From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #120 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Tuesday, March 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 120 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:01:17 -0700 From: Rich Thomson Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandexp fractals In article <019401bd4557$b7f1f280$6282cdcf@MS202705> , "Peter Gavin" writes: > Can someone explain to me how I can make a 3D fractal, if I use "c= x + yi" > (the current point) and "w" is the third coordinate, and plug them into the > formula Depends on what you mean by "3D fractal". Can you be more specific? > "z(n+1) = z(n) ^ w + c" > > It's kinda like sliding the mandexp set through a third dimension and using > that corrdinate as the real exponent component. If this is possible, and > you understand what I am saying, email me back... I don't know if its possible yet, since I don't know what you're asking for :) - -- Rich Thomson rthomson@ptc.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:25:54 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) julias I took a day off and...of course...fractaled... In my browsings...I ran across this absolutlely delightful julia ......and the pars below are a tweek on the original parameters. Thanks to whoever originally posted this julia. Please please please.....when posting pars...identify yourselves on the first line. I do so enjoy all the postings and would like to thank all the contributors but am lazy and only look at the information visible when I open the par.....that is limited to the name of the par and whatever you feel is most urgent to say....to me...your name is tops!!! Hey....initials are fine....avw is me. I want to be able to say thanks or whatever. While the julias aren't original...at least my color maps are...and each julia has a new wizzle map....enjoy. laser_julia { ; with the laser2.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 params=-1.746917245/0.00337591395 maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000G8M<3>c0v<14>l`xmcylbx<20>BAX<5>22t00y01u<6>7AP7BK6AH<5>000222\ <14>biq<14>KPS<3>000110<8>HHDJJELLGNNI<14>wwl<18>GGCDDACC9AA8996<3>_00<1\ 2>z00y00<13>Y0DW0ES0K<5>00y<14>Y0X`0Va3W<14>xvj<5>qeXobVnZS<7>cA9aA9ZA9W\ 9JT99<7>559<2>A9D } laser_juli2 { ; with the deeps9.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 params=-1.746917245/0.00337581395 maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000U30<3>K0K<12>mUm<28>J69I58I47J35J24<15>mAK<11>J14G02E02C01A00<\ 2>0GG<11>0zz<15>000<15>00z<10>00K<15>Amw<11>0D3<14>0zm<12>C0C<14>SivUmzU\ jw<14>G0A<12>zmm<12>X74 } laser_juli3 { ; with the deeps8.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 params=-1.746917245/0.00337560395 maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000q`Z<9>U30<3>K0J<12>mUl<34>C00<5>VNHYRK`VO<7>zzl<15>0CB<12>0zy<\ 15>000<15>00y<11>00F<14>zzl<10>0A0<5>0TH0XK0_O<7>0zl<12>C0B<14>SiuUmyUjv\ <14>G09<12>zml<2>scb } laser_juli4 { ; with the deeps7.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 params=-1.746917345/0.00337560395 maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=0000eS<5>0zm<13>080040000<15>z0z<14>40400K<15>zzz<14>44N<2>4A45D5\ <13>QvjSzmRwj<14>C00<15>zzm<15>0CC<12>0zz<15>000<15>00z<15>000<15>zzm<15\ >0000700F0<6>0aP } laser_juli5 { ; with the deeps6.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 params=-1.746917325/0.00337560375 maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000eZS<15>N75M54N77<13>alpcrt<15>00O<7>czt<24>0A04A1<2>IA9<21>wzn\ <19>K0B<4>V5HX6IZ7Ja9KcALfBM<6>wKT<15>K09<16>ipv<9>K0R<10>zzl<22>L28<18>\ wwl<4>pmdnkbmjalh`<4>f_U } laser_juli6 { ; with the deeps5.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 params=-1.746917425/0.00337560375 maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000VGH<4>L28<18>wwl<4>pmdnkbmjalh`<22>M54K32K35<2>K1FK0JM5M<8>crt\ <15>00O<7>crt<17>U0T<7>H0TF0TG2T<22>wzn<19>K0B<16>wKb<15>K09<16>ipv<9>K0\ R<10>zzl<16>WIJ } p.s. I would dearly love to understand why this is a squarish type of julia....if the explanation isn't too terribly mathematical. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:33:15 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandexp fractals Pete... Les St. Clair recently posted some 3D fractals.....check out his awesome site at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ and he posted the pars for some of his 3D stuff here as well. I think if you download his pars.....and check out the documentation in fractint about the 3D feature...you will be well on your 3D way. I found the methodology pretty simple once Les got me going. I even made a 3D fractal of my own!!! ((thank you les)) Angela aka wizzle : > >In article <019401bd4557$b7f1f280$6282cdcf@MS202705> , > "Peter Gavin" writes: >> Can someone explain to me how I can make a 3D fractal, if I use "c= x + yi" >> (the current point) and "w" is the third coordinate, and plug them into the >> formula > >Depends on what you mean by "3D fractal". Can you be more specific? > >> "z(n+1) = z(n) ^ w + c" >> >> It's kinda like sliding the mandexp set through a third dimension and using >> that corrdinate as the real exponent component. If this is possible, and >> you understand what I am saying, email me back... > >I don't know if its possible yet, since I don't know what you're >asking for :) >-- > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:06:08 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Pixel units Hi gurus, What are the units of the variable Pixel ??? If I want to swap re for im, I use flip but what if I want to flip a picture upside down in the formula? Do I write 1-Pixel ???? Jay - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:03:42 -0500 From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) Pixel units You can use the conjugate of the point variable -- you just replace every instance of 'z' with 'conj(z)' (or whatever :) ) This works because the conjugate of 'a + bi' is 'a - bi', thus, every point above the axis is mapped below the axis. To flip it over the y-axis, use '-conj(z)', which would change 'a + bi' to '-a + bi'. Pete - -----Original Message----- From: Jay Hill To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 7:34 PM Subject: (fractint) Pixel units >Hi gurus, > >What are the units of the variable > >Pixel > >??? > >If I want to swap re for im, I use flip but what >if I want to flip a picture upside down in the formula? >Do I write > >1-Pixel > >???? > >Jay > > >- >------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net >Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:36:54 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) julias Hi Wizzle, Julias look like the region around the spot in the MSet specified by the parameters. So in your post.... ;laser_juli6 { ; with the deeps5.map by wizzle ; ; a classic julia from an earlier posting ; reset=1960 type=julia ; corners=-0.00277179852/0.00276993029/-0.00277080387/0.00277092494 ; params=-1.746917425/0.00337560375 ;^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is the location in M. Now you must zoom in until you see the 'same' pattern. I have zoomed in to look for the midget. It is off a little, probably due to your not using floating. So in the following I moved over a bit, then hit space to get the Julia. (I'm taking a break from the massive testing at work, the machine is rebooting.) Jay laser_juli6-M { ; Part of M (JHill) based on Julia coordinates ; with the deeps5.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.746917425/0.0033756037/400641 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=500 colors=000VGH<4>L28<18>wwl<4>pmdnk\ bmjalh`<20>O87N75M54K32K35K28K2CK1FK0J\ <9>crt<15>00O<7>crt<16>V3VU0TS0T<6> \H0TF0TG2T<22>wzn<19>K0B<16>wKb<15>K09\ <16>ipv<9>K0R<10>zzl<16>WIJ } laser_juli6-M2 { ; Part of M (JHill) moved over to midget ; with the deeps5.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.74691725213336500/+0.00337583023647279/2.040407e+008 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000VGH<4>L28<18>wwl<4>pmdnk\ bmjalh`<22>M54K32K35<2>K1FK0JM6N<8>crt\ <15>00O<7>crt<16>V3VU0TS0T<7>F0T<23>w\ zn<19>K0B<16>wKb<15>K09<16>ipv<9>K0\ R<10>zzl<16>WIJ } laser_juli6-M2j { ; (JHill) Julia for midget ; with the deeps5.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=julia center-mag=-0.00000000000000012/+0.00000000000000009/498.9002 params=-1.746917252106023/0.00337583026110084 float=y maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000VGH<4>L28<18>wwl<4>pmdnk\ bmjalh`<22>M54K32K35<2>K1FK0JM6N<8>crt\ <15>00O<7>crt<16>V3VU0TS0T<7>F0T<23>\ wzn<19>K0B<16>wKb<15>K09<16>ipv<9>K0\ R<10>zzl<16>WIJ } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:51:02 -0500 From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: (fractint) Video modes I'm rather annoyed... I have several fractals I started in 1024x768x256 svga mode, and I want to run them in batch mode in the background in win95, using disk-video... But whenever I run them, fractint uses the svga mode I used when I saved them. Does anyone know a way around this?... Thanks, Pete - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:56:03 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) julias Wizzle wrote: >p.s. I would dearly love to understand why this is a squarish type of >julia....if the explanation isn't too terribly mathematical. The Julia set image has to have all the features seen around the parameter spot in the Mandelbrot set. So at lower magnification in M we have the following (see par). This shows up first twice then four times