From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #944 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Thursday, March 29 2001 Volume 02 : Number 944 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts Re: (exotica) art vs. craft (exotica) re: shanghainese pops Re: (exotica) electronic sounds RE: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops RE: (exotica) electronic sounds Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... (exotica) Tipsy again! Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... RE: (exotica) electronic sounds RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Re: (exotica) Up with People RE: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... (exotica) J J Perrey Library LPs Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... RE: (exotica) The Golden Age RE: (exotica) Futurist music Re: (exotica) Up with People (exotica) musical nostalgia Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... (exotica) Tipsy live at The Stork Club/wfmu (exotica) "Baltic BeBop"(CD review) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:07:17 -0800 From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music on 3/13/01 9:04 AM, Eric Taub at eric_taub@wgbh.org wrote: > > Pretty close, "Bach for Bachelor Pads". I think its great; creative and quite > clever...and it bridges the gap between the "exotica" music I like and what my > fiancee (a classical musician) appreciates. Not too many recordings do that. > Eric Have any of you ever heard of Mozartkugeln? not the chocolate, but the group. I'm soon going to see a video of them. They wear 18th century garb complete with powdered wigs and sing in falsetto. I guess they do some Elvis covers. In any event, I can hardly wait!!!! Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:15:48 -0800 From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts on 3/27/01 7:21 AM, m.ace at mace@ookworld.com wrote: > > >> I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could >> come to my rescue. >> >> I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It looks like >> stripes. I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck >> getting rid. > > I've run into that. A friend who knows "old school" printing suggested that > the source material used the duo-tone dot pattern. You might be able to > find a specific filter for duo-tone, but I gave up, myself. Other than > finding a special filter, you might want to try scanning at different dpi > settings and see if any of them make an improvement. It's a pretty nasty > problem. Yes, If you scan at a really high dpi-like 500 or 600, this can help. also, the despeckle filter (in the Noise submenu-at least it was in photoshop 4) can be of use-it has worked for me. but sometimes, as stated above, the duo-tone dot pattern can be so crude that you will never eliminate it completely without tedious hand work with the airbrush tool, which I also have had to do. It can work, you just have to be sure to put your eyeballs back in the sockets when you are through. christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:31:48 -0800 From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft > Art is about reflecting the world back to people so they can see it in a > different way. Whether the elements were thought up in your own head (if > you believe that) or "sampled" from the world is ultimately irrelevant. > Errol Morris's "Thin Blue Line" and Chris Marker's "Sans Soleil" made me > see the world in new and different ways. If that's not Art to you, call it > Sam. It won't change what it is. > > And with that, I really am finished. I could not have said this better. There have for many years been these arguments in academia and the art world about craft vs art, "real" art vs. "not-art" etc. Indeed, there are criteria but the bottom line has to be an involvement with c, in the anthropological sense. As we are probably the most visually and musically literate society to date, we cannot eschew the importance of all things that shape our aesthetic world. For example, TV (Especially TV) advertising, logos etc. But, are all of these landmarks in our lives art? Maybe not, but all of this is certainly source material for those who have an obsessive need to constantly tear apart the world, re-assemble the fragments into some semi-cohesive personal understanding which we hope will touch at least a few people into seeing a new perspective. Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:56:33 +0800 From: "William" Subject: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops > > jose padilla. anyone know who he is? and finally my favourite track on the > > disc sung in chinese and english was written by j. hendricks and > > is from 56. > > the english title is "i want you to be my baby" and the english lyrics go > > like this: > > That's Jon Hendricks off Lambert, Hendricks and Ross for you. this is what i suspected but was not sure. > > The Chinese and English version of "I Want You To Be My Baby" also shows up > in Tsai-Ming Liang's 1998 Taiwanese film "The Hole." (There are a bunch of > surreal musical numbers.) really?? i have been trying to track down information on the music in that film! do you know any more? all i have been able to find out so far is that the singers english name is "grace chang" and she supposedly was in a bunch of hk musicals. but what i really need is her chinese name preferably written in chinese. anyone out there know? the singer on the comp i just got is named "ge lan" unless that is the name of the group. i definately want more! maybe its the same person. william in taipei. > > Later, > Ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:58:26 +0100 From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds One of my friends observed to me a while ago that we would soon have a generation of kids grown up listening to CD's rather than records as their primary musical medium, and they would have different ways of hearing things due to the quality of the sound available (the super basses and crispy trebles), and I think we have been seeing that for a while particularly with Drum and Bass and the UK garage 2/step thing around at the moment. I know its not to everyone's taste, but its music being created by young people, and I know it may be tempting to think of 40 year olds appearing out of nowhere with chops intact, but its by making music that you learn music and thats how people have always learned music, you play it, evolve (a different thing to getting better) and move on. the interesting thing will be to see what these whippersnappers do with these new ears as they get older and move on. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare From: "Brian" But change is usually brought about by inquisitiveness and energy, usually the youngest generations. What worries me most is the general lack of this inquisitiveness in today's youth, despite a world of opportunity that has never been so vast... No, my own fears are precisely the opposite of those of Magnus! Progress means differet things to different people.... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:04:38 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops jose padilla. anyone know who he is? This has probably been answered, but just in case...... He is a leading figure in Ibiza. I think he owns Cafe Del Mar and has been partly responsible for the musical direction on the island for 20 years or so. And he is a general Cool Balearic dude. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:06 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds One of my friends observed to me a while ago that we would soon have a generation of kids grown up listening to CD's rather than records as their primary musical medium, and they would have different ways of hearing things due to the quality of the sound available (the super basses and crispy trebles), and I think we have been seeing that for a while particularly with Drum and Bass and the UK garage 2/step thing around at the moment. Which is interesting because drum&bass and two step are both musical genres created primarily for vinyl. I'd say that the 'sound' of modern music is down to recording techniques. If you want to make a 2001 R&B record you have to use new technology. If you want to make a 1971 funk record, you're going to have to source original microphones, mixing desk, tape, compressors, etc etc. Vinyl in 12" form is considered to be the best 'sound' for dance music but an opinion like that is so subjective. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:42:23 -0500 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Alan: Let me just recommend ONE piece of classical music that is VERY VERY good: Holst - The Planets. This is the only thing that Holst ever did that was really *GREAT* - and = it is GREAT. =20 I'm not a classical music listener - I find it stodgy, boring and achingly = formulaic (which it HAD to be - because back then, if you waivered outside = of the "formula" you were out of a job buddie!!!). And I HATE the sound = of a harpsichord (Even if 'ol Enoch Light is using it - like that "Far = Away Places" album - yeach!!). BUT the Planets is different - the Planets is great. Please listen and report back!! - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:55:38 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... I'm with Alan on this one. I met a guy in a charity shop who is a collector of classical vinyl and finds lots of valuable items in charity shops. I asked him about classical music and explained that I knew nothing (although I'm not completely ignorant). Anyway, after discussion with this guy and a recommended purchase, I have decided thus: First you have to find the piece of music - so I'd have to start listening to records in shops, listening to Classic FM, etc. Then you have to get a good recording - Because I wouldn't want to spend a lot on records I'd try to buy it all second hand rather than on new CDs - so you need to know what orchestra, hall and conductor you should be looking for and then you have to go find that vinyl in A1 condition. My purchase was a Vivaldi Four Seasons LP recorded in Watford Town Hall (apparently using a central mic and outboard stereo mics in a hall with excellent acoustics) in the late sixties conducted by a top conductor. It does sound great and you can clearly pick out each instrument, particularly the harpsichord. There's just too much to learn to get into all that. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:59:35 -0500 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Tipsy again! Okay, I haven't gotten the new CD yet - it's on the way.........this am I = was listening to one of my home-made comps. and on comes Earl Grant doing = "My Foolish Heart" from his Ebb Tide LP. Instantly I recognized the opening bars as being included in a Tipsy song. = Now, I can't tell you *which* song it's from because that album has the = amazing ability to be almost brand-spanking new every time I listen to it = (that is, the "tune" doesn't stick in my head 'cause there's so much going = on!!) - but it's there, and it sounds amazingly "modern," like it was = created on a keyboard in the rec. studio. - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:03:20 -0700 From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Magnus Sandberg wrote: > I had a cat last year, I named him "tiki", we had so much fun together, > he was a lighthearted fellow. He enjoyed to sleep on my laptop, and > left weird messages on the screen. He liked to rename files. I remember > that I thought, that if I had been on the exotica list I