From: "Z" Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #180 Date: 30 Apr 2002 14:18:58 -0700 >> It short, he's got it made and that doesn't leave much room >> left for adventure. No adventure = no plot. No plot = no book. Well, he could still have the aliens that took off run into a Guardship or two.... ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "don" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies Date: 01 May 2002 12:40:58 -0500 I got mine at a Half Price. I got very lucky. That is the first and only time I saw it. Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:09 PM > I found a copy of 'Matter of Time' stashed the mystery section of a small > town bookstore in central illinois. I didn't even know it existed, and I > have every other Cook except 'Sung in Blood' & 'Swap Academy.' > > Couldn't believe my eyes, had to read the first page to recognize his > unmistakable writing style. All that for half cover price, whatever that > was. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Brooke A. > Wheeler > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:39 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies > > > Is "Matter of Time" that hard to find then? I bought a copy from Glen > for $5 at last year's Philcon... guess I just got lucky, eh? > > don wrote: > > >Thanks for the information guys. I actually saw the B&N stuff. I just > >couldn't believe anybody was buying that book for that price. It's not that > >hard to find (except when you really want it). I can see it for Sung in > >blood, Matter of Time, and the Dragon Never Sleeps. Is anyone interested in > >doing a trade? I will have to sift through my stuff to see what I have > >duplicate copies of. > > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 01 May 2002 18:13:34 -0400 (EDT) > >You know, I think it's possible to settle whether Cook could thrive on >with a 'distributor' type publisher. The next time he's at a Con or >speaking at a writter's group someone could ask him how important an >editor is to his writting process. > Good idea. It would be an interesting question to have answered regardless of whether he'd want to aim for a 'distributor' publisher. Steve -- Steve Chew - schew@interzone.com - http://www.interzone.com "The spinal column is a long bunch of bones. The head sits on the top and you sit on the bottom." -- things children say... ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 05:43:37 -0400 (EDT) >I've always seen it used on the Candian Learn Channel - not that's >there's much to see. It hums a bit (sounded like a normal high powered >printer or advanced copier) and then a bound book was produced. > Sounds very cool. I want one of those for my basement. ;-) >But one custom = one book loses the ecomeny of scale - which means the >business model is still being researched. >[...] >The newspaper article mentioned the machine one bookstore was used only >2 to 4 days a week - which means they had a capital item sitting there >doing nothing. > A good point. Technology improvements may be able to offset the economy of scale to eventually make single copies a "reasonable" cost. BTW, did that article discuss the actual cost of the print-on-demand books (for either customer or bookstore)? I think that the big cost will be in making the older books available. Perhaps the only hope is to keep all books produced from now on available. Until at least that much is available then it will be a big flop since its main usefulness is in printing the harder-to-find books, not stuff like Shakespeare that you can find anywhere. >> > >> >Call me a snob if you want, but I hope publishing companies retain their >> >gatekeeping functions and well as their high editoral standards. I can >> >live with the occasional typo but when I read I expect a professional >> >product, not something from a vanity press. >> > >> Even if that means authors like Glen Cook can't get published? > >[Deleted example of how editing is important to authors] > >I've seen some of the things some of the epublishers are selling that I >wouldn't bother downloading for free. If I go on Joe's franchise> fan fiction site I'll expect a certain level of work (at >least spelled checked) and be surprised if has anything I'd pay for. > >If I invest time and money into a new novel based on , >I expect a much higher quality of work [...] > I agree that the editing functions of publishers can be very important. They're not going to disappear just because we move to a new model of online sales/distribution. > >I'd hate to a "Garrett Does Dallas (and her four sisters)" book >epublished because something came up and Cook had to raise some money >fast and banged out something in three days. Without the aid of a good >editor many authors can't produce at their best, and it's their fans who >suffer. I've seen a couple of high selling authors produce crap because >people will buy anything with that name on it so the publishers don't >bother to work on it. (Note: their crap is a lot better than what many >first time authors produce but it was crap for them.) > >Would we end up with The Annuals of the Black Company (reg pub - reg >price) and The Exciting Serial Adventures of Croaker and his faithful >sidekick One Eye (distributed but not edited, full of typos) for half >price? While costing less will I get the same level of reward for the >time I invest? > If an author pulled a stunt like that too often then he would quickly lose his fans. The authors who can operate well without an editor will gain a reputation just as the ones do now with editors. Those authors who cannot operate without an editor will either sell very few books or have to resort to using an editing house. These editing houses will serve the function of the editing part of today's publishers. They will get a cut of the book's profits which will be a good incentive to edit well. They will also weed out the dreck (or at least the unpopular) since it will only be worth their time to edit something that will sell. People will be able to look to "Tor Editing House" and know that they're getting a quality work like they've seen in the past. >Then there's the business model - if RChilton Publishing Inc just >distributes books why would people deal with it rather than SChew >Publishing Inc? What does such a publisher bring to the table that will >allow them to keep their writers working for them? How do I encourage >Joe's Books to buy from my company and not yours if we both provide the >same minimal level of service? How do we both hang when a quality >publisher finds a cheep way to port his better quality wares to our >medium? > In order for the model to work, all new books would have to be made available in a "universal" electronic format. This format would allow either print-on-demand or online purchase/downloading (to read on your e-book, computer, or PDA). Joe's Books might stock some of the most popular titles on the shelves (similar to today in some ways) but would otherwise simply be a supplier of print-on-demand books. They would have access to the global database of books available in the universal format. We would stop by the store, have them print out "Sung in Blood" and take it home to