From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #525 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Monday, January 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 525 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:07:00 -0600 From: DeBow Freed Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: reality check/respect for the Dead Bobster-

Chill out and grow up.

You are being good-naturedly teased (by all, as far as I can tell) for your apparently age-related ignorance of The Grateful Dead (who cares? - certainly not them or any of their fans).

You are also being - IMHO - legitimately taken to task for your irritatingly puerile habit of subjecting others to your gratuitous commentary about subjects you not only know nothing about, but haven't even bothered to do the most basic kind of research on: going to the library. In my post, I told you exactly where in a law library you could locate the information you claim to seek.

And in your latest post you confirm that you are too lazy to educate yourself. It's one thing to be ignorant of the law - it's another to be totally unwilling to go to a law library - or to get on-line - and to read it for yourself. Even more revealing is your demand that you be spoon-fed.

Sorry, Bob, but no - I won't waste further of my time to spoon-feed you whatever it is you think you want to know about PAT and copyright law. Traynor and others tried, too, apparently to no avail.

I can only imagine what invective any further good-faith attempt to provide you a digest of relevant statutory and case law would provoke. Hence Traynor's, my own, and others' effort to point you to the references - - which remain accessible to you on-line. All you have to do is to quit whining and read a recent review article in the legal literature. For some reason, you appear to be blocked here.

It shouldn't provoke feelings of inferiority, just embarrassment (having previously placed not one but both of my feet in my own mouth in front of this audience, I assure you that it is surgically correctable).

Finally, a personal request: kindly re-read my post and - for a change - - do me the favor of completely and accurately quoting me: as usual, you selectively quoted my post to make yourself appear to have been unfairly attacked. You weren't.

That portion of my post you failed to quote (the very next line) stated with respect to the Grateful Dead: "I'm no fan of their music either". Either go to law school, hire an attorney, or go to the library (online or off). Don't expect people to continue to spoonfeed you when you haven't even expressed the slightest modicum of gratitude for the help you've already been given.
 

DeBow

PS - Any time you want to pay the going rate for legal consulting, let me know. Otherwise, don't expect those who have done their homework to do yours for you at no charge.
        Happy New Year.
 
 
 
 

Bob Margolis wrote:

DeBow Freed II PhD wrote:
>
> Fellow Fractaliers-
>
> Interesting that in 10 posts from one Discussant in less than 4 hours,
> we "newbies" are allegedly being "enlightened" about copyright law as
> it pertains to visual and aural art (music) by someone who admits he
> doesn't even know who The Grateful Dead are (let alone one iota of the
> law).

Why am I being criticized for not knowing The Grateful Dead? What
bearing does that have I what I've learned about copyright law? In all
that I've read about copyright law, I've never come across the name The
Grateful Dead. Would knowing about The Grateful Dead make me more
knowledgeable about copyright law?

Or don't you have better things to do than to criticize me for my lack
of knowledge regarding the rock scene?

>
> I'm no great fan of the Dead but at least know that they pioneered
> combining cover art and musical content, and maintained almost
> complete control of their "intellectual property" - and their profit
> margin - maintaining control of the entire process from neuron to Net
> by marketing and selling it themselves, in accordance with existing
> Patent and Trademark ("PAT") Law, and relevant copyright statutes
> which have governed the music industry for years.

Hooray for you, DeBow Freed II! You are so much better than I am because
of your knowledge of The Grateful Dead.

Since you see fit to put me down a notch or two, why don't you get up in
front of the class and tell us all you know about copyright law, without
telling us all the places we should go to research the topic? I'm
willing to listen. Maybe I could learn something from you since you find
yourself so superior to me.

It would be more appropriate if you tell the others what you personally
know about copyright law instead of showing them how you can make a
personal attack on. Your attacking me does nothing to show that you're
learned about copyright law.

