From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #147 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Saturday, March 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 147 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:19:32 -0800 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: Re: (fractint) Gravijul From Jay's archives: Here's gravijul, from the source. frm:gravijul { ; generalized r^(-2) by Mark "Bud" Christenson 1/25/98 ; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) z = pixel: w = fn1(z) z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2 |z| < p3 } Enjoy, Bud www.hooked.net/~mchris/fractals.htm - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:02:30 -0800 From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) gravijul Lavondyss wrote: >Can someone post the original gravijul formula and any pars they have? There have been so many posted by different people and there have been several variations. I can send you a bunch of the favorites privately (by later tomorrow) but if you ever really want to go back and get them you can go to the archive ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/ - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:36:28 -0600 (CST) From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: Re: (fractint) Cosh flexball formula >Different indeed. One look at this midget.... > >fbcoshm2_midget { ; Jay Hill, 1998 > ; uses Paul Carlson's formula > reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=mar98.par > formulaname=flexballs_cosh center-mag=-1.0256/0/0.4/1/-90 > params=10/0/1/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=253 > >colors=000<11>cV0gY0j`0nc0lb0<14>AA0<206>c60d50c40000<10>000wcA000000 > cyclerange=1/240 > } This image is actually pretty much the whole Mset which repeats along the imaginary axis (although the flexballs obscure this). Paul C. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: RE: (fractint) Spanky > Hi Paul, > > Things seem relatively normal at this end, though it's >difficult to tell where the bottleneck might be. They installed >a new powerhub here last week and there might be some teething >problems. You can always try the mirror at Michael's site: > > http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fractint.html There's a mirror?! Never knew that :-) Actually I think the problem is local to the ISP I used to connect. I had trouble pinging NCF and Hotmail as well. Although I could ping the local mail exchange okay. - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:08:53 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) gravijul > There have been so many posted by different people > and there have been several variations. Thanx everyone for posting the Gravijul formula. I'm sure more people will be posting it, so thanx in advance. I went to the Fractint archive....boy was it overwhelming. Looking through all those messages is monotonous and very time-consuming. Anyone kept a GOOD tab on JUST the posted formulas and pars? Thought I'd ask before I look through the messages. - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) gravijul On a related note it'd be nice if the archive webpage had a feature to search through the archive to locate the first/next digest with a particular substring. A search on "gravijul" from the beginning would have found the formula Lavondyss wanted. - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:43:40 -0700 From: Ray Montgomery Subject: (fractint) Copyright I'm a little (for 'little' read 'lot) behind. Thanks Linda, Tim and Rich for filling me in. Ray - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:14:41 -0800 From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: (fractint) deep-zoom contest Kerry, FOTD 27-03-98 == freaky shape. (Who's Alfie? What's a smallest midget?) Maybe we cld use Jim's generalized formula for the nascent (well, maybe) deep-zoom contest? There cld be a third winner, too: most stuzzadelic fractal found. And since I believe only four people have expressed interest, that means we only have to find one more category. For those not on the fractal-arts list, the formula is frm:MandelbrotN {; Jim Muth b=p1, z=p2, c=p3+pixel: z=z^(b)+c, |z| <= 16 } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:25:00 -0500 From: Sylvie Gallet Subject: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest >> is anyone interested in an M-set deep-zoom contest? NO, PLEASE! Not deep-zooms!!! I don't want to tie up my computer with= those - generally boring - images, and I don't want to download them (my phone bill is already way too high...). - Sylvie - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:01:43 -0000 From: "Les St Clair" Subject: Re: (fractint) gravijul Lavondyss