read. Places like Amazon.com would be a nexus for buying the online versions of the books. There would probably only be a few "publishers" who act as a central repository of the books in "universal" format. They might take a small cut of each sale. Ideally this service would also be supplied by a place like the Library of Congress so that all books can remain available forever. The other thing that would happen in parallel (and this is already happening to a certain degree) is that there would be ratings/reviews/editorials/comments about these books online. Places like Amazon.com would collect these ratings so that you could 'browse' the bookstore and see what people thought about the books -- they already do this today. If the book had terrible editing, the rating would most likely be low. The most popular authors (and those with a powerful fan base) would gain a reputation through these various review sites as being the ones who are most worthwhile. Soon there would be sites whose sole purpose is to collect the ratings from all of the other sites. Reputations would be built via word of mouth just like they are today. Readers would go to these sites to decide on what to read next. There is still room in this model for the editors and even the marketers (to place those book ads prominently on the review sites). The advantage is that it puts everyone on more equal ground. The brand new author is available just as easily as Stephen King. The only advantage King has is his reputation (which is everything in this model). Authors like Glen Cook would benefit because he could still sell those old books to his rabid fans and his cost would be minimal (assuming he put them into the universal format when he wrote them of course). And once he gained a good reputation through a series like the Black Company his old books would still be available to new fans (unlike today). Heck, despite not having his books in the "universal" format even Glen might benefit since a few rabid fans could take his books (with his permission of course!) and convert them to universal format. I'm sure there would be a groundswell of books made available this way just like people today are taking their time to make books available in various formats for PDAs. >Those are the questions that have to be answered before anyone will put >serious ventrue into the model - especially with the internet bubble >still on everyone's mind. > It is certainly a chicken and egg problem. The publishers are the obvious candidates to get it started since they have the money and the know-how, but they are deathly afraid of what it will do to their business. Instead, it will be a very gradual process and one day many of the old-style publishers will wake up to find that the very ground has shifted underneath them. I know these are long posts, but I think that they are on topic since these kinds of issues will directly affect authors like Glen Cook in the coming years. I have hope that he can take advantage of them. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 06:05:13 -0400 (EDT) > >Most books in Russia published in free online libraries. Russian >publishers and authors don't afraid that. If I read book on-line and >it's like me, I buy it. And most russian readers do it too. > That's very interesting. I wonder if there are numbers on the percentages of downloads vs. sales and so on. Also, are the Russian publishers making a profit? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "APZK" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 17:03:18 +0400 > > > >Most books in Russia published in free online libraries. Russian > >publishers and authors don't afraid that. If I read book on-line and > >it's like me, I buy it. And most russian readers do it too. > > > > That's very interesting. I wonder if there are numbers on > the percentages of downloads vs. sales and so on. Also, are the > Russian publishers making a profit? Hmm, I think that there are some psychological diference between russian readers and US readers. There are more readers in Russia than in US, and so, if I don't want to buy book, I can take book at my friend, even if I can't download it. Otherwise, if I like this book, I buy it anyway. I downloading only these books which are not possible to buy. Why I did it? First, it is not pleasent to read book from display ( and not health-giving for eyes). Of course, I can print this book on my printer... but it will not be cheaper than buying the book Second, it will be pleasent to have all book of my favorite author at my bookshelf. Other reason, why russian publishers don't afraid to publish books in www, is there are not many peoples in Russia have access to internet at home. And last, books in Russia cheaper than in US. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 12:09:32 -0400 (EDT) "There are more readers in Russia than in US" - are you so sure about that ? Who conducted that research and where the results have been published ? Are you talking about the overall literate part of the populace or readers of some particular author/genre ? Or maybe it's just part of general innate knowledge, rather like "Russia is a motherland of elephants" ? Cheers, Igor On Sat, 4 May 2002, APZK wrote: > > > > > >Most books in Russia published in free online libraries. Russian > > >publishers and authors don't afraid that. If I read book on-line and > > >it's like me, I buy it. And most russian readers do it too. > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I wonder if there are numbers on > > the percentages of downloads vs. sales and so on. Also, are the > > Russian publishers making a profit? > > Hmm, I think that there are some psychological diference between russian > readers and US readers. There are more readers in Russia than in US, and so, > if I don't want to buy book, I can take book at my friend, even if I can't > download it. Otherwise, if I like this book, I buy it anyway. I downloading > only these books which are not possible to buy. Why I did it? First, it is > not pleasent to read book from display ( and not health-giving for eyes). Of > course, I can print this book on my printer... but it will not be cheaper > than buying the book Second, it will be pleasent to have all book of my > favorite author at my bookshelf. Other reason, why russian publishers don't > afraid to publish books in www, is there are not many peoples in Russia have > access to internet at home. And last, books in Russia cheaper than in US. > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David George" Subject: RE: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 11:15:00 -0500 Actually, what you describe is very much like the US. Some publishers like Baen Books have realized this and have found that putting books on websites does not decrease sales of paper copies. Speaking for myself, I don't mind reading a few sample chapters online but reading an entire book online is just plain uncomfortable. Give me paper book and an easy chair or a hammock every time. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of APZK Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:03 AM > > > >Most books in Russia published in free online libraries. Russian > >publishers and authors don't afraid that. If I read book on-line and > >it's like me, I buy it. And most russian readers do it too. > > > > That's very interesting. I wonder if there are numbers on > the percentages of downloads vs. sales and so on. Also, are the > Russian publishers making a profit? Hmm, I think that there are some psychological diference between russian readers and US readers. There are more readers in Russia than in US, and so, if I don't want to buy book, I can take book at my friend, even if I can't download it. Otherwise, if I like this book, I buy it anyway. I downloading only these books which are not possible to buy. Why I did it? First, it is not pleasent to read book from display ( and not health-giving for eyes). Of course, I can print this book on my printer... but it will not be cheaper than buying the book Second, it will be pleasent to have all book of my favorite author at my bookshelf. Other reason, why russian publishers don't afraid to publish books in www, is there are not many peoples in Russia have access to internet at home. And last, books in Russia cheaper than in US. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horky, Roger" Subject: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 11:55:51 -0500 (warning: vague generalisation follows) Well, Russians have a reputation for being a literate people (remember, the communists subsidised book production to encourage reading) and Americans, unfortunately, have a reputation for not wanting to read (I work at an academic library and even our students resist picking up a book, preferring to be spoon-fed the material via the net and TV sound bites--I can imagine what things are like in 'the real world'). I once read an informal survey of professionals in America in which well over half admitted to not having read a book for entertainment since leaving college. About a third admitted to having no fiction books in their homes. Of course, we all know the value of anecdotal evidence. Just thought it was interesting. And yet, with the exception of my brother, all of the people I know are the type that consume fiction at a prodigious rate and will read the back of the cereal box when all other reading material is exhausted. I have to assume that you all fall into this category--else why would we be members of this group, eh? In my one encounter with Glen Cook back in '96 he described himself as being one of those guys who read everything. He named a wide and varied list of topics he was interested in. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:10 AM "There are more readers in Russia than in US" - are you so sure about that ? Who conducted that research and where the results have been published ? Are you talking about the overall literate part of the populace or readers of some particular author/genre ? Or maybe it's just part of general innate knowledge, rather like "Russia is a motherland of elephants" ? Cheers, Igor ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 17:44:21 -0300 Steve Chew wrote: > > I know these are long posts, but I think that they are on > topic since these kinds of issues will directly affect authors like Glen > Cook in the coming years. I have hope that he can take advantage of them. > Note - since people aren't joining in this discussion I just replied privately to this post. If anyone wants to see the discussion I'll post the reply to this is list. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stacey Harris Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Guest Speaker Date: 04 May 2002 16:45:35 -0500 Damndamndamn! I missed the Glen Cook night at the St. Charles SF/F Society, Thursday night. I didn't think to check the calendar before the weekend--of course, this time of year (right before finals, just after having given the last regular exam of the semester) I don't normally have time to take an entire evening off, in any case *sigh* Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Guest Speaker Date: 04 May 2002 22:53:32 -0400 (EDT) > >Damndamndamn! > >I missed the Glen Cook night at the St. Charles SF/F Society, Thursday >night. I didn't think to check the calendar before the weekend--of >course, this time of year (right before finals, just after having given >the last regular exam of the semester) I don't normally have time to >take an entire evening off, in any case *sigh* > Sorry to hear that. :( Did anyone on the list make it? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 22:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Just FYI, Richard and I have taken the Print On Demand discussion offline since we weren't sure there was much interest in it on the list. For those who are interested drop me an email and I'll include you in on the discussion. If a lot of people show interest we'll put it back on the mailing list. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 04 May 2002 23:47:07 -0400 (EDT) > > Just FYI, Richard and I have taken the Print On Demand discussion >offline since we weren't sure there was much interest in it on the list. >For those who are interested drop me an email and I'll include you in on >the discussion. If a lot of people show interest we'll put it back on >the mailing list. > Whoops, just noticed that Richard already said that... . To try for some Glen Cook content: Has anyone heard word about Cook's thriller? Has a publisher shown interest? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: (glencook-fans) Monthly Mailing List Info Date: 05 May 2002 00:33:02 -0600 The April mail archives have been posted to the website. Russia: Omnibus with novels "Passage At Arms" ("Reyd") and "The Dragon never sleeps" ("Drakon ne spit nikogda") to be published by AST in June. Hungary: "The Black Company" and "Shadows Linger" have both been published. Not particularly recently, but I just found out about them. The covers aren't too bad. -- This mailing list is sponsored by The Glen Cook Fan Page at: . The mailing list archives and instructions of how to subscribe or unsubscribe can be found at: . The mailing list FAQ can be found at: . The mailing list exclusive Glen Cook Bibliography can be found at: . -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "APZK" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 05 May 2002 00:15:00 +0400 Hmm... Maybe that research was conducted, it seems to me that I've read about it in some newspaper, but I not sure. As Roger Horky said, Russians have a reputation for being a literate people. Hence, it is not only my opinion. I don't know, why it so. Maybe it is "general innate knowledge", but I think that there are some reasons for think so. But I think that now Russia is becoming not so literate country... but I hope that I'm wrong. P.S. Igor, are you Russian? Where are you living and where are you from? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:09 PM > "There are more readers in Russia than in US" - are you so sure about > that ? Who conducted that research and where the results have been > published ? Are you talking about the overall literate part of the > populace or readers of some particular author/genre ? > Or maybe it's just part of general innate knowledge, rather like > "Russia is a motherland of elephants" ? > > Cheers, > Igor ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 06 May 2002 12:14:52 -0700 They also provide them in a format that you can load onto a PDA. For me, this works as well as a book. I currently have about 60 or so books on my Palm m505. I can even read in the dark, as it has a backlighted screen. It's also small enough to slip in my back pocket, which is more convenient even than a paperback. Too bad none of Cook's stuff is available in e-book format, though you can find some other Tor authors in electronic form. David George wrote: >Actually, what you describe is very much like the US. Some publishers >like Baen Books have realized this and have found that putting books on >websites does not decrease sales of paper copies. Speaking for myself, I >don't mind reading a few sample chapters online but reading an entire >book online is just plain uncomfortable. Give me paper book and an easy >chair or a hammock every time. > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 06 May 2002 15:57:27 -0400 (EDT) APZK, Far be it from my affairs what information sources you use but perhaps you shouldn't trust those particular newspapers quite so much, or else you'd find yourself repeating somebody's grandma's anecdotes for a fact. Allow me to let you know - few bookstores in Russia can compare with the most provincial "Barnes & Noble" in the States, and it doesn't end with the bookstores - the library in my college for example has almost 5 million volumes - not only in English but also in Russian, Spanish, French etc. etc... While popularity of a certain author - e.g. Glen Cook - may be greater in Russia, the statement that people there read more in general seems rather far-fetched. From what I've seen of the Russian online bookshelves usually they're not connected to publishers (that is - regular, hard-copy publishers) in any way, so it's difficult to make an assertion how much Russian publishers are happy with the existence of the online books. Maybe the proliferation of the online libraries is more due to the fact of the handicapped judicial system than because of the benevolence of the said publishers. Best, Igor Filippov P.S. Maybe you might want to start signing your messages before asking personal questions. Come to think of it, signing one's messages in general seems like a good way of conveying respect to the people you're communicating with... On Sun, 5 May 2002, APZK wrote: > Hmm... Maybe that research was conducted, it seems to me that I've read > about it in some newspaper, but I not sure. As Roger Horky said, Russians > have a reputation for being a literate people. Hence, it is not only my > opinion. I don't know, why it so. Maybe it is "general innate knowledge", > but I think that there are some reasons for think so. But I think that now > Russia is becoming not so literate country... but I hope that I'm wrong. > > P.S. > Igor, are you Russian? Where are you living and where are you from? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Igor Filippov > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand > > > > "There are more readers in Russia than in US" - are you so sure about > > that ? Who conducted that research and where the results have been > > published ? Are you talking about the overall literate part of the > > populace or readers of some particular author/genre ? > > Or maybe it's just part of general innate knowledge, rather like > > "Russia is a motherland of elephants" ? > > > > Cheers, > > Igor > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #181 Date: 06 May 2002 20:41:31 EDT FYI, the May issue of Locus Magazine notes that Glen Cook sold a new untitled fantasy trilogy to Tor. This must be the 'R.R. Martin'-like series that's been mentioned previously. Scott Klobas ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #181 Date: 07 May 2002 15:37:17 +0100 (BST) --- Klobas@aol.com wrote: > FYI, the May issue of Locus Magazine notes that Glen > Cook sold a new untitled > fantasy trilogy to Tor. This must be the 'R.R. > Martin'-like series that's > been mentioned previously. > > Scott Klobas Locus always takes so freaking long to get to Canada. I just got my April issue! Argh! Another Cook fantasy trilogy. Mmmm. ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) "Souls and a Silver Sword" (http://www.fragmentedinfinity.org/sword/SilverSword.htm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: new series Date: 07 May 2002 15:14:54 -0400 (EDT) > >FYI, the May issue of Locus Magazine notes that Glen Cook sold a new untitled >fantasy trilogy to Tor. This must be the 'R.R. Martin'-like series that's >been mentioned previously. > ... ... Boy, and I thought Martin was brutal to his characters. Wait 'til Cook gives it a shot. :) Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: new series Date: 07 May 2002 16:21:18 -0300 Any word on when they're due out? Richard (who's assuming Cook sold the outlines and is now busy written) ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "APZK" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand Date: 08 May 2002 01:27:18 +0400 > Far be it from my affairs what information sources you use but perhaps you > shouldn't trust those particular newspapers quite so much, or else you'd > find yourself repeating somebody's grandma's anecdotes for a fact. I don't trust newspapers at all :-). But I must to confess that my opinion is based lightly on impressions taken from cinema and books. For example, I never seen peoples in subway, reading books in US movies :-). Joke. > Allow me to let you know - few bookstores in Russia can > compare with the most provincial "Barnes & Noble" in the States, and it > doesn't end with the bookstores - the library in my college for example > has almost 5 million volumes - not only in English but also in Russian, > Spanish, French etc. etc... Size of bookstores don't mean nothing (By the way, have you seen book fair "Knizhnyi mir" at sport complex "Olimpisciy"? It is not small ;-) ). For example, I think that shoes shops in US larger than in Russia. And so you think that all people in Russia walking barefooted? Hmmm... I agree, bookstores in the States much better than in Russia, but it is formed by economic situation. Of course, it is very good if I always can find book I needed, but if don't find it, I simple take other book. Meaning of total amuont of books is nothing - decisive factor is total amount of readers. Why I think that there are more readers in Russia? First, when Russia was USSR there were not so much entertaiments - for example, TV was very dull (I must say that it is now not so good as in US - most of people haven't any commercial cable- or satellite- TV - only 8 official channels). Second, in Russian schools is large literary curriculum. >While popularity of a certain author - e.g. > Glen Cook - may be greater in Russia, the statement that people there read > more in general seems rather far-fetched. I don't mean popularity of certain author. > From what I've seen of the Russian online bookshelves usually they're not > connected to publishers (that is - regular, hard-copy publishers) in any > way, so it's difficult to make an assertion how much Russian