From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #384 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Tuesday, April 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 384 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:22:23 +1200 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Source Code At 09:10 19/04/99 GMT, you wrote: >Okay, so Java is just too slow. I had thought as much. I'm told that >Java has a feature to link in native C code, so you could just use >Java for the front end... but why? > I was wondering if, having written a Fractint back-end engine, whether one can then write a Photoshop (or PSP(?)) plugin to make use of it. This is as well as standalone front ends. Morgan L. Owens - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:31:35 EDT From: Genealogy1@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Unirfsh.zip... Hi Tim, << Bob, refresh is only an issue if the screen's flicker is bothersome to you, or you get headaches looking at the screen. If neither of these is true, you don't need to worry about it. >> I won't worry about it cause screen flicker is not a problem. Thank you Tim. - --Bob Carr-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:42:08 -0500 From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Par for the course Pollen { ; (c) 1999 by Bob Margolis reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=euler2_3way function=tan/log/flip passes=t center-mag=0.001899/0.00478142/0.4533049/1.0626 params=24/0/0.083/0/4096/0 float=y maxiter=2095 inside=254 outside=summ invert=1.31625778434854/0/0 distest=-1/-1/768/768 symmetry=xyaxis viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0 colors=000<23>ZVk`XmaYoc_qbYq<13>D4g<12>TNmUPnUPnUPnCMC<14>C_OC_OCZN<13>\ CMC_x0<13>ry3tz4sz4<14>_x0000<131>000 cyclerange=1/1 } - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:55:21 -0700 From: "Jon Camp" Subject: Re: (fractint) Par for the course Very cute :) ******************************** Jonathan Camp ICQ# 3475340 chaotic n-space network @ http://www.cnspace.net/ ******************************** - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:50:10 +0200 From: "Randall Britten" Subject: RE: (fractint) Julia set params See below for params and URL's of the images. Why are these interesting Julia sets? Answer: Both of their c params (in the formula z=z^2+c) fall inside the Mandelbrot set. This means that the Julia set should be connected for this value of c. But this creates a bit of a paradox. Adjacent peninsulas are separated by logarithmic spirals. Does the mathematical definition of a connected set cater for an infinite path between two points of the set? julia_connectedq2 { reset=1821 type=julia corners=-2/2/-1.5/1.5 params=-0.81103199999999998/-0.090216000000000005 } Image at: http://www.icon.co.za/~rbritten/Fractals/julia_connectedq2.gif Also: julia_connectedq { reset=1960 type=julia center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=-0.75602743988599674/0.051815543993670818 float=y maxiter=1000 } Image at http://www.icon.co.za/~rbritten/julia_connectedq.gif - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Field Sent: Thursday 01 April 1999 04:59 To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: (fractint) Julia set params Do you have some favorite Julia params? For example, I found the following on someone's web site: "m_juleye": (-0.7910322074096 , -0.1502158760371). If you enter these numbers as the real and imaginary parts of the Julia parameters in Fractint, you get a form with two interlocking spiral arms on either side of the central part of the fractal. This pattern repeats itself laterally. What interesting Julia's have you found? I am looking at the set as a whole, rather than at a zoom into the set. - --Jeff Field jfield@clark.net - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:44:27 GMT From: "Andrew Coppin" Subject: RE: (fractint) Julia set params > From: "Randall Britten" > To: > Subject: RE: (fractint) Julia set params > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:50:10 +0200 > Importance: Normal > Reply-to: fractint@lists.xmission.com > See below for params and URL's of the images. Why are these interesting > Julia sets? Answer: Both of their c params (in the formula z=z^2+c) fall > inside the Mandelbrot set. This means that the Julia set should be > connected for this value of c. > > But this creates a bit of a paradox. Adjacent peninsulas are separated by > logarithmic spirals. Does the mathematical definition of a connected set > cater for an infinite path between two points of the set? In a word, *YES*. I can't remember (or understand) the exact wording, but it basically requires that there *IS* a path from A to B; that path is not required to be of finite length. In fact, (lame paraphrase of well-known "length-of-the-coastline" phenominon) the length of any of the filiments that connects the Mandelbrot set are all infinite (with one exception that I know of: that line from -1+0i) because of their crooked nature which repeats down to infinity. (Each "crook" adds slightly to the length; there's infinity of them so the total is infinity; see Seri'whats-his-name's Triangle). > julia_connectedq2 { > reset=1821 type=julia corners=-2/2/-1.5/1.5 > params=-0.81103199999999998/-0.090216000000000005 > } > > Image at: http://www.icon.co.za/~rbritten/Fractals/julia_connectedq2.gif > Also: > > julia_connectedq { > reset=1960 type=julia center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 > params=-0.75602743988599674/0.051815543993670818 float=y > maxiter=1000 > } > > Image at http://www.icon.co.za/~rbritten/julia_connectedq.gif - --------------------------------- Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est! (Sir Francis Bacon) Andrew Orphi Coppin DMU MK. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:57:43 -0700 From: "Jay Hill" Subject: (fractint) Fractint documentation in German? Forwarded message: "Where is a documentation in German language? Can you help me?" More generally, any other languages? I can update the resource page if we have multilingual support. Jay Hill - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 2:05 0000 From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: RE: (fractint) Fractint documentation in German? >More generally, any other languages? I can update >the resource page if we have multilingual support. If anyone wants to offer a tranlation then I can help with the details of editing the help text and compiling an online help file in that language. It's pretty simple once you have the magic helpfile utilities, mail me for details. Cheers, Robin. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:37:36 +0200 From: "Randall Britten" Subject: (fractint) Re: Source code There was a comment that breaking the generation of images up into multiples should be kept, since it may help with using multiple computers to generate images. I second that, and will give it a shot. Here at work I have logins on several of my colleagues Linux boxes, and have xfractint working in a few places (only when they don't mind). There was also discussion about a more object oriented architecture for fractint, and here is an idea: the fractal generation engine could be a CORBA server. Images could be generated in multiples by calls to many CORBA servers. Why would this be cool? Just imagine yourself smoothly panning over a Mandelbrot which is magnified 10000, or imagine zooming in from 1x to 10000x smoothly. As a preview, I used fractal filmer to play with some smooth zoom ins, and even if it is only for our kids to enjoy one day, it is going to mean a whole new way of "experiencing" fractals. - ------------------------- Randall Britten (P.S. My apologies for mailing under a new subject but I had lost the original mail sent on this thread.) - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:21:01 GMT From: "Jack Baker" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint video board For good links to Technical info and white paper, go to www.maximumpc.com This is a network with lots of great links and info on all aspects for the "power user." - -Jack > The Millennium G200 AGP (8mb) supports 1600x1200x64k colors at 60 Hz, > 1280x1024x64k, 1024x768x16.8M. This is good except for the 60 Hz. > It doesn't seem to have Linux support (the CD has drivers for Dos, OS2, > Win 3.1/95/NT). Manufacturers don't generally provide Linux support - but the army of open source developers do. I checked at www.xfree86.org, and the Millenium is definitely supported. Most boards are except the very newest ones. > >> It is really hard to get good technical information. Any suggestions? > > A visit to the site of Matrox? Amazingly, VERY few manufacturer web sites list VESA modes. Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:17:57 EDT From: Genealogy1@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Two FRACTINT questions... Hi Everybody, I have 2 questions. 1) I upgraded my Pentium 166 processor to a Pentium 333 processor. There was only a 20% increase in speed for creating images with FRACTINT. Is there a limit to how much you can increase fractal formations from PAR files? 2) Would someone explain to me what a complex number is? Such as (-0.7456,-0.132). TIA - --Bob Carr-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:24:31 -0500 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Two FRACTINT questions... Bob, - 1) I upgraded my Pentium 166 processor to a Pentium 333 processor. - There was only a 20% increase in speed for creating images with - FRACTINT. That's because FractInt isn't Pentium-optimized. A similar upgrade I performed a while ago yielded a 100% speed boost (i.e. double the speed) in other programs which are Pentium-optimized. The next version of FractInt has optimized code for the M-set, but I don't know if the formula parser is also similarly optimized. - Is there a limit to how much you can increase fractal formations - from PAR files? I'm not sure what you're asking here. - 2) Would someone explain to me what a complex number is? Such as - (-0.7456,-0.132). That would be -0.7456 - 0.132i, where i is the square root of -1 (which cannot be represented with "real" numbers). The regular operators of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, exponentiation, etc. can all be extended to complex numbers, although sometimes the extension is a little unclear. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:35:40 EDT From: Hackberg91@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint documentation in German? Hi. This is Michael. I teach in a German primary school and I also offer the use of fractint to the pupils (ages 8-12). For them I made some quite simple hand-outs about fractint basics. This is not a translation of the doc, but if it helps I'll mail to you. I'm still in the planning of a German fractint site, but couldn't get to the point yet. We'll see. Joy to all of you, Michael - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 08:35:41 EDT From: Hackberg91@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Source code Hi Randall. You mentioned a 'fractal filmer" for kids. Please tell me/us more (URL?). Thanks and bye, Michael - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 09:23:39 EDT From: Critzygal@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint documentation in German? Although I'm not a pupil age 8-12, (quite a bit older) I would appreciate any information you have as my knowlege of fractals and computer technology is probably below that of the 8-12 year olds. The simpler, the better. thanks. Chris - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:42:36 EDT From: At1Rest@aol.com Subject: (fractint) video operation problem Greetings List members, I've begun to use a different machine, a desk top,...AMD400, Trident agp video card,(8mb), and now encounter a problem in Fractint that was not present on my laptop machine. As I switch in and out of the drawing screen, to X, Y , Z, to make changes, the monitor shuts on and off, "duckng" so to speak, causing a lag in moving back and forth. On my laptop these screen changes were fast and flawless. Is there a cure? Is the laptop better for fractint use because video is "on the mother board"? Has anyone found a video card, or a fix for this? Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you, Steve - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:39:56 -0600 From: "Michael Thomas" Subject: RE: (fractint) video operation problem I am having the same problem with an ancient Pentium 100 with 128k external cache, running 40 meg RAM. Is there a fix anywhere? Michael - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of At1Rest@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:43 AM To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: (fractint) video operation problem Greetings List members, I've begun to use a different machine, a desk top,...AMD400, Trident agp video card,(8mb), and now encounter a problem in Fractint that was not present on my laptop machine. As I switch in and out of the drawing screen, to X, Y , Z, to make changes, the monitor shuts on and off, "duckng" so to speak, causing a lag in moving back and forth. On my laptop these screen changes were fast and flawless. Is there a cure? Is the laptop better for fractint use because video is "on the mother board"? Has anyone found a video card, or a fix for this? Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you, Steve - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:08:09 EDT From: At1Rest@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem In a message dated 4/26/99 10:40:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, michael_thomas@modusmedia.com writes: << I am having the same problem with an ancient Pentium 100 with 128k external cache, running 40 meg RAM. Is there a fix anywhere? Michael Greetings List members, I've begun to use a different machine, a desk top,...AMD400, Trident agp video card,(8mb), and now encounter a problem in Fractint that was not present on my laptop machine. As I switch in and out of the drawing screen, to X, Y , Z, to make changes, the monitor shuts on and off, "duckng" so to speak, causing a lag in moving back and forth. On my laptop these screen changes were fast and flawless. Is there a cure? Is the laptop better for fractint use because video is "on the mother board"? Has anyone found a video card, or a fix for this? Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you, Steve >> - ------------------------------------------ I got a bit of feed back from members of PC+MAC Chat on AOL... general consensus there was "Not Fixable...video *on the Mother Board* is the reason why the laptop doesn't do it"....but...I'm still hopefull someone on the list has a machine using a PCI or AGP card, doesn't experience this problem, and will tell us what they use. Thanks, Steve - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:13 0000 From: comdotatdotcom@csi.com Subject: RE: RE: (fractint) video operation problem >I am having the same problem with an ancient Pentium 100 with 128k external >cache, running 40 meg RAM. Is there a fix anywhere? I'm afraid that what you are experiencing is inherent in the design of CRT monitors. When fractint (or any other program for that matter) changes video modes from text to graphics or vice versa the video signal necessarily changes it's characteristics and your monitor has to ajust to this. This ajustment takes a second or two sometimes and is often accompanied by loud clicks as relays switch deep within the innards of your monitor... do not be alarmed, your CRT is designed to cope with this and no harm will ensue. LCDs can change mode really quickly however, hence the laptop ran OK. The thing to remember is that even though you can't see what's on screen fractint is still responding and there's nothing to stop you typing ahead. In theory there could be a video mode that is very similar to the text mode in frequency etc and may produce very easy swapping, you might want to experiment and maybe find a good exploration mode to use (it's likely to be a fairly low resolution) and then switch to a high resolution once you've found what you want. Cheers, Robin. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:35:36 -0500 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: RE: RE: (fractint) video operation problem Robin, - The thing to remember is that even though you can't see what's on - screen fractint is still responding and there's nothing to stop you - typing ahead. Type ahead freely, but be careful about triggering commands that will rapidly switch video modes. At one point I was proficient enough with the keyboard options that I twice blew out my monitor. (Yes I know this is unusual but when you're flipping through a frequency change at a rate of once per second for several minutes at a time, on more than one occasion, the hardware in the monitor could very well complain. In both instances it was the same part that failed, and the same activity that triggered the failure.) Every once in a while is OK, just be careful about flipping through those modes quickly (such as when rifling through a few hundred images in your FractInt directory). Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:34:27 -0500 From: "Adam Leggett" Subject: Re: RE: (fractint) video operation problem Maybe it should be set up so that it isn't necessary to use text mode to use the menu. Adam > Robin, > > - The thing to remember is that even though you can't see what's on > - screen fractint is still responding and there's nothing to stop you > - typing ahead. > > Type ahead freely, but be careful about triggering commands that will > rapidly switch video modes. At one point I was proficient enough with the > keyboard options that I twice blew out my monitor. (Yes I know this is > unusual but when you're flipping through a frequency change at a rate of > once per second for several minutes at a time, on more than one occasion, > the hardware in the monitor could very well complain. In both instances it > was the same part that failed, and the same activity that triggered the > failure.) > > Every once in a while is OK, just be careful about flipping through those > modes quickly (such as when rifling through a few hundred images in your > FractInt directory). > > Damien M. Jones \\ > dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: > \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ > > Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or > in a newsgroup. Thank you. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:17:01 -0600 From: "Tim Wegner" Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem Steve wrote: > As I switch in and out of the drawing screen, to X, Y , Z, to make > changes, the monitor shuts on and off, "duckng" so to speak, causing a > lag in moving back and forth. On my laptop these screen changes were > fast and flawless. > Is there a cure? Is the laptop better for fractint use because video > is "on the mother board"? I believe this is purely a function of your monitor, not your video board. Many monitors are not designed to quickly change modes. I have an Optiquest V95, that changes very slowly. The laptop probably is better for Fractint if mode switching is instantaneous. The one thing I have thought of that we programmers could do is to use graphics mode for the text screens, so that the video mode does not changed. Of course the real solution is to build a Fractint GUI. Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:08:39 EDT From: At1Rest@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem In a message dated 4/26/99 4:19:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, twegner@phoenix.net writes: << The one thing I have thought of that we programmers could do is to use graphics mode for the text screens, so that the video mode does not changed. >> Is this possible for normal explorations or does it entail modification of the program itself...or extra software/hardware? If you ever make the GUI I hope you keep the same layout and keyboard command structure. It's really great! Steve - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:22:14 EDT From: BillatNY@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: 2 Questions In a message dated 4/19/99 12:51:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, icent@best.com writes: << >I generated a picture at the 2000 x 1500 (approx) resolution as you >suggested. I printed it out and compared it to the same picture I had >generated the 6000 x 4500 resolution. The difference is fairly small, but >there is no doubt that the HIGHER reolution picture printed out with less >pixelation. It definitely is smoother at every level of detail. It is possible that you would see this. I'd be interested in knowing what resolution you ceased to detect any difference. My guess would be around the 300 DPI range. If you decide to experiment, please report your results. The 200 DPI number is a ballpark number that for most cases is all that is needed. Many images can require less than that. >I don't know if the formula would be different because I am not using an >inkjet printer. Perhaps the dye-sublimation printer technology affects this. > I'll have to read further. This is certainly possible. However, I wouldn't expect the difference to be extensive. Given what I understand about photographic output and printer output, I would expect about 300 DPI to be about the most that would be needed to get the maximum detail out of the print media. If my understanding is correct, a dye-sub printer is continuous tone, where as the inkjet printers are not. IOW, the dye-sub can print any given dot any desired color, where the inkjet printers must use different techniques to simulate the continuous tone. Thus, one enters the resolution wars by the printer manufacturers. Ken... >> Okay Ken . It was a good idea and I tried it. I generated the picture at the resolutions 1,024 x 768, 3072 x 2304 and 5120 x 3840 (multiples of the 1024 x 768 setting obviously). The quality on the dye-sub printer improved as resolution increased. Even the 5120 x 3840 picture, although good, was not quite up to the 6144 x 4608 one I had done originally. You have to look close to see the difference, but in areas of tiny detail, the extra sharpness is apparent. I also have a