Bob

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- -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:15:50 -0600 From: "Melton Voelkel" Subject: Re: (fractint) Jim Muth formulas Yes. Go to Les St Clair's site. You will find a link at the bottom of the page that will take you to the page where you can download all pars and frms. There are also many other pars and frms that can be downloaded here as well. A link to his site is included below. Melton http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/fracindex.htm - St. Clair's web site. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 3:54 PM Subject: (fractint) Jim Muth formulas > Is there a site or a location where I can download all of the formulas Jim > Muth has posted? > > TIA > > --Bob Carr--(Ocala, FL) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:45:26 -0500 From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) A smoothly colored PTC fractint image Hi Ron, Nice pinwheels. Now here is a very different effect that can be obtained= from PHCs. I zoomed out a bit, rezoomed into a different area, and tweaked a different palette to get this: Pick_up_sticks { ; t=3D 0:07:3= 5.51 ; on a P233 at 1600x1200 Dec 30, 2000 16:42:26 ; Image Copyright 2000 by Lee H. Skinner ver=3D2001 ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 5 reset=3D2001 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dfractint.frm formulaname=3Dmandexplayers1 passes=3D1 center-mag=3D-0.26522306514257030/+0.85440422535186790/4790.782 params=3D10000/10/0/100/128/65 float=3Dy maxiter=3D1024 inside=3D0 decomp=3D256 periodicity=3D0 cyclerange=3D0/255 colors=3DX00<32>s00s00t00<2>v00w00z99<2>yF9xG9xI9xJ8xL8<5>xU5xW5xX4xY4<= 3>x\ d4xf4xh3xi3xk3z00000yo2yq2ys20zzyv1yx1zz0zz0zy0zx0zx0<10>js1hs2gr2<2>bq= 2\ `p3Yp3<3>Mo6Jo7Fn8<3>BnCAnD9nE7nF<8>7qZ7q`7qc7re7rg6sj<8>7rs7rt7ru<2>8r= x\ 8ry8px<5>9bq9`p9Zo<3>9QjANhALh<3>BDfBBfC9eC7eC5dD2c<13>P0`Q0`R0_<3>V0_V= 0\ _W0_W0_X0_<3>_0`<9>F0GD0EB0C<3>303000000<47>X00 } Lee - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:55:21 -0600 From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: reality check/respect for the Dead DeBow Freed wrote: > > Bobster- > > Chill out and grow up. > As stated in my previous posting, this is how you try to show me and others here who are interested in copyright law and fractal art how I am in wrong in what is copyrightable and what the *correct* interpretation should be. I have already provided references here to the Copyright Law of 1976 and have quoted a couple of significant paragraphs from it. If I am wrong, I can accept that. I'm not afraid one bit to admit I've been mistaken. Why can't you just come out and tell all of us what the real facts are. There are others here, as I said, who also want to know what's what. I'm sure it wouldn't take that many sentences for you to set the record straight. Instead. you tell me, "I won't waste further of my time to spoon-feed you whatever it is you think you want to know about PAT and copyright law." Providing me with a list of law tomes and telling me to research the topic is not a way to have discourse. It doesn't prove you know anything about copyright law, either, or that you even opened the books you mentioned. It's easy for you to say, "Any time you want to pay the going rate for legal consulting, let me know. Otherwise, don't expect those who have done their homework to do yours for you at no charge." But it doesn't prove you're an authority of any kind, either. You come across as telling not only me, but everyone else who may be interested in the copyrighting of fractal art and have questions to ask about it, that you're not willing to discuss the matter with us other than to provide a list of legal reference books. If you set me straight, you're setting everyone else straight at the same time. That's what discussion is about. That's one of the reasons for this *discussion* group. It's to talk about things of interest to users of FractInt. So far, your contribution to this discussion has shown your arrogance and pompousness, and an unfriendly demeanor, traits which has turned off some people toward you in the past in the Ultra Fractal discussion group. I certainly did read Mike Traynor's post, "Subject: Re: (fractint) U.S. Code pertaining to copyrights is at Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:54:24 - -050. I understood fully what he talked about. It concerned my use of the word "theft." It also concerned the difference between copyright infringement and "fair use." I didn't respond to his post because I had no quarrel with what he had to say. Since then, I have not used the word "theft" in my discussions. As for the phrase "fair use," earlier today, I posted this to the fractal-art discussion group: - ------------------- Re: Fair Use 2.Nature of the copyrighted work–This factor is concerned with whether the work is creative (art, music, novels, films, plays) or factual or nonfiction