From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #434 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Friday, January 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 434 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:46:14 -1000 From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: Color Cycling - Longer than 256 colors? On 18 Dec 99 at 19:45, Phil McRevis wrote: > In article <0a01e46510412c9HNLMAIL3@hawaii.rr.com>, > "David Jones" writes: > > > Well, there's more to OS/2 than "Windows" - the WorkPlace > > Shell is much more capable than the W9x interface. > > Does an application needs to be coded differently on > OS/2 vs. Windows for this? Sorry, I have no idea. I read a book awhile back on the design of OS/2, but I don't remember the differences. Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond Trust in the Lord - not *rust* in the Lord! (D.Jones) - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:22:03 +0200 From: Randall Britten Subject: (fractint) Digest version of mailing list? Some mailing lists now offer a digest version, where all mails to the list are bundled into one daily mail. Can we do that with the fractint list? Those who prefer a daily summary can use that, and those who prefer the original style can continue that. - ----------------------- Randall Britten - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:46:49 -0700 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Digest version of mailing list? In article , Randall Britten writes: > Some mailing lists now offer a digest version, where all mails to the list > are bundled into one daily mail. Can we do that with the fractint list? Its already been done and has always been there. To switch from a reflected subscription to digest, send a message to majordomo@xmission.com with these commands in the message body: unsubscribe fractint subscribe fractint-digest You should then get a message asking you to confirm your digest subscription (to prevent others from signing you up to a mailing list without your consent). - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 06-01-00 (The Lost Rosette) (c) FOTD -- January 06, 2000 Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: Today was another busy one here at the Fractal Central, but not so busy that I needed to forget the day's fractal. The rush, however, meant that I had to call on my faithful MandelbrotMix4 formula to once again produce something in a hurry. The formula came through with flying fractal colors, as it calculated the difference between 100Z^(-0.9) and 100Z^(-0.899) plus 1/C. I named the picture "The Lost Rosette". I gave it this name because while trying a few hasty color schemes I noticed that with some color palettes the pattern around the central midget almost completely vanishes. I assume this vanishing act is due to the image being composed of a semi-orderly arrangement of discrete dots rather than the usual equal-iteration bands. The amber rosette is not really there; it only appears when certain optimal color palettes are applied. But whether the things one sees are there or not, the image is a worthy one, which earned its place of honor by appearing when I needed a fractal in a hurry. I must also thank my dedicated fractal-finding computer for the fractal of today. Were it not for this faithful machine, which has had an obvious hard life, I would never have had the time to run the unusually slow file on the old 486-DX4. As it is, the parameter file takes almost two hours on a fast Pentium. But the JPEG image file will soon be posted, (if I can figure how to use Agent rather than Free Agent), to Usenet at: and the always helpful Paul Lee will soon have the image on his web site at: The fractal weather today was everything an early January day should be in these parts -- sunny skies, brisk winds and a temperature of 41F (5C). The fractal cats had no comment. Due to the rush, I fear I must once again disappoint the hordes eagerly awaiting the next installment of philosophy. :-( But I'll probably get it posted tomorrow -- if not, the next day for sure. Until next time, take care, and if fractals are priceless, how can one put a price on them? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START FORMULA============================================== MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END FORMULA================================================ START PARAMETER FILE======================================= The_Lost_Rosette { ; time=1:53:52.12 on a p200, SF5 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+5.55235713027287100/+15.5451508344121000\ 0/376326.2/1/67.5 params=100/-0.9/-100/-0.899/-40/0 float=y maxiter=15000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=1435 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000AKO<7>AKCAKBAK9<2>AK5AK38B2<7>ZZYbaaede<3>\ rptZoY<12>FfhDfiCei<3>6cl<16>aHFbGDdFB<3>kA4<18>N8BM\ 8CL8C<3>G8D<2>_vb<19>tlrulsvks<3>zjv<3>UXyMUyNVw<19>\ RWcRWbSWa<3>SWY<3>iZPm_Mr_Kv`Iz`GvN9s93<11>O3FL3GI2H\ <3>81K<25>O1OP1OP1O<2>R1OR1OQ8P<3>Q_P<4>dVGgVEjUC<2>\ sR7uR6vUA<5>vgYviavke<3>vtt<4>snYsmUpGQ } END PARAMETER FILE========================================= START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Lost_Rosette { ; time=1:53:52.12 on a p200, SF5 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+5.55235713027287100/+15.5451508344121000\ 0/376326.2/1/67.5 params=100/-0.9/-100/-0.899/-40/0 float=y maxiter=15000 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=1435 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000AKO<7>AKCAKBAK9<2>AK5AK38B2<7>ZZYbaaede<3>\ rptZoY<12>FfhDfiCei<3>6cl<16>aHFbGDdFB<3>kA4<18>N8BM\ 8CL8C<3>G8D<2>_vb<19>tlrulsvks<3>zjv<3>UXyMUyNVw<19>\ RWcRWbSWa<3>SWY<3>iZPm_Mr_Kv`Iz`GvN9s93<11>O3FL3GI2H\ <3>81K<25>O1OP1OP1O<2>R1OR1OQ8P<3>Q_P<4>dVGgVEjUC<2>\ sR7uR6vUA<5>vgYviavke<3>vtt<4>snYsmUpGQ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:59:46 GMT From: juice@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Color Cycling - Longer than 256 colors? On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:46:14 -1000, "David Jones" wrote: >On 18 Dec 99 at 19:45, Phil McRevis wrote: > >> In article <0a01e46510412c9HNLMAIL3@hawaii.rr.com>, >> "David Jones" writes: >>=20 >> > Well, there's more to OS/2 than "Windows" - the WorkPlace=20 >> > Shell is much more capable than the W9x interface. >>=20 >> Does an application needs to be coded differently on >> OS/2 vs. Windows for this? > >Sorry, I have no idea. I read a book awhile back on the >design of OS/2, but I don't remember the differences. > OS/2 cannot run windows apps natively. All the people I have known had the tools to run windows apps. If I remember correctly, having a few critical files from windows was all that was neccesary. juice --have fun --harm none INTP G BR W - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:03:14 -0500 From: Gedeon Peteri Subject: (fractint) Updated web site and formula file Prompted by inquiries about "what parameters to use" with my formulas -- a question too general to be properly answered -- I reworked all of the formulas contained in my gfp.ufm file. Of course all of them remain compatible with uprs already generated. What I did was to supply defaults such that you will get at least a minimal image when starting a new fractal -- no blank screens! I hope this will help. You can download the new file directly from the index page of my fractal site (see link below), but it is also included in the parameter file packages you find on each of my pages. Please replace all old versions of gfp.ufm with this one. The file has been sent to Kerry Mitchell, so it will soon be included in his great compilation. In addition, I added several new formulas. None, I regret to say for lack of inspiration, are my own originals, but translations. These include several gravijul formulas as well as a few of my favorite Sylvie Gallet formulas from Gallet-3, 4, and 6. A bailout test parameter has been added to all, since I like the variations made possible by this addition. New images along with parameter files using these translated formulas have been added to my gravijul and Gallet pages. Your comments are welcome. Gedeon - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Fractals: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/fractals.html Member Infinite Fractal Loop Last updated: January 5, 2000 Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/photos.html Last updated: July 15, 1999 - -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:00:18 +1300 From: "Karl Scherer" Subject: (fractint) new coloring method / new flattening method Hi, I would like to present two (in my opinion) new METHODS for fractals. 