From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #503 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Monday, October 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 503 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: makin_mischief@webtv.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) - --WebTV-Mail-19366-2314 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Paul Just want to let you know that this FOTD loaded ok for me. I've not been experiencing the problem that Multiple Bogeys has been having. CB - --WebTV-Mail-19366-2314 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.55) by storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 57DB816E; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: makin_mischief@webtv.net Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by smtpin-102-4.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id EC736104 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13m8bl-0007WT-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:51:17 -0600 Message-ID: <39EE8BEC.4EF4@Worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:51:40 -0500 From: "Paul N. Lee" Organization: Nahee Enterprises X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Cc: Multiple Bogeys Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-10-00 (Convoluted Fractal [5]) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > For some reason, this one isn't linked from > the October 2000 index page. Yes, it is. :-) > > However, it's still accessible by directly > punching in the filename. You might try refreshing your browser's cache. Both pages get uploaded at the same time, and tested afterwards. P.N.L. - -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - --WebTV-Mail-19366-2314-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 04:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: makin_mischief@webtv.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Life of the FOTD - --WebTV-Mail-19922-1102 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Jim Thanks for sharing this information! And keep those FOTD coming. I've been enjoying them for a long time. CB - --WebTV-Mail-19922-1102 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-101-7.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.41) by storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-7.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 3F1C5176; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: makin_mischief@webtv.net Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by smtpin-101-7.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D831A5 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13n91f-0002qI-00 for fractint-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:30:11 -0600 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.20001021203255.3317ca30@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jamth@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: fractint@lists.xmission.com From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) Life of the FOTD Sender: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com At 11:19 AM 10/21/00 EDT, Multiple Bogeys wrote: >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the >FOTD is posted to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, >and several hours later it is *then* posted on the Web? What happens in the life of the FOTD is this: When I complete my day's work, usually after 8pm, I relax with a brief trip to the world of fractals. When I find a promising image, I fuss with the colors. If the result is acceptable, I make the image the FOTD. If not, I try again. Then I study the image for a few minutes, trying to decide what to write about it and the day in general. By the time I finish writing, it is usually near 10pm. After a late snack, I read the article one more time to check for accuracy, then I post the image and discussion to the Usenet group. Occasionally, the Mindspring news server is down, which delays the Usenet posting. Next I post the discussion to the fractint list and the philofractal list. The version posted to the philofractal list often has material that I omit from the versions posted to the Fractint list and Usenet group. I do not send a personal e-mail to Paul. He receives the discussion from one of the mailing lists, and I assume he receives the image from the Usenet group. When he has the material, he posts it to his web site as soon as he can, but he too leads a busy life, and sometimes the posting to the web site is delayed. >This seems a needlessly convoluted way of doing things, and it >means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the Web at >is a lie for several hours before becoming true! Then wait a few hours before visiting the web site, and presto -- that lie will magically be transformed into an honorable truth. >Certainly a counter-intuitive way to manage the thing. It's no >wonder people are hitting odd dead links and being confused. As I state in every FOTD, the image can also be obtained by running the parameter file or downloading it from Usenet. If the time lag and occasional bad links at the web site annoy anyone, they may obtain the image from one of these alternate sources. The FOTD for October 22 is coming soon. (I hope) Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - --WebTV-Mail-19922-1102-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:07:51 EDT From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: (fractint) FOTD Flap. Gee. All I did was get rather confused when I read a message saying an image could be found on such-and-such a Web page, and it turned out not to be there. Understandably. And then more confused when informed that the fractal takes a non-intuitive convoluted route there instead of the obvious straightforward one. Hardly justification for some recent snide and even flaming remarks. I am starting to wonder if I am the only person here who thinks with a level head, and logically... In any case, I refuse to be dragged into a flamewar, and will not post anything further on the subject of delayed FOTD images, except to note that not everyone has ready access to Usenet (especially binary newsgroups), not all of those who do have the ability to decode binaries from Usenet, and the parameter files are not always as fast as 30-odd seconds. However, I do feel the need to remark that home.att.net is continuing to be flaky in ways that cannot possibly be caused by delays or convoluted trajectories of FOTDs. When trying to view Seaweed, I had to make 4 attempts - -- the first time the page rendered oddly (could be a Netscrape glitch though), the second time the image came up broken, the third time the whole page wouldn't load because the SYN sent to home.att.net received an incorrect response (RST instead of ACK), and the fourth time it acted normal. Does anyone have any idea why home.att.net's Web server is behaving flaky? It had been functioning normally for months until a few days ago... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:52:17 -0500 From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: (fractint) Version 20.1 patch 1 All, The executable for patch 1 to version 20.1 is now available as fradev.zip at: http://www.fractint.org/ftp/ Here's what's new: Fixed the display screen so the video memory doesn't get overwritten. This clears up the problem with extraneous dots with some fractal types. It should be possible to remove the textsafe=save from your sstools.ini file. Added Iain Stirling to the scrolling credits screen for his contribution of the inside=fmod and outside=fmod options. Reworded the error message received when more memory is requested than is available on your disk drive. The background= parameter, for 3D TGA files, is now saved to a PAR entry. Fixed the error message that appears when a parsing error occurs on startup. Cleaned up the savegraphics() and restoregraphics() routines. This should make them faster. Jonathan - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:50:21 -0500 From: DeBow Freed II PhD Subject: Let Me Re-Phrase the Question Re: (fractint) FOTD Flap. Dear MB's:

