From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #79 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Sunday, January 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 079 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:07:35 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Attached Neanderthals with 3D disease I'm not quite sure I understand the probl;em. You say you get zero using initial z of sqrt(-c), but that's normal; it's a root, so of COURSE Newton will give zero. You should get nonzero values for initial z of, say sqrt(-c)+epsilon... don't you? - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:37:39 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Newton's method, coloring schemes and GIFs to pars Hi Paul, - ---------- > From: Paul Derbyshire > To: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (fractint) Attached Neanderthals with 3D disease > Date: Saturday, January 17, 1998 11:07 PM > > > I'm not quite sure I understand the probl;em. You say you get zero using > initial z of sqrt(-c), but that's normal; it's a root, so of COURSE Newton > will give zero. You should get nonzero values for initial z of, say > sqrt(-c)+epsilon... don't you? > Oh good grief, I just noticed I put the wrong formula into MathCad, so it of course, gave me the wrong answer. I'm not solving the right problem. I got it working just now. I'll write it up shortly. I'm working on wizzle's question, you see.... Wizzle asked: >This is exactly what I want to do a formula....change it from > pentagonalish to 6 or 7 pointed or 8 or 9 points. Later, and thanks, And Kerry Mitchell wrote about the coloring schemes: > Would you like to collaborate on a paper for Cliff on this? Sure, I think Cliff is interested in what we discuss here. And about the MAKEPAR.BAT... Here is what I do: C:\JAY\FRACTINT.196>makepar wwwwwww C:\JAY\FRACTINT.196>for f makepar=wwwwwww batch=yes Syntax error C:\JAY\FRACTINT.196> C:\JAY\FRACTINT.196>type makepar.bat for %f in (*.gif) do fractint %f makepar=%1 batch=yes I checked my DOS books from PC Magazine, there is nothing wrong with the command. Is this another Micro$oft Win95 thing? Not doing old DOS stuff?? Anyone???? I just tried this which should do dir on each .gif file. C:\JAY\FRACTINT.196>for %f in (*.gif) dir %f Syntax error Oh well.... Jay - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:17:53 +1030 From: Stephen Reynolds Subject: (fractint) Fractint and NT 4.0 Hi On my current machine I used to run the Win 95 O/S. Fractint worked fine and I usually used the: SF6 SuperVGA /VESA Autodetect 800 X 600 X 256 video mode or the : SF7 SuperVGA /VESA Autodetect 1024 X 768 X 256 video mode I changed the O/S to NT 4.0 and find that I can only use a limited number of video modes: F3 IBM 256 color VGA/MCGA video mode. and the Disk/RAM Video for background fractals The machine still has the same hardware and is operating perfectly. Can anybody tell why I can't use my preferred video modes, or is Fractint just not compatible with NT 4.0. Steve - --- Stephen Reynolds - Adelaide - South Australia mailto:spr@ozemail.com.au http://www.ozemail.com.au/~spr/sitework/index.htm - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and NT 4.0 Short and unfortunate answer: NT's DOS support bites the bag. You'll have to go back to Windows 95, stick to disk video, or get another machine with Windows 95; or install a DOS or 95 partition on the NT box and a boot menu. Long answer: NT doesn't support any DOS video except text and VGA, nor DOS access to long file names, nor a host of other things Windows 95 does. Long term solution: Complain to Microsoft. Threaten to install 95 and boycott NT, 98, and any other Windows if it won't support DOS fully. Or something. - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:43:11 +1030 From: Stephen Reynolds Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and NT 4.0 At 04:53 AM 18/01/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Short and unfortunate answer: NT's DOS support bites the bag. You'll have >to go back to Windows 95, stick to disk video, or get another machine with >Windows 95; or install a DOS or 95 partition on the NT box and a boot menu. > >Long answer: NT doesn't support any DOS video except text and VGA, nor DOS >access to long file names, nor a host of other things Windows 95 does. >Long term solution: Complain to Microsoft. Threaten to install 95 and >boycott NT, 98, and any other Windows if it won't support DOS fully. Or >something. Thanks Paul Now that's what I call a quick reply - less than 15 minutes after posting my message to the list. You've