From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #398 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Monday, June 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 398 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:10:51 -0700 From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Just testing Just testing! Linda http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery1.html (New 05-27-99) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/gallery1.html (last update 02-27-99) http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (last update 04-30-99) Recent Usenet postings: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/abpf.html (last update 05-02-99) Copyright, all rights reserved: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/copyright.html - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:50:34 -0700 From: kathy roth Subject: (fractint) new computer Hi, I am thinking of purchasing a new computer and want to choose one that would be best for running Ultrafractal and Fractint. If you think that this is not of general interest, please e-mail me privately. 1) Is it still important to get a Pentium chip? 2) I followed the discussions about the video cards with some trepidation. I understand that some of the people on the Ultrafractal list are unable to run Fractint. I definitely want to continue to be able to run Fractint and some old DOS games. What do you think the best video card is? Should I buy a system with the video card I want or get the best system at the price and replace the video card? I can download a new driver if needed but am a novice at this and have limited interest in fooling around with compatibility problems. 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Any other suggestions are welcome. TIA- Kathy - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:05:34 -0500 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Kathy, - 1) Is it still important to get a Pentium chip? Yes. Right now one of the best deals going is a Celeron processor, they are cheap and very fast for fractals. AMD K6 still does not have the floating-point performance which is crucial for fractal generation. The K7 may change that--maybe--but right now Pentium-II, -III, and Celerons are good bets. This is more important for UF than for FractInt at the moment, because UF is more optimized for newer processors, but that will likely change with the next release of FractInt. - I understand that some of the people on the Ultrafractal list are - unable to run Fractint. Mainly because FractInt relies on the presence of VESA modes in newer cards to access the higher resolutions. The very newest class of video cards tend not to support VESA modes any more, because they're only important for DOS apps, which are falling by the wayside. However, your games will likely still run because they typically use a 640x480 mode, which is far more widely supported than the higher-resolution modes. - 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. - I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to - use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Well, CDs aren't the most convenient thing to use for backing up data, but the discs are fairly durable, they're fairly roomy, and they're dirt-cheap. Even CD-RW discs are fairly cheap. I have a ZIP drive (on several systems, in fact) and to be honest, it doesn't take very many big fractals to fill them up. Especially the kind of detailed fractals I like, which don't compress very well. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:21:21 -0500 From: David Kosokar Subject: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Hello all! Do any of you know where I could get a program (preferably a ray tracer) that will make 3d pictures of the Mandelbrot set (both hypercomplex and quaternion)? What I mean is, suppose you took the original Mandel set, and cut out just the black part. Now you rotate it along the Real axis, and create a 3d shape from this (this is called latheing in the raytracers I've seen). This is the actual shape of the Quat fractal in three dimensions, you can see this as you vary the parameters of the quat fractal. If you have written anything like this, or know where I can find it, please let me know!! TIA! Dave - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:21:37 -0700 From: "Terry" Subject: (fractint) House with Bomb Shelter and other ideas Here is the web page for the bomb shelter house: http://www.wooly.com/w1/160 Aloha. Terry James Erickson , krietor@stones.com http://www.pacifier.com/~krietor ICQ # 20903556 Earth Embassy Foundation http://www.pacifier.com/~peri - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:34:00 -0700 From: "Angela Wilczynski" Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Kathy... Many of the questions you asked went through my mind when I got my new puter last year. 1. Based on the feedback from this group, I got a Matrox Millenium card and am delighted with it. It not only runs fractint beautifully, but drives my 19" monitor to perfection. 