based, and whether it is unpublished or published. Creative works are more likely to fall under copyright protection and factual works subject to fair use. Unpublished works are less subject to fair use than published ones because of the impact on the author’s right to determine the "first public appearance" of his/her undisseminated expression. [2, p. 88] This is from http://www.umass.edu/acco/mrs/copyright.html . - --------------------- So, I have done some homework, contrary to what you want people here to believe. My basic premise has always been that fractal artwork is copyrightable under provisions of copyright law, and that no one outside its creator has the right to make use of it in a public manner without obtaining consent first from its owner. I'm not talking about someone who downloads a picture or parameter file and works with it in private. I'm talking about someone who altered my artwork (by placing text over it) and then displayed it at his Web site *before* he came to me and asked me to grant him permission for what he had done. That's all the issue has really been. If I used the word "theft," then I was in error, according to Mr. Traynor's Section 506 citation and I duly note my mistake. Was Mr. Miller making "fair use" of my artwork? Not according to the already cited, "Creative works are more likely to fall under copyright protection and factual works subject to fair use." I learned from what Mr. Traynor had to say. He didn't get irate and spew venom at me in the manner in which you did. He didn't tell me to go either online or to a public library and read Section 506 in the law books. He was a gentleman in explaining what it was all about and I thank him for it. You also can learn from him in how to treat others with decency, and not resort to telling people to "chill out and grow up," after they react to your verbal attacks. Bob - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:39:08 +1300 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) What is covered by copyright? At 11:20 30/12/2000 -0600, Bob Margolis wrote: >"Morgan L. Owens" wrote: > > > > > > Try looking up what the law says. Copyright Act 1973, wasn't it, Bob? > > > >1976. > >Here's a handy URL that I posted Wednesday: > >http://www.umass.edu/acco/mrs/copyright.html . Oh, yes; I'd gone back to your posts of Wednesday to check that reference - guess who uses the numeric keypad to type years :-) Morgan L. Owens "With amendments through to 1999" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:55:27 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: reality check At 10:49 AM 12/30/00 -0600, Bob wrote: >if you asked me a week ago, I would have >thought a 'deadhead" is where my letters wound up at the post office. \>:-D In truckers'/cabbies' parlance, a leg of the trip's/day's travel without cargo/passengers (and, consequently, compensation). :-) Bud P.S.: I happen to enjoy the Dead's music, as I enjoy well-executed work from various musical genres (theirs being a folk/hippie-type thing). But if you have issues with social and neurochemical experimentation, you might have problems with the subtext of the Deadhead phenomenon. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:03:46 -0500 From: "Barry N. Merenoff" <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) Re: reality check/respect for the Dead Message text written by INTERNET:fractint@lists.xmission.com >Was Mr. Miller making "fair use" of my artwork? Not according to the already cited, "Creative works are more likely to fall under copyright protection and factual works subject to fair use."< In other words, putting the fractal on the CD cover is not fair use becau= se then the fractal no longer "falls under [the] factual work" of illustrati= ng a mathematical formula. Right? Sincerely, Collin - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:28:13 -0200 From: marcus de almeida rezende Subject: Re: (fractint) Request for Black and White Fractals You can have two different ways: 1a. use map=gamma1 or map=gamma2 or map=gamma3 in "sstools.ini" 1b. draw any normal fractal. Push "c" for color and "L" to choose a color map, than chose one of those above nominated. This way you will have fractals draw only in gray tones (and black and white too). 2. push "del" to select a video mode then press F6 or F7 or F8 You will have any fractal draw in only two colors: Black and white. Good luck and a happy new year for your bigger family Marcus Rezende "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > If anybody wishes to assist and individual with a special request, then > here is what I received by email (along with a followup email allowing > it to be posted): > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Sandy Matrai wrote: > > > > What I am really seeking is Black and White imagery of > > fractals for my baby. He is 8 weeks old and I have been > > told black and white images are ideal at this age. Know > > where I might find some B&W Fractal art?? Thanks so much > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Sandy Matrai wrote: > > > > I am more than happy for you to pass my email address to > > those you think may be able to help me, so mail away! > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:19:12 -0600 From: Bob Margolis Subject: (fractint) Re: reality check... > In other words, putting the fractal on the CD cover is not fair use because > then the fractal no longer "falls under [the] factual work" of illustrating > a mathematical formula. Right? > As has been pointed out, I'm just a "shade tree lawyer." I found something that mentioned "fair use" of copyrighted material and quoted it. Since I never went to law school, I hope you don't expect me to interpret what was meant by "fair use" in the document I pointed to here. But let's look at it a different way, Collin. Let's say you loaned me your car for a brief spell. I drove it around town doing some errands, and filled it with gas before returning it to you. You would consider that "fair use" of your car, wouldn't you? Now let's say that I drove it around town, hot rodding down side streeets, driving on the neighbors' lawns, and then returned it to you with a dent in it received from hitting a garbage can. Would you consider that "fair use" of your car? Putting the copyright issue aside for sake of this discussion, here's how I would view "fair use" of my artwork. Johnny Jones likes my fractal artwork. He wants to show it at his Web site along with other fractal artworks that he likes. He displays thumbnail images of all the pretty pictures and allows the viewer to click on any image to view it at full resolution. That seems to be "fair use" of other people's artwork, doesn't it? But Jimmy Jones, Johnny's brother, also likes my artwork along with that of other people's, and he, too, wants to display them at his Web site. But, before he puts the pictures up for display, he places text atop each picture so that the underlying pictures are obscurred by the lines of text. Therefore, he's not really displaying the artwork for its loveliness; he's using it as background for his text, be it a quote from the Bible, contents of a CD, or Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. The texts become the important item, not the pictures. The pictures, then, become altered from their original states because of the added text. Would that alteration be considered "fair use" of the fractal-art pictures? I'd like to read comments on my questions without being told to comb legal tomes for the answers. I want to know what you people think, not what is opined by legal minds. This is a discussion group devoted to FractInt and its use in creating fractal art. It is not one set up for discussions amongst judges and attorneys over legal issues. BTW, all the hypothetical pictures displayed at the two imagines Web sites were created by using the not-hypothetical FractInt. :-) Bob - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:03:37 -0600 From: Tim Wegner Subject: (fractint) A pragmatic view of copyright Bob wrote: > As has been pointed out, I'm just a "shade tree lawyer." I found > something that mentioned "fair use" of copyrighted material and quoted > it. Since I never went to law school, I hope you don't expect me to > interpret what was meant by "fair use" in the document I pointed to > here. I am jumping in to the copyright discussion with some misgivings, since it has probably already strained the patience of list members. I hope this contribution will be useful. I was involved in spearheading an effort to find a legal remedy for blatant plagiarism of fractal images in a publication. Some of the artists involved are list members. It was settled out of court, and I can't give details. We got a few thousand dollars or so (I've forgotten exactly) for each of the artists from a book publisher, but the real culprit, who put the images unchanged on the CD that came with the book, just changed his business name and disappeared scot free. We couldn't touch him because he had no assets. I learned several things. All this pseudo-legal discussion is pretty meaningless. When one gets in a real legal situation, the technical level is pretty crude. Judges, juries, and lawyers have no clue about parameters, zoom boxes, and the like. In such a situation most of the armchair opinions expressed here (not singling anyone out) are irrelevent. A case gets put together, and depending on many factors, wins or loses. It's not at all rational. You could really have had your images stolen in a way we would all agree is plagiarism and not be be able to do anything about it, or conversely, you could have used and modified images in a way we would all agree is OK, publish them in a book, and be ruined in a lawsuit. I believe we should create a climate of reasonable (but not naive) trust in our fractal subculture. The best way to do this is to credit sources profusely when modifying a PAR, and when in doub t, ask permission. If you really want to publish images in a for-pay setting, my advice would be modify EVERYTHING. Change the formula, the colors, the zoom box, the options, so no one could possibly claim the image is theirs. It's actually easy to do this, and to make the image truly yours. That is why the case I was involved with was so weird. The guy ONLY changed the names of the images. He even left them sorted on the CD so that the images (with his new names) were grouped so all the images stolen from the same artist were sorted together! He didn't even bother to change any parameters or any color palette. Because of this the publisher (who was really an innocent victim) ended up paying us some money. I doubt the culprit did any more business with that publisher or book author, but he may well have sold more stolen images to someone else. Even though we "won", I can't say justice was done. I personally enjoy the creative frenzy of artists making images and modifying each other's works and republishing PARs. I hope this continues. But I understand when artists say they won't publish the parameters for their best images. Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:53:07 +0500 From: "Tony (Anthony) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) A New Topic I've been following the discussion of copyright with great interest. Maybe it's not over yet, but here's a totally different thread. My main area of fractal exploration over the last 2 years has been L-systems, those linear, usually monochrome types. Most of my work I've yet to post to Fractint or elsewhere. I've checked out the website for the Fractal-Art 2000 Contest and was impressed indeed. One addition I'd like to suggest would be a separate category for L-systems (and maybe one for IFS types as well); these may be better judged on their own rather than against the more "spectacular" types with their delicate colours and possible layers. What do people think? Tony Hanmer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:42:33 -0800 From: Mark Christenson Subject: Re: (fractint) A New Topic At 11:53 PM 12/31/00 +0500, Tony wrote: >... >I've checked out the website for the Fractal-Art 2000 Contest and was >impressed indeed. Have I missed something? I have been waiting for the test (view only) release, but every time I go to the site I get referred to the same page leading to the "Enter" and "Order CD" sections which still indicate that nothing is ready. I should note two things: 1) my e-mail was out from Dec 3 to Dec 10, and 2) I am not running Java. Bud - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:16:55 -0500 From: "Barry N. Merenoff" <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: (fractint) A New Topic I've always been fascinated by quadric Koch curves (which are a type of L-system). Unlike Mandelbrot, who chose ones that do not self-intersect, = I choose ones that do. I color each point by the number of times and direction that the curve rotates around it. (This can be done quite simpl= y with a technique similar to flood-filling.) In some cases this produces very intricate and fascinating patterns. Sincerely, Collin - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:51:07 -0700 From: "knife31a@micron.net" Subject: (fractint) Color Cycling I have a Micron Millenium PII 400, and every time I try to color cycle it goes at warp speed. Can anyone help? Randy Hoffmaster - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:57:00 -0500 From: Ron Barnett Subject: RE: (fractint) A smoothly colored PTC fractint image Hi Lee, Its good to hear from you again. Your variant has some very interesting looking lattice work. Here is another smooth one using the same formula. SummerGarden { ; Copyright Ron Barnett Dec 2000 t= 0:02:04.20 ; www.hiddendimension.com fractals@hiddendimension.com ; On a Pentium III(667) at 1280 x 1024 ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 5 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=rebexp01.frm formulaname=MandExpLayers1 passes=1 center-mag=-1.74527350594931300/+0.00333036955515027/20061.09/1/-87.499 params=10000/10/0/500/64/194 float=y maxiter=1024 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 cyclerange=0/255 sound=off colors=ssn<3>VVUPPPJJK<2>004<20>00D00E00E00E00F<20>00q00r00t00v00x00z<23\ >KizLkzLmz<2>OszPuzOty<24>5KY5IX4HW<3>1BR09P19Q<8>FHbGIcIJe<2>MMiONkQPk<\ 8>kktmmuppv<2>wwyzzzzwx<8>zOazK_zGX<3>z0N<3>m2Kj2Jh3I<7>M8CJ8BG9A<3>4B7<\ 3>8KD9MEAOF<3>EXLCYLA_K<8>eohhpklrn<3>zyyzzz<13>wwJvvGvvD<3>uu0<15>yys } - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 16:41:19 +1300 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Cycling At 17:51 31/12/2000 -0700, Randy Hoffmaster wrote: >I have a Micron Millenium PII 400, and every time I try to color cycle it >goes at warp speed. Can anyone help? There are two or three ways you can alter the speed of colour cycling. 