From: welly_the_avatar@space.com Subject: (glencook-fans) List of Taken and Shadowmasters Date: 07 Aug 2002 21:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Hello folks. I'm new to this fan mailing list, and I'd like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten original Taken and what we know about their respective demises. I'll put page references whenever possible so the hardcore storyline fans who read this can either corroborate or disprove me. Please, you don't have to go easy on the new guy :) Because my list is essentially one enormous spoiler, I'll do what I've seen others do in the archives I have read, in case someone who is reading this hasn't read up to "Soldiers Live". NOTE: if you've read the nine BC books and The Silver Spike, this won't spoil anything. Spoilers below, pertaining to the deaths of the 10 original Taken, and the 4 or 8 Shadowmasters. spoiler space! spoiler space! Okay, to keep it simple I'll put the Taken's name and jump right into the specifics about his / her demise, if any. 1) Soulcatcher - Still alive as of "Soldiers Live". 2) The Howler - Was believed to be killed when he crashed into the Tower ("The Black Company" pgs 291-292), but survived that incident. Was confirmed killed by shadows and/or Taglians in "Soldiers Live" pg 430. [See also the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.] 3) The Limper - Survived too many incidents that I can bother to count, but was finally killed in "The Silver Spike" by being boiled, and having the remains buried in a place only godlike powers could apparently access. 4) Stormbringer - Thought to have been killed by Bonegnasher in the first novel on page 270. It was a ruse, however, and she survived to travel south to become Stormshadow, one of the Shadowmasters. Stormbringer was finally killed by Shapeshifter (who had traveled south to do exactly that) after he mauled her. She apparently was weakened by the Company Lance (when Murgen stabbed her before the mauling with Shifter) just like Howler was when Croaker stabbed Howler. I think the Lance's magical wounds disabled her and therefore helped Shifter finish her. In any case, she died atop the tower in the citadel of Dejagore in "Shadow Games". It was confirmed in "Dreams of Steel" that she and Shifter were killed there and their remains were dealt with properly. [See also the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.] 5) Shapeshifter - on page 263 in the first novel, the Captain delivers word that Shifter was lost, and that "The cirumstances were questionable...". However Shapeshifter actually survived, and sneaked south. He did this because he wanted to settle with Stormbringer (because she had a hand in killing the Hanged Man, a person that Shifter wanted to rescue, and also supposedly tried to murder Shifter himself, which you can find on page 286 in "Shadow Games"). His plan worked, and he either killed her or severely maimed her atop the citadel tower. Both of them were finished off because they were too weak to defend themselves. One-Eye sewed their orifices shut and dealt with their remains according to Lady's suggestions which she gave on page 290 in "Shadow Games". 6) The Hanged Man - On page 227 in the first novel, we see Harden fling his giant sword in the general direction of the four Taken who he had incapacitated temporarily. Next page we learn that the sword landed through the Hanged Man's skull. He was blubbering and dying, and although clearly Shapeshifter wanted to help him, Soulcatcher and Stormbringer did not. So, the Hanged Man was not helped and allowed to die. It is very, very likely that Stormbringer dealt with the Hanged Man's remains afterward. If not, it doesn't matter, since a sword through the brain is enough to kill even the greatest sorcerer. This was mentioned before, but I apologize since I cannot remember the exact reference. Sorcerers can be beheaded and survive, correct? But the brain's actual destruction is something no sorcerer can survive. That is why the Company had Shadowspinner's head as a trophy for awhile; it was stated that the brain was removed and destroyed and therefore posed no danger. I say all this just to reinforce that the Hanged Man is dead :) 7) Bonegnasher - In the first novel, on page 270, we're informed that this man was killed, most likely by Stormbringer, who was herself supposed to be killed then too. Although he is a giant man, I have no trouble believing that Stormbringer could kill him. Maybe she struck him with some lightning and other magics. She could, after all, physically battle Shapeshifter himself (in the forvalaka form, no less!) and give him a run for his money. And since Bonegnasher is never mentioned again, there is no reason to believe he wasn't killed. Besides, Otto and Hagop would have reported it, if they didn't find Bonegnasher's body after they exhumed the other Taken's bodies. 