publishers > are happy with the existence of the online books. Maybe the proliferation > of the online libraries is more due to the fact of the handicapped judicial > system than because of the benevolence of the said publishers. I can't say about all authors whom book was e-published in Russia, but I can say that new book of popular russian fantasy (hm... maybe it is not fantasy... I can't define genre of his books correctly) author Max Frei was published in internet with his full agreement. And publication of this book beginned before it's "paper" publications. It is not single event. > Maybe you might want to start signing your messages before asking personal > questions. Come to think of it, signing one's messages in general seems > like a good way of conveying respect to the people you're > communicating with... I'm not signing my messages not because I'm hiding my name. If somebody want to know my name, I can say it in private letter. Simple, there are no my sign inserted by mail program because... mmmm.... I dislike some kind of peoples called "spamers", etc (I don't mean that somebody from this forum is "spamer") . P.S. I think that this branch of discussion became some offtopic. I'll send you mail. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CookReader@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies Date: 19 May 2002 13:32:39 EDT In a message dated 4/27/02 10:57:56 PM, dfgarcia@stic.net writes: << Anybody know if this book is still in print. It is keeping me from moving on in the series. >> You get one yet? ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "don" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies Date: 19 May 2002 13:52:23 -0500 no not yet. Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:32 PM > > In a message dated 4/27/02 10:57:56 PM, dfgarcia@stic.net writes: > > << Anybody know if this book is still in print. It is keeping me from moving > on in the series. >> > > You get one yet? > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Tygers Subject: (glencook-fans) Angry Lead Skies (spoilers) Date: 20 May 2002 01:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Scroll down... I just finished this. And, um...I love Glen Cook's writing dearly but this was awful. Possibly even worse than Petty Pewter Gods, which at least had a plot (as I recall). This just rambled all over the place, resolving nothing, answering none of the questions raised, and dragged out a lot longer than it needed to...(like Garrett capturing a bunch of aliens, letting Casey go, then suddenly deciding he needed to capture him again). Hell it read like a bad parody of a Garrett book - he got knocked unconscious fifty or sixty times and had a threesome with two little gray aliens. Aside from chuckling at Garrett's tricycle lust I didn't find any of this enjoyable - no surprise revelations, no clever twists, no interesting observations. The alien angle could have been entertaining, but he did nothing new with them at all. I can't imagine what a first-time Garrett reader would get from it. I think his publisher needs to stop pushing him to write Garrett books and let him do other stuff already. Cook's one of the very few authors on my "buy everything" list, but this was clearly written to fulfill an obligation and I doubt I'll buy another Garrett book if they do one. After Faded Steel Heat I thought he might be making a bit of a comeback (DBS and RIN were just okay, DQL less so, and PPG was the worst to date), but it seems the heat really has faded. This was pointless filler that went exactly nowhere. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Lead Skies (spoilers) Date: 20 May 2002 13:32:44 -0300 Robert Tygers wrote: > > Scroll down... > . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > I think his publisher needs to stop pushing him to > write Garrett books and let him do other stuff > already. Cook's one of the very few authors on my "buy > everything" list, but this was clearly written to > fulfill an obligation and I doubt I'll buy another > Garrett book if they do one. After Faded Steel Heat I > thought he might be making a bit of a comeback (DBS > and RIN were just okay, DQL less so, and PPG was the > worst to date), but it seems the heat really has > faded. This was pointless filler that went exactly nowhere. > It was an interesting treatment of aliens in a fantasy genre, but it will never be my favorite Gerrett book. I see this book less as filler and more of setting the stage for the next book. It wasn't so much that it lacked a plot but it was busy handling the series spanning plots. As a stand alone book it suffered, but the series will probably be better for it. In a way it reminds me of one the classic Amber novels - You have action, action, action then comes a book where all the main characters met in the castle library and talk. Few new plot elements are introduced, but mainy of the old ones are addressed. Little gaps are filled in and the stage is set for the next bit. In ALS we learned what was happening with many minor plot elements. The mob boss who uses her father as sheild is cracking, the city is changing and set to change big time, Garrett's finances are settled - little things are being put into place. Then again I could be wrong - the next book might not be written or if it is then it might not build on this book. If that is the case then this book would feel like filler. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #184 Date: 20 May 2002 20:40:59 EDT The SFBC is releasing an omnibus entitled _The Black Company Goes South_ in August. The book comprises _The Silver Spike_, _Shadow Games_ and _Dreams of Steel_. I'm sure most of us on the list already have copies of these books, but a hardcover omnibus could be an attractive holiday gift. Scott Klobas ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #184 Date: 21 May 2002 15:18:09 +0100 (BST) Personally, I find it odd that Silver Spike is included with Shadow Game and Dreams of Steel. Bleak Seasons seems a more fitting choice, although they'll probably be releasing a "Glittering Stone" Omnibus, which would include Bleak Seasons. The thing is, Silver Spike isn't about _the_ Black Company, but about brothers left behind. It is cool to have those books in hardcover. May have to join the SFBC (the internet one doesn't allow Canadians, the bastards!) See ya! --- Klobas@aol.com wrote: > The SFBC is releasing an omnibus entitled _The Black > Company Goes South_ in > August. The book comprises _The Silver Spike_, > _Shadow Games_ and _Dreams of > Steel_. > > I'm sure most of us on the list already have copies > of these books, but a > hardcover omnibus could be an attractive holiday > gift. > > Scott Klobas > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) "Souls and a Silver Sword" (http://www.fragmentedinfinity.org/sword/SilverSword.htm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #184 Date: 21 May 2002 08:29:37 -0600 on 5/21/02 8:18 AM, Fraser Ronald at stelm7@yahoo.com wrote: > Personally, I find it odd that Silver Spike is > included with Shadow Game and Dreams of Steel. Bleak > Seasons seems a more fitting choice, although they'll > probably be releasing a "Glittering Stone" Omnibus, > which