From: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com (fractint-digest) To: fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: fractint-digest V1 #533 Reply-To: fractint-digest Sender: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-fractint-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk fractint-digest Tuesday, January 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 533 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:05:03 -0600 From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD Mania Lee Skinner wrote: > But other sites returned (in this order) included: > > Friends of Traditional Dance > Fruit of the Day > Friends of the Dragon Webring > Font of the Day > Fact of the Day > Flung of the Day > Friend(s) of the Devil > Fear of the Dark > Foo of the Day > Flower of the Day > Fruit of the Doom > Flavor of the Day > Fairie O'the Day > Foto of the Day > Fish of the Day What? You mean there's no Fartin' On The Deck website??? Hrumph!! - -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 19-01-01 (Ornate Fractal Scene [6]) Classic FOTD -- January 19, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The rush ended right on schedule, giving me more time to search for fractals this afternoon. My search led me into the fractal created by the formula -199Z^(-1.567)+199Z^(-1.765)+(1/C). This parent fractal consists of a large chaotic ring extending west from a pair of roughly Mandelbrot-shaped center bays, with many small M-sets just inside the ring, and sub-rings attached by stems extending inward from the main ring. Today's midget lies in the WNW quadrant of the large ring, quite deep within one of these attaching stems. It is one of the more ornate midgets I've found recently, a fact that inspired the name "Ornate Fractal Scene". My first impulse was to rate the picture a 7, but when I stepped back a few feet, I decided on a rating of 6, which is still above average. The magnitude is large enough that the parameter file may not render at the proper magnitude at higher resolutions. For this reason, I have hand edited the command mathtolerance=/1 into the parameter file. The parameter file renders in a little over 14 minutes on a dated Pentium running at 200mhz. For fractal convenience, the file of the GIF image will be posted in 16 hours to the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals For fractal impatience, it will be posted far sooner to Paul Lee's web site at: and to Scott Boyd's site at: The weather today at Fractal Central turned most unpleasant, with light snow in the morning changing to sleet and a cold rain in the afternoon. The temperature of 34F (2C) and inclement weather kept the fractal cats indoors all day. But this time they behaved themselves like gentleman cats. Well, I guess it's time to wrap things up here at Fractal Central and call it a night. The fractals are all put away, and I hear the gentleman cats getting into trouble downstairs, which is usually a sign they want food. Until next time, take care, and a fractal can cure boredom, but can it cure a fever? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ OrnateFractalScene { ; time=0:14:15.41 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-1.69758733918538800/+0.25365148700365960\ /4.640715e+010/1/-49.97/-0.03 params=-199/-1.567/199/-1.765/0/300 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=283 symmetry=none periodicity=10 mathtolerance=/1 colors=000498498<3>4FE4GG4IG<2>4MK8SMBYNGcPKiQNoSSjU\ WfX`b`dYchTemThqPkpMnmImjLkhDkgSjXRnN_sDuzEdvGmqGgmH\ ghHddJb`J_WKVQKSMMPHMMDNJ8NG4PD4PA4SG4TM8USGWWMXbTZg\ Z`mearkcxsdzykzzezz`zzUzzPvzJrzDoz7jz4iz4gz4fz7dz8dz\ BcyEbvG`sJ`qM_nNYkQWhTWeUVcXT``SXaTZ<3>aSNaSKaRH<2>a\ R8aR5aR4cV4d_4ec5eg5gl5hp7ju7jy7kz8mz8jz4mz8nzHpzQqu\ ZtogvipwcyzYzy_zw_yt_ps`hq`an`TmbMjbDhb5jY4gb4<2>cj5\ ao8`rAZuDXxGWzHUzKTzNUzMSzPPzSMzUJxWGsZDoaAjd7fe4bh<\ 2>4Oq4Pp4Pp4Pp4Pn4Rn<2>4Rm4Rm4Tj7VhAWgD_dE`cHbaKdZNf\ XQgWSiUTfQUcMWbHW_DXY8ZV4ZS4ZP44R44J45L7ASBDYEHcHMjM\ QpP4sQTvSzcApb5gb4Xb4Kd4Pb4S_4UY4XV4aT5dR7gPAjMBnJEq\ IGtFJwDKzANz9Pz6Sz3Sz4Tz7UzCWzFWzJXzMZzR`zT`zWaz`czc\ dzgdzjezogzrhzskzuh<2>zyazzZzzW<3>zzNzzKzzHzzGzzDzzA\ zz4zz8<3>zzUzzZzzdzzjzznzzk<6>zzazzczz`zzZ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 20-01-01 (Make-up FOTD [5]) Classic FOTD -- January 20, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: There's a good reason I named today's image "Make-up FOTD", and that's because I lost the image that was originally supposed to be the FOTD for today, and had to find another fractal in a hurry. Actually, I didn't lose the image, I lost its parameters when I saved it in gif87a mode by mistake. The original image rates an 8, and I may post it some day to a.b.p.f., but it can't be today's FOTD because without the data, I can't make a parameter file from it. The make-up image is good enough, though far short of the one that was lost. The formula that created the image subtracts a portion of Z^(-1.11) from Z^(1.1). The parent fractal appears as a very twisted Mandeloid with a large area of chaos on its north side. Today's midget lies in this chaos. The parameter file renders in 8 minutes. The GIF image file will be posted in 16 hours to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and much sooner to: and to: The fractal weather today was miserable, with a steady soaking cold rain that kept even the thoughts of outdoors from the fractal cats. The temperature of 36F (2C) would have been too cold even if it had not been raining. The lost fractal killed my philosophical mood, though the mood may return tomorrow. Check then on the philofractal list to see. Until next time, take care, and when hunger strikes, eat. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Make-up_FOTD { ; time=0:08:03.40 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.41122353048828/+2.823392344002189/2.76\ 8288e+008/1/127.499/0.001 params=1/1.1/-1.1/-1.11/-0\ .05/300 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=158 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000iGkbIkXLkQNkIQkBRk4Vk0Xk0Yk1agBddJfbTi_akY\ knVspTzsQztOzqLzpIznGzlDzk9zi8zg4xf2wYDtRLtJTsDbs4kq\ 0sq0z<3>g0ad0Vb0O_0IY0BV04T00R00Q00O00O00N04N0DL0LL0\ RJ0_J0fI0nI0wG0zG0zG0zJ0zN8sQGgTQXXYL_f9bn0Yi2Vd8RaB\ NXGJTJGOODLRBQV9TX8XY8aa6db4gd4lg2pi1sk1wl6siBpfGndL\ kaQgYVfXYbTb_QgYOlVLqRIwQGzNDzLBzTEqaBii9aq8Tz4<2>4z\ 01z04z06z08z09z0Dz0<2>Iz0Nz0Rt0Vp0_i0bd0g_0kV0pO0tJ0\ xE0z81z22z04z06z0Iw0Tn0bw0Jz01<9>z00z00z00<3>z00z0Dz\ 4L<2>zTizagzY_<2>zI6zD0z80zD0zL8qTEiaNaiT_q_XzYTtX<2\ >LdRDXN4OJ0GG08D01909E0IJ<2>1dY4lb9tgDzkIzg<2>Rz_VzX\ _zT<2>izLlzIqzEtzDxz9zz6zz4zzJzzYzzTzzQzzNzzJzzE<2>z\ z4zz1zz0xz0tz0qz0nz0iz0qz0zz0zz0zzNzz_zzNzz9zz0<30>z\ z0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:32:41 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Classic FOTD -- January 21, 2000 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: In today's FOTD image I have tried to recreate the essence of the image that was originally intended for yesterday's FOTD honors. As the rating of 7 shows, today's substitution does a fair job of recreating what is irretrievably lost, but the original effort was quite a bit superior, rating at least an 8. I had three clues in my effort to recreate yesterday's lost image -- I remembered that the formula was number 5 in my series of 12 MandNewt formulae, the function was 'atanh', and the inside fill was bof60. Having no idea of the numerical parameters, I drew a blank image with all parameters set to zero and let the Fractint evolver enter numbers at random. After several hundred rejected thumbnails passed by, one appeared that bore at least a modicum of resemblance to the lost fractal. When I further explored the likely candidate, I found scenes similar to but not exactly like the one that was lost. I have named today's picture "An Ikenaga Quantum". 