2. As far as getting the best system/price, I'd suggest chatting with the folks at Micron. My first puter was a Micron and their support is outstanding and their prices are most competitive. They may very well be able to accomodate the video card swap for you at a nominal price. My son put together my current system and I know I paid a premium for not going Micron. www.micron.com 3. While there are faster/bigger storage media than zip drives these days, I like mine. I have an internal zip drive hooked to an scsi port on the motherboard. Data transfer is quite fast enough for me. The advantage of a zip drive is that I can take the zip disk to work where we have zip drives as a standard. If you buy a Micron system a zip drive will be included. take care Angela aka wizzle kathy roth wrote: > > Hi, I am thinking of purchasing a new computer > and want to choose one that would be best for > running Ultrafractal and Fractint. If you think > that this is not of general interest, please e-mail > me privately. > 1) Is it still important to get a Pentium chip? > 2) I followed the discussions about the video > cards with some trepidation. I understand that some of > the people on the Ultrafractal list are unable to run > Fractint. I definitely want to continue to be able to run > Fractint and some old DOS games. What do you think > the best video card is? Should I buy a system with > the video card I want or get the best system at the price and > replace the video card? I can download a new driver if needed > but am a novice at this and have limited interest in fooling > around with compatibility problems. > 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. > I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to > use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. > > Any other suggestions are welcome. TIA- Kathy > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:06:44 -0700 From: "Terry" Subject: (fractint) Fractint on AMD My machine is an AMD 5x86. Fractint seems to perform ok as far as I can tell. It's lots of fun. What will a Pentium chip do better? I have read statements from people on this list to the effect that the floating point capability of the Intel chips is a great advantage in running Fractint. I wonder what I am missing out on. Since I have been leaning towards the AMD K-6 for my new computer, and I really like using Fractint, what's the advantage that the Pentium and Celeron chips have? Also, I am experiencing a little difficulty with Fractint. Let me try to describe. I run Fractint and start the color-cycling. I hit pause, or save, and it works, but when I end up at the main menu, and select "return to fractal," or whatever, the program seems to freeze up. I have to start over. I'm not a very experienced user (of Fractint or Windows 95) but I am a very quick learner. I'm not sure I gave enough information for someone to solve my problem on this second question, but I'm sure someone will have an answer for the first. thank you very much. Terry James Erickson , krietor@stones.com http://www.pacifier.com/~krietor Earth Embassy Foundation http://www.pacifier.com/~peri PS I believe I accidentally emailed a URL for a web page about a house with a bomb shelter for sale. Since it has not much to do with fractal art, I apologize for the mistake. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:40:08 -0500 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on AMD Terry, - My machine is an AMD 5x86. - Fractint seems to perform ok as far as I can tell. It's lots of fun. - What will a Pentium chip do better? The Pentium (and -II, and -III) FPU typically performs basic arithmetic operations in one cycle, instead of two to four. Furthermore, the processor can move floating-point values between registers in parallel with those arithmetic operations. This makes for enormously improved throughput. Benchmarks I've run show that the Pentium is 2-3 times faster at sustained floating-point operations than an AMD K6, at the same clock speed. This is the case even when both processors run code optimized specifically for them. - I wonder what I am missing out on. Only speed. And for most things, the AMD processors are just fine. Fractals happen to be a unique burden for a processor, though, and Intel x86 processors have a better FPU. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:18:22 -0400 From: davides Subject: (fractint) 3 julia pars Three julias from the default Mandelbrot. New_Dimension300 { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jun 26, 1999 t=0:00:17.47 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; Another julia reset=1960 type=julia passes=t center-mag=-2.77556e-016/2.22045e-016/0.8130081/1/0/42.197 params=0.3699901320299772/0.3148632294132985 float=y maxiter=7500 inside=maxiter colors=000<26>005K0K<34>lbumdwmdw<38>H3V000F1TE0SA20<10>yhW<22>A20111222\ UUY<29>xxvzzwyyv000<20>111MC7<6>yhW<14>A20000<31>0bi orbitdelay=2 } New_Dimension303 { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jun 26, 1999 t= 0:05:36.14 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 ; A dusty rose julia spiral reset=1960 type=julia passes=t center-mag=0.163363/0.484302/5.978001/1/0/42.197 params=0.3699901320299772/0.3148632294132985 float=y maxiter=7500 inside=maxiter decomp=200 colors=000YC`<5>lLq<30>G1IE0GF0G<29>jAglBhlBh<31>H1J71DF1HE0G<2>G0IH1JJ1\ K<23>mAmK00<39>w65w65v65<68>E0G<6>VAZ orbitdelay=2 } New_Dimension304 { ; (c) David Shanholtzer Jun 26, 1999 t= 0:06:47.11 ; P200 MMX 1024x768 reset=1960 type=julia passes=t center-mag=0.210974/0.415816/6.441811/1/0/42.196 params=0.3699901320299772/0.3148632294132985 float=y maxiter=7500 inside=maxiter decomp=200 colors=000YC`<5>lLq<30>G1IE0GF0G<29>jAglBhlBh<31>H1J71DF1HE0G<2>G0IH1JJ1\ K<23>mAmK00<39>w65w65v65<68>E0G<6>VAZ } davides@pipeline.com ds30@umail.umd.edu Back up my hard drive? How do I put it in reverse? - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:40:35 +1200 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? At 12:21 26/06/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all! > >Do any of you know where I could get a program (preferably a ray tracer) >that will make 3d pictures of the Mandelbrot set (both hypercomplex and >quaternion)? > Easy, POV-Ray! http://www.povray.org/ > This is the actual shape of the Quat fractal in three dimensions, > Actually, the Quat fractal is four-dimensional - the three-dimensional appearances are only a tiny slice of the whole thing. But then, in POV-Ray you can write animations and vary the parameters over time. Morgan L. Owens - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:38:01 -0700 From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint on AMD Terry, >My machine is an AMD 5x86. >Fractint seems to perform ok as far as I can tell. It's lots of fun. >What will a Pentium chip do better? >I have read statements from people on this list to the effect that the >floating point capability of the Intel chips is a great advantage in running >Fractint. >I wonder what I am missing out on. Since I have been leaning towards the AMD >K-6 for my new computer, and I really like using Fractint, what's the >advantage that the Pentium and Celeron chips have? I had an AMD K6 166 MHz. I swapped it for a Pentium MMX 233 MHz. I got about a 2.5 increase in performace by the swap. From my experience and what I've read, avoid non-Intel chips if you are concerned about floating point performance. The latest AMD chip may be an exception, but I'm not up on that one. The Celeron is a good bargin. With today's prices, a Celeron or a Pentium II should be had for a pretty good bargin. Ken... - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:36:38 -0500 From: David Kosokar Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Sorry about the misconception of the quat fractal, I was aware of it's 4d nature, but the "solid Mandelbrot" is what I'm interested in. I've used Pov-ray for years, and while I love it, the only fractals it does are juila sets, not the Mandelbrot set formulas. Is there some way to modify it (without learning c++) to do what I'm talking about? - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 20:14:08 +0100 From: "cm.davies" Subject: (fractint) Fractint and capturing colour cycling This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEC0D9.9D16B5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I wish to capture or output some of the colour cycling features of Fractinit so I can use the animations or avi's in some larger graphic arrangements that involve other clips from other programs. 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEC0D9.9D16B5A0-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:25:18 -0700 From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) Off Topic: New EMail Address Gumbycat is leaving Netcom. Our new email address is: gumbycat@worldnet.att.net Thanks, all! Mike and Linda A - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:57:02 -0600 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and capturing colour cycling [Just a short note first: in the future, please just send your message as plain text; no need to duplicate it with a second version in HTML which lots of people on this list won't be able to receive anyway because they don't use MIME capable mailers.] In article <000001bec0d1$3b524da0$943b883e@cm.davies>, "cm.davies" writes: > Hi, I wish to capture or output some of the colour cycling features of > Fractinit so I can use the animations or avi's in some larger graphic > arrangements that involve other clips from other programs. Any ideas anyone I think you can do this sort of animation (color cycling) with some of the titling/video editing packages, but I'm not familiar with them. You might check out web pages for video editing packages like adobe premiere. - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:59:34 -0600 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? In article <37750C11.442EE3D5@mn.mediaone.net>, David Kosokar writes: > What I mean is, suppose you took the original Mandel set, and cut out > just the black part. Now you rotate it along the Real axis, and create a > 3d shape from this (this is called latheing in the raytracers I've > seen). Let me see if I understand what you're asking... you want to make what is essentially a surface of revolution with the profile determined by the M-set? Since M is symmetric around the real line, this is reasonable. You could try rendering M as a bitmap and then generating a point list from the outline of the image, using