8) Nightcrawler - This character supposedly was lost to Rebel action on page 279, first novel. However! Otto and Hagop could not find his body (pg 292 "Bleak Seasons"). Which leads me to believe that Nightcrawler was not actually killed there, and was one of the 3 people that were killed according to Uncle Doj. See the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters for much more on that. 9) Moonbiter - Supposedly killed during internal feuds (on page 279 in the first novel), Moonbiter was lost the same day as the Faceless Man. Since we are told on that same page that Moonbiter and the Faceless Man were not killed by enemy action, it is logical that they skragged each other. [Which is why I personally believe that Moonbiter is the 3rd female Taken, since the Lady said some female Taken were planning to help the Circle because they were in service to the Dominator, and the Faceless is a "Man".] But, just like Nightcrawler, Otto and Hagop could not find her body (pg 292 "Bleak Seasons"). See the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters for much more on this. 10) The Faceless Man/Nameless One - Reportedly killed during internal feuds on page 279 in the first novel. Not lost to enemy action. See Moonbiter above for more. And, just like Moonbiter and Nightcrawler, Otto and Hagop could not find his body. [See also the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.] That's my list of the Taken and their demises. Please debate any details in my writing you feel you should. But I have some more before I leave. THE ****EIGHT**** SHADOWMASTERS. Uncle Doj says (Water Sleeps pg. 150) that Longshadow went with the Nyueng Bao pilgrims and their false key to the shadowgate. Once they got there, they encountered Shadowspinner under the name Ashutosh Yaksha "and a half-dozen other sorcerers waiting." So, that's 6 other people, plus Shadowspinner and Longshadow, which of course makes eight. He then says that "several were fugitives from [the north]". Well, look at the known list of the four Shadowmasters: 1) Longshadow (aka Maricha Manthara Dhumraksha) 2) Shadowspinner (aka Ashutosh Yaksha) 3) Moonshadow (we know little about this guy; but Soulcatcher saw him on the Lance and disposed of him and recognized that he was NOT a Taken) 4) Stormshadow (aka Stormbringer; Taken fugitive) Obviously, Moonshadow and Stormbringer/Stormshadow were 2 of the "half-dozen other sorcerers" that Doj mentioned. But what about the other 4? Well, Doj says that Howler was there, and was cruelly injured and fled. Which makes perfect sense, since he made a home with the swamp pirates after fleeing the shadowgate. 5) Howler (Taken fugitive) Now we're left with 3 other missing people. Since Otto and Hagop found no bodies for 3 certain Taken, it is logical that these three AWOL sorcerers are the missing trio. 6) Nightcrawler (Taken fugitive) 7) Moonbiter (Taken fugitive) 8) The Faceless Man (aka the Nameless One; Taken fugitive) There's my list of the original intended eight Shadowmasters. I've read the majority of the newer archives of these mailing lists and this topic wasn't covered afaik, so I figured I share what I know. Please tell me if you agree or not, and if you have some evidence to refute any of my stuff. -Welly ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) List of Taken and Shadowmasters Date: 08 Aug 2002 02:20:27 -0400 (EDT) > >Hello folks. I'm new to this fan mailing list, and I'd >like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten >original Taken and what we know about their respective >demises. I'll put page references whenever possible so >the hardcore storyline fans who read this can either >corroborate or disprove me. Please, you don't have to >go easy on the new guy :) > Welcome. Thanks for the excellent analysis! :-) I've often wondered what happened to the Taken who had disappeared under questionable circumstances. I haven't yet gone back to corroborate your data but it will be fun to refer to when I reread the series someday. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kalnicholson" Subject: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference Date: 01 Aug 2002 09:08:50 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2393B.0D7E2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent this once but I don't think it went thru. I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne movie. It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to make a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon in the regiment. John Wayne of course is a colonel leading the troops. After the main battle was over, Holden decides to stay with the injured troops, and as the men part, John Wayne says good bye and called him Croaker. It was something like, "Good luck, Croaker". I can't remember exactly what was said, the Croaker reference got my attention. I've been in the military and even in my everyday life: this is only the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a doctor. The Movie is called, The Horse Soldiers. Here's a little info about the movie via Barnes and Noble Books link. http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=27616861054 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2393B.0D7E2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Croaker Reference