Please accept apologies for any rudeness in my recent public post referring to your questions. Any rudeness, again, was both unintended and previously apologized for in the body of the message itself.
I was trying, through the use of a light dose of sarcasm and no "emoto-faces", to ask whether there wasn't some circularity to the discussion. I meant it sincerely, and not as an insult, nor to initiate or to contribute to (what do you guys call it?) a "flamewar".
As the hoped for response from you has not been forthcoming, and I honestly don't know, may I ask the following, which is predicated solely on my personal experience with Jim's site and FOTD's, Paul's site located in the same city I live in (might that be a factor?) and obviously is limited by my lack of insight into the technical aspects of the numerical analysis you guys are in fact discussing?:

I  always hungrily download Jim's FOTD description first from <fractint@lists.xmission.com> whenever he posts it (almost invariably by 11-12M, CST), which is, in turn, rarely more than 1-2hrs before Paul has a chance to do the work necessary to set it up to be rapidly downloadable from his site here in Dallas.
At that point, I can begin to investigate the pearls whose links Jim has placed in his text for his readers, many of which lead to other sites and tangential issues I find of great interest.
As often as not, by the time I've finished snuffling for truffles, Paul has done his thing, and with one further mouse click on Jim's page I get Paul's, which by now (almost invariably by 2amCST) has the text and image, all of which downloads in < 1min.
If I try to download from the other site mentioned (alt.binaries.pictures.fractals), I consistently have trouble. You indicate, as I understand it,  that you either do not have acces to the binary site, or prefer not to use it for some other reason. Is that correct?
Apparently your problem lies exclusively with Paul's home.att.net -based site, right? And the discussion has been centered on those problems and speculation as to possible causes, ranging all the way from your own machine to the host's server. Is that right?

If those are correct interpretations of your posts, I'm wondering how many other readers have the same or similar problem with Paul's site?

I concluded from the lack of posts to that effect that the answer may be "none", but perhaps I didn't understand the nature of the issue. (I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, just to make sure I understand what's going on).

If so, what other options remain to improve your access to the FOTD's? Nothing is more frustrating than inability to access or to timely access a juicy website.

Is that a fair or even remotely correct summary of the fact situation? My ease of access to Paul's mirror site may relate purely to my being geographically close to Paul, or exist for another completely unrelated reason. Is there something I am missing here, or missed earlier?

Feel free to respond publicly or otherwise.

DeBow Freed

Multiple Bogeys wrote:

Gee. All I did was get rather confused when I read a message saying an image
could be found on such-and-such a Web page, and it turned out not to be
there. Understandably. And then more confused when informed that the fractal
takes a non-intuitive convoluted route there instead of the obvious
straightforward one. Hardly justification for some recent snide and even
flaming remarks. I am starting to wonder if I am the only person here who
thinks with a level head, and logically...