in M when we zoom in. And so it also does as we zoom into the Julia. You chose a zoom that shows the four fold and so it looks squarish. Try this par at all zooms into the midget. Then press space twice and watch all zooms in the Julia. See the same sort of 'stuff'. Jay laser_juli6-M2-pre { ; Part of M (JHill) based on Julia coordinates ; preimage at lower magnification ; with the deeps5.map by wizzle ; a classic julia from an earlier posting reset=1960 type=mandel center-mag=-1.74691725213336500/+0.00337583023647279/5154.412 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=500 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000VGH<4>L28<18>wwl<4>pmdnk\ bmjalh`<20>O87N75M54K32K35K28K2CK1FK0J\ <9>crt<15>00O<7>crt<16>V3VU0TS0T<7>F0T\ <23>wzn<19>K0B<16>wKb<15>K09<16>ip\ v<9>K0R<10>zzl<16>WIJ } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:42:35 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Pixel units Pete wrote >You can use the conjugate of the point variable -- you just replace every >instance of 'z' with 'conj(z)' (or whatever :) ) This works because the >conjugate of 'a + bi' is 'a - bi', thus, every point above the axis is >mapped below the axis. To flip it over the y-axis, use >'-conj(z)', which would change 'a + bi' to '-a + bi'. I'm using something like this. w=Pixel c=transformation(w); transformation involves exp and other stuff, ; very nonlinear. z=0: and then the usual Mandelbrot like iteration But I'm trying in the w= step to get the upside down of the image. I tried w=1-Pixel and since the image is centered at 2.5 I try w=2.5-real(Pixel)+imag(Pixel) but I usually get black screen, not what I expect. Jay - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:27:13 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) Fix needed for F-tint 20 Michael wrote: > I set up a 1.13M formula file and got the message that there were > too many entries and only the first 2000 were being used. No problem > with names running into each other though. This is exactly my situation. The limit of 2000 is built in, but Bob is getting a bad failure much sooner. Unfortunately, if I can't duplicate it, I can't debug it. Must have to do with some peculiarity of Bob's setup. Thanks for the report. Tim - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:59:38, -0500 From: VRCH78B@prodigy.com (MR CHARLES F CROCKER) Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) Fix needed for F-ti Tim I suppose negative results don't prove anything but in the Orgform compilation Bob Carrs formulas list perfectly up to about a thousand. I would have to give Fractint a high score on formatting the results to fit the longest name in a collection. It worked as well with one of my collections that had 200 entries with much longer formula names. Charles - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:47:28 -0700 (MST) From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Video modes Peter, You need to make sure you have the 1024x768x256 disk video mode specified in your fractint.cfg file. For simplicity, I'll assume that it's invoked by "af10" (alt-f10). Then, you should be able to regenerate fract001.gif which was started with 1024x768x256 svga, by running the batch file with this command in it: fractint filename=fract001 video=af10 batch=yes If that doesn't work, save the offending parameters to a par file, and either specify "video=af10" in the par, or in the batch file, as above. Kerry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Peter Gavin wrote: > I'm rather annoyed... I have several fractals I started in 1024x768x256 > svga mode, and I want to run them in batch mode in the background in win95, > using disk-video... But whenever I run them, fractint uses the svga mode I > used when I saved them. Does anyone know a way around this?... > > Thanks, > Pete > > > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:47:28 -0700 (MST) From: Kerry Mitchell Subject: Re: (fractint) Video modes Peter, You need to make sure you have the 1024x768x256 disk video mode specified in your fractint.cfg file. For simplicity, I'll assume that it's invoked by "af10" (alt-f10). Then, you should be able to regenerate fract001.gif which was started with 1024x768x256 svga, by running the batch file with this command in it: fractint filename=fract001 video=af10 batch=yes If that doesn't work, save the offending parameters to a par file, and either specify "video=af10" in the par, or in the batch file, as above. Kerry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry Mitchell lkmitch@primenet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Peter Gavin wrote: > I'm rather annoyed... I have several fractals I started in 1024x768x256 > svga mode, and I want to run them in batch mode in the background in win95, > using