'Ikenaga' is the name of the inventor of the Ikenaga function, a function which is still somewhat of a mystery, and variations of which appear in all 12 of my MandNewt formulae. A quantum of course is a specified amount of something, often assumed to be the minimum possible amount. One molecule of water, or one photon of light, are examples of quanta. No such things exist as 1/2 molecule of water or 1/2 a photon of light. I gave today's image the 'quantum' name because it has a kind of sub-atomic aura about it. It's an image that would look far better in true-color, but since true-color is not yet a working feature of Fractint, we'll have to satisfy ourselves with the un-true 256-color GIF version. The 2-minute render time of the parameter file is reasonable, and running the file is the best way of viewing the image. One alternate method of viewing the image is to wait 16 hours until the GIF file is posted to the Usenet binary group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals Another method is to visit Paul Lee's web site at: or Scott Boyd's site at: where the image will be posted far sooner. The fractal weather today was very unpleasant, with a cold rain most all day, which became mixed with sleet late in the afternoon, and changed to snow at nightfall. The temperature of 34F (1C), combined with the wet conditions, kept the fractal cats sleeping by their radiators most of the day. It's now time for me to settle into my favorite chair to watch the junkiest old sci-fi movie I can find. If I can't stay awake through the whole thing, so much the better. The next FOTD is only 24 hours from now. Until then, take care, and if fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ An_Ikenaga_Quantum { ; time=0:02:08.86 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=mandnewt.frm formulaname=mandnewt05 function=atanh passes=1 center-mag=+0.59043327144988720/-0.56548623104432090\ /72.76091/1/44.998 params=3.59/0.73/0.88/1.64/2.11/0.26 float=y maxiter=125 inside=bof60 logmap=yes periodicity=10 colors=000_azaazdazi_zk_zpYzsYzxUzzUzzSzzSzzPzzPzzRz\ z_zzczzhzzozztzzxzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxzuszunzsiypfvparnY\ okSkkNgiLciG_fBVd6Rd1Oa0K_0G_0BZ06X03U00S00S<3>00I33\ 88G6GS1LY0Sa0Yf0dk0ip0pu0uz0zz0zz0zz0sz0kz0dx8YuIPsP\ Ip_Bni3kp0iz<2>0az0az0Yz3SzLNiaISuDBz80z30z10z30z30z\ 60z60z80z80z80uB3nB8iDDaDIUDPPGUIG_DId6Ii0In0Ls0Lx0N\ z0Nz0Nz0Nz0Pz0Pz0Pz0Sz0Sx0Uu0Us0Up0Yn0Yk0Yi0_i<3>0_i\ 0_i0_i0_iLLUd6Gx03u01<8>u00u00u00<2>u10u10u30<3>u30z\ 10<2>z01z08z0Dz0Iz0Pz0Uz0az0fz0k<2>z0su1sk6u_BxPDxDI\ z3Nz0Sz0Yz0az0dz<3>0xz1zzBzzIzzSzz_zzfzzdzz_zzYzzSzz\ PzzSzzUzzUzzYzzYzz_zzazzazzdzzdzzfzzizzizzkzzkzznzzn\ zz<3>dzzazz_zzYxzUuzSszPnz<3>GdzDazB_z8Yz6UzBazGizIp\ zNxzPzzUzzYzzSzzNzzLzzGxzDsz8nz3iz1dz0_z0Uu0Pp0Ln0Gi\ 0Bd06a01Y00U00S01P<3>0BG } frm:mandnewt05 {; Jim Muth z=c=fn1(pixel): a=z^2+(c-p1)*z-c b=p2*z^2+c-1 z=z-1*a/b p3 <= |a| } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:54:12 EST From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 22-01-01 (Droplet on Eyeglass [7]) Classic FOTD -- January 22, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The