1. The first is a method to color fractals. Using outside=iter can often result in very boring fractals with large monochrome areas. One way to enhance the image is using outside=atan. The following code offers an alternative color smoothing scheme that create effects very different and independent from outside =atan : ;--------------------------------------------------------------------------- colorfrm { ;special colour smoothing scheme by Karl Scherer! ; can be applied to ANY EXISTING MATH FORMULA loop=0, begin=1, rounds=1 , ;(Karl's additional vars) z=0: ;your settings IF (begin==1) ;====== insert your formula here ===================== z=... ;====== end of your formula ========================== r=|z|-8 ; equivalent to |z|<8 IF (r>=0) begin=2, rounds=r ; >>> try rounds =r/2 etc! <<< ENDIF ELSE loop=loop+1 ENDIF loop (x,y) ; radius stretched such that (0,0) => (0,-infinity) c=pi/5, x=imag(pixel),y=real(pixel) x=2*c*x, y=c*y, r=2^(-x), v=r*cos(y), w=r*sin(y), p=v+flip(w), {Karl's settings z=0: {your settings ;=========== insert your formula here ====================== z=... ;=========== end of your formula ============================ |z|<8000 {your bailout } I suggest to Tim Wegener to add to the FRACTINT HOME PAGE a now option a METHODS besides the existing FORMULAS and PARAMETER directories. This METHODS directory shall contain tools, methods (like my coloring scheme and my flattening scheme), tips and fractal code that may be used in all sorts of fractals. I think this would help other fractint users enormously. Next suggestion: Built my coloring method right into the next FRACTINT version! Karl Scherer 11 Utting Str, Auckland, New Zealand karl@kiwi.gen.nz Seen my homepage lately? http://www.kiwi.gen.nz/~karl - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:39:56 EST From: Genealogy1@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Pentium 700 Hi Everyone, I see speeds of Pentiums going faster all the time. Will a Pentium 700 speed the generation of FRACTAL images more than say a 350 Pentium would? Or is there just a point that generation time can't be speeded up any further? - --Bob Carr-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:54:37 -0700 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Pentium 700 In article <92.92244e10.25a681cc@aol.com>, Genealogy1@aol.com writes: > I see speeds of Pentiums going faster all the time. Will a Pentium 700 speed > the generation of FRACTAL images more than say a 350 Pentium would? I suppose there is a possibility that it would not, but the possibility is extremely small. Almost every fractal I can think of is what we call "compute bound", meaning that it is being generated at the limit of the CPU's performance. (Tasks that are "I/O bound" are operating at the limit of the I/O devices attached to your system and aren't sped up by adding more CPU power.) > Or is > there just a point that generation time can't be speeded up any further? If you could generate the image faster than the time it takes for your monitor to display it (generally 1/60th of a second), then there wouldn't be much point in computing the image faster if your intent was to display it. On the other hand, you could compute images faster than the display rate for off-line storage and later viewing. Also, the faster machines get at producing any particular fractal image, like the classic M-set renderings, the more people add fancy coloring options, layers, special effects, and so-on until all the available CPU power is gobbled up anyway ;-). Just another example of user expectations going up just as fast (if not faster) than hardware performance. - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:00:11 -0600 From: Tim Wegner Subject: Re: (fractint) Pentium 700 Rich wrote: > If you could generate the image faster than the time it takes for your > monitor to display it (generally 1/60th of a second), then there > wouldn't be much point in computing the image faster if your intent > was to display it. On the other hand, you could compute images faster > than the display rate for off-line storage and later viewing. For the default 320x200 fractal, the limiting factor for some time for my setup has been not the time to display the fractal, but the time for the mode to change from text to graphics. Every newer (and more capable) monitor I have gotten has been slower. My Optiquest V95 changes modes quite slowly - seems like several seconds). And of course when it is finally through changing modes, the 320x200 fractal is already done! Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 01:54:05 +0100 From: BeyerTh@t-online.de (Thomas Beyer) Subject: Re: (fractint) Pentium 700 Genealogy1@aol.com schrieb: > > Hi Everyone, > > I see speeds of Pentiums going faster all the time. Will a Pentium 700 speed > the generation of FRACTAL images more than say a 350 Pentium would? Or is > there just a point that generation time can't be speeded up any further? > > --Bob Carr-- Yes and no! The limit is the speed of your graphic adapter. Try the "standard" mandelbrot using 16 and 256 colors, and you will see that 16 colors is considerably slower. In this case nearly all the time is used to write the graphics. However I don't know if it is of interest generating a image in 3 or 2 seconds. If you want to zoom deeper, increase the iteration limit, use complex formulas, of course you benefit from the processor speed. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:47:02 -0700 From: Phil McRevis Subject: Re: (fractint) Pentium 700 In article <0FNX005S5XGBUU@mta2.rcsntx.swbell.net>, Tim Wegner writes: > For the default 320x200 fractal, the limiting factor for some time for > my setup has been not the time to display the fractal, but the time > for the mode to change from text to graphics. Interesting! I think some other people have mentioned that they feel fractint really stresses out their monitor because of the large numbers of mode switches in a session. Fractint is being dragged into the next millenium kicking and screaming, but like Dr. Who is about to be regenerated :-). - -- Legalize Adulthood! ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol, at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT legalize@xmission.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:11:11 +1300 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Pentium 700 At 16:54 06/01/2000 -0700, Phil McRevis wrote: > >If you could generate the image faster than the time it takes for your >monitor to display it (generally 1/60th of a second), then there >wouldn't be much point in computing the image faster if your intent >was to display it. On the other hand, you could compute images faster >than the display rate for off-line storage and later viewing. > But note that unless you have something like a RAM disk that can buffer all your fine work, you would quickly hit a bottleneck in disk I/O - something that is even more of a constraint than video refresh rates. I/O aside, an "arbitrarily fast" processor would still eventually find it self bogging down in waiting for things like memory access. But here sensible design of the motherboard resources should minimise this problem and would develop in parallel with the faster processors. (Not that that doesn't prevent some vendors from running overclocked chips on underpowered boards and advertising a really cheap fast machine). Morgan L. Owens "Attoparsecs per light-metre?" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:31:55 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD, 07-01-00 (Platinum Minibrot) (c) FOTD -- January 07, 2000 Fractal enthusiasts and visionaries: While browsing the Fractint list this evening, I came upon a letter pointing out that the outside=iter option often results in boring, monochrome fractals. This is true only if the fractal itself is boring. When this is the case, one of the fancier outside options can indeed be a great help. But an interesting fractal is interesting even when outside=iter. Today's FOTD uses the default outside=iter option, and I would say that the resulting image is anything but boring. I named the picture "Platinum Minibrot", though I could have named it "Silver Wings" or "The Lead Midget", or any of a hundred other names. The formula behind all this metal is once again the MandelbrotMix4, this time calculating 1.1Z^(-1.2)-1.3Z^0.9+C. The silvery, metallic feel was a complete accident, appearing at random as I cycled the color registers. Only a minor touch-up was needed once I had found the basic palette. The parameter file runs in 10 minutes on a fast Pentium 200mhz. On a 700mhz PentiumIII it will run even faster, but a download of the JPEG image file is the fastest of all. That download may be found on Usenet at: and on the W.W.Web at: The fractal weather was sunny and mild today here at Fractal Central, with an afternoon temperature of 47F (8C) that was perfect for fractals, cats and philosophy. The fractal turned out fine, the cats were happy, and the philosophy has already been posted to the philofractal list. And it's now time to shut down Fractal Central as well as the Fractal Central branch office, and call it another day. Until tomorrow, take care, and I wonder what are the odds that the particular midget in today's picture would ever have been found and made FOTD. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START FORMULA============================================== MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END FORMULA================================================ START PARAMETER FILE======================================= Platinum_Minibrot { ; time=0:09:52.06 on a p200, SF5 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+8.46610276281412900/-6.16202946773625500\ /335.6961/1/-77.5 params=1.1/-1.2/-1.3/0.9/0/100 float=y maxiter=4200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=73 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=0008VZ<10>BKKBJJBIHCHGCGFCFDCFDCECzrt<94>FFEF\ FDEFD<3>CDBshV<17>OLGMKFKJF<2>FFCDEBDY8<27>CKACJBCJB\ <3>CHBCKK<3>CccChhCmmYrrXsqXtpWuo<3>VysVztUzu<3>TzyT\ zzSzz<39>EzzEzzDzz<3>CzzTzz<3>Pzz } END PARAMETER FILE========================================= START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Platinum_Minibrot { ; time=0:09:52.06 on a p200, SF5 reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+8.46610276281412900/-6.16202946773625500\ /335.6961/1/-77.5 params=1.1/-1.2/-1.3/0.9/0/100 float=y maxiter=4200 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=73 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=0008VZ<10>BKKBJJBIHCHGCGFCFDCFDCECzrt<94>FFEF\ FDEFD<3>CDBshV<17>OLGMKFKJF<2>FFCDEBDY8<27>CKACJBCJB\ <3>CHBCKK<3>CccChhCmmYrrXsqXtpWuo<3>VysVztUzu<3>TzyT\ zzSzz<39>EzzEzzDzz<3>CzzTzz<3>Pzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:40:40 -1000 From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) Project Odin URL correction (was re 256 colors) Sorry, I went back to visit the link, and found that they've moved to: (without the index.html filename) Of interest to OS/2 users and people who might like an alternative to Microsoft products. Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond He was a fine old man, well-ripened. (D.Jones) - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:34:29 -1000 From: "David Jones" Subject: (fractint) Re: Color Cycling - Longer than 256 colors? On 6 Jan 00 at 9:59, juice@airmail.net wrote: > >> Does an application needs to be coded differently on > >> OS/2 vs. Windows for this? > > > >Sorry, I have no idea. I read a book awhile back on the > >design of OS/2, but I don't remember the differences. > > > OS/2 cannot run windows apps natively. All the people I > have known had the tools to run windows apps. If I > remember correctly, having a few critical files from > windows was all that was neccesary. Now you've got me confused ... What version of Windows are you talking about? WinOS/2 is IBM's optimized and recompiled (from licensed source code) version of MS Windws 3.1. WinOS/2 cannot be run except under OS/2 - IBM did a major rework of the W31 memory architecture - WinOS/2 handles memory management for WinOS/2. WinOS/2 comes with OS/2, although you don't have to install it if you don't want to. Some W9x application executables (not ported as source code) have been successfully converted to native OS/2 using a utility and libraries developed by the nonprofit Project Odin . Most publicly know of those convertable apps is the W9x version of Quake II. Project Odin is accomplishing this in a couple of ways - one is a utility that adjusts pointers within the executable to work properly under the OS/2 memory architecture and turns a standard W9x executable format into the standard OS/2 executable format. The most recent version of that utility can convert standard W9x DLLs on the fly. (This is similar to something for the Alpha or SPARC or some other RISC processor - I forget which.) The other is by building library DLLs that provide native OS/2 routines to provide the functionality of W9x system calls. I think a well-designed and coded W9x version of a Fractint DLL would be convertible, but good platform independent C or C++ code would be better. Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond Wake up, you scum-sucking dirtbag! (D.Jones) - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:34:30 -1000 From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: (fractint) Pentium 700 On 6 Jan 00 at 16:54, Phil McRevis wrote: > Also, the faster machines get at producing any > particular fractal image, like the classic M-set > renderings, Remember - programmers develop to the computer systems that they're using. No commercial software developer wants to waste its programmers time, so they get fast machines to develop on .. > the more people add fancy coloring options, > layers, special effects, and so-on until all the > available CPU power is gobbled up anyway ;-). Just > another example of user expectations Nope! Programmers like adding things - "Look at this cool thing I did!" > going up just as fast (if not faster) than hardware > performance. Yet, when you think about it, here we are with extremely powerful processors, yet we cripple them with MS Windows 9x and its partly-16-bit-real-mode/partly-32-bit-protected mode architecture, using the idiotic memory architectures dumped on us by Intel's idea of a processor .. Methinks part of the problem is that hardware is much more advanced than the software that many people use. Another blast of bits from David http://home.hawaii.rr.com/aliasjj/ http://www.hawastsoc.org/ For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com Random Thought for this Nanosecond Computers have a lot in common with ingrown toenails. (D.Jones) - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:10:59 -0800 From: "Mike and Linda Allison" Subject: (fractint) New Gumbycat Gallery http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery7.html (01-06-00) Drop by for a visit! Please! Linda ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit the Fractal Art Contest '99: http://www.fractalus.com/contest99/ Gumbycat's pages: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery7.html (01-06-00) http://www.toptown.com/innercircle/gumbycat/index.html (last update 10-27-99) (Gallery 12 is the newest, but Galleries 1 thru 11 have also been "renovated." So please visit them all!) Recent Usenet postings: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/abpf.html (last update 12-01-99) Copyright, all rights reserved: http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/copyright.html My GeoCities pages? All moved to Fractalus! My Email address? Changed to gumbycat@worldnet.att.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 02:57:33 -0600 From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Re: New Gumbycat Gallery Linda Allison wrote: > > http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery7.html (01-06-00) > > Drop by for a visit! Please! > Excellant images as always!! Thanks for the late night viewing! Later, P.N.L. - -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:42:16 -0800 From: "Marie Drozdis" Subject: Re: (fractint) New Gumbycat Gallery Nice site. I always love your galleries. ....as I love the fractal calendar that I have up now. January's fractal is one of yours, as are many of the other months. It's the best fractal calendar I've owned. Marie :) - -----Original Message----- From: Mike and Linda Allison To: UF ; FDG Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: (fractint) New Gumbycat Gallery >http://www.fractalus.com/gumbycat/gallery7.html (01-06-00) > >Drop by for a visit! Please! >Linda > - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:59:32 -0800 From: Gregory McClure Subject: RE: (fractint) Pentium 700 Hmmm, this is an interesting question, as it also would apply to some software I have created for multiprecision arithmetic. There are three pieces to this puzzle: 1) Internal hardware (video): These probably won't really be affected = by the faster PC. They are constrained to the accelerator used, and at = these speeds, probably won't see a difference, unless you have a change to a = faster accelerator. 2) Computer memory: They don't make memory that fast. So removing = cache con- siderations, it won't make a difference at these speeds. Your = processor is wait-stateing on memory fetches / stores to computer main memory, = and at these speeds won't see a difference. 3) Processor / cache: Now we get to some speed bumps. If the cache = is large enough and fast enough, you MAY see a speed difference. I am = assuming you are talking about a Pentium-II or Pentium-III style processor when you = use the 700 MHz speed quote. These processors, to some degree, pipeline instructions for potential multiple instruction execution. I am not sure what the = top limit of cache memory speed is, but bumping 350 to 700 Mhz may do something = for you. If you are looking for 2X improvement, you are probably not going = to see that. Fractals computation will be faster, but storage of a fractal of = ANY decent size will probably overflow whatever cache you have and start swapping = with the much slower main memory. Of course, the Fractal program would have to take advantage of = processor pipelining to get any of those speed benefits... Well, that's my guess anyway. Anybody who has a better knowledge of = the processor and cache capabilities of the Pentium-series chips probably can give = you a more accurate answer! The Kwisatz Haderach, =DF Gregory J. McClure - -----Original Message----- From: Genealogy1@aol.com [mailto:Genealogy1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 4:40 PM To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: (fractint) Pentium 700 Hi Everyone, I see speeds of Pentiums going faster all the time. Will a Pentium 700 = speed the generation of FRACTAL images more than say a 350 Pentium would? Or = is=20 there just a point that generation time can't be speeded up any = further? - --Bob Carr-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 12:53:50 -0600 From: "Paul N. Lee" Subject: (fractint) Speaking of new galleries..... Greetings, Stephen C. Ferguson has just put up a page at the following location: http://home.hiwaay.net/~stephenf/gallery-atr-02/index.htm The formulas are producing very interesting images. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@swbell.net Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #434 ******************************