From: fractint-owner@xmission.com (fractint Digest) To: fractint-digest@xmission.com Subject: fractint Digest V1 #30 Reply-To: fractint@xmission.com Sender: fractint-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: fractint-owner@xmission.com Precedence: fractint Digest Tuesday, October 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 030 In this issue: (fractint) RE: Fractint and Java RE: (fractint) RE: Fractint and Java Re: (fractint) old user, new problem (fractint) textsafe=??? Re: (fractint) textsafe=??? Re: (fractint) Integer v. float Re: (fractint) Why not Java? Re: (fractint) Why not Java? Re: (fractint) Why not Java? RE: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! Re: (fractint) old user, new problem Re: (fractint) Integer v. float Re: (fractint) Books (fractint) Re: Synchronous orbits Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? (fractint) FRACTAL ANIMATIONS (fractint) Color Maps Re: (fractint) Color Maps (fractint) 80-bit long double floating point Re: (fractint) Color Maps See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fractint or fractint-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:57:58 +0100 From: Edward Avis Subject: (fractint) RE: Fractint and Java Two points: - Just because there are dozens of lousy slow buggy etc. fractal generators in Java about on the Web, it doesn't mean they have to be that bad. There are hundreds of really bad fractal programs for DOS, but that doesn't stop Fractint being great. - AFAIK if you install the Java Development Kit (JDK) from Sun, you can save files from Java apps. - -- Ed Avis - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:34:01 +0200 From: Thore Berntsen Subject: RE: (fractint) RE: Fractint and Java To those of You who are discussing Java : There is a very nice Fractint utillity called Filmer written in Java by David Mansfield at : http://ariel.cobite.com/~julian/filmer/ You will even find the source of the program at thos site! Thore Berntsen thbernt@vbdas.no >---------- >From: Edward Avis[SMTP:EPA@datcon.co.uk] >Sent: 13. oktober 1997 16:57 >To: 'fractint-digest@xmission.com' >Subject: (fractint) RE: Fractint and Java > >Two points: > > - Just because there are dozens of lousy slow buggy etc. fractal >generators in Java about on the Web, it doesn't mean they have to be >that bad. > There are hundreds of really bad fractal programs for DOS, but that >doesn't stop Fractint being great. > > - AFAIK if you install the Java Development Kit (JDK) from Sun, you >can save files from Java apps. > >-- >Ed Avis > >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:16:01 -0400 From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: Re: (fractint) old user, new problem Justin Kolodziej wrote: >> The programmers haven't fully implemented it yet, so you only get the >> first 256 colors out of the full color range. There was a way to test >> the truecolor mode, but I forgot what to set debug=3D to to get it. I think it's debug=3D500, then you must use type=3Dtest. - Sylvie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvie_Gallet@CompuServe.com http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/sylvie/gallet.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:17:46 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: (fractint) textsafe=??? I've tried to use the TEXTSAFE=SAVE parameter because when I switch away from Fractint in WIndows to do something else, and then try to switch back, the whole image is trashed! Unfortunately, when I try to do this using the "g" command, Fractint gives me the funny error noise and says, "Oops, I couldn't understand the argument textsafe=save." This seems odd because other people have posted messages saying that they use it. Should I be using this as a command-line parameter, or in a config file, or what? Or is my version of Fractint just busted? Justin K. "I only use Windows because: 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think) :( :*( :^( 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?! ;)" - -Me Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:32:56 -0500 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) textsafe=??? Justin A. Kolodziej wrote: > I've tried to use the TEXTSAFE=SAVE parameter because when I switch away > from Fractint in WIndows to do something else, and then try to switch > back, the whole image is trashed! Unfortunately, when I try to do this > using the "g" command, Fractint gives me the funny error noise and says, > "Oops, I couldn't understand the argument textsafe=save." This seems > odd because other people have posted messages saying that they use it. > Should I be using this as a command-line parameter, or in a config file, > or what? Or is my version of Fractint just busted? Please ignore this. I went and actually tried textsafe=save as a command-line parameter, and it worked! I should really learn to try everything before writing in with a problem... DUH!!!!!! > Justin