would have > posted these messages from tiki. i named my cat "tabu". he's less than a year old & is also computer literate. he deletes files occasionally & loves to play with the mouse, of course. anyone else call their pets exotica related names? mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:42 -0500 From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... > From: "Nathan Miner" > Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... > > And I HATE the sound of a harpsichord (Even if 'ol Enoch Light is using it - > like that "Far Away Places" album - yeach!!). > Wow, "Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend." I don't like NRBQ, someone else (sorry, I forget who) doesn't; I love the trombone front-men, Alan doesn't; Nate can't stand harpsichord, and it's one of my favorite elements of some of Enoch Light's albums (and I love Dick Hyman's "Happening!" album). My favorite use of it is in Mancini's version of the Playboy theme, and if I'm not mistaken there are some particularly sweet moments in the Breakfast at Tiffany's soundtrack with harpsichord solos (aggh, now I can't remember which one it was, maybe it's not B at T's). It's always difficult (and maybe futile) to say why one likes or dislikes a particular sound, but this gets to Alan's recent comment about whether our fascination with exotica, etc., is really about the music or about the panoply of sensations it gives us--reminiscences, associations, and the like (sorry if that's not what you meant, Alan). For me, the use of harpsichord in pop tunes revives memories of the Dean Martin roasts and the awkward transition from the rebelliousness of the 60s to the tacky conformity of the 70s, metal monster station wagons and outlandish color combinations--you might ask why anyone would want to revive the feeling of that time, but I was only about 7 or 8, and I expect that the sounds of the time stir something in me that it's pleasant to recapture, if only for the length of a song. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:16:57 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds i named my cat "tabu". he's less than a year old & is also computer literate. he deletes files occasionally & loves to play with the mouse, of course. anyone else call their pets exotica related names? Um, Does Kevin qualify? Of course, we're separated now. He lives with my parents. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:19:38 -0500 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... <> Ugh! This is another part of classical music that can be a royal = pain-in-the-ass. It is VERY true that variants on the same piece of music can sound so = different. I've heard different versions of The Planets and it CAN make = or break the piece. This is probably more true of classical music than of = pop music - which of course can have HUNDREDS of variations - but if the = tunes a catchy tune then it's hard to really f**ck it up (unless you're a = mongoloid of course - ooops sorry!!!) ;-). Luckily, the best version of The Planets is available on a budget release. = The cover is like the "Extra Extra" headline of a major newspaper. = There's a whole series out. I don't know the conductor or orch. but = there's one part for one of the planets where you have to bang hell out of = those hanging bells to get the full effect of the end of the movement - = and it's *amazing* how other interpretations pussy around and totally RUIN = this part of the movement with lame lame "bell banging!!" (Okay, laugh - = it's funny - but dammit it's true! true!). - - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:21:56 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... >There's just too much to learn to get into all that. Sounds to me like you got a classical snob or at best a fan who can't communicate with non-fans. You don't have to know all that stuff, though like anything more knowledge always helps. Don't worry too much about whether you're getting the "right" recordings because there aren't any: classical buffs will argue about these for ever (opera fans are the worst) and too much of that is just trivial. There's been some mention of Stokowski's orchestrations of Bach on the list recently; classical types nowadays generally think these are tacky but I think they're a hoot and there's always plenty of "authentic" Bach around if that's what you prefer. There's probably some radio station in your area that broadcasts classical and most public libraries have albums that can be checked out for free. The Naxos label has an almost endless list of inexpensive ($US 5 to 6) discs covering the gamut from medieval to avant-garde and they generally get positive reviews. One guide book that I've found amusing and helpful is Jim Sveda's Record Shelf Guide though I think it's out of print now (his radio show is still on). The best general history I've found is Jan Swafford's Vintage Guide to Classical Music. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People Don't know much about up with people, other than the gig I was lucky to have been forced to attend as a 6th grader at Our Lady of Evening Joy. If you like your "us" affirming in a more exclusive vein, I unreservedly recommend "Mormon Children Sing." Talk about pep (and passion)! What could be peppier and more heartwarming than a seven year old girl singing "I Want to be a Mother." Or a beaming son's "Dad, Aren't You Glad I'm a Mormon." I am not on a Mission, BW - --- Bruce Lenkei wrote: > I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album > and am enjoying it > quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. > My question is: > Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is > this it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:38:37 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... This is exactly what I'm talking about: There's probably some radio station in your area that broadcasts classical and most public libraries have albums that can be checked out for free. The Naxos label has an almost endless list of inexpensive ($US 5 to 6) discs covering the gamut from medieval to avant-garde and they generally get positive reviews. One guide book that I've found amusing and helpful is Jim Sveda's Record Shelf Guide though I think it's out of print now (his radio show is still on). The best general history I've found is Jan Swafford's Vintage Guide to Classical Music. Another genre to learn about, research and spend money on. Brrrrrrrrr. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:52:33 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) J J Perrey Library LPs How's that for coincidence. All three of Jean Jacques Perrey MP2000 library LPs are currently listed on Ebay. Just an observation. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2001 11:02:04 -0500 From: Eric Taub Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music I haven't heard of them, but I'd love to hear a report. Speaking of bridges, I don't remember but has anyone mentioned Bacharach = Baroque? Whats that like? Eric =20 > > >Have any of you ever heard of Mozartkugeln? not the chocolate, but the >group. I'm soon going to see a video of them. They wear 18th century = garb >complete with powdered wigs and sing in falsetto. I guess they do some >Elvis covers. In any event, I can hardly wait!!!! > >Christine > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:04:34 -0500 From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... CBC FM (or Radio 2, as I believe it's now called) plays classical music a very large portion of the time, especially in the mornings. I believe all the Canadians on the list should know this... And the Rick Mercer show is on this Sunday night (CBC tv), a one-hour special called "Talking To Americans", which promises to be a riot. They get Americans to congratulate Canada on all sorts of stupidity, including stopping the polar bear hunt in Toronto! cheryl From: > > There's probably some radio station in your area that broadcasts classical and most public libraries have albums that can be checked out for free. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:39:22 -0500 From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age >=20 > Or the B-52s, who were way ahead of the curve with the=20 > thrift-store record=20 > influences. Mikac speak truth. Mikac know good dance pop. =20 I saw The B-52's perform three times. First was in 1981 at the now demolished Capitol theater in Passaic , NJ. Kid Creole and the = Coconuts opened. The whole place jumped, literally danced through the whole = show. Nobody sat. The same thing happened in 1984 at the Garden State Arts = center show. THe whole place danced, in the isles, in their seats. It was = unreal, seeing several thousand people doing the monkey and the frug like some wacked out surf movie. And Cindy Wilson was the mossssst! I loved the = way she moved those hips! Seeing Ricky play guitar was an experience in = itself, the way he leaned into his old mosrite.... raving now... =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 Charlieman=20 "Everything that can be invented, has been invented." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0 =A0=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Waugh Subject: RE: (exotica) Futurist music Speaking of: I found the stereophonic version of Antheil's Futurist piece: Ballet Mecanique, under the direction of Robert Craft (Stravinsky pal who has written some interesting travel memoirs). I don't know how many other recordings are readily available (have not checked to see if this has made it to CD; suspect it has)- but this is unlike anything else... several pianos, jet-propeller (swooshing from speaker to speake)and electric bells. Along with Khlebnikov's Zaum (the auntie in the attic relation of Esperanto), it's one of my favorite things from that fad. - --- Nathan Miner wrote: > <> > Ugh! This is another part of classical music that > can be a royal pain-in-the-ass. > > It is VERY true that variants on the same piece of > music can sound so different. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:21:40 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People In a message dated Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:04:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan zweig writes: At 11:21 PM 3/28/01 -0500, Bruce Lenkei wrote: > > >I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album and am enjoying it >quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. My question is: >Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is this it? I bet there's a hundred more. But I have three. I kind of like a couple of the songs too but I'm not sure you need more than one. On the other hand, there's a slow and a more rockin version of their theme song and you probably should have both. Being that you're an Up With People completist. I actually found one i liked that has a lot of now sound type tunes on it...it was in the wrong "Up With People" cover, but an Up With People cover anyway. so I don't remember the title...If you look closely at the one with the white cover and red print you will see U.W.P. member Glenn Close (spelled Gleen Close) a-singin' with the crew..JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:18:31 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) musical nostalgia At 10:11 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: .