cuspped shape surrounding the midget in today's fractal reminds me of the pattern one sees around a street light when looking at the light at night through a water droplet on the lens of a pair of eyeglasses. The name "Droplet on Eyeglass" seemed perfectly appropriate. Since most everything about the image is a bit above average, I rated the picture at an above- average 7. The whimsical (all mine are) formula responsible for the image is -1.2Z^(0.93)+0.72Z^(-1.23)+C, with a bailout radius of 225. Increasing the bailout, imag(p3), causes the midget to 'evaporate', leaving a ghost, which can be revealed by the proper inside fill. The parameter file renders in a little over 11-1/2 minutes. In 12 hours the GIF file of the image will be posted to: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals and in an hour or so, it will be available at the URL's: and: The cold blustery weather and the fresh 10cm snow cover kept the fractal cats indoors all day today, where they were safe from the temperature of 28F (-2C). They amused themselves by watching the outside activity and by sleeping and eating. I see it's now time to shut down the fractal emporium, re-feed the fractal cats, and call it a night. Until tomorrow, when I shall return with another fractal dredged up from nowhere, take care, and when in doubt, let it iterate. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ DropletOnEyeglass { ; time=0:11:20.02 -- SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+5.46034376690815/+5.97615913314921/945.4\ 231/1/-34.999 params=-1.2/0.93/0.72/-1.23/0/125 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=133 periodicity=10 colors=000`_A_dFYiJXoPVuTTzYTzaXzYYvV_rS`mPajMcfJdaF\ fYCgV9iQ6jM3lI0mF0pD3rC7sCCuAGvAMx9Qy9Vz7_z6dz6iz4mM\ 00z3xz3zz1zz1zz3zz3zu4zo4zj4yd6v_6sT7rO7oJ7mD9j79g1A\ f0Ac0Aa0D`0F`0G`3I_6L_7M_AOYDPYGSYJTXMVXOXXPaTPgSPlP\ PrOPvLPzJPzICaF07C34D71FA0FF0GJ0IM0IP0JS0LV0LY0M`3Mc\ 4Of6Oi7Pj9PgCMfFLdGJaJG`MF_ODYQCVT9TV7SY6P`3Oa1Md0Lf\ 0_PaYSYXTTVVQTXMSYIQ`FPaAOc6Md3Lf0Lg0Jj0Im1<2>DvACvD\ AzG9zJ9zM4xO0pP0gQ0`S0TT<3>0_O0`M1aM3cL6dJ9fIAgGDiGF\ jFIlDJmCMoAOpAlJYyL0zM0xO0xP0xQ0xQ0vS0vT0vV0vX0vX0<2>\ u`0ua0ua0xf0zi0zl0zo0rg7f`FTTMIMT4F`09g1Dc9G`GJXPMT\ XPPcSMjVIsYFz`Azc7zf4zmCrsJfzQVzYJzcIzdGzdFzfFvfDsfC\ ogAlgAgi9di7`i6Yj6Tj4Ql3Ml3JlzjFzgJzfOzdSzaXz``z_d<2\ >yTryQvxPzxOzsPyoQvjQrfSoaTj_TgVVcQX`MXXIYTFYQD`Q<3>\ ClQCoQArQAsQAvQ9yQ9zQ9zQ7zQ<2>7zQFz_Mzg3zv0zz0zz0zz4\ zL3zC0z10z0<2>cz0az6 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:34:38 -0600 From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Jim Muth wrote: > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or > mineral? Yes! - -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:16:6 -0500 From: "James Muth" Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - ----- Original Message ----- From: Programmer Dude To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Sent: 1/22/01 12:34:38 PM Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Jim Muth wrote: [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Yes! Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive, living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable. But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable. If they were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food. Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical conclusion must be that fractals are not alive. I leave it to the fractalist to decide whether they are dead. Jim M. - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
 
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Jim Muth wrote:
 
> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or
> mineral?