saved me wasting a lot of time trying to get the video modes to work; Thanks. I do have and old 486 with Win 95, I'll use that - but it's a bit slow after the Pentium. Steve - --- Stephen Reynolds - Adelaide - South Australia mailto:spr@ozemail.com.au http://www.ozemail.com.au/~spr/sitework/index.htm - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and NT 4.0 >Thanks Paul No problem... >Now that's what I call a quick reply - less than 15 minutes after posting >my message to the list. You've saved me wasting a lot of time trying to get >the video modes to work; Thanks. heh. well, I'm a bit of an addict, often on perpetually during the weekend nights. >I do have and old 486 with Win 95, I'll use that - but it's a bit slow >after the Pentium. Then I strongly suggest making a smallish partition on the NT box with either an old secondhand DOS 5, or DOS 6.22. (Using the Windows 95 install disk from the 486 to put a copy on the partition is probably illegal and would use a heckuva lot more disk. Although then you could multitask, and maybe even run apps off the NT partition unless it uses NTFS and 95 doesn't know NTFS.) - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:46:33 +1100 From: Ben Leighton Subject: (fractint) sunsets in the undecided skies Hi everyone, Here is a mandelbrot derived fractal makeing nice little fluffy white clouds. Okay so there not that fluffy but it was the only song line I could think of. diffuseevents { ; clouds reflecting in the ocean ; Copyright Ben Leighton reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ben.par formulaname=39man center-mag=-0.09654759871689239/+0.32510255536910070/194.0595/1/-45 float=y periodicity=0 colors=000<13>FFFGGGGGH<35>31x20z31z<35>sgfuietie<12>feedddddd<45>beebee\ bdd<44>aaaaaabbb<28>dddeeeddd<21>888 } frm:39man (XAXIS) { ; Tentative Copyright Ben Leighton (this is likely to have been done at some time somewhere) z=a=pixel: a=pixel+(flip(a)-z) z=z*(z-a) +pixel |z| <=4 } P.S what is the deal with copyrighting? don't we endanger (if not legally then reputation wise) ourselves when claiming copy right because someone else may have previously created our formula or worse still invented the main "gimick" of our formula. Most of the time people note that a formula is derivitive but what if they don't know? Does this happen often? :) Ben Ben Leighton, B.Leighton@student.anu.edu.au All my statements are questions? - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:45:11 -0500 From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Lee's Truecol Hi Kathy, >>I had spent a lot of time trying to get the Clouds Over Shiprock" par into fractint and was stopped by the =3D3d problem << Did you try downloading the par file at the web-site? Do you still have this =3D3d problem if you do that?? Lee - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:31:46 EST From: Nature102 Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and NT 4.0 In a message dated 98-01-18 04:54:36 EST, ao950@freenet.carleton.ca writes: << Long term solution: Complain to Microsoft. Threaten to install 95 and boycott NT, 98, and any other Windows if it won't support DOS fully. Or something. >> ::Nods:: I'm with you on this one! :-) ::Pulls out picket signs:: - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:52:47 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Lee's Truecolor PNG site I tested conversion of some of my existing fractint gifs into png and they look just fine!! I'm occasionally not too happy with what happens when I go from gif to jpg.....png is much better. Thanks for all the info folks. And yes...PaintshopPro and my Corel Photopaint both support png just fine. Point to note.....my 270k gif file was reduced to 167k and a 169k gif was reduced to 70k without visible loss of quality. Where is that bandwagon...I'm ready to jump on. does Netscrape support png? Angela At 11:34 AM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Wizzle wrote: > >>Why did [Lee Skinner] select PNG as the format rather than say, tiff or bmp?? > >For a lossless format, PNG is outstanding (much better than Tiff and BMP, and >for 256 colors, GIF), and is *the* format of the near future since it is also >Public Domain (unlike GIF). For Windows 3.1/95 most graphics programs support >PNG, e.g., PhotoShop, PaintShopPro, Graphics Workshop, etc. > >And note that in the next major revision of Fractint, GIF will be drop-kicked >to be replaced by ...... PNG! > >If it's good enough for Tim, it's good enough for me. :^) > >So it behooves everybody to get on the PNG bandwagon as soon as possible and >to get the necessary graphics