K. > > "I only use Windows because: > 1. Solaris isn't available for a PC :( > 2. I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation > (I think) :( :*( :^( > 3. When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software > store?! ;)" > -Me > > Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu > - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 1997 22:45:45 +0200 From: Goswin Brederlow Subject: Re: (fractint) Integer v. float "Damien M. Jones" writes: > [NOTE: This is somewhat technical material. Non-programmers should skip > this message.] > > Evin, > > - Well, I say keep the integer math. Despite what some people have said, > - integer math is, in general, faster than floating point, with a few > - exceptions. > > OK, to clarify the point: on an Intel Pentium, the FPU multiply of 64x64 > (mantissa only, exponents are just added) occurs with one-cycle throughput > rather than 10-cycle throughput for a 32x32 integer multiply. This is the > most common case where the FPU is faster. Other cases are square roots (70 > vs. a few hundred, depending on your integer algorithm) and trig or log > functions (huge differences). On an MC68060 its 2 cycles for a 32 Bit int multiply (and the cpu can put that into a pipeline and do other stuff inbetween) and more for fpu. I think even with 64 Bit ints its faster than fpu. This is also true for other cpu's. On intel cpu's the fpu is highly optimized and much faster than the crapy int unit. Thats why you gain with fpu there. I vote against removeing the int code, but for porting it to 32 bit and 64 bit. > MMX will probably not help fractals much. It is true that the MMX multiply > is fast--one cycle to do four 16x16 multiplies--but the catch is, it is > ONLY a 16-bit multiply. Sixteen bits of precision just doesn't get you > very far in fractals; and while it is possible to use this for extended > precision, it is highly unlikely to be faster than the FPU's 64x64 > multiply, especially when you factor in the rest of the work that needs to > be done. you can do x^2 and y^2 at the same time with mmx. You can also emulate a 32/64 Bit multiply with a few four 16x16 multiply cycles. I think it won't be much slower and you also have more registers to store the numbers and don't need to write to memory. > Actually, the problem FractInt has is that multiply instructions (IMUL and > MUL) are *not* pairable instructions on the Pentium, and so not only do > they consume 10-11 cycles each, but they *also* prevent other instructions > from running at the same time. On the PPro and P-II, the assignment of Thats a intel problem and other cpu's should also be considered. > I think the bigger issue is whether it is *worth* porting all that integer > assembly code to a 32-bit environment. Me, I don't think it's worth it. > Yes, there are some folks who have images based on artifacts in the integer > code. I'm not convinced it's worth preserving the artifacting, especially > if it hinders the growth of FractInt in other areas. If I had to choose > between having synchronous orbits working fast, or integer math support in > a 32-bit environment, guess which one I'm gonna choose? (Good thing I > don't decide stuff, huh? :) Why not use a library that does this? There are libraries for n Bit interger operations out there which can be utilised. One just have to find one that is optimised for small integers and one for big integers (>256 Bit). May the Source be with you. Mrvn - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 1997 22:53:43 +0200 From: Goswin Brederlow Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> writes: > [1 ] > In the Integer v. Float thread, the suggestion was made to compile > Fractint in the future using DJGPP. This would produce a 32-bit DOS > application AND have the advantage of being easily portable to other > systems, assuming I remember the discussion correctly. > > My response is: Sure, go ahead with it for now. But for a future > release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) ) why not rewrite the whole > program in Java? This would make the program universally useable (even > on Macintosh(probably)). You're aiming for V50 being Java could be right and before that Version javal probably will in no way be usable for highly cpu demanding stuff like fractals. Fractals are pretty much the only things left that are worth writeing in asm for. Java might or might not ever be fast enough and at the time being its unuseable for anything but dreams and www aplets. If the aim is to have fractint running on any computer then C is the way to go and C is fast enough. Also it's easy to have inline asm for various cpu's. C++ or Objective C is also an option and there isn't a differenc in speed if it's done right. With todays compilers for C its also hardly neccessary to write inline asm for more then the bare core of the formula (if even). On a PPC for example the iner loop of