disk-video... But whenever I run them, fractint uses the svga mode I > used when I saved them. Does anyone know a way around this?... > > Thanks, > Pete > > > > - > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:49:14 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: (fractint) par I was messing around with Sylvie's variation on the gravijul formula....and this image really does seem to be worth sharing...it has a new colormap too. glitter_x { ; wizzle 1998 ; frm gjv2 by Sylvie Gallet reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=mar98.frm formulaname=gravijul-v2 function=asinh/log/log center-mag=0.0255918/-0.109246/0.1625985/1.3333 params=3/1.5/0/0/4/0 float=y maxiter=300 inside=0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=ZZj<7>mmz<23>22D00A008<2>000<2>000000123<18>SpwUszTqw<16>23400000\ 0<4>000000211<3>B56A0A<34>xxuzzwyyv<26>K88I66F55<3>000<2>000000112<3>336\ 000437<21>JGTKHUKHT<8>ECKDBICAHBAGB9FA8E<12>111000000000<3>0008043016030\ 0A<17>XXh cyclerange=0/255 } gravijul-v2 { ; Variation on Mark Christenson's gravijul by Sylvie Gallet z = pixel : w = fn1(real(z)) , x = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) w = fn1(imag(z)) , y = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) z = x + flip(y) + p2 |z| < p3 } Thanks everyone for a great formula!! - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:15:01 From: "Lavondyss" Subject: (fractint) posted par or frm files How do I get the posted parameter files and or formula files to work when they are sent through e-mail? I've tried renaming them. Am I just doing it wrong? Please help. Frustrated Fractineer - -Lavondyss - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:27:13 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: (fractint) simplgif I have uploaded a massively revised simplgif program to ftp://ftp.phoenix.net/pub/USERS/twegner/simplgif.zip I'd appreciate hearing results of any testing, and which executable is better. Included are executables compiled with MSC (large model) and djgpp and the C source. I haven't tried, but I would expect the source to complile with minimal problems under Unix. I did some editing of the encoder and decoder sources, mostly unifying some typedefs and "ansifying" the old K&R style. However, I felt it would be unwise to edit the reliable encoding and decoding sources too radically. Given the variable quality of GIF sources, I am really happy with the compress encoder and Steve Bennett's decoder. This version has a new decoder, basically the same one as in Fractint. Let me know if you have any suggestions. The buffering scheme used in reading and writing the tempory file is the same as in the original simplgif by Bert Tyler. This could be made more efficient. I made a start at eliminating signed 16 bit integers in favor of unisgned, so that simplgif would work with 64K rows. I doubt this is complete, so most likely the limit is 32K. Tim - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractdev, The Fractint Developer's Discussion List Post Message: fractdev@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractdev" - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: FIRSTNAME LASTNAME Subject: Re: (fractint) posted par or frm files - ---Lavondyss wrote: > > How do I get the posted parameter files and or formula files to work when > they are sent through e-mail? I've tried renaming them. Am I just doing it > wrong? Please help. > > Frustrated Fractineer > -Lavondyss > One "possible" problem might be one I've had alot of trouble with. Look for the color area in the PAR, if it's double spaced that won't read in properly with FRACTINT. Example : color=675dfgf8787tolk9o9898g979g97gf <7889787875875jk897gf>897897f87f<86 9867ihv8ycfuiovuivyuiv9 The last line might need that gap as it's first character (as we all know computers read empty spaces as actual commands or command structures) but combine the lines like below and it should work. (note it's still jiberish, just an example) color=675dfgf8787tolk9o9898g979g97gf <7889787875875jk897gf>897897f87f<86 9867ihv8ycfuiovuivyuiv9 Hopfully I haven't left you more confused, if I Did sorry. James R. McKenzie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:38:56 -0500 From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) posted par or frm files Lavondyss wrote >How do I get the posted parameter files and or formula files to work when >they are sent through e-mail? Getting from a message to an image drawing on your screen does take a fair amount of knowledge of how Fractint works. First, make sure you have the most recent version of Fractint, currently 19.6. Each new release incorporates new features, and many current postings will only work with the latest version. Second, a word about directories. Unless you give instructions to Fractint to the contrary (via special command line options or in a file called "sstools.ini"), Fractint will look for all relevant files in the same directory where Fractint.exe is located. Starting off, it is probably easiest simply to use the one directory. As you get more familiar with the program, you will learn how to create separate subdirectories for the various kinds of files, and how to tell Fractint where those subdirectories are. Finally, the information which Fractint uses to draw an image is contained in ASCII text files with entries in the form: Name {; comments various commands } The relevant entries are 1. Parameter entries. These are entries with commands such as type=xxx colors=lots_of_Martian, etc. Usually, the first command is "reset=####", where the #### is the version of fractint which was in use when the entry was originally created. Don't worry about that; if a version earlier than 19.6 was used, the current version will still draw the image. Parameter entries contain all the information needed for fractint to draw an image, unless "type=formula", in which case fractint will need to find the formula. The name of the formula is identified in the entry with the command "formulaname=xxx". There is also usually a command in the parameter entry "formulafile=xxx.frm", but this is not important, because Fractint is quite clever in searching for and finding formulas. More about that later. "type=ifs" and "type=lsystem" also require fractint to find the relevant ifs or lsystem entries, but postings with these commands are reletively rare, so I wouldn't worry about that now. Parameter entries contained in messages should be copied to a DOS text file with the extension ".par". You can use any name you want for the file, such as 1998msg.par. Just copy the text of the message to the .par file, and then edit it to delete everything except the parameter entry or entries contained in the message (in each case beginning with the name of the entry and ending with the "}"). Don't delete the original message yet if there are formulas in the message! Those entries will be copied to a separate file. Occasionally, problems are caused by the email software which people use to post these entries. Take a look at each entry; there should be no blank lines, and for the long commands such as colors=, the last character of the intermediate lines should be a "\". 2. Formula entries. When the parameter entry is "type=formula", fractint must find the named formula in order to draw the image. A formula has the same overall structure as a parameter entry, i.e. Name {; comments various calculation instructions } and are pretty easy to identify; they have assignment instructions such as z=pixel or c=sin(pixel); a ":" will appear somewhere in the formula; and in some you will see flow control instructions such as IF (x==y) etc. Formulas need to be copied to a DOS text file with the extension ".frm". Any name is OK, such as "1998msg.frm". Edit the file to delete everything except the formula entry or entries. If an entry name is preceded with "frm:", delete the "frm:". This is a feature which permits the formula to be included in a .par file, but it is a good habit, I think, to get the formulas into files with the .frm extension. That way they will be available for general use and not just the initial drawing of the related parameter entry. 3. Ifs and Lsystem entries. The general format is the same, but the information in these entries looks quite a bit different. They should be copied to files with extensions ".ifs" and ".L" respectively, and any preceding "ifs:" or "lsys:" edited out. Now, to run the parameter entry. 1. Go to your fractint directory and start Fractint. 2. Select your video mode. 3. Hit Shift-2 (the "@" key). This will probably bring up a list of parameter entries in the default .par file "fractint.par". 4. Hit F6. This exits fractint.par and shows you a list of .par files in the default directory. Presumably, your 1998msg.par will be one of them. Put the cursor on it, and hit . This will show you a list of the parameter entries in that .par file. 5. Move the cursor to the entry you want to draw, and hit . 6. The image should start drawing. Enjoy. 7. You can zoom, change parameters, and do anything else that fractint permits you to do with an image. Important commands to do these things are Page-UP (for zooming), and "x", "y", and "z" for changing various options. You can save the image by hitting "s". You can create your own parameter entry by hitting "b" and entering the requested information. Finally, if you want to draw your own image using a formula, hit "t" from any image screen or the main menu, select type "formula", and hit F6 to get out of the default fractint.frm list of formulas to see a list of .frm files. Select the file you are interested in, hit , and select the formula you want to draw. Before drawing the formula, Fractint will show you the formula text and provide space for entering user specified variables (p1, p2, and p3) and user specified functions (fn1, fn2, fn3, and fn4), if any. You can change your selections at any time the image is drawing by hitting "z". George Martin - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 07:09:06 -0800 From: Wizzle Subject: Re: (fractint) posted par or frm files George... I thought yours was an excellent explanation. Would you mind if I copied it and posted it at my website along with several other lessons I have there? In the very few months I've been on this list this question has materialized several times so it seems worthwhile to have it permanently available for reference. Angela At 06:38 AM 3/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >Lavondyss wrote > >>How do I get the posted parameter files and or formula files to work when >>they are sent through e-mail? > > >Getting from a message to an image drawing on your screen does take a fair >amount of knowledge of how Fractint works. > > First, make sure you have the most recent version of Fractint, currently >19.6. Each new release incorporates new features, and many current postings >will only work with the latest version. > > <> > >George Martin > > - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:36:54 -0500 From: George Martin <76440.1143@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) posted par or frm files Angela, > I thought yours was an excellent explanation. Would you mind if I copied it and posted it at my website < Sure, go ahead. I think it will be better to be able simply to refer someone to your website rather than repeating the explanation in this message base each time the question comes up. George - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:39:02 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) gravijul-v3 Seeing Sylvie's gravijul-v3 has reminded me of a question that has been in the back of my mind for some time. I have a basic understanding of complex math; mulitiplication is no problem, but raising to fractional or complex powers is a total mystery to me. Can anyone point me to a good tutorial? No need to bore the whole list, please just send the URL or book/article title. Thanks, Bud - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:50:15 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) gravijul-v3 - addendum I wrote: > No need to bore the whole list, please just send the URL or book/article title. > What I *meant* to say was: please just send the URL or book/article title (to the list), as opposed to the article itself. I'm sure the subject would be of general interest, I just didn't want to waste bandwidth with a post of the whole enchilada. Bud - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:00:21 From: "Lavondyss" Subject: Re: (fractint) posted par or frm files Thanx J.R. McKenzie. I'll try to that next time I run across some par/frm - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:21:53 From: "Lavondyss" Subject: (fractint) thanx George, Thanx for the explanation. It was somewhat drawn out, but I got what I asked for. I've been using Fractint for quite a while, but not very intuitive about converting the posted files into what Fractint can use. I know how to use Fractint, just not how to convert the e-mail ascii text files so that fractint can use it. Now I do. I like the 'one button functions' such as the ones you mentioned: 'z' 't' 'f6'...tc. I've downloaded the new program a long while back. Quite an innovative program. But since I'm going to college, I don't have much time to really get into fractals. But I try. I have over 30 pictures printed on my Epson on coated paper (gets kinda spendy after a while), and they are fantastic. I made most of them, using other people's formula files. I do not know how to make my own yet. Most are not posted on my web page yet. Haven't even added them to my par file yet either! I hope to soon though and then post my par on here if everyone likes.....as an attatchment, not an ascii text add-on to the message. That's just so that newbies can just save the attatchments instead of going through the hassle of changing and copying that I am going through. ^_^ Well, I've gotta get to studying some chemistry. ACK! But I'll be making more fractals when I have free time. I did however, find something interesting. The map maker by Ron Barnette can make maps for other programs too. I used the maps on my Winamp (mp3) player plug-in and it worked fine. Thanx again Ron! Outa here! Happy Fractineer ^_^ - -Lavondyss - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #120 ******************************