would include Bleak Seasons. Well, actually, they already did two years ago. -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AndersNJ@bscmail.buffalostate.edu Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #184 Date: 21 May 2002 11:13:49 -0400 I don't really. Considering it does follow the other branch of the company, and could be read as a separate story outside of the main story line to someone who does not know of the books of the north Nick -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:18 AM Personally, I find it odd that Silver Spike is included with Shadow Game and Dreams of Steel. Bleak Seasons seems a more fitting choice, although they'll probably be releasing a "Glittering Stone" Omnibus, which would include Bleak Seasons. The thing is, Silver Spike isn't about _the_ Black Company, but about brothers left behind. It is cool to have those books in hardcover. May have to join the SFBC (the internet one doesn't allow Canadians, the bastards!) See ya! --- Klobas@aol.com wrote: > The SFBC is releasing an omnibus entitled _The Black > Company Goes South_ in > August. The book comprises _The Silver Spike_, > _Shadow Games_ and _Dreams of > Steel_. > > I'm sure most of us on the list already have copies > of these books, but a > hardcover omnibus could be an attractive holiday > gift. > > Scott Klobas > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) "Souls and a Silver Sword" (http://www.fragmentedinfinity.org/sword/SilverSword.htm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Lead Skies (spoilers) Date: 21 May 2002 17:46:06 -0700 Comment below...

robotchas@yahoo.com wrote:
Scroll down...






















I just finished this. And, um...I love Glen Cook's
writing dearly but this was awful. Possibly even worse
than Petty Pewter Gods, which at least had a plot (as
I recall). This just rambled all over the place,
resolving nothing, answering none of the questions
raised, and dragged out a lot longer than it needed
to...
Huh? PPG is my second favorite in the series (after SSB) I laughed my *ss off. This one was pretty funny too. Then again, I *like* a little silliness now and again. I suppose everyone's tastes are different.

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======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #184 Date: 22 May 2002 15:28:02 +0100 (BST) Well, looks like I really _have_to_ join the SFBC. Thanks for the info. I should visit the site more often. --- Eric Herrmann wrote: > on 5/21/02 8:18 AM, Fraser Ronald at > stelm7@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Personally, I find it odd that Silver Spike is > > included with Shadow Game and Dreams of Steel. > Bleak > > Seasons seems a more fitting choice, although > they'll > > probably be releasing a "Glittering Stone" > Omnibus, > > which would include Bleak Seasons. > > Well, actually, they already did two years ago. > > > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) "Souls and a Silver Sword" (http://www.fragmentedinfinity.org/sword/SilverSword.htm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike Date: 22 May 2002 14:12:06 -0400 (EDT) > >Personally, I find it odd that Silver Spike is >included with Shadow Game and Dreams of Steel. Bleak >Seasons seems a more fitting choice, although they'll >probably be releasing a "Glittering Stone" Omnibus, >which would include Bleak Seasons. The thing is, >Silver Spike isn't about _the_ Black Company, but >about brothers left behind. It is cool to have those >books in hardcover. May have to join the SFBC (the >internet one doesn't allow Canadians, the bastards!) > To me, Silver Spike fits in better with the plots of Shadow Games and Dreams of Steel. Bleak Seasons was a departure from the "old" company to the "new" one which we see in the Glittering Stones books. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A Turner" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike Date: 23 May 2002 12:26:57 +1000 SPOILERS: Silver Spike, Shadow Games, Dreams of Steel > To me, Silver Spike fits in better with the plots of Shadow Games >and Dreams of Steel. Bleak Seasons was a departure from the "old" >company to the "new" one which we see in the Glittering Stones books. > > Steve I agree about Shadow Games. There is imaginative use in Silver Spike of the plot of Shadow Games and the journey south to Khatovar when Raven chases Croaker, as well as wrapping up loose ends with the Brotherhood in the North (Silent, Raven, Darling) - even if it is all pretty grim. But can you say the same about Dreams of Steel? Everything in it seems to me to lay the ground for the later books of the South. Lady's involvement with Kina, the appearance of the Stranglers, the birth of her daughter, the 'resurrection' of Soulcatcher, Howler's reappearance and alliance with Longshadow, Mogaba's encounter at the end with Croaker. The Brotherhood only plays a very peripheral role in it - if I remember rightly the only Brother besides Croaker to appear is Murgen, and then only briefly. Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike Date: 23 May 2002 15:52:09 +0100 (BST) --- Steve Chew wrote: > > > >Personally, I find it odd that Silver Spike is > >included with Shadow Game and Dreams of Steel. > Bleak > >Seasons seems a more fitting choice, although > To me, Silver Spike fits in better with the plots > of Shadow Games > and Dreams of Steel. Bleak Seasons was a departure > from the "old" > company to the "new" one which we see in the > Glittering Stones books. > > Steve Yeah, now that you mention it that way (and with the Glittering Stone omnibuses . . . omnibae?) it makes more sense. Heck, it's just cool all the Black Company books are in hardcover now. ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) "Souls and a Silver Sword" (http://www.fragmentedinfinity.org/sword/SilverSword.htm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lindsay Buroker" Subject: (glencook-fans) Hello all. Date: 26 May 2002 19:05:05 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C204E8.3ED893E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Newbie here. Just thought I'd say hi. I recently finished the Black Company series. Good stuff. The first = three books in particular are going to have a spot on my = favorites-of-all-time list. I'm not a huge fan (ok, not at all) of the = epic-tolkein-based stuff that is so popular right now which probably = explains part of why I enjoyed the books so much. Hmm, or maybe I just = liked Croaker =3D) =20 I'm trying to find some of Cook's other stuff but that seems to be a = chore and a half. The Garratt(sp?) stories sound like something I would = like but I hate to start a series with the last book. Are they = stand-alone novels? Would I be able to pick up the recently published = one and enjoy it? It seems that the first books in the series are out = of print. I guess, I'll keep an eye on ebay. =20 Anyway, nice to meet you all. Good reading! -[=3D=3DSylvanArrow--- "Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those = who dream only by night." -Poe ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C204E8.3ED893E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Newbie here.  Just thought I'd say = hi.