 
Yes!
 
Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive, living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable.  But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable.  If they were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food.  Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical conclusion must be that fractals are not alive.  I leave it to the fractalist to decide whether they are dead.
 
Jim M.
 
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:26:14 -0800 From: "Darryl House" Subject: (fractint) 4D life? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08466.21626100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim Muth wrote: > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? ... > But they are certainly not animal... ... Hmm... we take a "picture" of multi-dimensional objects .. those = objects, in their natural space, are beyond our perception - we need = tools to translate them into our frame of reference. It isn't outside = the realm of possibility that some form of life exists in n-dimension = "space". We could be seeing their footprints, their faces, or their = feces. :-) - - darryl - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08466.21626100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim Muth wrote:
 
> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, = vegetable, or mineral?
...
> But they are certainly not = animal...
...
 
Hmm... we take a "picture" of multi-dimensional = objects ..=20 those objects, in their natural space, are beyond our perception - we = need tools=20 to translate them into our frame of reference. It isn't outside the = realm of=20 possibility that some form of life exists in n-dimension "space". We = could be=20 seeing their footprints, their faces, or their feces. :-)
 
- darryl
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C08466.21626100-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:36:22 -0600 From: Programmer Dude Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Jim Muth wrote: [set HUMOR MODE = ON] > I wrote: >> Jim Muth wrote: >> >>> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or >>> mineral? >> >> Yes! > > Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive,... Tch, tch, tch. Limited thinking! And from a Science Fiction fan at that! Remember that old Star Trek show about the Horta?.... > ...living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable. Ah, you were asking a TRICK QUESTION then! ;-\ > But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable. If they > were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food. Wellllll, it's *obvious* they feed the imagination. For successful (in da commercial sense) fractists, they prolly feed the tummy, too! > Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical > conclusion must be that fractals are not alive. Yoiks! Ya asked a trick question, and I fell for it!! Shucks, just 'cause you don' know no one who ever ate a fractal, don' mean they ain't none! Maybe somewhere out there in the wide, wide universe dere's a crystal silicon lifeform that munches on Mandelmidgets like grapes on a vine..... Chomp, chomp! ;-)) - -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:42:41 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?=" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? Ez egy több részből álló üzenet MIME formátumban. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C084C4.A152F9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or = mineral? ... > But they are certainly not animal... ... =20 I think they are indeed similar to minerals because the formations = are determined mainly/only by mathematical rules. Minerals are 3D = crystalline clusters of atoms/ions/molecules and fractal pictures are = (mostly 2D) plottings of math. formulas. I remember having seen a 3D IFS = image consisting of tetraeders (spelling? you know the '3-sided = pyramid') like the crystal structure of the diamond (I don't know of = anything else with a tetraedriv grid) - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C084C4.A152F9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I think they are indeed similar = to minerals=20 because the formations are determined mainly/only by mathematical = rules.=20 Minerals are 3D crystalline clusters of atoms/ions/molecules and = fractal=20 pictures are (mostly 2D) plottings of math. formulas. I remember = having seen=20 a 3D IFS image consisting of tetraeders (spelling? you know the = '3-sided=20 pyramid') like the crystal structure of the diamond (I don't know of = anything else with a tetraedriv = grid)
- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C084C4.A152F9C0-- - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:16:01 +1300 From: Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? =?iso-8859-1?B?UHVza+FzIElzdHbhbiBqci4=?= said: > > [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or > mineral? > ... > > But they are certainly not animal... > ... > > I think they are indeed similar to minerals because the formations > are determined mainly/only by mathematical rules. Minerals are 3D > crystalline clusters of atoms/ions/molecules and fractal pictures are > (mostly 2D) plottings of math. formulas. I remember having seen a 3D IFS > image consisting of tetraeders (spelling? you know the '3-sided > pyramid') like the crystal structure of the diamond (I don't know of > anything else with a tetraedriv grid) > Ah, but then I'm sure you've seen the 3D IFS of a fern frond, and the crystal structure of a diamond crystal is cubical (quick exercise, take a cube and mark lines on its surface to form the edges of a regular tetrahedron). A "tetrahedral grid" is impossible in the sense that regular tetrahedra cannot be used to tile 3-dimensional space in the way that cubes can (or squares and equilateral triangles in 2-space). Try it; after fitting five tetrahedra around an edge to make someting looking not unlike a certain automotive logo), there's a gap left over too small to fix a sixth into. If fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or mineral? Well, how many living minerals do you know? Morgan L. Owens "I think they'd be fungi, myself." - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Muth Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 23-01-01 (Mandelbrot Sylphs [7]) Classic FOTD -- January 23, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I've been pondering some very important questions today -- questions such as: "are fractals alive?" and "if they are alive, are they animal, vegetable or mineral?" Common sense would dictate that fractals are neither animal, vegetable, nor mineral, but rather abstractions, and therefore cannot be considered alive. However, not being bound by common sense, I feel that the question remains open. Animals and vegetables are certainly alive. The behavior of certain mineral crystals comes close to life, and in certain occult disciplines minerals are considered to be the kingdom of life directly beneath the vegetable kingdom. Carrying this train of thought further, thinking humans are composed of molecules, molecules are composed of atoms, atoms are composed of sub-atomic particles, and sub-atomic particles appear to be composed of mathematical functions, which for convenience the human biological mind makes manifest to itself as particles. Fractals are also composed of mathematical functions, which the computer silicon mind makes manifest to the human senses as pretty pictures, fractal music, etc. Does this mean that fractals are alive in hyperspace? No, but it makes fractaling more interesting and gives skeptics something to explain away. Today's possibly living fractal is named "Mandelbrot Sylphs". A sylph is an elemental spirit of the air, a light airy thing, with gossamer wings and nothing to do but fly around heaven all day. Since I enjoy the firefly-like decorations on the filaments, which remind me of sylphs, I rated the picture a 7. The sylph formula is 500Z^(-2.49)-500Z^(-2.51)+(1/C), once again a whimsical creation. With a render time of just over 3 minutes, running the parameter file is the best way to see the sylphs fluttering against the deep astral blue of the sky. An alternate way to see the image is to wait 16 hours until it is posted to the Usenet group: alt.binaries.pictures.fractals or to wait a much briefer hour or so until it is available at: and: The fractal weather today was sunny and cold. The temperature of 34F (1C) limited the fractal cats, who most certainly are alive, to 5 minutes on the porch and 10 seconds in the snow at the bottom of the porch stairs. My philosophical muse is coming back online, so the coming days could be interesting and enlightening. The next C-FOTD will appear in 24 hours. Until then, take care, and both fractals and people are ultimately composed of numbers, but what this means is anybody's guess. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Mandelbrot_Sylphs { ; time=0:03:08.12 -- SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=critical.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.0826770823005174/+0.448556725065169/98\ 28077/1/-115 params=1/-2.49/-1/-2.51/449/11 float=y maxiter=600 inside=0 logmap=50 periodicity=10 colors=00000F00F03G00H<4>00M00N00P<2>10Q10Q31Q31S43S\ 43S64T64T76T76TCAXGD_JHaNKdSNgVSi_VlaYofarkdvniwrlzw\ ozztzzwzzzzzwzzvtzrkzpczoXzlNzkGzi9zf0zd0zc0UUQ03z3A\ z6Hz7Pz<2>EkzGpzHlzHiwHdvHarH_pHVnHSkHNiHKfHHdKMfMQg\ PTiQYkSalVdnXio_lp`pravtdxvfzwgzwlippNklQggTddXa`Y_Y\ `XTcTQfQMgPJkMEnJCpG7rD4vA0x70z60z40z40z9<2>0zK1zN1x\ S3wV3v_3va0o_0jX0fV0cS0cQ0cN0cK0cJ0cG0cE<3>0cC0cC0cC\ 0dC0iA0nA0rA0w90z91z91z96z69v4Do1Gi0Kc0Nc0Sc0Vc0_c0a\ c0dc0ac0_c0<3>PcTNc`PcV<3>VcDXc9Yc4_c0<2>cc0dc0dc0fc\ 0<2>gc0gc0ic0ic0ic0kc0lc0tc_zczwcztczrfwogrlknknigpd\ dr`cvXbxSczN<3>gz6hzAizEjzJkzM<4>pz7qz4rz9szDtzHuzKv\ zPwzTwzYwz`wzdzzizznzzpzzlzzgzzdzz`zzYzzTzzQzzMzzJzz\ EzzCzzHzzMzzQzzXzz`zzc<3>zzczz0zz7zzSzzczzczz0<3>zz0\ zz3<2>zz7zz9zz9zzAzzCzzDzzD } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:02:13 -0800 From: "Diana L. Dubel" Subject: RE: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Programmer Dude, I am glad some of us have a sense of humor in this technical world! Diana ======================================== Diana L. Dubel :-) E-mail - - - dldubel@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~dldubel/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Programmer Dude Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:36 PM To: fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 21-01-01 (An Ikenaga Quantum [7]) Jim Muth wrote: [set HUMOR MODE = ON] > I wrote: >> Jim Muth wrote: >> >>> [If] fractals were alive, would they be animal, vegetable, or >>> mineral? >> >> Yes! > > Since as far as we know, minerals are not alive,... Tch, tch, tch. Limited thinking! And from a Science Fiction fan at that! Remember that old Star Trek show about the Horta?.... > ...living fractals would have to be either animal or vegetable. Ah, you were asking a TRICK QUESTION then! ;-\ > But they are certainly not animal, nor are they vegetable. If they > were either of these, fractals would be a possible source of food. Wellllll, it's *obvious* they feed the imagination. For successful (in da commercial sense) fractists, they prolly feed the tummy, too! > Since no one that I know of has yet eaten a fractal, the only logical > conclusion must be that fractals are not alive. Yoiks! Ya asked a trick question, and I fell for it!! Shucks, just 'cause you don' know no one who ever ate a fractal, don' mean they ain't none! Maybe somewhere out there in the wide, wide universe dere's a crystal silicon lifeform that munches on Mandelmidgets like grapes on a vine..... Chomp, chomp! ;-)) - -- |_ CJSonnack _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:33:49 +1300 From: "Morgan L. Owens" Subject: Re: (fractint) 4D life? At 12:16 23/01/2001 +1300, I wrote: >Morgan L. Owens >"I think they'd be fungi, myself." No, no, no! Not mineral, not vegetable, not animal, not fungi, protists or archaebacteria: but fractals _are_ alive! At least, to the extent that viruses can be said to be alive. Consider how many times the Mandelbrot set has been reproduced. How much effort has been devoted to ever more detailed and accurate reproduction. From the index case in March 1980, the pandemic has spread throughout the world, infecting tens of thousands certainly, and probably more, and that's just counting people whose resources have been put to the use of reproducing it again and hopefully spreading it further. It wafts in to your mind, perhaps using a trippy colour scheme to prepare a welcoming neurochemical balance, allay your suspicions and weaken your defences. Once installed, it sends its tendrils out, and you start thinking about it. You get curious. You find out a bit more about it. Your behaviour becomes biased towards modes which would facilitate its further spread, in the same way that a cold virus encourages you to sneeze more. Before too long you end up downloading Fractint and from then on I'm afraid the condition's probably incurable. Morgan L. Owens "The CDC have put out an advisory on Tim Wegner." - -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------ End of fractint-digest V1 #533 ******************************