In any case, I refuse to be dragged into a flamewar, and will not post
anything further on the subject of delayed FOTD images, except to note that
not everyone has ready access to Usenet (especially binary newsgroups), not
all of those who do have the ability to decode binaries from Usenet, and the
parameter files are not always as fast as 30-odd seconds.

However, I do feel the need to remark that home.att.net is continuing to be
flaky in ways that cannot possibly be caused by delays or convoluted
trajectories of FOTDs. When trying to view Seaweed, I had to make 4 attempts
-- the first time the page rendered oddly (could be a Netscrape glitch
though), the second time the image came up broken, the third time the whole
page wouldn't load because the SYN sent to home.att.net received an
incorrect response (RST instead of ACK), and the fourth time it acted
normal. Does anyone have any idea why home.att.net's Web server is behaving
flaky? It had been functioning normally for months until a few days ago...

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- -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:43:54 -0700 From: Karl Simanonok Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) To make things worse, we don't even get a link to the FOTD itself, but instead to another URL where we have to go hunt for it. It would be far more considerate to everyone if one day could be skipped, just one time, and then each FOTD could represent the previous day's creation with its dissemination done well instead of done in so flaky a fashion. Regards, Karl Simanonok At 11:19 AM 10/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Let me get this straight. Instead of simply posting the FOTD >simultaneously to the Web, the newsgroup, and the list, the FOTD is posted >to the list and newsgroup and emailed somewhere, and several hours later >it is *then* posted on the Web? This seems a needlessly convoluted way of >doing things, and it means the line saying the FOTD can be found on the >Web at is a lie for several hours before becoming true! Certainly a >counter-intuitive way to manage the thing. It's no wonder people are >hitting odd dead links and being confused. >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:18:40 -0400 From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) FOTD 20-10-00 (The Oddest Angle [4]) >> To make things worse, we don't even get a link to the FOTD itself, but= instead to another URL where we have to go hunt for it. It would be far more considerate to everyone if one day could be skipped, just one time, and then each FOTD could represent the previous day's creation with its dissemination done well instead of done in so flaky a fashion. << Considerate to everone? I dob't think so!! The other solution I can see= to this whineing and bickering would be that Jim send the FOTD to Paul, and Paul would then forward it to the lists when he modifies the FO= TD pages. This would put additional work on Paul, and make the FOTD hours later for the rest of us who have no problems with it. (Anyway, the FOTD= always looks better if you generate it at higher resolutions from the par= file that the posted low resolution of 640x480 - so I prefer getting it before I go to bed in order to generate it at hi-res during the night. I= n the morning, I can behold it's wonder at 1600x1200.) - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 23-10-00 (Whinpeel [6]) FOTD -- October 23, 2000 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: While the mini-debate about the promptness of the FOTD rages, the FOTD goes on. Today's image has pinwheel-like characteristics. I could have named it "Pinwheel", but being one to do things differently, I have named it "Whinpeel", which is the same word with a few letters transposed. The expression 0.03(Z^50)+1.5(Z)+(1/C) was iterated by the MandelbrotMix4 formula to create the parent fractal, which is a Mandeloid with a bulb at the tip of the negative tail. Beyond the bulb lies an area of tiny dots, each of which expands into an entire fractal world when enlarged. Today's scene lies deep within one of those dots, on an axis of N-S symmetry