software to handle PNG images. I archive all of >my ultra-hi-rez images as PNG. > >Jon Noring > >_____________________________________________________________________________ > OmniMedia Digital Publishing | E-Books: http://www.awa.com/library/omnimedia > 9671 S. 1600 West St. | Digital/Fractal Art: (coming soon!) > South Jordan, UT 84095 | > 801-253-4037 | E-mail: omnimedia@netcom.com >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Try the FRACTAL ART mailing list. To subscribe to it, send e-mail to >majordomo@aros.net and put the appropriate line in the body of the message: > subscribe fractal-art > > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:42:39 EST From: Nature102 Subject: Re: (fractint) Lee's Truecolor PNG site In a message dated 98-01-18 10:41:09 EST, wizzle@cci-internet.com writes: << I'm occasionally not too happy with what happens when I go from gif to jpg..... >> Only occasionally? .JPG is the most utterly annoying image file format in existence. :-P - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:50:30 -0500 From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) Lee's Truecol Angela, I tested conversion of some of my existing fractint gifs into png and the= y look just fine!! I'm occasionally not too happy with what happens when I = go from gif to jpg.....png is much better.....my 270k gif file was reduced t= o 167k and a 169k gif was reduced to 70k without visible loss of quality. <= < But don't convert any long-time-to-generate-Gifs to PNG if you may want t= o zoom into them later. Until Fractint accepts PNG, all of the Fractint parameter information will be lost when you go to PNG. Lee - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:16:56 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Finally, answers vs questions Mark writes >Thanks to Angela (for asking for the formula), Janet (for posting it to >the list), and Linda (for creating it). Here are a couple of images for >peer review; my apologies in advance if I've inadvertenly duplicated >someone else's work (the variables that worked best were so simple >and obvious that they've probably been done). Mark... Very nice images!!! I hadn't tried epsilon cross and I like the way your first star came out......that is one great formula, huh?? I did edit out the red, though which I found a bit too busy....I matched the red to the grey. You might want to try Sylvie Gallet's variation of Linda's formula too...here's a re-post just in case you missed it the first time 051597-002-m1 {; Linda Allison May 15, 1997 ; modified by Sylvie Gallet ; 1st parameter: real(p1) = bailout ; 2nd parameter: imag(p1) = number of sides z = 0 c = 0.2 * log(pixel^imag(p1)) : z2 = fn1(z) + c , sqz2 = sqr(z2) z = c * (1-sqz2)/(1+sqz2) |z| <= p1 } Since you can increase the number of sides, color mapping starts to become a challenge as the images become more busy. I used a seven sided star on my color mapping page as an example for that reason. For the formula fiddlers.....replacing sqr in Linda's formula with tan and adding a constant introduces some very interesting complexities to the images. Thanks again to Linda and Sylvie for giving us this great toy. At 11:08 PM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks to Angela (for asking for the formula), Janet (for posting it to >the list), and Linda (for creating it). Here are a couple of images for >peer review; my apologies in advance if I've inadvertenly duplicated >someone else's work (the variables that worked best were so simple >and obvious that they've probably been done). > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:34:07 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) Lee's Truecol Lee.. Yuppers...knew that...know that adding a border to a fractint gif or text (like my copyright) also goofs up the code. I do a lot of graphics for the web....and even like jpg for some applications (buttons and thumbnails). BTW....I've collaborated with a web friend at http://www.enchantress.net/fractals/ She uses my fractals to make really nice backgrounds....and I've got her fractinting too!!! Nother question..... I'd like to print some of my fractals .....say in about 24" x 18" size .....suitable for framing. What is the best way to go about getting a good quality print? I've never done any publishing at all so would appreciate very step by step advice, including mail order sources for printing....although I'm in lost angeles and could probably find a printer here if I understand what is required. My largest fractals are in the 1024 x 768 format. Angela At 10:50 AM 