the point list to define a polyline profile which is in turn used to define a surface of revolution. I'm not up on what raytracers support polyline descriptions of such surfaces, so I can't recommend a particular package. - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 01:03:19 -0600 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer In article <37745C19.D03C3E47@well.com>, kathy roth writes: > 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. > I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to > use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Backup is a hard question to answer. Since most people don't buy decent backup peripherals, they haven't yet achieved the same economy of scale that disk drives have. A zip drive isn't bad for backup up text files and things like that, but as Damien pointed out a few fat fractals will fill it up. Are you planning on backing up your entire hard drive? HD space is incredibly cheap right now, so you can end up with a huge backup task if you plan on doing full backups and incremental backups on a schedule. (If you consider everything on the HD volatile and only backup select files, then a ZIP is fine.) For the larger (> 2-3 GB) drives, a ZIP requires too many disks to backup the entire thing, even with compression. A JAZ drive is getting closer, but tape seems to be the only thing that can do it conveniently. Do you want to babysit the machine during a full backup waiting around to feed it new media? A tape drive will let you put the media in the drive and start the backup and leave it alone until it completes. An interesting alternative that's becoming viable with faster net connections is contracting for online archival of data for a monthly fee. PC magazine had an article about these within the last year or so, I believe. - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:55:17 -0700 From: "Dave Hershey (Volt Computer)" Subject: RE: (fractint) new computer Networking is the approach I use here at work. If I was getting a new machine and I wanted a good quantity of data from the old machine on the new one, I'd probably network the two machines together on a peer-to-peer and simply copy down the files from a share on the old machine. - --Dave. - -----Original Message----- From: Phil McRevis [mailto:legalize@xmission.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 12:03 AM To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer In article <37745C19.D03C3E47@well.com>, kathy roth writes: > 3) What do you think the best way is to back up data. > I have a Syquest Sparq and find it really irritating to > use, was thinking of getting a built-in Zip Drive. Backup is a hard question to answer. Since most people don't buy decent backup peripherals, they haven't yet achieved the same economy of scale that disk drives have. A zip drive isn't bad for backup up text files and things like that, but as Damien pointed out a few fat fractals will fill it up. Are you planning on backing up your entire hard drive? HD space is incredibly cheap right now, so you can end up with a huge backup task if you plan on doing full backups and incremental backups on a schedule. (If you consider everything on the HD volatile and only backup select files, then a ZIP is fine.) For the larger (> 2-3 GB) drives, a ZIP requires too many disks to backup the entire thing, even with compression. A JAZ drive is getting closer, but tape seems to be the only thing that can do it conveniently. Do you want to babysit the machine during a full backup waiting around to feed it new media? A tape drive will let you put the media in the drive and start the backup and leave it alone until it completes. An interesting alternative that's becoming viable with faster net connections is contracting for online archival of data for a monthly fee. PC magazine had an article about these within the last year or so, I believe. - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:39:31 -0500 From: David Kosokar Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? Well, the example given was just to convey the shape that I am interested in. I don't really want to create the shape from the outline of a processed image. I'd like to use a function like the julia fractal in Pov-ray, which does the analogous thing with julia sets. I would like to give it a parameter (or 2 or 3) and have it give me the shape, rendered and shaded. Anyone out there know of anything like that? I apologize if this is off topic. I just thought you folks would have more exposure to things of this nature. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:56:31 EEST From: Dimosthenis Baikos Subject: (fractint) Multifractals ? Hi all, Have anyone heard the term "multifractal"? (I have no idea what this might be). If anyone is interested on conferences on nonlinear dynamical systems and chaos (fractals are considered as well), here is an URL: http://www.chaos-schools.gr/ Unfortunately this is out of date. However this school/conference is organized once per year, so you coud register next year (if you wish)! ( :-)) ) Dimosthenis Baikos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:56:31 EEST From: Dimosthenis Baikos Subject: (fractint) Multifractals ? Hi all, Have anyone heard the term "multifractal"? (I have no idea what this might be). If anyone is interested on conferences on nonlinear dynamical systems and chaos (fractals are considered as well), here is an URL: http://www.chaos-schools.gr/ Unfortunately this is out of date. However this school/conference is organized once per year, so you coud register next year (if you wish)! ( :-)) ) Dimosthenis Baikos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:16:38 -0400 From: "Phil DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Hi Kathy, I just did a processor and motherboard upgrade, going from a K6-233 to a PIII-450. The difference is amazing. Generation times in Fractint are about 2.5 times faster, while Ultrafractal has speeded up by more than _4 times(!)_ in many cases. I think going from 64m to 256m of PC100 ram had alot to do with that, also. For video, I think you are safe with either a Matrox Millenium card or any of the cards based on the Riva TNT chip. These are very popular and have Vesa support built in. I use a Viper 550, and it works great for me. For backups, I use a second hard drive and a "drive image" program. There are some disadvantages to this, but it is fast, fast, fast, and the program I am using (from Powerquest) allows you to restore individual files as well as whole partitions. It also supports spanning Zip or Jaz disks. Good luck, Phil D. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:23:02 -0600 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? In article <3777F9A3.B90E5905@mn.mediaone.net>, David Kosokar writes: > [...] I would like > to give it a parameter (or 2 or 3) and have it give me the shape, > rendered and shaded. Anyone out there know of anything like that? Yep, I know what you mean. Having the primitive built into the ray tracer would be best. However, if that isn't available you have the choice of programming something that does it, or using the hack I described ;-). - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:28:54 -0600 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer In article <009801bec1bc$4868e940$50a943ce@phild>, "Phil DiGiorgi" writes: > For backups, I use a second hard drive and a "drive image" program. There > are some disadvantages to this, but it is fast, fast, fast, and the program I > am using (from Powerquest) allows you to restore individual files as well as > whole partitions. It also supports spanning Zip or Jaz disks. Yeah, that's a good idea. If you already have a SCSI interface on your PC, it might be easier to have the 'backup' drive be a SCSI drive that you can attach by a cable so you don't have to open the case. PC magazine has reviewd drive image programs - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:43:20 -0500 From: "Damien M. Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) new computer Phil, Kathy, - For video, I think you are safe with either a Matrox Millenium card or - any of the cards based on the Riva TNT chip. LOL, I didn't even think of that. I have a Riva TNT card right now, 16M AGP, and the card I had before that was an 8M Matrox Millennium. The Millennium was a great card, did 1152x864x16 at a really nice refresh rate, and had a razor-sharp image. Then I got my Riva TNT board, I was really worried about image quality, but this has a great, sharp image and does 1152x864x32 faster than the Millennium would do the 16-bit depth. And, of course, it has mind-bogglingly cool 3D performance. Both cards worked fine with FractInt. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:57:54 +1200 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) 3d Mandelbrot? At 17:23 28/06/99 -0600, you wrote: > >In article <3777F9A3.B90E5905@mn.mediaone.net>, > David Kosokar writes: > >> [...] I would like >> to give it a parameter (or 2 or 3) and have it give me the shape, >> rendered and shaded. Anyone out there know of anything like that? > >Yep, I know what you mean. Having the primitive built into the ray >tracer would be best. However, if that isn't available you have the >choice of programming something that does it, or using the hack I >described ;-). > If you don't mind a blocky low-res version, you could perhaps fool POV-Ray into doing it (at least, if you have version 3, preferably 3.1), by using the _definition_ of the Mandelbrot set: generate a three-dimensional array of quaternion Julia sets, intersect each one with a small cube centred at the origin, and then stack up the cubical pieces. This recognises the fact that the origin is inside the Julia set iff the set is connected; and the Mandelbrot set represents the set of all connected Julia sets. I don't know how slow this technique will be - unable to find the time yet to write the POV-Ray code - but I guess it probably wouldn't be as slow as it sounds; not much slower than an appropriate primitive, in fact, once parsing is out of the way. Then again, for C programmers the job of implementing an M-Set primitive shouldn't be insurmountable - the code is virtually all there already. Morgan - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@phoenix.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #398 ******************************