Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... - --- You wrote: >More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would >really be interessted in are: > >'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art >and some nice sounds! That's one of my favorites. More than just nice sounds. Great = electric sitar sounds from Bill Plummer!!! This record got "played out" a lot by some local D.J's and suddenly = it was hard to find. "Everybody" - meaning maybe twenty people - wanted = it and they were asking dealers for it and then dealers were looking for = it and next thing you know, it's a fifty dollar record. Somehow ever since I found two copies in Cleveland for a buck each, = I think the rush on this record has died down a bit and it's back to being = a ten buck record. But I actually think this is almost worth the big = money. Of its type (sui generis?), this is about as good as it gets. - --- end of quote --- I was in NYC this past Thursday and made a point of stopping in at = Footlight Records. I quickly saw that the prices were well beyond = what I was willing to pay, but just for interest I took a look at = The Party, which I've wanted for some time. Thirty bucks. I'm = going to continue telling myself that the anticipation of having it = may be better than having it itself. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:29:08 EST From: Clayton.Black@washcoll.edu (Clayton Black) Subject: Re: (exotica) Musical Luddite - --- You wrote: >To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is = done=20 >but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. Musicianship sure seems to be on the wane right now. Everyone is focused on musicality. >Same with music, I dont=20 >care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. I detest any synthesizer that is tweaked to sound like an acoustic instrument. They NEVER sound as good, especially synth strings. = Blech! The best synth music is the early stuff where the machine itself = set the parameters of the voice. They used the sound of the machine musically, without trying to make it sound like the musical equivalent of wood grain contact paper. Whether I hear Yanni or Peter Gabriel abusing sampling to create tacky pseudo-acoustic sounds, it all sounds the same to me... fake. Techno music all sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. It's time to unplug and get back to basics. I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble. Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to *being able to play instruments well*. The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time! Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just sleeping it off. I'm with you on this one, Magnus... - --- end of quote --- I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about = musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno = and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore? Magnus may get so much of the = latter that to him it's no different from Yanni, but I still say = Ralf and Florian were extraordinarily clever, musicians or not. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:39:07 -0500 From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... If I'm not mistaken, that one's been reissued on CD (RCA Spain, I think) - and a lot less than $30. cheryl From: "Clayton Black" > >'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art > >and some nice sounds! > > I was in NYC this past Thursday and made a point of stopping in at Footlight Records. I quickly saw that the prices were well beyond what I was willing to pay, but just for interest I took a look at The Party, which I've wanted for some time. Thirty bucks. I'm going to continue telling myself that the anticipation of having it may be better than having it itself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:48:20 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) More Bach and.... Supersax?? >Domenic Ciccone schrieb: > > > >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? > > > > Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get >together > > and go over music that they called “the lost art”. They put together a > > concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach >was > > on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed. > >interesting. when was this? > I’m home now so I looked it up: “The Bach Reader” (1945) edited by Hans T David there is a nice section called “The Rediscovery of Bach”. (And I see we have an internet post too) ”Devrient’s account about 1823 where “At these were assembled a select number of the members of the Singakademie who were desirous to know the difficult works of the old masters. Here we used to sing what Zelter called “bristly pieces” of Sebastian Bach who was at that time considered as an unintelligible musical arithmetician with an astonishing facility in writing fugues.” Its cool that were talking about the vocal groups! And thanks Jimmy and Jonny D for da tips seems like Dusty's finally going to see my credit card number... The Double 6 of Paris is on the mostly maligned Paris Ultra-Lounge comp. But I’ve heard some of the Ray Charles tribute LP and it’s a killer. How about this: “Supersax & L.A. Voices- The Complete Edition” Got a chance to borrow this from Joe Slezik at WICN, his show is on Saturday’s 12-4PM EST (www.wicn.org) 3 LP’s on 2 CD’s from the pictures on the front I gather it’s 5 horn players and 5 vocalists, 2 woman and 3 men. Guess you could call this Swingle Singers meets west-coast vocalese. If you ever see it pick it up! Joe told me generally men like Supersax and the woman don’t. 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