1/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Angela, > >I tested conversion of some of my existing fractint gifs into png and they >look just fine!! I'm occasionally not too happy with what happens when I go >from gif to jpg.....png is much better.....my 270k gif file was reduced to >167k and a 169k gif was reduced to 70k without visible loss of quality. << > >But don't convert any long-time-to-generate-Gifs to PNG if you may want to >zoom into them later. Until Fractint accepts PNG, all of the Fractint >parameter information will be lost when you go to PNG. > >Lee > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:40:37 EST From: Bill at NY Subject: Re: (fractint) compilations and explanations of coloring schemes As those of you who visit alt.binaries.pictures.fractals know, I've written a tutorial to help new Fractint users get up and running. Nothing elaborate, just the basics. I'll gladly offer it as a basis for expansion if anyone wants to add on more info about coloring schemes (or anything else for that matter.) I'm going to make the tutorial available at my web site on the Links page as well, hopefully by later today. http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm Bill - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:36:57 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) sunsets in the undecided skies Ben... Someone has said that a copyright is only a right to sue. Basic processes, such as math, can not be copyrighted, btw. Algorithms or programs, such as fractint, can be copyrighted to some degree.....but program interfaces cannot be copied so long as the code is altered. Images can be copyrighted but the copyright may not be sustained if the image is "substantially" altered (which it can be). I would say it's anyone's best guess if the formulas written for fractint can be copyrighted. And frankly, why bother? In order to do anything with the copyright you have to sustain a lengthy and expensive legal process..........I can see maybe doing that for fractint.....but for a formula? The opinions expressed herewith are those of the aforementioned author, are tendered without warranty or surreties, and are expressly exempt from liability as to incicental, indirect or consequential damages. Your in double-speak Wizzle (an unregistered trademark - email herein copyright 1998 except as expressly copyrighted by ben (who does not have an exclusive right to the name "ben") At 10:46 PM 1/18/98 +1100, you wrote: > > >Hi everyone, > > Here is a mandelbrot derived fractal makeing nice little fluffy >white clouds. Okay so there not that fluffy but it was the only song line I >could think of. > > >diffuseevents { ; clouds reflecting in the ocean > ; Copyright Ben Leighton > reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ben.par formulaname=39man > center-mag=-0.09654759871689239/+0.32510255536910070/194.0595/1/-45 > float=y periodicity=0 > colors=000<13>FFFGGGGGH<35>31x20z31z<35>sgfuietie<12>feedddddd<45>beebee\ > bdd<44>aaaaaabbb<28>dddeeeddd<21>888 > } > > >frm:39man (XAXIS) { >; Tentative Copyright Ben Leighton (this is likely to have been done at some >time somewhere) >z=a=pixel: >a=pixel+(flip(a)-z) >z=z*(z-a) +pixel >|z| <=4 >} > > >P.S what is the deal with copyrighting? don't we endanger (if not legally >then reputation wise) ourselves when claiming copy right because someone >else may have previously >created our formula or worse still invented the main "gimick" of our >formula. Most of the time people note that a formula is derivitive but what >if they don't know? Does this happen often? > > > :) Ben >Ben Leighton, B.Leighton@student.anu.edu.au > > All my statements are questions? > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:43:26 -0600 From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Gamma values Do any of you use the "gamma value" command while editing your palettes? If so, how do you make use of it and what are the results? Bob Margolis rttyman@wwa.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:13:32 -0600 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and NT 4.0 Nature102 wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-18 04:54:36 EST, ao950@freenet.carleton.ca writes: > > << Long term solution: Complain to Microsoft. Threaten to install 95 and > boycott NT, 98, and any other Windows if it won't support DOS fully. Or > something. >> > > ::Nods:: I'm with you on this one! :-) ::Pulls out picket signs:: More extreme solution: Dump Windows entirely in favor of Linux and XFree86, where you can make fractals *any* size using the -geometry flag of XFractint. Of course, if you want your fractals to fill the whole screen, this may not be the best option... SVgaLib Fractint anyone? :) P.S. I, unfortunately, still have to use WinBlows occasionally, but only because my printer doesn't understand Postscript and there's something called "DirectX" that has nothing to do with X. :( > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -- Justin A. Kolodziej Why pay for an OS when you can get one for free? Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:22:49 -0600 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Re: (fractint) Chat Room Blake Hyde wrote: > > WHAT?! I'm going to find another chat room software. One without banner ads. > I did NOT intend for anything like that to be on there. > > :Blake... > : > :Like what's with the ad for a sex book???? I think I'll pass on the room > Maybe that's why no one was there... they saw the ad, thought "What a low-down dirty trick! I thought this was a FRACTAL chat room," and left. I was going to check it out, but it seems you took it down already... :( (Don't get me wrong, the ad's not the real reason) - -- Justin A. Kolodziej Why pay for an OS when you can get one for free? Justin Kolodziej is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Marquette University is 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:46:14 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Finally, answers vs questions At 08:16 AM 1/18/98 -0800, Angela wrote (re Linda's formula): > I hadn't tried epsilon cross and I like the way your >first star came out......that is one great formula, huh?? Yup! I'm playing with your tangent variant now. > I did edit out >the red, though which I found a bit too busy....I matched the red to the grey. Yeah, I know. I've developed this compulsion (probably from too much time in real and virtual darkrooms doing color balancing) for balancing palette colors so that the average image color is approximately neutral (grey). Plus there were thematic reasons for including a dark red. If any of you are Babylon 5 fans, how many themes from the show can you find in the image (5s01)? Just curious. Mark / AKA Bud - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:47:07 +0100 From: guy.marson@mnhn.lu (Guy Marson) Subject: (fractint) simplgif update - --=====================_885174427==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Tim, Not knowing if I'm able to reach you at @phoenix.net, I send this .zip to @xmission.com... There is a strange behaviour of SIMPLGIF.EXE considering the TYPE=JULIBROT.. The attached files are: * ORIGINAL.PAR is the original.par-file for a 3D-fractal (stereoscopic, for crossed-eyes viewing). Let it run to see the "original" image. * the makemig.bat is produced by simplgif.exe (update ver.) * the timtst2.par is also produced by simplgif.exe (update ver.) The resulting fractmig.gif works well but dont show the original image and the produced image is repeated 5 (x5) times (in this case). I must say that this effect is not bad (I must think about what I can do with it), but the effect is surely unwanted.. Will make further tests... 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Prints at 300 dpi. Extremely inexpensive, as it prints on plain paper and takes only a few minutes. I use one at my work, but you can find them occasionally at blueprint service shops. If you follow this up, plaese let me know, as I have some tips for getting an optimal image. - -Marty K >>> Wizzle 01/18/98 08:34AM >>> .snip .... Nother question..... I'd like to print some of my fractals .....say in about 24" x 18" size .....suitable for framing. What is the best way to go about getting a good quality print? I've never done any publishing at all so would appreciate very step by step advice, including mail order sources for printing....although I'm in lost angeles and could probably find a printer here if I understand what is required. My largest fractals are in the 1024 x 768 format. Angela At 10:50 AM 1/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Angela, > >I tested conversion of some of my existing fractint gifs into png and they >look just fine!! I'm occasionally not too happy with what happens when I go >from gif to jpg.....png is much better.....my 270k gif file was reduced to >167k and a 169k gif was reduced to 70k without visible loss of quality. << > >But don't convert any long-time-to-generate-Gifs to PNG if you may want to >zoom into them later. Until Fractint accepts PNG, all of the Fractint >parameter information will be lost when you go to PNG. > >Lee > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #79 *****************************