--you might ask why anyone would want to revive the feeling of >that time, but I was only about 7 or 8, and I expect that the sounds of the >time stir something in me that it's pleasant to recapture, if only for the >length of a song. . Most record collectors I've met are focussed on music they first heard as a young person. I don't think that applies particularly to people on this list. And it doesn't particularly apply to me either. OR so it seems. Most of these collectors actually had theories about this phenomenon. They'd say things as specific as "The music you hear in Grade 5 is the music you'll love your whole life". In general though, they believed that the time between 11 years old and 14 years old was the most significant in determining your taste. I'm certain that almost everything I like is somehow traceable to things I heard as a young person. That almost goes without saying, doesn't it? But most of the people I met actually liked the exact same thing they loved at 12 whereas in my case - and in most of YOUR cases too - that's not true. They liked the Beatles at 12; they collected the Beatles at 45. And that's pretty well all they're interested in. I know my present tastes are influenced by TV soundtracks and talk show crooners and lots of things I tried to ignore as well as by the rock n roll I was activiely interested in. But I always feel like I'm looking for something new. The new thing may be related to the old thing; I'm sure it is. It's just that I never go looking for something because "I loved this when I was 12!" My soft pop obsession is the only thing I can think of which is directly related to stuff I actually liked as teenager. Maybe I experience some kind of nostalgia there, I don't know. I know I've said this before but the poignant aspect to this issue occurs when people tell me "This is the music I liked the last time I was really happy". As soon as I find some kind of job, I'll be out of your hair. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:24:32 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music At 11:02 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Eric Taub wrote: > >I haven't heard of them, but I'd love to hear a report. >Speaking of bridges, I don't remember but has anyone mentioned Bacharach Baroque? Whats that like? It's been mentioned lots of times. But there are (at least) two Bacharach Baroque records. One is German (or Dutch) and it really does try for a baroque harpsichordy sound. It's okay. I wouldn't go out of my way to find it but it's okay. A couple of above average cuts. The OTHER Bacharach Baroque by the Renaissance is American and if you like peppy arrangements, wordless vocals and Bacharach tunes - as I do - it's one of the greatest records ever recorded. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 2001 13:47:05 -0500 From: Eric Taub Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Thanks Alan. I didn't realize there were 2. The one I had heard about = was by Renaissance. This sounds like something I'd like. I've done a = bit of searching on the net for it, but haven't seen it available on a CD. = I'm betting that my fiancee would appreciate the other recording more.=20 Does anyone know if either are available on CD? Thanks- Eric > >It's been mentioned lots of times. But there are (at least) two Bacharach >Baroque records. One is German (or Dutch) and it really does try for a >baroque harpsichordy sound. It's okay. I wouldn't go out of my way to >find it but it's okay. A couple of above average cuts. >The OTHER Bacharach Baroque by the Renaissance is American and if you = like >peppy arrangements, wordless vocals and Bacharach tunes - as I do - it's >one of the greatest records ever recorded. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:52:03 -0500 From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia > But I always feel like I'm looking for something new. The new thing may be > related to the old thing; I'm sure it is. It's just that I never go > looking for something because "I loved this when I was 12!" > My soft pop obsession is the only thing I can think of which is directly > related to stuff I actually liked as teenager. Maybe I experience some > kind of nostalgia there, I don't know. > I know I've said this before but the poignant aspect to this issue occurs > when people tell me "This is the music I liked the last time I was really > happy". In some cases I DO look for albums I listened to when I was a kid, like the Mason Williams Phonograph Record, which I still love. But it's usually not that specific. What I was referring to with regard to Harpsichord was that it evokes the feel of the time, although I don't remember that time for its happiness (and Lord knows, certainly not for its good taste). It's just that I think I liked it then, it disappeared from my life and from radio waves, and now I have the chance to have it back. But, like you, I am even more interested in finding what is new to me, even if it's older than me. I had a happy childhood, but I don't really think I'd want to go back (certainly not to the 70s, which, I agree with bigshot, was a time of wretched, albeit humorous in retrospect, aesthetics). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:20:57 -0500 From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Two U.S. classical labels that issued particularly noteworthy vinyl are the RCA Victor "Living Stereo" series, with the "shaded dog" label (a darker shaded area behind the picture of Nipper), and the Mercury "Living Presence" series. Both were issued in the late 50s/early 60s and are superior examples of the recording art. Mint copies of these recordings are highly sought after by collectors and certain albums in these series can easily sell for in excess of $100. Larry - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Moseley [mailto:charlesm@contentrepublic.com] First you have to find the piece of music - so I'd have to start listening to records in shops, listening to Classic FM, etc. Then you have to get a good recording - Because I wouldn't want to spend a lot on records I'd try to buy it all second hand rather than on new CDs - so you need to know what orchestra, hall and conductor you should be looking for and then you have to go find that vinyl in A1 condition. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:23:51 -0500 From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Tipsy live at The Stork Club/wfmu http://archive.wfmu.org/archive/SC/sc010318.ram # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:17:57 +0300 From: "Antanas Gustys" Subject: (exotica) "Baltic BeBop"(CD review) "Baltic BeBop" by Mel Huang One of the most creative and experimental jazz formations in Lithuania is the Dainius Pulauskas Sextet, which is composed of six incredibly talented jazzmen. On one autumn night in 1998, Dainius Pulauskas staged a fabulous performance in Vilnius, which was later released as an album titled Autumn Suite. The four-part mini-epic goes beyond demonstrating the skills of the musicians, but it is also a mixture of various sub-genres of jazz and sub-links into other genres, such as fusion, freeform, retro, progressive and classical, among others. In other words, the album is highly experimental, full of improvisations and demonstrates what Lithuanian jazz is all about. Led by pianist and keyboardist Dainius Pulauskas, the Sextet descends into hedonistic passages of free expression at one moment only to segue into a structured passage moments later. Pulauskas's use of some retro synthesizer sounds recalls the wild fusion of Joe Zawinul and Chick Corea from the 1970s, but that is only a small fragment of the mosaic of styles and sounds in this piece. At times, Pulauskas's restraint allows the other musicians to really shine, and it also shows a dedication to the composition. The Dainius Pulauskas Sextet is one of the most famous jazz bands in Lithuania. Since forming the sextet, Pulauskas has become famous as an original improviser, composer and arranger in the fusion and rock-jazz realm. One of the most fascinating aspects of this four-part piece is the work of the two percussionists. Drummer Linas Buda, a fabulous technician in his own right, is complemented perfectly by percussionist Arkadi Gotesman, himself a leading drummer. The drums and percussion play more than a backing role here; like in some of the radical fusion acts of earlier years, such as Brand X, the drums at times become the second lead, playing almost impishly in the background above the horns. A good segment of the lead is played by saxophonist-extraordinaire Vytautas Labutis. His remarkable skills enable him to go from Charlie Parker-like anarchy to a lonely alto sax soliloquy, and they show why he has become famous beyond his native Lithuania. Trumpet player Valerijus Ramoska plays a sweet horn, leading the charge often with brassy outbursts to detailed and emotional lines that bring out that autumn feel perfectly. As a bass player myself, I tend to be more critical of bassists than other musicians. However, bassist Vladislav Borkovski is extremely talented and is one of the smoothest walkers I have heard in a long time. In some of the double-time passages his work alongside the percussion is just tantalising. He even employs some choice bass chords during the opening of part three. In a way, this piece is a juxtaposition of contrasting elements. Set in somewhat of a classical structure, a fusion feel soon creates the space for unrestrained improv and silence alike, and, at times, the band even crosses over into the structures of progressive rock. At times, you can almost hear Miles Davis playing with 1970s symphonic Genesis in the latter bits of part three. The horn-sax attack, backed by a dazzling piano and walking bass, conjures up visions of more straightforward jazz; however, that is shattered and reaffirmed almost by the juxtaposition of contrasting bits, whether it comes from the sound effects, the synthesisers, the percussion or from the dazzlingly inspired playing. This four-part piece really does have an autumn feel to it, with the piano so crisp at times that it sounds like rain hitting fallen leaves on the soil. The flugelhorn recreates the melancholy that is in the slowly cooling weather and shortening days of autumn, while the sax conjures up the turbulence of such a season. The percussions take over for calamitous weather, giving the feel of thunder at the precise moments. It is always an amazing feat when musicians can create instrumental works that speak louder than words in describing scenery and environment, but this talented sextet has achieved. The fourth part sees a return to more traditional sound, a fusion sound that has everyone at their strongest. A fascinating ending to a fascinating piece. The Dainius Pulauskas Sextet is one of the most fascinating and talented jazz ensembles in the world right now. Not locked into specific styles and free to float as their imaginations allow them, they are actually pioneers in the free, but sometimes overly restrictive, genre of jazz. The Sextet has won many awards recently, and let us hope that this pushes the musicians to further success on the international jazz scene. Look out New York. Mel Huang, 10 July 2000 Baltics Editor Central Europe Review The Dainius Pulauskas Sextet is: Dainius Pulauskas: piano, synthesisers Valerijus Ramoska: trumpet, flugelhorn Vytautas Labutis: saxes, bass clarinet Vladislav Borkovski: bass Linas Buda: drums Arkady Gotesman: percussions Autumn Suite was recorded live at Vilnius Jazz 98, on 10 October 1998 Comments,requests,booking: e-mail: office@vilniusjazz.lt web: www.vilniusjazz.lt Buy online D. Pulauskas sextet "Autumn suite" CD - http://www.balticshop.com/cgi-bin/affiliate.cgi?JAZZ:ITEM:1650 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #944 *****************************