 
I recently finished the Black Company = series. =20 Good stuff.  The first three books in particular are going to have = a spot=20 on my favorites-of-all-time list.  I'm not a huge fan (ok, not at = all) of=20 the epic-tolkein-based stuff that is so popular right now which = probably=20 explains part of why I enjoyed the books so much.  Hmm, or = maybe I=20 just liked Croaker =3D) 
 
I'm trying to find some of Cook's other = stuff but=20 that seems to be a chore and a half.  The Garratt(sp?) stories = sound like=20 something I would like but I hate to start a series with the last = book. =20 Are they stand-alone novels?  Would I be able to pick up the = recently=20 published one and enjoy it?  It seems that the first books in the = series=20 are out of print.  I guess, I'll keep an eye on ebay.  =
 
Anyway, nice to meet you all.  = Good=20 reading!
 
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"Those who = dream by day are=20 cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by=20 night."
    -Poe
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C204E8.3ED893E0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Silver Spike Date: 27 May 2002 13:39:50 -0300 A Turner wrote: > > SPOILERS: Silver Spike, Shadow Games, Dreams of Steel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, Silver Spike fits in better with the plots of Shadow Games > >and Dreams of Steel. Bleak Seasons was a departure from the "old" > >company to the "new" one which we see in the Glittering Stones books. > > > > Steve > > I agree about Shadow Games. There is imaginative use in Silver Spike of the > plot of Shadow Games and the journey south to Khatovar when Raven chases > Croaker, as well as wrapping up loose ends with the Brotherhood in the North > (Silent, Raven, Darling) - even if it is all pretty grim. There's a question I always ask when these two books are brought up - which did you read first? Personally I read Shadow Games then the Silver Spike - I'm not sure if they were published in that order but that was the order I found them. I know others who have read them in the other order. While the two books don't crossover, the mear fact that they don't is a bit of a spoiler. Anyone know which order the books will be in when collected into the hardcover? > But can you say > the same about Dreams of Steel? Everything in it seems to me to lay the At one point Shadow Games and Dreams of Steel were looked at as the first two books of a triology, with Glittering Stone being book three. Glitter Stone was (SEVEN YEARS LATER) transformed into its own series, but SG and DoS are definitely linked and intertwined. > ground for the later books of the South. Lady's involvement with Kina, the > appearance of the Stranglers, the birth of her daughter, the 'resurrection' > of Soulcatcher, Howler's reappearance and alliance with Longshadow, Mogaba's > encounter at the end with Croaker. The Brotherhood only plays a very > peripheral role in it - if I remember rightly the only Brother besides > Croaker to appear is Murgen, and then only briefly. > While the company spends most of the book trapped in a city (and out of sight) the concept of the Brotherhood dominates the book. Even while with Soulcatcher the fate of the company dominates Croaker's thoughts, and Lady spends her time rebuilding a company basically in memory of Croaker. Part of that sings out the idea of the Company. Something like: We are the company. While one of us still stands the company stands - and we will rebuild. And we will honor our contract as we rebuild. Just my views, Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Hello all. Date: 28 May 2002 03:45:17 +0100 (BST) --- Lindsay Buroker wrote: > >Newbie here. Just thought I'd say hi. > Welcome on board! Enjoy the ride. > I'm trying to find some of Cook's other stuff but > that seems to be a chore and a half. The > Garratt(sp?) stories sound like something I would > like but I hate to start a series with the last > book. Are they stand-alone novels? Would I be able > to pick up the recently published one and enjoy it? > It seems that the first books in the series are out > of print. I guess, I'll keep an eye on ebay. > While you are on Ebay, have a look for his first "Dread Empire" trilogy: A Shadow of All Night Falling, October's Baby and All Darkness Met. This is the series that actually got me hooked on Cook before Black Company came out and made me a true believer. And though it's slagged by some, I really like the stand-alone "Tower of Fear". Take care! ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) "Souls and a Silver Sword" (http://www.fragmentedinfinity.org/sword/SilverSword.htm) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Hello all. Date: 28 May 2002 00:05:59 -0500 Lindsay, The Garrett books are best read in order, I think (not too sure). But it's *very* hard to find any but the last two or so :( Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Hello all. Date: 28 May 2002 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT) > >Newbie here. Just thought I'd say hi. > Welcome! :) This isn't a particularly busy list so speak up if you have things to say. > >I'm trying to find some of Cook's other stuff but that seems to be a = >chore and a half. The Garratt(sp?) stories sound like something I would = >like but I hate to start a series with the last book. Are they = >stand-alone novels? Would I be able to pick up the recently published = >one and enjoy it? It seems that the first books in the series are out = >of print. I guess, I'll keep an eye on ebay. =20 > I'd definitely recommend reading the Garrett books in order. While each book has an independent plot the later ones depend heavily on the background established in the earlier ones. To read the latest ones first would be to come into the middle of a lot of issues that probably won't make much sense. Plus, personally I enjoyed the earlier books more. While you're scouring used book stores keep an eye out for the "Dread Empire" novels (starting with "A Shadow of All Night Falling"). I also enjoyed "Tower of Fear." Cook has also written some good science fiction, especially "The Dragon Never Sleeps" and "Passage at Arms." Good luck and let us know what you think of what you find. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #188 Date: 28 May 2002 19:51:23 -0400 I don't agree that the Garrett books are 'very hard to find'. Over the last 2+ years when I've been haunting used book stores in my area I've found several copies of each book except _Dread Brass Shadows_. In fact I found 3 copies of the first Garrett book within a 3-week span, two of them for 25 cents each. They weren't in great condition, but they made some Cook fans happy. You've just got to know where to look. Scott Klobas ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Horky, Roger" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #188 Date: 29 May 2002 08:42:55 -0500 A good place to look for Glen Cook (or any other book for that matter) is www.bookfinder.com, a coalition of new, used, and rare book dealers from most of the english-speaking world. I have managed to fill in all sorts of gaps in my various collections using this service. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:51 PM I don't agree that the Garrett books are 'very hard to find'. Over the last 2+ years when I've been haunting used book stores in my area I've found several copies of each book except _Dread Brass Shadows_. In fact I found 3 copies of the first Garrett book within a 3-week span, two of them for 25 cents each. They weren't in great condition, but they made some Cook fans happy. You've just got to know where to look. Scott Klobas ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan Rimes" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Lead Skies (spoilers) Date: 31 May 2002 09:33:46 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C20886.436C3500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've just finished this book as well. I was pretty disappointed as well = but would have to agree with Richard that Glen is setting the scene for = what could be a rousing finale. The final paragraph of the book mentions that Chodo's birthday is coming = up, that is where I believe the next book will be based. I do think that = the Garrett novels are getting a little tired which is a shame because I = really enjoyed a lot of the earlier ones. Alan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brooke A. Wheeler=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:46 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Lead Skies (spoilers) Comment below... robotchas@yahoo.com wrote: Scroll down...I just finished this. And, um...I love Glen Cook'swriting = dearly but this was awful. Possibly even worsethan Petty Pewter Gods, = which at least had a plot (asI recall). This just rambled all over the = place,resolving nothing, answering none of the questionsraised, and = dragged out a lot longer than it neededto... Huh? PPG is my second favorite in the series (after SSB) I laughed my = *ss off. This one was pretty funny too. Then again, I *like* a little = silliness now and again. I suppose everyone's tastes are different. --=20 "Travel the galaxy...meet fascinating life-forms...and kill them." --Schlock Mercenary (http://www.schlockmercenary.com/) = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To = unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C20886.436C3500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've just finished this book as well. I was pretty=20 disappointed as well but would have to agree with Richard that Glen is = setting=20 the scene for what could be a rousing finale.
 
The final paragraph of the book mentions that = Chodo's birthday=20 is coming up, that is where I believe the next book will be based. I do = think=20 that the Garrett novels are getting a little tired which is a shame = because I=20 really enjoyed a lot of the earlier ones.
 
Alan
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From:=20 Brooke A. Wheeler =
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Comment below...

robotchas@yahoo.com wrote:
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I just finished this. And, um...I love Glen =
Cook's
writing dearly but this was awful. Possibly even worse
than =
Petty Pewter Gods, which at least had a plot (as
I recall). This just =
rambled all over the place,
resolving nothing, answering none of the =
questions
raised, and dragged out a lot longer than it =
needed
to...
Huh?=20 PPG is my second favorite in the series (after SSB) I laughed my *ss = off. This=20 one was pretty funny too. Then again, I *like* a little silliness now = and=20 again. I suppose everyone's tastes are different.

--=20

"Travel the galaxy...meet fascinating life-forms...and kill = them."

--Schlock Mercenary (http://www.schlockmercenary.com= /)


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=20 To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit = . ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C20886.436C3500-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lindsay Buroker" Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #189 Date: 31 May 2002 22:41:50 -0700 >>I don't agree that the Garrett books are 'very hard to find'. Over the last 2+ years when I've been haunting used book stores in my area I've found several copies of each book except _Dread Brass Shadows_. In fact I found 3 copies of the first Garrett book within a 3-week span, two of them for 25 cents each. They weren't in great condition, but they made some Cook fans happy. You've just got to know where to look. Thanks for the suggestions (this and bookfinder.com). I haunted several used bookstores in the Seattle area and ended up having to buy most of the Black Company books new (which is fine, though I'd rather find them used hah. Poor student here)... unfortunately, I don't remember seeing much of his other stuff while I was looking either. I guess I will just check back frequently ;) ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .