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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:34:37 -0800
From: Kathy Roth <kroth@well.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but...

Going to regular work- what a waste of talent that could be 
applied to fractal exploration.  How about finding a rich
benefactor like they did in Michelangelo's day or applying for
an NEA grant and smearing yourself in chocolate?
Kathy


> I have a much better and simpler idea -- instead of searching for a tardis,
> (they are notoriously hard to find), why don't I start charging a
> subscription
> fee of about 10 U.S. dollars per month for the privilege of receiving the
> daily FOTD.  That way, I would not be distracted by the inconvenience of
> having to run a business to keep myself alive, and would be able to devote
> at least 18 hours per day to finding fractals and writing about them.  I
> might
> even become rich and famous.
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:31:32 -0800 (PST)
From: caren <carenp@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but...

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 sometimes, life really sucks...  this must be one of those times, but to be honest, it's not something that the world will come crashing down around, even if it continues to occur...  it's free, it's volunteer, it shows up when it does...  i wouldn't spend so much time worrying about free, volunteer, stuff...  life is too short, and has far too many other SUCK things occurring that MEAN something...

  Multiple Bogeys <neo_1061@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been
>explained to you so many times??

[Rest of blather deleted unread]

I know it may sometimes take an hour or two to get posted, but that just 
means that while the FOTD appears on the list late at night, the Web site is 
updated in the wee hours of the morning. I looked for it at eight the 
following morning, when it bloody well normally is there!
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<P> sometimes, life really sucks...&nbsp; this must be one of those times, but to be honest, it's not something that the world will come crashing down around, even if it continues to occur...&nbsp; it's free, it's volunteer, it shows up when it does...&nbsp; i wouldn't spend so much time worrying about free, volunteer, stuff...&nbsp; life is too short, and has far too many other SUCK things occurring that MEAN something...<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">&gt;And why is it so impossible for you to understand what has been<BR>&gt;explained to you so many times??<BR><BR>[Rest of blather deleted unread]<BR><BR>I know it may sometimes take an hour or two to get posted, but that just <BR>means that while the FOTD appears on the list late at night, the Web site is <BR>updated in the wee hours of the morning. I looked for it at eight the <BR>following morning, when it bloody well normally is there!<BR>_________________________________________________________________________<BR>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.<BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List<BR>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com<BR>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help"<BR>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org<BR>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:01:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Muth <jamth@mindspring.com>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  10-01-01  (Midget with 16 Petals [5])

Classic FOTD -- January 10, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's fractal was found entirely by accident.  When I entered 
today's parameters into the faithful M-Mix4 formula, I expected 
nothing.  What I found was a fractal worthy of being declared 
FOTD.  Those unlikely parameters define the expression 
- -1.3Z^(0.9)-1.3Z^(-0.9)+(1/C), and any fractalist worth their 
iterations knows that Z^(0.9)+(1/C) gives nothing resembling an 
interesting image, and the string of blobs created by 
Z^(-0.9)+(1/C) is little better.

But when the two are combined, multiplied by -1.3, and the 
critical point calculated, a near miracle happens -- a real 
fractal appears.  The parent fractal is a curious 3-lobed 
distortion of the M-set.  Today's scene lies on the north shore 
of the north lobe.

I named the image "Midget with 16 Petals" for the same reason 
that Brahms named his long-delayed first symphony "Symphony in 
C minor, No. 1".  The name is a pure description.  And no, I'm 
not trying to compare myself to Brahms.

After much deep thought, I rated today's effort an average 5, 
though I feel that the parent fractal has far better images in 
it.  I may check the eastern fringes of the parent fractal for 
midgets tomorrow.

As for viewing the image, the most direct way is to start the 
parameter file and tend to something else while it's rendering.  
A second way is to wait 16 hours and go to:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

where the GIF file will be posted at that time.

Another way to see the image is to visit Paul Lee's web site at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or Scott Boyd's site at:

          <http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/fotd/>

though the last I heard, Scott's site is not yet fully 
operational.

The fractal weather today featured icy roads and cold winds.  Of 
course, the temperature of 28F (-2C) was far too cold for the 
cats, who passed the day sprawled before the warmest radiator.

The always-promised but rarely-delivered philosophy is once 
again missing.  My intentions are good; my accomplishment is 
not.  But I'll try once again tomorrow, and if I fail to deliver 
enlightening philosophy, I will at least deliver an interesting 
fractal.  Until then, take care, and fractals are here to stay.


Jim Muth
jamth@mindspring.com


START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

MidgetWith16Petals { ; time=0:11:08.22 -- SF5 on a P200
  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1
  center-mag=+0.06646788176226491/+0.17212735246396270\
  /3.801586e+009/1/67.5 params=1/0.9/1/-0.9/-2.3/0
  float=y maxiter=1600 inside=0 logmap=200 periodicity=9
  colors=00080R80Q80O90JB0GD0BE08G02G00I00J00L10N20N40\
  XRIOTDIT9BV44V10X00X0xR_sTYnVYiXXdXX_YXV_VQ_VLaVGbTB\
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  6zE8wI9tN9qRBpXDn_D_QINGN86R00V00T00T00T00_9DfJTkViq\
  fzxpzznxzlzzlxzkxzkwziwziuzluz<2>qnzskztgzxbzz_zzXzz\
  RzzOzzLzzIz<2>zDzzBzz9xx8ww6sw4qt2ns1l<2>n0dl0bl0an0\
  _p0_q0_s0Yt0Yt0Yq0_<2>iE_fJ_dOaaTaYYaXbaTgaRkaRibRgd\
  RgfQffQfgQdiQbkQbkQalOanO_pOYpOYqTXiOXszzYzz_zz_zzaz\
  zaxzbwzbtzbtxdsxdqwfptfnsglqgkqgipiiniglkflkdkkbilag\
  l_fnYfnYdpXbpVapTaqR_qQYsOXsz00<4>z00z01z02z04z06z06\
  z08z19x2Bw2Dw4Dt4Et6Gs6Iq8Jq8Jp9Ln9NnBOlBOkDQkERiGTg\
  IVgJXfLYdN_dOabQbbRdaTf_Vg_XiYYkX_lXanVbpXdqYfs_gtai\
  wbixdkzfkzglzilzknzlnznpzppzqqzsqztszwszxtzztzzwzzwz\
  zxzzxzzzz<22>zzz
  }

frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================


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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:08:12 -0600
From: "Scott D. Boyd" <sdboyd56@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 10-01-01 (Midget with 16 Petals [5])

On Tuesday 09 January 2001 20:01, Jim Muth wrote:

> or Scott Boyd's site at:
>
>           <http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/fotd/>
>
> though the last I heard, Scott's site is not yet fully
> operational.
>
It's operational, just not fully automated yet. But I already have=
=20
tomorrow's fractal and discussion posted!

Scott
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:57:37 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 10-01-01 (Midget with 16 Petals [5])

Scott D. Boyd wrote:
> 
> Jim Muth wrote:
> 
> > or Scott Boyd's site at:
> >           <http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/fotd/>
> > though the last I heard, Scott's site is not yet fully
> > operational.
> >
> It's operational, just not fully automated yet.  But I 
> already have tomorrow's fractal and discussion posted!
>

Definitely coming along!!  This time it beat me by about 30 minutes. 
Good going!!   :-) 

Now if we can both make sure that we get the daily fractal posted in
time for the Almighty "Bogey" (which of course has to be done before Jim
sends it out), then all will be well in the fractal world.   ;-}

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:38:20 -1000
From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but...

I don't mind at all - thanks for the compliment!

David
gnome@hawaii.rr.com

On  9 Jan 01 at 16:57, davides wrote:

> Would anyone (David and Scott) mind if I did a bit of
> snipping/editing and added these to my file of "sigs'"?
> 
> As in: 
> "I'm still waiting for the DDTB (Direct Dump to 
> Brain) user interface they've been promising me as an
> incentive for getting a brain ... " - David Jones


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:58:31 -0500
From: davides <davides@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but...

At 09:38 PM 1/9/2001 -1000, you wrote:
>I don't mind at all - thanks for the compliment!
>
>David
>gnome@hawaii.rr.com

Thank you. And as I mentioned, suitable attribution remains a part of it.

:)

David S.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:49:12 -0800
From: Kennan C Herrick <kcha1@juno.com>
Subject: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution

Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @ better than
640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64 PCI adapter board containing a
"764V+(765)Rev B" chip set (whatever that is!)?

Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my preferred mode,
800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I can only get Fractint to work in
640x480 modes; full screen or window makes no difference in that regard. 
I don't want the colors so much as enhanced pixel-resolution, on-screen
and in saved files.

I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone has it--beyond
what I could glean from fractint.doc.

Thanks-

Ken Herrick
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:49:42 -0600
From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but...

caren <carenp@yahoo.com> wrote...

> it's free, it's volunteer, it shows up when it does...
> i wouldn't spend so much time worrying about free, volunteer, stuff...

An observation:  Long ago, I worked in a concert theatre in Vegas.  It
always tweaked me that those that complained the most about their seats
were the ones that had gotten free tickets from one of the casinos.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:10:27 -0800
From: "Diana L. Dubel" <dldubel@earthlink.net>
Subject: (fractint) Loading color maps

Paul,

I really appreciate your getting back to me.

I am using the 20.0 DOS version.  The video mode I select is F4.  My display
adapter is Rage Lt Pro AGP 2X (English), and my monitor driver is a Compaq
Presario FP500 Flat Panel Monitor.  The monitor is a NEC MultiSync 4FG.

If I use the F3 video option, my DOS session freezes up after I look at a
fractal.

When I try to load a color map, I see a display of the same color as the map
wants to be, splatted all over.  When I press the escape key once, the area
covered by the "E" color selection box is formatted correctly.  Then I press
<del> to call up the video settings, and re-specify F4.  Then the color map
loads up correctly.

Thanks for your help,

Diana

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From: Paul N. Lee [mailto:Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:48 PM
To: Diana L. Dubel
Subject: Re: Figured out how to load your Fractal of the Day!


Diana L. Dubel wrote:
>
> I just figured out how to get my Fractint program
> to display the parabolic lace image of this week.
> I am so excited!      Your effort means a lot.
>

I am glad you are starting to have some fun with the program.   :-)

Sorry I have not replied sooner, but once the new week starts I stay
very busy until Friday afternoon (when I can finally relax doing
fractals).

>
> I am having trouble loading color map files.
> When I do this my monitor displays graphic junk,
> in the colors of the map.  If after loading the
> map file, I hit the <del> key once, and specify
> F4 again, I then see the map in the right format.

What version of FractInt did you download and are using ??
What graphics card do you have installed in your PC ??
What Video Mode are you using within FractInt ??
Does this happen with any MAP file ??

>
> I have an older monitor which still has the best
> color I have seen on a monitor, and I don't want
> to get rid of it for this reason.  It is NEC
> Multisync 4FG.        Any ideas?

I do not believe that it is a monitor problem, so do not worry about
that.  More than likely it is some setting that is causing these strange
occurances.  But I will need more information, and then I may ask for
even more after you answer the above questions.    ;-}


Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:34:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Muth <jamth@mindspring.com>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  11-01-01  (Subliminal Fractal [5])

Classic FOTD -- January 11, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

A number of years ago it was pointed out that subliminal dirty 
words and pictures were being embedded by advertisers in their 
advertisements for the purpose of hypnotically forcing unknowing 
consumers against their wills to buy the advertisers' products.  
Having worked in the advertising field, I can state that 
subliminal techniques were used, and still are being used, 
though not to the degree that the critics claim.

I mention subliminal advertising because today's picture is 
filled with subliminal images.  Like faces in the clouds, the 
images are everywhere, lying half seen amidst filaments, loops, 
and geometrical shapes of the most bizarre and chaotic kind.  
The one image that I can't avoid seeing every time I look at the 
picture is that of a leaping monkey.  I leave it to the viewer 
to find the monkey.

The formula behind the image is my Mystic2, which when the 
inside is set to the usual 0, draws only empty circles.  But 
when the proper inside fill is used, the inside of the circles 
is filled with detail of the most unusual kind.  Today's picture 
is a good example, being all bof61 inside fill.

I named today's image "Subliminal Fractal" and rated it a 5.  
The 3-1/2 minutes to render the image from the parameter file 
will be time well spent.  If impatience strikes, the image can 
be downloaded from Usenet at:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

and from the WWW at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://home.swbell.net/sdboyd56/fotd/>

The fractal weather today was pleasant, with a temperature of 
43F (6C) that brought out the kitten in the fractal cats.

A new Kung-Fu job however kept me so busy that I barely had time 
to think of philosophy much less write any.  But I'll try again 
tomorrow.  Until then, take care, and once a fractal, always a 
fractal.


Jim Muth
jamth@mindspring.com


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  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=jim.frm
  formulaname=Mystic2 function=abs passes=1
  center-mag=-0.00200128/-0.980335/59.46906
  params=2.6/0.7/-3/-2/-1.5/-1.7 float=y maxiter=100
  bailout=25 inside=bof61 logmap=yes periodicity=10
  colors=000_JJ<3>`LNaLOaMP<2>bNSCZu<3>SbvVcvZdv<3>mhv\
  <8>XIWVFTTCQ<3>M1E<5>B6G97G87G<3>1AH<7>NbBQfBTiA<3>b\
  w8<3>utVyt_osY<3>DoSYhhray<3>`VVXTNSSGOQ8KP1<3>I`ZIc\
  gIfoIiw<8>VNRWLNYIJ<3>b95<3>QNb<4>aRccRdeSd<3>nUd<3>\
  NeUGhR9kO2nM<7>GeCIdBKcA<3>Q_6<2>sXK<3>gffdhkajq_lv<\
  2>64I<8>5SQ5UR5XS<3>5fV<5>PVXTTYWRY<3>hJZ<3>Uo0<4>Pf\
  QPeVOc_<3>LYs<4>HhlHkkGmj<3>Eue<3>qCdz1dr9e<3>NdgFlh\
  7thY`RwHA<3>lQs<9>oiLokIomE<3>pu1<3>WTQRLXMEbH7hC0n<\
  6>iBa
  }

frm:Mystic2 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), c=real(p2),
d=imag(p2), k=real(p3), f=imag(p3),
g=pixel, z=(pixel)^a+(b*(pixel))^c:
z=(fn1(z)+(d*(g)))^k+(f*(cos(g)))
g=sqr(g),
LastSqr <= 100
}

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -1000
From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution

IIRC, that's the chipset on a Diamond video adaptor we 
have around here (in use at the moment on a Linux box). 
Ran Fractint 19.x quite happily at resolutions up to 
1024x768 or 1280x1024 (I forget which). But I wasn't 
running it under W95, I run it under OS/2. In W95, it 
would happily freeze the system as Windows and Fractint 
fought over who controlled the video.

You might try this. Shutdown W95 to a DOS prompt, then
change to your Fractint directory and try running
Fractint that way. If it works fine, then it's a
conflict with Windows. If it still doesn't run your 
desired resolution, there's a chance your video adapter 
doesn't support VESA video modes (many accelerated, 
Windows-optimized ones don't). IIRC, there's a utility 
available that can check for those modes, and tell you 
what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... 

You might also check to see if there are more recent 
Windows video drivers for that adapter - maybe they fixed 
whatever is keeping Fractint from working.

On 10 Jan 01 at 10:49, Kennan C Herrick wrote:

> Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @
> better than 640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64
> PCI adapter board containing a "764V+(765)Rev B" chip
> set (whatever that is!)?
> 
> Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my
> preferred mode, 800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I
> can only get Fractint to work in 640x480 modes; full
> screen or window makes no difference in that regard. I
> don't want the colors so much as enhanced
> pixel-resolution, on-screen and in saved files.
> 
> I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone
> has it--beyond what I could glean from fractint.doc.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:28:31 -1000
From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Hate to say this but...

On 10 Jan 01 at 6:58, davides wrote:

> New Windows Message:
> "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)"

As an OS/2 and Linux user, I can appreciate that one! ;-)


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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:47:27 -0500
From: Mike Traynor <lmtraynor@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  11-01-01  (Subliminal Fractal [5])

Jim,

> The one image that I can't avoid seeing every time I look at the
> picture is that of a leaping monkey.

One?  I see dozens of them.  Oh, you mean in the FOTD!

Mike

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:11:13 EST
From: RENRAD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution

<<IIRC, there's a utility 
available that can check for those modes, and tell you 
what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... >>

This links to the page on Sylvie Gallet's site wherein she makes available 
the utility
vesacfg which can be used to discover which modes your system uses so that 
you may then customize your set-up for best effect.
Cheers!
~renrad

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:14:30 EST
From: RENRAD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution

<<IIRC, there's a utility 
available that can check for those modes, and tell you 
what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... >>

This links to the page on Sylvie Gallet's site wherein she makes available 
the utility
ves2acfg which can be used to discover which modes your system uses so that 
you may then customize your set-up for best effect.
Cheers!
~renrad

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:34:49 -0000
From: "Chris Curnow" <curnow@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: (fractint) Philosopy

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Can I kick-start Jim into philosophy?

It's not the parameters or formula that doesn't exist
it's the map file.

Try these three, a few seconds each to generate and=20
the only difference is the colours:


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  reset=3D2000 type=3Dmandel
  center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945
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filigre2           { ; Philosopy 2      Hummm!
  reset=3D2000 type=3Dmandel
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0\
  =
0e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz\=

  =
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  =
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  =
z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL000\=

  =
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  center-mag=3D-1.25188926958698400/+0.03428299432387295/2047.945
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Chris

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:44:15 -0800
From: Kennan C Herrick <kcha1@juno.com>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fw: Higher resolution

Hi David-

Thanks kindly for your response.  A few comments that might be of
interest...

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -1000 "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com>
writes:
> IIRC, that's the chipset on a Diamond video adaptor we 
> have around here (in use at the moment on a Linux box). 
> Ran Fractint 19.x quite happily at resolutions up to 
> 1024x768 or 1280x1024 (I forget which). But I wasn't 
> running it under W95, I run it under OS/2. In W95, it 
> would happily freeze the system as Windows and Fractint 
> fought over who controlled the video.
> 
> You might try this. Shutdown W95 to a DOS prompt, then
> change to your Fractint directory and try running
> Fractint that way. If it works fine, then it's a
> conflict with Windows. 


It does work fine.  But when, in Fractint, I use <esc><del> & then select
the several higher-resolution video modes, I find, as you no doubt are
aware, that the images come up smaller on the screen.  I then have to go
to <v> & set the several window options to get a full-screen image in,
say, 800x600 mode.  It puzzles me as to why anyone would want a smaller
image than full-screen.

Another interesting thing:  Although I am back under Windows now, for
doing this email, I seem to recall that, once I had established Fractint
in, say, 800x600 full-screen, I could load a .gif image that I had
previously saved when in the 648x480 screen under Windows, show it on
that enhanced-resolution full screen, and then save it again (with a new
filename).  Then, back under Windows and re-loading Fractint, I could
display that newly-saved image; necessarily, of course, in only the
640x480 mode.  But then I found (or think I found; I must check again)
that the increased quantity of pixels, brought about by having saved it
from the 800x600 screen, were there when I zoomed in.  So that appears to
be a way for me to realize the greater resolution that I want--but what a
pain in the butt it is!

For your info, the reason I want the higher resolution is so that I can
take the .gif file, convert it to .tif, and then import that into my CAD
program as a "template" for drawing a vector-format figure.  That, in
turn, I can subsequently export, in .dxf format, for the purpose of
fabricating a physical object in the form of the fractal.  Such a
roundabout way to do that but I don't know any better.  I used to have a
raster:vector conversion utility, and used it occasionally, but found
that it made pretty much of a hash of the very-complex fractals.  Turned
out better, although tedious, to replicate them visually using the CAD
program.

If it still doesn't run your 
> desired resolution, there's a chance your video adapter 
> doesn't support VESA video modes (many accelerated, 
> Windows-optimized ones don't). IIRC, there's a utility 
> available that can check for those modes, and tell you 
> what codes to feed Fractint to enable it to use them ... 
> 
> You might also check to see if there are more recent 
> Windows video drivers for that adapter - maybe they fixed 
> whatever is keeping Fractint from working.

I checked their website and no additional/later drivers are available. 
The S3 board seems to support VESA since Fractint's VESA modes display
all right when under DOS only.  Do you suppose other people, using other
boards perhaps, have no problem with running Fractint under Win 95 and in
the several enhanced video modes?  From my experience, I shouldn't think
so.

> 
> On 10 Jan 01 at 10:49, Kennan C Herrick wrote:
> 
> > Would anyone have any info on running Fractint v. 20.0 @
> > better than 640x480 resolution using an S3 Trio 32/64
> > PCI adapter board containing a "764V+(765)Rev B" chip
> > set (whatever that is!)?
> > 
> > Whether or not that adapter is initially set for my
> > preferred mode, 800x600x16-bit color, under Win 95, I
> > can only get Fractint to work in 640x480 modes; full
> > screen or window makes no difference in that regard. I
> > don't want the colors so much as enhanced
> > pixel-resolution, on-screen and in saved files.
> > 
> > I'm not a Windows/DOS wonk so could use help if anyone
> > has it--beyond what I could glean from fractint.doc.


Thanks again for your help...

Ken Herrick
kcha1@juno.com
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