1) The one that is least likely to be useful is to note that hitting '1' .. '9' while cycling will cause Fractint to "skip" frames. '2' will cause Fractint to display only every second frame in a cycle, '3' every third, and so on. The default is '1' (show every frame), and is already the slowest of these options. 2) While cycling, hitting the () key will slow down () the frame rate at which Fractint runs. If your cycling is going way too fast, try holding down to tell Fractint "slower ... slower ... a bit slower still ...". 3) You don't want to do (2) every time - or at least, you oughtn't need to. If, in your Fractint directory you have an 'sstools.ini' file, you can add the following line to the [Fractint] section. If you don't have such a file, it's just a text file where the first line is "[Fractint]". The line for adjusting the speed of colour cycling is: CYCLELIMIT = nnn where nnn is a number between 1 and 256. The default is 55, lower numbers make for slower cycling. Morgan L. Owens "Ooh, my hangover's making me regret helping..." - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:29:36 -0500 From: "Multiple Bogeys" Subject: Re: (fractint) A pragmatic view of copyright >I am jumping in to the copyright discussion with some misgivings, >since it has probably already strained the patience of list members. Try "folded, spindled, and mutilated". ObCopyright: CMIIW, but doesn't putting an image you created on a Web site grant an implied license to duplicate it? After all, files placed on Web sites are copied by routers and other automated stuff when someone downloads them to view the page; they may also be duplicated into caches, at ISPs, at various routing nodes, or on the machine from which the site is being browsed... Caching suggests there must also be an implied license to redistribute it! (Of course, one issue that has surfaced was that Bob's image was *modified*, which is another kettle of fish altogether...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:24:39 -0500 From: "Barry N. Merenoff" <110144.2274@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) A pragmatic view of copyright Dear Multiple, The real issue that Bob found fault with was that Mr. Miller had taken his fractals out of the hobby and put them to a purpose that no longer inspired mathematical creativity. He felt that, by using his fractals in a non-mathematical way, Mr. Miller had trivialized the work h= e had done in obtaining beauty from the formulas. What you have to understand is that being able to express yoursel= f rationally despite anger is a rare gift; one that Bob doesn't have. He probably didn't even realize that copyright law wasn't what he was really= upset about. Sincerely, Collin - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:42:17 -0800 From: Ken Childress Subject: Re: (fractint) A pragmatic view of copyright At 10:24 PM 12/31/00, you wrote: >Dear Multiple, > The real issue that Bob found fault with was that Mr. Miller had >taken his fractals out of the hobby and put them to a purpose that no >longer inspired mathematical creativity. He felt that, by using his >fractals in a non-mathematical way, Mr. Miller had trivialized the work he >had done in obtaining beauty from the formulas. > What you have to understand is that being able to express yourself >rationally despite anger is a rare gift; one that Bob doesn't have. He >probably didn't even realize that copyright law wasn't what he was really >upset about. I thought I had read some stupid posts in this thread before this one. This one makes all the others look quite intellectual in comparison. Good grief. Ken... - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:40:11 +0500 From: "Tony (Anthony) Hanmer" Subject: (fractint) L-system Competition...? ... So once I got to thinking more about L-systems as a fractal competition category, I came up with several sub-categories and a new proposal. What about an entirely separate annual L-system competition? Categories could include mono/colour, 1/2/multi-string, Dragon Curve/Twindragon variations, tiles, spacefilling curves, fonts, etc. (I still think that IFS types could have their own category in the main Fractal Art Competition. Not sure if there are any other types which could warrant individual attention.) Is there any interest in this? Tony Hanmer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:41:19 -0500 From: Lee Skinner Subject: (fractint) A smoothly colored PTC fractint image Hi Ron, >> SummerGarden { ; Copyright Ron Barnett Dec 2000 t=3D 0:02:04.20= << Very nice! Electric violets? Happy New Year! - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:07:45 -0600 From: "Jonathan Osuch" Subject: (fractint) Fractint 20.1 patch 6 The version 20.1 patch 6 diff and executable are now available at www.fractint.org. This patch fixes the writing of key assignments to fractint.cfg. Jonathan - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #525 ******************************