a Mandelbrod Fractal can be written in 6 asm lines, the rest of the programm can be wastefull, because its hardly used. May the Source be with you. Mrvn - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:25:12 -0400 From: Thierry Boudet <101355.2112@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? > Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked, Java didn't > enjoy the writing of files... There was TWO different category of Java programs Java "applets" (downloaded from the Net and running in a browser, in a Web context) can't access the local file system. --> Security Java "applications" (running from the command line) have the same access to the file system than others applications. Best Regards from Toulouse, France. Thierry. p.s. If you remove Int math from Fractint, you can rename "Fractint" to "Fractint" (Fractals are Internationals :-) - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:42:37 -0400 From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? From: Thierry Boudet <101355.2112@compuserve.com> > There was TWO different category of > Java programs > >Java "applets" (downloaded from the Net and running in >a browser, in a Web context) can't access the local file >system. --> Security > >Java "applications" (running from the command line) >have the same access to the file system than others >applications. Ah. Okay, I wasn't sure whether applications had the same limits as applets. >>BKNambo - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------- | H badger@innocent.com | UIN: 1936556 ____ __| |=@==== http://come.to/brocks.place | [ ] TSILB /_ \ / /| | H H H "World Domination Through Trivia" -S3Kitties / /\ \/ / | | H H H Marcher -- Just my imagination -- Nightwatch /_/ \__/ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:38:45 -0400 From: "Robin Y. Millette" Subject: RE: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD83B.6337C280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Derbyshire [SMTP:ao950@freenet.carleton.ca] Sent: dimanche, 12 octobre 1997 23:17 To: fractint@mail.xmission.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated! Dunno. Why do you end every line with "=3D"? I don't do it on purpose... Using Outlook (not Express), that might = explain it according to another poster... Maybe I should hit enter to = finish of my lines... put that only for paragraphs, right? > I'm using Fractint 19.6 in a dos box (4dos, actually :) thru Windows = =3D >95... When I open a dos box, I find out I have 617k of conventionnal = =3D >memory left (not bad I think...). So here is my terrible question: why = =3D >can't I shell to Dos from Fractint? Wherever I am, (menu or image...), = I =3D >hit 'D' but I end up calculating the current image... It does this to me too in Win 95 on my 486dx2 50 with 8 megs ram. It doesn't on my *new P166 with 32 megs RAM ;) ;) ;)*... so it has = something to do with ram/speed. Hum... I have a P90/24Megs... should be such a problem either... But = like I said, it ain't that bad anyhow. [Smallish binary snipped] I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and formulas are welcome though. Again, I don't know where that came from... Is it happening again? I = changed a few options before sending this particular message... An email = might be a better idea... I'm keeping it to Fractint from now on, with one last request: could you = make your subjects meaningfull, especially when replying? Otherwise we = get way off track... CIAO! ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Robin Y. Millette ICQ uin: 1266281 Waglo Institution http://www.generation.net/~millette Answer the Bovine Call! 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BgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AQ4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAA ADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAESACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAA HgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAANcJ - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCD83B.6337C280-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:55:57 PDT From: Nigel Long Subject: Re: (fractint) old user, new problem From: (Originator) Nigel Long, re: Diamond stealth 200 Pro video card. This card uses an S3 Virge chip, and is the OEM version (not retail). Every time I try to access one of the VESA autodetect modes it tells me that this mode is not supported by my card. It works fine with other DOS apps however. I am not interested in the modes greater than 256 colors, but I do have a huge collection of 1024x768x256 images I use all the time, and it would be nice to be able to use them. I am not using windows in any flavour when I try to run Fractint (I have a dual boot configuration). Everything points to Fractint's VESA detection failing with this chipset, but why? since other people seem to have no problems. Are any of you using any kind of extra VESA driver to run the card in DOS? Nigel Long. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ijk@sas.upenn.edu (Ian J Kaplan) Subject: Re: (fractint) Integer v. float In response to someone's comments about relative processor cycles for ints and floats on a 68xxx processor, I would again request that people try and give time comparisons on as many processors as possible, inasmuch as converting numbers that are actually floating-point to integers must itself use some processor time, nu? - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:22:10 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Books Some time ago, the Library of Science book club had an offer where you could get "Fractal Geometry of Nature", "Fractals Everywhere" and another fractal book all for $3 when you joined the club. I'm not sure if they are still making that offer though. I joined on that offer and it was indeed a great deal :) - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:27:53 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: (fractint) Re: Synchronous orbits In article , Evin C Robertson writes: > I just have to ask: What's all this talk about synchronous orbits with > fractals? Did an altavista search and came up with nothing related to > the topic. I had it explained to me once, but now I forget... is it in the sci.fractals FAQ? - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:30:45 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? - ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5101.876846632.1@woody> In article <19971011.090850.10118.1.newstedclan@juno.com> , newstedclan@juno.com writes: > Hey Sylvie, > I tried to run "rand_generic" and got an "undefined function" error > indicating that "3D" was unefined. What did I do wrong? That's what happens when people post messages with the "Content-Encoding" of "printed-quotable". Replace all instances of =XX with the character whose ASCII code is XX in hexadecimal. ASCII chart appended for reference. - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ascii.txt"; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5101.876846632.2@woody> NAME ascii - map of ASCII character set DESCRIPTION The ASCII character set defines a 1-to-1 mapping of characters to 8-bit values: octal: |000 nul |001 soh |002 stx |003 etx |004 eot |005 enq |006 ack |007 bel | |010 bs |011 ht |012 nl |013 vt |014 np |015 cr |016 so |017 si | |020 dle |021 dc1 |022 dc2 |023 dc3 |024 dc4 |025 nak |026 syn |027 etb | |030 can |031 em |032 sub |033 esc |034 fs |035 gs |036 rs |037 us | |040 sp |041 ! |042 " |043 # |044 $ |045 % |046 & |047 ' | |050 ( |051 ) |052 * |053 + |054 , |055 - |056 . |057 / | |060 0 |061 1 |062 2 |063 3 |064 4 |065 5 |066 6 |067 7 | |070 8 |071 9 |072 : |073 ; |074 < |075 = |076 > |077 ? | |100 @ |101 A |102 B |103 C |104 D |105 E |106 F |107 G | |110 H |111 I |112 J |113 K |114 L |115 M |116 N |117 O | |120 P |121 Q |122 R |123 S |124 T |125 U |126 V |127 W | |130 X |131 Y |132 Z |133 [ |134 \ |135 ] |136 ^ |137 _ | |140 ` |141 a |142 b |143 c |144 d |145 e |146 f |147 g | |150 h |151 i |152 j |153 k |154 l |155 m |156 n |157 o | |160 p |161 q |162 r |163 s |164 t |165 u |166 v |167 w | |170 x |171 y |172 z |173 { |174 | |175 } |176 ~ |177 del | hexadecimal: | 00 nul | 01 soh | 02 stx | 03 etx | 04 eot | 05 enq | 06 ack | 07 bel | | 08 bs | 09 ht | 0a nl | 0b vt | 0c np | 0d cr | 0e so | 0f si | | 10 dle | 11 dc1 | 12 dc2 | 13 dc3 | 14 dc4 | 15 nak | 16 syn | 17 etb | | 18 can | 19 em | 1a sub | 1b esc | 1c fs | 1d gs | 1e rs | 1f us | | 20 sp | 21 ! | 22 " | 23 # | 24 $ | 25 % | 26 & | 27 ' | | 28 ( | 29 ) | 2a * | 2b + | 2c , | 2d - | 2e . | 2f / | | 30 0 | 31 1 | 32 2 | 33 3 | 34 4 | 35 5 | 36 6 | 37 7 | | 38 8 | 39 9 | 3a : | 3b ; | 3c < | 3d = | 3e > | 3f ? | | 40 @ | 41 A | 42 B | 43 C | 44 D | 45 E | 46 F | 47 G | | 48 H | 49 I | 4a J | 4b K | 4c L | 4d M | 4e N | 4f O | | 50 P | 51 Q | 52 R | 53 S | 54 T | 55 U | 56 V | 57 W | | 58 X | 59 Y | 5a Z | 5b [ | 5c \ | 5d ] | 5e ^ | 5f _ | | 60 ` | 61 a | 62 b | 63 c | 64 d | 65 e | 66 f | 67 g | | 68 h | 69 i | 6a j | 6b k | 6c l | 6d m | 6e n | 6f o | | 70 p | 71 q | 72 r | 73 s | 74 t | 75 u | 76 v | 77 w | | 78 x | 79 y | 7a z | 7b { | 7c | | 7d } | 7e ~ | 7f del | decimal: | 0 nul | 1 soh | 2 stx | 3 etx | 4 eot | 5 enq | 6 ack | 7 bel | | 8 bs | 9 ht | 10 nl | 11 vt | 12 np | 13 cr | 14 so | 15 si | | 16 dle | 17 dc1 | 18 dc2 | 19 dc3 | 20 dc4 | 21 nak | 22 syn | 23 etb | | 24 can | 25 em | 26 sub | 27 esc | 28 fs | 29 gs | 30 rs | 31 us | | 32 sp | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / | | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 | | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? | | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G | | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O | | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W | | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ | | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g | |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o | |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w | |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ |127 del | - ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:22:33 -0500 From: leenewsted@juno.com (Merle L Newsted Jr) Subject: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ? Hey! Thanks for the chart. Nuke - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:51:09 -0500 From: Cynthia Peterson Subject: (fractint) FRACTAL ANIMATIONS We are looking for programs that create FRACTAL ANIMATIONS. The search is actually to identify companies to approach for a teaming effort to integrate fractal animation capabilities into an existing VB/C++ program. Please send me your suggestions as to where to find such programs. Additionally, if you are an excellent C++ programmer with fractal animation experience interested in being part of an innovative team please respond via email to: peterson@rdbewss.redstone.army.mil - --Cindy peterson@rdbewss.redstone.army.mil (205)876-9247 (205)876-5777 __________________________________________________________ 0000 \\\ """" """" O .. O .. @@ ; ' 00 ' ~ (-) (-) (__) __________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:21:23 -0500 From: leenewsted@juno.com (Merle L Newsted Jr) Subject: (fractint) Color Maps I've just started trying to write my own .map files. And I have some questions. 1. How many combinations are possible? I would think that there are only 256, assuming red=1, grn=1, blu=1 would be the same as red=120, grn=120, blu=120. Otherwise there would seem to be a factorial of colors (256!) 2. Is there a nice list of numbers coordinating with their respective colors? I hope this doesn't come across as TOO lazy. But I will send a FREE Newsted Fractal to anyone who responds! Really! (noe how could you possibly pass THAT up??!!) Thanks, Nuke p.s. Ever observe fractal conversations in your morning meetings? - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:23:32 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Maps In article <19971014.132125.12398.0.leenewsted@juno.com> , leenewsted@juno.com (Merle L Newsted Jr) writes: > 1. How many combinations are possible? I would think that there are only > 256, assuming red=1, grn=1, blu=1 would be the same as red=120, grn=120, > blu=120. Otherwise there would seem to be a factorial of colors (256!) Color maps select 256 colors from a palette of 16.7 million (2^24). So there are 16.7 million distinct colors from which you can select 256 to place in the colormap. > 2. Is there a nice list of numbers coordinating with their respective > colors? I'm not sure what you're asking for here? Typically fractint uses the iteration count as the index into the colormap to color a pixel. Various options change this behavior, and the concept of "iteration count" doesn't have the same meaning for some fractal types (cellular and ifs come to mind) - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:37:57 -0600 From: Rich Thomson Subject: (fractint) 80-bit long double floating point It was asked recently what compilers supported 80-bit long double floating point format. According to the documentation for Borland's C++Builder, it does support this format. - -- ``Between stimulus and response is the will to choose.'' -- Steven Covey =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 3D Paint: The Power to Create in 3D; Rich Thomson email me for more info rthomson@ptc.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:43:35 -0400 (EDT) From: ijk@sas.upenn.edu (Ian J Kaplan) Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Maps Merle L Newsted Jr wrote: > > I've just started trying to write my own .map files. And I have some > questions. > 1. How many combinations are possible? I would think that there are only > 256, assuming red=1, grn=1, blu=1 would be the same as red=120, grn=120, > blu=120. Otherwise there would seem to be a factorial of colors (256!) > You should interpret these as intensities. You're mapping the truecolor, 16.7 million palette (256 cubed, not factorial) to a 256 color palette. 0,0,0, is pure black; 1,1,1, is a very dark grey; 255,255,255 is white. > 2. Is there a nice list of numbers coordinating with their respective > colors? Obviously not, for so many. There are a number of utilities that do nothing but show you what a colorvalue produces; I can't point to any offhand, but as most were made to help write web pages you might look in that direction. The palette editor and the eyedropper tool of any paint program (i.e. paintshop pro at jasc.com) will also be able to do this. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint Digest V1 #30 ***************************** To subscribe to fractint Digest, send the command: subscribe fractint-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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