that is removed from the actual X-axis. The coloring of this fractal was a bit problematical, with broad gradients giving a basically featureless image, and narrow ones not much better. I finally settled on one of the random palettes sometimes created by striking the key, in which there is virtually no order at all to the colors. To add a little zip, I blacked out the first few registers, so that the midget stands out like a glowing pinwheel in the black emptiness of space, shooting off sparks of fractal brilliance. The parameter file, which is attached below, takes 3 minutes to run on a 200mhz Pentium machine after the minute or so required to set it up and start it. The file of the GIF image takes only about 30 seconds to download from the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals after one reaches the site. The GIF file will also soon be available on Paul Lee's web site at: where it will soon be posted. The fractal weather today was once again perfect, though the temperature of 68F (20C) was a bit chilly for the ears of the fractal cats, who chose to rest in the sun on the porch rather than prowl the wilderness of the yard. The philosophy is coming along nicely, and in a couple days will burst forth in all its glory, but for the moment, the FOTD has come to an end. I'll have another fractal in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and you don't need to go searching for your fractal -- fractals are everywhere. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Whinpeel { ; time=0:03:09.22 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-2.37821892513348800/+0.15212393450154800\ /4.678664e+010 params=1/50/50/1/-0.97/0 float=y maxiter=1400 inside=0 logmap=58 periodicity=10 colors=000<3>000000000<3>000zYwbdz000uPc0000006eEmzF\ 000000q26<3>AtOZFTFmTKfYP_be54zzUcrBK_4PWO3uNHfYT5J<\ 2>UNaYtU<2>V_dxvshgmV20UGMwQphSkIBWMH_QNc5qIEhRM`_6V\ _BojIgiO_hDKQJ00PQaMT0<2>STX75AFDMNLXt3p<2>_Ni8KjnVy\ wUzcUpZTkfqIj94E5Nrd6eZPjQf7qNvlPB0GLFUwLEhPT6vVIgan\ EygJs`OmTP6URPSXoH`wOFCPiw<2>TXkt_FfWUcnp<2>WYi45yDD\ sMLmVQd<2>UTgDB0JHFPNUSkj<2>UXg3gvyjVqeZiaaaXdWcKVcW\ 7c`FccNce6cIEcRMc_fc1wcp6c_EcbMceUcd<2>Ucgsczjcsacmc\ cc_meXmfimupmz<2>ZmkDmAJmMPmXTm1<2>UmY8mtEmpJnmPpj2p\ UGp`VpF<2>Up`0tVFta4tb7tK<2>PtacwfZwgSwVTwapws4whDwg\ MwgZwdXzeWzfVzgKzO7z9<2>Pz_jzewzn<2>`zhXzHWzQVzZtzJk\ zq<2>YziGzH<2>Rza8zvIzc<2>RzfMz_QzcVzTUz`EzaKzcPzeRz\ bSzdTzfGzWLz_QzcAzt<2>Pzjtzu<2>_zjOzq<2>TziZziXzhVzg\ 5zCEzNMzYDzdFzVIzK } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 24-10-00 (Whinpeel [7]) FOTD -- October 24, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's lively fractal was created by the mathematical formula Z^(-11)-11Z^(-1.1)+(1/C), and calculated by the fractal formula that I call MandelbrotMix4. As are most of my fractals, the scene is one of a midget Mandelbrot set lying in a vastly larger parent fractal. This parent fractal is better seen than described, but basically it consists of a fractal 'fan', with a spike extending out from the fan along the positive X-axis and a ring at the end of the spike. Today's midget lies in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn lies in the eastern extremity of the ring. I named the picture "Fractal Peanuts" because of the many peanut- like shapes infesting the area. I rated the picture an above average 7 because in my opinion it is above average. And yes, I did enhance the colors a bit in a graphic program, but this is no cause for concern, because I saved the enhanced version as a GIF graphic, imported it into Fractint, saved the enhanced color palette as a .map file, and applied the enhanced colors to the original image. Then I made the parameter file from the color- enhanced image, which means that the enhanced colors will be seen regardless of whether the image is rendered from the parameter file or downloaded from Usenet or the Web. For those who choose to run the parameter file and wait 6 minutes, the file is attached to the bottom of this letter. Those who choose to download the GIF image file from Usenet will find it posted to the binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals Those who wish to pick up the image