Canon BJ- 600e which prints at 360 dpi and for which I also have their high-qulaity paper. I printed my 1024 x 768 version (admittedly, slightly too low a resoution) and the 3072 x 2304 version. The sharpness and detail on the high-res picture is far superior. I read the recommended article (at least part of it) and while it makes sense mathematically, I have to go with what I see. Unfortunately, this means long generation times and huge file sizes! Bill - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:00:06 +0100 (BST) From: Owen Barton Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem > I believe this is purely a function of your monitor, not your video > board. Many monitors are not designed to quickly change modes. I > have an Optiquest V95, that changes very slowly. Hi all, Could it perhaps be that the monitor is going into powersaving mode? Some monitors do this when there is a lack of signal, which there may be (or it might detect as) in-between mode changes. Some monitors are able to change their powersaving settings - might be worth a look in this case? - - Owen [ mailto:o.barton@lancaster.ac.uk ] [ spamto:grugnog@hotmail.com ] [ http://www.lancs.ac.uk/ug/bartono/ ] - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GO d-- s+++: a18 c+++ UB+ P+ L+ E+ W+++ N o+ K+ W++ O- M-- V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5 X+++ R! tv b++>+++ DI++ D++ G++ e>++ h r z->++ - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Meaning at : http://www.geekcode.com/ - -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQB1AwUANTn2BeNLpdkIZEiNAQFVKwL+Pl0kEHjUCID74Uk3RQgexCYXQQDXE8dx wzLL7sXqQ+TfLz9L91uiqTtuPMKagYMKC+pVhbL7rmU74NHE9bihkT632ydzE5Lz VvagMqqOscEYRi1dfV3nEJe9e6Le0ooB =hLU1 - -----END PGP MESSAGE----- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:05:28 GMT From: juice@airmail.net (Elaina Tillinghast) Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:35:36 -0500, you wrote: >Type ahead freely, but be careful about triggering commands that will >rapidly switch video modes. ... >Every once in a while is OK, just be careful about flipping through = those >modes quickly (such as when rifling through a few hundred images in your >FractInt directory). > Sounds like you may on occasion need to back out to a thumbnail veiwer like compushow for dos (I think that was it), graphx for win3.1, or acdsee for 9x. I haven't gone looking for one for linux yet. (hard to get x started on a bad video card) Any opinions on feasablility or desirability of building a thumbnail viewer into fractint? How complicated would it be? I haven't done any graphics programming yet. Juice --have fun --harm none - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:55:16 -0500 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem Elaina, - Sounds like you may on occasion need to back out to a thumbnail veiwer - like compushow for dos (I think that was it), graphx for win3.1, or - acdsee for 9x. I haven't gone looking for one for linux yet. (hard to - get x started on a bad video card) (laugh) Well, seeing as I don't use FractInt quite so extensively any more, this is no longer a problem for me. Everything I save now has a name (not a number) and my memory is good enough to locate a picture by name. :-) Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:37:26 -0500 From: "Adam Leggett" Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem - ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaina Tillinghast To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 5:05 AM Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:35:36 -0500, you wrote: >Type ahead freely, but be careful about triggering commands that will >rapidly switch video modes. ... >Every once in a while is OK, just be careful about flipping through those >modes quickly (such as when rifling through a few hundred images in your >FractInt directory). > Sounds like you may on occasion need to back out to a thumbnail veiwer like compushow for dos (I think that was it), graphx for win3.1, or acdsee for 9x. I haven't gone looking for one for linux yet. (hard to get x started on a bad video card) Any opinions on feasablility or desirability of building a thumbnail viewer into fractint? How complicated would it be? I haven't done any graphics programming yet. - -- First someone should write a graphical version of the menu (the worst thing about fractint, not the layout but the fact it uses textmode - if it were up to date people would probably be making Fractint skins by now :>). Either that or they should convert the thumbnail images to ASCII art in realtime :> (anyone see TTYQuake yet?).. Then a thumbnail displaying image selector would be real easy. Probably not even necessary to read the entire image file, but I haven't touched GIF in so long I don't even remember. Adam - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:17:40 +1200 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) video operation problem At 11:37 27/04/99 -0500, Adam wrote: > > >Then a thumbnail displaying image selector would be real easy. Probably not >even necessary to read the entire image file, but I haven't touched GIF in >so long I don't even remember. > Not interlaced GIF, no (for the most part); but otherwise (as in particular the case of Fractint) yes: GIF treats the image as one long stream of bytes from top left to bottom right. But hey, if truecolour support is as close as suggestions have been (next major version?) Fractint'll be migrating to PNG anyway... Morgan - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #384 ******************************