asked: > Anyone kept a GOOD tab on JUST the posted formulas and >pars? Thought I'd ask before I look through the messages. Complete monthly collections of all the par files posted to the Fractint list are available from my Fractal web site at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ You'll need to download the formula file too (it's on the same page as the pars). I plan to post the March collection (which is fast approaching 300 images!!) a couple of days after month end. cheers, Les - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:53:59 +0000 From: Michael Bell Subject: (fractint) Par's Hi, I'm new to this list so this is probably a stupid question, but does anyone keep a seperate archive with .par and .frm files posted to the list in? Michael. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:11:45 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest Peter wrote: > is anyone interested in an M-set deep-zoom contest? I don't know about a formal contest, but I'd love to see some explorations along these lines. Maybe an informal "can you top this" would be fine rather than a contest The point of Sylvie's protest that these images are boring and time consuming may be that if the objective is to produce art, deep zooming is not the way to go. But there are other reasons besides creating art to make fractals. I'm personally curious about what is to be found at higher magnifications. I don't want to see "boring" images, but I'm not worried if they aren't beautiful and artistic if they are intriguing and interesting! There are some complications. It is easy to come up with images that are self-similar to much shallower zooms, which defeats the purpose (see the spanky.triumf.ca for a discussion of this.) Usually if you are zooming in on a midgit, the image is not self-similar. I don't have a proof of this, but I'm pretty sure it is true. The image doesn't have to contain on obvious midgit, but the only reliable method I know of avoiding being sucked into a "whirlpool of self-similarity" is to follow a sequence of midgits. Once you have arrived at the desired magnfication, you can explore near the midgit without fear of getting an image that could have been generated at a lower magnification. If you need incentive, here's one. I incorporated a synchronous orbit (SOI) algorithm into the developer version of Fractint last fall, but haven't worked on it since. It uses long doubles, which limits the magnification to 10^20 or so. It works OK, but at that magnfication it is just starting to get going. I really should port SOI to arbitrary precision to get rid of the precision limit. If I thought there were a number of users doing serious deep zooming explorations, and SOI would help them, I could decide to finish this off. For those who aren't familar with what I am talking about, the SOI algorithm greatly speeds up deep zooms. Porting SOI should help deep zoom explorations, but we won't know until we try. Tim - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:16:24 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) gravijul Les St Clair wrote: > Lavondyss asked: > > > Anyone kept a GOOD tab on JUST the posted formulas and > >pars? Thought I'd ask before I look through the messages. > > Complete monthly collections of all the par files posted to the Fractint list > are available from my Fractal web site at: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ > > You'll need to download the formula file too (it's on the same page as the > pars). > > I plan to post the March collection (which is fast approaching 300 images!!) a > couple of days after month end. > > cheers, Les Thanx Les!! That saved me a TON of time. - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:34:29 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Par's Michael Bell wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to this list so this is probably a stupid question, but does > anyone keep a seperate archive with .par and .frm files posted to the > list in? > > Michael. > Go to Les StClair's page. I got quite a bit of stuff there. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ Thanx again Les! - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:34:29 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) Par's Michael Bell wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to this list so this is probably a stupid question, but does > anyone keep a seperate archive with .par and .frm files posted to the > list in? > > Michael. > Go to Les StClair's page. I got quite a bit of stuff there. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/ Thanx again Les! - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:39:02 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) gravijul Paul Derbyshire wrote: > On a related note it'd be nice if the archive webpage had a feature to > search through the archive to locate the first/next digest with a > particular substring. A search on "gravijul" from the beginning would have > found the formula Lavondyss wanted. > Oh wow!!..Great idea Paul. That would help out a lot of fractal folks. It sorta reminds me of the "find" option in Windows Explorer. An example would be "gravi*.frm" or "gravi*.par" or even "gravi*.*" I dunno how hard substring options would be to program into a search engine though let alone the search enging itself. It's be great to have though. ^_^ - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:44:07 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest Sylvie Gallet wrote: > >> is anyone interested in an M-set deep-zoom contest? > > NO, PLEASE! Not deep-zooms!!! I don't want to tie up my computer with > those - generally boring - images, and I don't want to download them (my > phone bill is already way too high...). > > - Sylvie Deep zooming would be very nice indeed. However, for those of us who do not have the newer computers would have a heck of a time trying to render them. I"m running 100Mhz and it takes forever for some deep-zoom fractals. Plus, D/L'ing all those pars would be quite painful as well if you do not have unlimited access such as myself. However, I can wait till the end of the month and get everything from Les's page..^_^. Just a thought. - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:37:22 -0600 From: Lavondyss Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest Tim Wegner wrote: > > > For those who aren't familar with what I am talking about, the SOI > algorithm greatly speeds up deep zooms. Porting SOI should help deep > zoom explorations, but we won't know until we try. > > Tim Tim, With SOI, do I have to have a faster machine to render it faster or would it just speed up the process altogether? If the latter, then I'd love to see it. Wish you luck. - -Lav - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:27:13 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) formula trouble I have been playing around with another flexible formula, and have encountered a problem. This works fine for the z^2 case, but breaks down; try p1=3, 4, etc. to see what I mean. Another question/observation: the imaginary component of "bailout" has no effect (not that I would expect any for a magnitude comparison) (?) Bud MandelMax { ; generalized z^n by Bud 3/27/98 ; probably been done before... ; defaults: p1 = (2,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) z = p2, c = pixel: z = z^p1 + c |z| < p3 } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:46:47 -0500 From: "Jason Hine" Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest Justin suggested: >How about just "freakiest shape in the standard M-set at any zoom >level?" Judging deep-zooms could take forever, unless entries are sent >as gifs. I like this idea very much. There needs to be some artistic-ness involved to keep the contest from just being a technology contest.... and yeah, images should probably be sent as GIFs. Other thoughts: use a standard image resolution and colormap? For those who don't know, I've got a little hiccup of a program called Deeper available at my website that does a good job of zooming deeply quickly, without losing sight of areas with mini-Msets in it. Deeper can be found at < http://boralf.agsci.colostate.edu/~jason >... let's do this contest! Cheers, Jason - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:01:47 -0500 From: "Jason Hine" Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest Tim let slip: >If you need incentive, here's one. I incorporated a synchronous >orbit (SOI) algorithm into the developer version of Fractint last >fall, but haven't worked on it since. Ohhh please oh please oh please oh please oh pllllease! Um, sorry. I would *really* like to have SOI in Fractint, though. I've been mulling over adding something I call Symmetry Recognition (SR) to my Deeper program (as well as a number of other improvements), and knowing that Fractint was going to someday relatively soon have SOI would probably prompt me to work on the SR thing. On the other hand, I suppose if interest in exploring the depths of the Mset is low, then there are probably other Fractint improvements that should be higher-priority. I have not gotten any feedback on how Deeper is working for folks (or even if it is, or if anyone's even dl'ed it.) But myself, I'd be very psyched for SOI!!! Cheers, Jason - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:25:31 -0500 From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest Jason Hine wrote: > There needs to be some artistic-ness involved to keep the contest [of deep > zooming] from just being a technology contest.... and yeah, images should probably > be sent as GIFs. Other thoughts: use a standard image resolution and colormap? Standardizing colormaps is incompatible with "artistic-ness." Otherwise I like the idea of this contest too. Gedeon - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:37:40 -0500 From: "Peter Gavin" Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest I agree that a standard color map should not be required, however, if it IS judged, lack of coloring skill should not be part of the judging; rather, the chance/skill of finding a really cool spot to draw and submit should be the criteria. Pete - -----Original Message----- From: Gedeon Peteri To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 5:26 PM Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest |Jason Hine wrote: | |> There needs to be some artistic-ness involved to keep the contest [of deep |> zooming] from just being a technology contest.... and yeah, images should probably |> be sent as GIFs. Other thoughts: use a standard image resolution and colormap? | |Standardizing colormaps is incompatible with "artistic-ness." Otherwise I like the |idea of this contest too. | |Gedeon | | |- |------------------------------------------------------------ |Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List |Post Message: fractint@xmission.com |Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" |Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net |Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:09:15 -0500 From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) how 'bout a d >> NO, PLEASE! Not deep-zooms!!! I don't want to tie up my computer wi= th those - generally boring - images, and I don't want to download them (my phone bill is already way too high...).<< Those are my concerns, also. My machine is 100% busy as it is!! There i= s also no way currently to deep zoom on most fractal types. Lee - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:07:49 -0600 (CST) From: pjcarlsn@ix.netcom.com (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson) Subject: (fractint) Another Flexball Formula comment { Here's a formula and par that uses flexball rendering with the equation z = cos(z * z) + c. The image is very uncomplicated, almost sparse, but kind of graceful and pretty. Paul Carlson } frm:FlexBalls_Cosww {; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 ; p1 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10) ; p2 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p1) ; c = pixel w = z = iter = bailout = 0 d0 = p1 + p2 d1 = 0.382683432365 * p1 d2 = 0.923879532511 * p1 dsqd = d0 * d0 + p1 * p1 - (d0 + d0) * d2 : w = cos(w * w) + c ; IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p1) < p2) && iter > 0) bailout = 1 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w) awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi) IF (awr >= awi) dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1) adjust = 1 ELSE dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2) adjust = 0 ENDIF IF (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 1 - adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0) range_num = 2 + adjust ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0) range_num = 5 - adjust ELSE range_num = 6 + adjust ENDIF ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd) z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1 ENDIF iter = iter + 1 z = z - iter bailout == 0 && |w| < 1000 } fbcosww1 { ; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998 reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fbcosww.frm formulaname=flexballs_cosww passes=1 center-mag=-1.00444/7.51979/17.4781/1/-112.499 params=10/0/2/0 float=y maxiter=500 inside=253 outside=summ colors=0RRGGz<28>00O0zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O0zz<28>0CCGGz<28>\ 00O0zz<28>0CCGGz<28>00O0zz<28>0CC000<13>000 } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:17:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: Re: (fractint) formula trouble At 01:27 PM 3/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >I have been playing around with another flexible formula, and have >encountered a problem. This works fine for the z^2 case, but breaks >down; try p1=3, 4, etc. to see what I mean. > >Another question/observation: the imaginary component of "bailout" >has no effect (not that I would expect any for a magnitude comparison) (?) > > >Bud > >MandelMax { ; generalized z^n by Bud 3/27/98 >; probably been done before... >; defaults: p1 = (2,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) > z = p2, c = pixel: > > z = z^p1 + c > |z| < p3 > } Mark: I have run into the same problem with some of my formulas. The following version runs a bit slower, but works the way it should. I have no idea why. - ------------------------------------------------ MandelMax2 { ; slightly altered by Jim M. ; probably been done before... ; defaults: p1 = (2,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0) z = p2, c = pixel, a=p1: z = z^(a) + c |z| < p3 } - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:47:20 -0800 From: Peter Jakubowicz Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest At 09:11 AM 3/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >Tim wrote: >> is anyone interested in an M-set deep-zoom contest? >I don't know about a formal contest, but I'd love to see some >explorations along these lines. Maybe an informal "can you top this" >would be fine rather than a contest informal sounds great. i wld be willing to maintain the current deepest zoom images on my geocities page and provide info, which I and hopefully others, wld contribute, on why such and such an image is interesting, or how Fractint does what it does and how it might do it better, sort of like the Deep Zooming page at Spanky. if you think it's boring, that's cool, don't do it. i don't see how this cld clog up the list; it takes a while to generate these things, so i don't think there wld be that many pars posted on, say, a given month, or whatever. or arguing over rules. it cld be pretty simple i guess it wld be best to just use a standard M-set formula, with no user-defined variables. besides looking for interesting objects, if there was any interest, there cld be a sort of repository of the current deepest zoom, the way the newest largest prime numbers are announced every few months. we wld just need a rigourous definition of deepest zoom, if guess. and one wld have to produce the image, so you couldn't use Kerry's ruse of writing a par without having zoomed. no voting or talking about how the contest is going. you spend a week, or whatever, zooming and you just, as Tim said, post yr can-you-top-this par. since most may not wish to reproduce a particular zooming marathon experience in the privacy of their own home, you cld send the gifs to me and i'll put 'em on the web page and post 'em to abpf, if that is wanted, so anyone interested can look. i already get the SPAM, so i don't have to worry about mangling my address. it might even generate a little public interest and, who knows, spawn some practical application (pace, G.H. Hardy). i am much more interested in learning and seeing and exploring rather than a contest per se. and hopefully the expert wld provide some tips. zooming is fun. is anyone else interested? then seeya in the M-set, i guess. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:19:33 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest > With SOI, do I have to have a faster machine to render it faster or > would it just speed up the process altogether? Synchronous orbits, when it works, can be more than an order of magnitude faster than normal escape-time algorithms. It doesn't depend on a fast machine. But if your machine is fast, AND you are using synchronous orbits, then everything is faster still! SOI only begins to be effective near the limit of zooming of double precision numbers (2^15 or so). I am not aware of an implementation of SOI for arbitrary precision. There are some good ones for 64 or 80 bit doubles. My current implementation is for 80 bit doubles, which goes three orders of magnitude deeper than 64 bit. Be forwarned that searching for deepzoom images is very time consuming. A fast computer helps. We don't really know yet how useful SOI will be with arbitrary precision, but it seems promising enough to try. Tim - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:20:37 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: (fractint) formula trouble, pars comment { commentary and pars by Bud 3/28/98 >At 01:27 PM 3/28/98 -0800, I wrote: >>I have been playing around with another flexible formula, and have >>encountered a problem. This works fine for the z^2 case, but breaks >>down; try p1=3D3, 4, etc. to see what I mean. >... At 07:17 PM 3/28/98 -0500, Jim Muth wrote: >I have run into the same problem with some of my formulas. =20 >The following version runs a bit slower, but works the way=20 >it should. I have no idea why. (substituting a=3Dp1) Thanks Jim, that did the trick. Odd bug, no? Word to Sylvie: now that I've finally gotten around to making images with gravijul-v3 (about 3 dozen), it appears it's in jeopardy. Looks like you'll need to re-publish, but please name the repaired formula=20 as an alternate (*a, *1, or something) to spare those who got=20 sucker-punched along with you. Question to the Fractint gods: could you please document the=20 problem so that we can reconstruct the error to preserve the=20 old formulas after the fix is implemented? Thanks, Bud P.S.: Since a) I brought up gravijul-v3, and b) it's been two weeks since my last image post, here are three, all adorned in sil&gold.map and its sibling. The first is named in honor of the Cheshire Cat=20 (stripes, you know), Monty Python, and the various "Cats" in=20 the Fractint universe. The third is another reference to Babylon 5;=20 I had to guess at the spelling, having never seen the name in print=20 (it's pronounced "boo-gee"; I'd ask if anyone out there speaks Vorlon, but I *do* have a *slim* grip on reality!) } gjv3-0b { ; "Confuse-a-Cat" (c) Bud 3/27/98 reset=3D1930 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgravjulz.frm formulaname=3Dgravijul-v3 function=3Datan/acosh/cosxx passes=3Dt center-mag=3D-4.44089e-016/4.44089e-016/0.6 params=3D-1/0/0/0/5/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D256 inside=3D0 decomp=3D256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3DLK0<18>d20e10g00i00<8>z00<8>i00g00f00e11<18>MJJKKKKKK<21>cccdddff= \ f<6>sss<5>iiigggfffeee<21>LLLKKKKKL<15>5Ta4Ub3Vc3Wd2Xf<2>1_k1am0bo0dq0es\ <2>0jy0kz0jx<6>0_k0Zi0Yh0Xf1We<18>JLMKKKLKK<18>d`LeaLgbMicN<8>zsX<6>mgQk\ ePidOhcN<21>KK0 cyclerange=3D0/255 } gjv3-0m { ; "Point of Origin"(c) Bud 3/28/98 reset=3D1930 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgravjulz.frm formulaname=3Dgravijul-v3 function=3Dident/acosh/cosxx passes=3Dt center-mag=3D-4.44089e-016/0/0.393319 params=3D1.31/0/0/0/6/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D256 inside=3D0 decomp=3D256 periodicity=3D0=7F colors=3DLK0<18>d20e10g00i00<8>z00<8>i00g00f00e11<18>MJJKKKKKK<21>cccdddff= \ f<6>sssrrr<4>iiigggfffeee<21>LLLKKKKKL<16>4Ub3Vc3Wd2Xf2Yg1Zi<4>0es0fu0hw\ 0jy0kz<7>0_k0Zi0Yh0Xf1We<18>JLMKKKLKK<18>d`LeaLgbMicN<8>zsX<6>mgQkePidOh\ cN<21>KK0 cyclerange=3D0/255 } gjv3-0p { ; "the Vorlon god Bu'jye", (c) Bud 3/28/98 reset=3D1930 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dgravjulz.frm formulaname=3Dgravijul-v3 function=3Datanh/recip/cosxx passes=3Dt center-mag=3D-2.498e-015/0.194445/5.10615 params=3D-0.53067/0/-0.03/0/5/0 float=3Dy maxiter=3D256 inside=3D111 decomp=3D256 periodicity=3D0 colors=3D200<30>z00<30>200000111<30>sss<30>222000012<30>0kz<30>022000211<3= \ 0>zsX<31>000 cyclerange=3D0/255 } frm:gravijul-v3 { ; Variation on Mark Christenson's gravijul by Sylvie= Gallet z =3D pixel: w =3D fn1(z) z =3D fn3(fn2(w*w)^p1) + p2 |z| < p3 } - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:26:44 -0600 (CST) From: 4wg7kolodzie@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: (fractint) how 'bout a deep-zoom contest On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Lavondyss wrote: > > > Sylvie Gallet wrote: > > > >> is anyone interested in an M-set deep-zoom contest? > > > > NO, PLEASE! Not deep-zooms!!! I don't want to tie up my computer with > > those - generally boring - images, and I don't want to download them (my > > phone bill is already way too high...). > > > > - Sylvie > > Deep zooming would be very nice indeed. However, for those of us who do not > have the newer computers would have a heck of a time trying to render them. > I"m running 100Mhz and it takes forever for some deep-zoom fractals. Ha... at 180Mhz it takes too long. They probably _can_ be interesting, though... there's a whole page of them that you can access from the main Fractint site. Justin K. - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:03:11 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: (fractint) 640K Fractint 19 will run in 640K won't it? I heard it runs on even old 286's without any extended memory at all... No, I'm not thinking of running it on some old dinosaur or anything. Reason I ask is that someone reported in sci.fractals that their Win 95 dos box only sees 640K (which is normal when you don't set fancy DPMI properties) and Fractint won't run. (I've run it in an unembellished DOS box without any trouble, except it might not be able to do disk video.) - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:49:49 -0500 (EST) From: ao950@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Derbyshire) Subject: Re: (fractint) deep-zoom contest Hate to burst your bubble Pete, but Fractint won't deepzoom a formula fractal >:( - -- .*. Friendship, companionship, love, and having fun are the reasons for -() < life. All else; sex, money, fame, etc.; are just to get/express these. `*' Send any and all mail with attachments to the hotmail address please. Paul Derbyshire ao950@freenet.carleton.ca pgd73@hotmail.com - - - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #147 ******************************