from Paul's web site at: should wait until he has a chance to post it before visiting the site. The fractal weather today was perfect. This perfect October is making up for the far-from-perfect Summer that just ended. The fractal cats must agree, for they spent the afternoon in the yard, guarding the marigolds from butterflies and keeping the local raccoons at bay. And now it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe, give the cats their nightly snacks, and call it a night. I've really got to take some pictures, not only of the fractal cats but of myself as well. One of these days I'll get that camera I keep thinking about but never get around to purchasing. Until next time, take care, and keep fractaling forever. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Peanuts { ; time=0:06:44.25 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+10.41462664889111000/+0.0473402357575368\ 0/2.269743e+008/1/-2.5/-0.002 params=1/-11/-11/-1.1/0/5000 float=y maxiter=1600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=124 periodicity=10 colors=000<3>0000000000700600E90C40GB0JG0OM0RR<3>0do\ 0hp0ir4ktBmtJpvRrxYtxfvzozzvzzzzz<2>zzzzzt<2>zodzk_z\ hX<3>zVCzR7zO3zK0tP0kU0dX0X_0Pc0Hh09k03o00r00v01m09f\ 0H_3PU6YMBfEGo7Kx1Oz0Uz0Yz0az0Uz9KxOCoa4fo0Yh0Pc0HX0\ JR1PK1VG3a93f44m04r06x06v09v0Bv4CvBEvGHvKJvPKtXMtaOt\ fRtmUtrVtxXtzYfxGVt0Yo3ak4df7hc9i_BmVEpRGtMJxJKzGMzJ\ J<3>zPCzRBzU7<3>z_1za0zd0za0za1za1va3p_3k_4f_4a_6X_7\ RY7MY9HY9CYB7YBEX0KX06Y90_X0at0fr0ip6moEpmOtmYzk<2>z\ zfzzfzz_vzV<3>Yz9Rz4Kz0Gz09z03z00z00z00z00z70zH0xR<2\ >0xv3fkKkcckVvkMz_EzfHzcKz_OzXPzUUzPXzM_zJa<2>z9kz1m\ z0pz0tz0vzExzpxzrzztzxvzvxztzz<3>kzzizzhzz<2>czzfzpi\ zdmzUozO<3>vz9oz4iz1cz0Yz0Rz0Mz0Pz0Rz6VzGXzO_zYazhcz\ pYzkUzf<2>EzUBzO6zJ1zG<2>0z10z03z0Mz0dz0zz0zz0zzUzzz\ Uzo0zf0za1zY4zV7zPBzMEzJ0z0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) FOTD 24-10-00 (Fractal Peanuts [7]) FOTD -- October 24, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's lively fractal was created by the mathematical formula Z^(-11)-11Z^(-1.1)+(1/C), and calculated by the fractal formula that I call MandelbrotMix4. As are most of my fractals, the scene is one of a midget Mandelbrot set lying in a vastly larger parent fractal. This parent fractal is better seen than described, but basically it consists of a fractal 'fan', with a spike extending out from the fan along the positive X-axis and a ring at the end of the spike. Today's midget lies in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn lies in the eastern extremity of the ring. I named the picture "Fractal Peanuts" because of the many peanut- like shapes infesting the area. I rated the picture an above average 7 because in my opinion it is above average. And yes, I did enhance the colors a bit in a graphic program, but this is no cause for concern, because I saved the enhanced version as a GIF graphic, imported it into Fractint, saved the enhanced color palette as a .map file, and applied the enhanced colors to the original image. Then I made the parameter file from the color- enhanced image, which means that the enhanced colors will be seen regardless of whether the image is rendered from the parameter file or downloaded from Usenet or the Web. For those who choose to run the parameter file and wait 6 minutes, the file is attached to the bottom of this letter. Those who choose to download the GIF image file from Usenet will find it posted to the binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals Those who wish to pick up the image from Paul's web site at: should wait until he has a chance to post it before visiting the site. The fractal weather today was perfect. This perfect October is making up for the far-from-perfect Summer that just ended. The fractal cats must agree, for they spent the afternoon in the yard, guarding the marigolds from butterflies and keeping the local raccoons at bay. And now it's time to shut down the fractal shoppe, give the cats their nightly snacks, and call it a night. I've really got to take some pictures, not only of the fractal cats but of myself as well. One of these days I'll get that camera I keep thinking about but never get around to purchasing. Until next time, take care, and keep fractaling forever. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Peanuts { ; time=0:06:44.25 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+10.41462664889111000/+0.0473402357575368\ 0/2.269743e+008/1/-2.5/-0.002 params=1/-11/-11/-1.1/0/5000 float=y maxiter=1600 bailout=25 inside=0 logmap=124 periodicity=10 colors=000<3>0000000000700600E90C40GB0JG0OM0RR<3>0do\ 0hp0ir4ktBmtJpvRrxYtxfvzozzvzzzzz<2>zzzzzt<2>zodzk_z\ hX<3>zVCzR7zO3zK0tP0kU0dX0X_0Pc0Hh09k03o00r00v01m09f\ 0H_3PU6YMBfEGo7Kx1Oz0Uz0Yz0az0Uz9KxOCoa4fo0Yh0Pc0HX0\ JR1PK1VG3a93f44m04r06x06v09v0Bv4CvBEvGHvKJvPKtXMtaOt\ fRtmUtrVtxXtzYfxGVt0Yo3ak4df7hc9i_BmVEpRGtMJxJKzGMzJ\ J<3>zPCzRBzU7<3>z_1za0zd0za0za1za1va3p_3k_4f_4a_6X_7\ RY7MY9HY9CYB7YBEX0KX06Y90_X0at0fr0ip6moEpmOtmYzk<2>z\ zfzzfzz_vzV<3>Yz9Rz4Kz0Gz09z03z00z00z00z00z70zH0xR<2\ >0xv3fkKkcckVvkMz_EzfHzcKz_OzXPzUUzPXzM_zJa<2>z9kz1m\ z0pz0tz0vzExzpxzrzztzxvzvxztzz<3>kzzizzhzz<2>czzfzpi\ zdmzUozO<3>vz9oz4iz1cz0Yz0Rz0Mz0Pz0Rz6VzGXzO_zYazhcz\ pYzkUzf<2>EzUBzO6zJ1zG<2>0z10z03z0Mz0dz0zz0zz0zzUzzz\ Uzo0zf0za1zY4zV7zPBzMEzJ0z0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:26:47 -0700 From: Karl Simanonok Subject: (fractint) Re: Your FOTD post Dear D. Freed II, Well, you certainly know how to take on a smug, self-righteous tone, don't you, DFII? You actually think that people who dislike wasting their time are 'obsessive-compulsive'? Just how is 'MB' supposed "to document his apparent representation that this is a sytemic problem", the implication being that if he cannot (and it seems for practical purposes it is an impossible task), then it really isn't a problem? How do you think he might find people who long ago simply gave up on the fractal-hunting hassle and stopped trying, and unsubscribed from your list? There's no hint at all in your defensive text to me that you'll do anything about it even if he scrapes up dozens of people who agree with his assessment. So why the charade? Yes, the FOTD is a 'free gift' for which nobody is 'charged', but it is not 'at no trouble to us' if it's necessary to go hunting for it, and if it's not online when we get to where it ought to be; it's a time-wasting nuisance to go hunting for it, and even more so if it isn't even where the post said we should start our search. MB's gripe is that frequently it's not online, mine is more that we shouldn't have to go hunting for it at all. We see a little problem, we understand how the Internet works and how easily the little problem could be fixed, and we comment on it in a public forum. Why the negative reaction? The problems we observe and comment upon have nothing to do with 'tolerance' or lack thereof, that is your spin overlaid on the situation and it contributes nothing useful. Understandably, as the owner of the list you probably feel that the FOTD is the major thing that keeps it going, and you probably don't want to see your prime contributor get 'pissed off' and quit posting. That's fine, but it shouldn't go so far as to blind you to the rather obvious minor irritants inherent in how the FOTD is presently set up, nor cause you to deflect the issues as only being in the minds of the beholders. You could do a lot more good by stimulating a discussion of how to make it better than by reacting in defense of the status quo, is my point. You may perhaps enjoy the luxury of plenty of free time on your hands, but often when I check my email, my time is very limited. If I receive an email containing an interesting hyperlink I may go to the Web site it points to, and once in a while I do go to check out the FOTD. But since it is a bit of a nuisance to do so, I only do that when I have a chunk of free time (like I do right now, or I wouldn't bother), which boils down to maybe once or twice a month. If I just got a clickable link in the FOTD posts I'd view it a lot more often, and I'd like to be able to do that (I can keep reading other emails while a Web page is downloading, but chasing hyperlinks around is a single-threaded activity). I thought I WAS providing a 'tractable alternative' by suggesting that the FOTD could be delayed a single day, just once, as a cure for the problems that exist with it. Since you're apparently already willing to chase around for it and apparently you don't care that sometimes you don't even find it, it's amazing to me that you think a one-time, one-day delay would be such a big inconvenience for you and everybody else. Don't you realize that every subsequent FOTD would be for 'that day', and in a very short time you'd forget the one-time minor inconvenience in favor of the long-term benefit gained? In the long run you'd probably get more subscribers on the list too, if they got reliable FOTD links to click on that would immediately load the graphic of interest (I've considered unsubscribing because the list has only very marginal value to me presently, and I can always go visit Jim Muth's Web site if I feel the urge). There are plenty of other solutions, however. The best one would be a better ISP, I suppose. I wrote Jim Muth shortly after subscribing to your list about the poor links in his FOTD posts and he indicated that it had something to do with how his ISP operates (if I remember correctly). Unfortunately my DCN Web space is nearly filled already so I can't offer it for the FOTD (sorry I can't implement that suggestion, but keep them coming). There are many sites which do offer ample free space (I have an account at zing.com for images, for example), and the readers of your list may have numerous helpful suggestions to offer as well, if they are encouraged to. As moderator of the fractint list you are in a good position and (I would think) should be motivated to improve it instead of digging in your heels and denigrating people for wanting to see it improved. Regards, Karl Simanonok, Ph.D. At 08:19 PM 10/22/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Karl, > >For some reason, your post on the Fractint List - which is dated Saturday >- just hit my machine about 5 minutes ago. > >Realize that your comments are damaging to a totally gratuitous process >which is problem-free for virtually all users except, apparently, Monsieur >Multiple Bogeys and yourself. I invited MB to document his apparent >representation that this is a sytemic problem this afternoon. No reply. > >It apparently is an issue of tolerance. This is obviously somethng that is >done in their spare time, at the end of their bill-able day, in the middle >of the night, at no charge or trouble to us. A free gift. > >The 1-3 hr delay between Muth's posting of text and the posting of the >image by Lee on his att.net site (which I assume is also your source of >preference) is a small matter IMHOP. It only causes problems for people >who elect to so define it. > >I would rather get the text from Muth when he produces it in realtime, >have the opportunity to "root for truffles", before downloading the image >in real time, as soon as Lee can get to it - rarely more than 1-2 hrs later. > >Apparently you would have us ALL wait an extra day so that you and >Monsieur MB can satisfy a bizarre, and as-yet-unexplained, >obsessive-compulsive insistence upon "simultaneity" satisfied. It's not >"confusing" to anyone who elects to visit the site more than once. (Read >the text which clearly makes no guarantee of immediacy or coincident >appearance on both Muth's site and Lee's) > >I choose to view Paul Lee's contribution (which spares me a problematic >trip to "alt.binary"-land) as an opportunity to get Muth's text and >associated pearls a few hours earlier - or in your world, an entire DAY >EARLY - rather than to accuse what strike me as extraordinarily generous >hosts of not being "considerate" (of your own, individual needs). > >Quite frankly, I - and apparently other users as well - don't WANT to be >compelled to wait one whole day longer to get Muth's text merely so that >your own and MB's O/C demand for simultaneity can be satisfied. It would >be great, but it ain't happenin'. > >Rather than piss off the providers, how about providing tractable >alternatives (i.e., offer to use UC Davis' facilities to make Muth's FOTD >available to the entire Web within seconds of its being posted??). > >D. 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