I sent this once but I don't think it went thru…



I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne = movie.

 

It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to = make a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon = in the regiment.

John Wayne of course is a colonel leading the troops. After the = main battle was over, Holden decides to stay with the injured troops, = and as the men part, John Wayne says good bye and called him Croaker. It = was something like, “Good luck, Croaker”. I can’t = remember exactly what was said, the Croaker reference got my attention. =

I've been in the military and even in my everyday = life: this is only the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a = doctor.

 

The Movie is called, The Horse Soldiers.

Here’s a little info about the movie via Barnes and Noble = Books link.

 

http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=3D27616861054=





------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2393B.0D7E2620-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference Date: 08 Aug 2002 13:32:21 -0300 > Kalnicholson wrote: > > I sent this once but I don't think it went thru… > > I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne movie. > > > > It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to make > a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon in > the regiment. > > I've been in the military and even in my everyday life: this is only > the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a doctor. > I could be wrong here, but it's my impression that Croaker was a common nickname for medical officers during the US Civil War - something to do with the level of medical science being such that most injuried were taken to the doctor's tent to die. 1) It was before germ theory (let alone antibiotics) so infection was widespread and deadly. 2) The reputation of a surgeon was usually based on how fast he proform an amputation. 3) While the amputation was happening a lucky soldier was given a few drinks, while an unlucky one was stone cold sober as his arm or leg was sawed off. 4) Internal medicine was virtually unknown. 5) Blood tranfusions were rarely attempted, and since no one knew anything about blood types they were often fatal. The net result of all this was the doctors didn't have the skills to save most of the injuried that were brought to them and (in the view of the average soldier) their treatments were more likely to kill than to cure. Then the state of medical science improved. Surgeons actually started to wash their hands between surgeries, they could knock you out and give you replacement blood during an operation, X-rays came along, then antibiotics, MASHs started showing up on battlefields - and doctors stopped being called croakers. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Amy Weathers" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference Date: 08 Aug 2002 12:20:16 -0600 http://www.railroadextra.com/glossry1.Html "CROAKER-Company doctor" Ok, so I was very bored waiting for my Maid of Honor to show up to go shopping. I found several other references to croaker being a nick name for civil war era doctors. Its amazing what ya can find with google and 30 minutes of free time. Amy ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:32 AM > > Kalnicholson wrote: > > > > I sent this once but I don't think it went thru. > > > > I was channel surfing and caught a John Wayne movie. > > > > > > > > It was a movie about the US Calvary during the Civil War. Well to make > > a long story short, William Holden is the Medical Officer/Surgeon in > > the regiment. > > > > > I've been in the military and even in my everyday life: this is only > > the 2nd time I've heard this term used on a doctor. > > > > I could be wrong here, but it's my impression that Croaker was a common > nickname for medical officers during the US Civil War - something to do > with the level of medical science being such that most injuried were > taken to the doctor's tent to die. > 1) It was before germ theory (let alone antibiotics) so infection was > widespread and deadly. > 2) The reputation of a surgeon was usually based on how fast he proform > an amputation. > 3) While the amputation was happening a lucky soldier was given a few > drinks, while an unlucky one was stone cold sober as his arm or leg was > sawed off. > 4) Internal medicine was virtually unknown. > 5) Blood tranfusions were rarely attempted, and since no one knew > anything about blood types they were often fatal. > > The net result of all this was the doctors didn't have the skills to > save most of the injuried that were brought to them and (in the view of > the average soldier) their treatments were more likely to kill than to > cure. > > Then the state of medical science improved. Surgeons actually started > to wash their hands between surgeries, they could knock you out and give > you replacement blood during an operation, X-rays came along, then > antibiotics, MASHs started showing up on battlefields - and doctors > stopped being called croakers. > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Croaker Reference Date: 08 Aug 2002 16:08:39 -0300 Amy Weathers wrote: > > http://www.railroadextra.com/glossry1.Html > > "CROAKER-Company doctor" > Just a guess, but it sounds like railroad doctors were the bottom of the barrel if they were called croaker after the stopped being used on army doctors. > Ok, so I was very bored waiting for my Maid of Honor to show up to go > shopping. I found several other references to croaker being a nick name for > civil war era doctors. Its amazing what ya can find with google and 30 > minutes of free time. > Congratulations on the upcoming event. Hope it brings you true happyness. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Waligorski Subject: (glencook-fans) Looking for old Cook books. Date: 16 Aug 2002 14:03:09 -0500 While searching for some old books to fill in gaps in my collection I ran acoss the following website. Of course I had to run a search for Cook. There were hundreds of Cook books listed, and while most were the more common titles there were a fair number of the harder to find works. In general the prices appeard very resonable although there were a few ridiculous prices also. Anyways just thought I'd pass this information on. Mike http://www.crecybooks.com/ ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PDMohney@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Looking for old Cook books. Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:28:38 -0400 I couldn't find *anything* on the crecybooks.com site, but I did find a bunch on abebooks.com, which it links to... hasn't that site been mentioned here before? Prices are pretty high, too. Pete In a message dated Fri, 16 Aug 2002 2:03:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mwally@wi.rr.com writes: > While searching for some old books to fill in gaps in my collection I > ran acoss the following website. Of course I had to run a search for > Cook. There were hundreds of Cook books listed, and while most were the > more common titles there were a fair number of the harder to find works. > In general the prices appeard very resonable although there were a few > ridiculous prices also. Anyways just thought I'd pass > this information on. > > Mike > > http://www.crecybooks.com/ ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:01:00 -0500 My email appears to be glitched a bit. I see a reposting that says, among other things, "I'd like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten original Taken and what we know about their respective demises." but I never received the original of this--never saw the breakdown. Is it available? Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Allen Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Looking for old Cook books. Date: 17 Aug 2002 09:52:49 +1000 They just link through to ABE Books: http://www.abebooks.com/ This is _the_ place for finding rare books. Regards, Graham At 02:03 16/08/02 -0500, Mike Waligorski wrote: >While searching for some old books to fill in gaps in my collection I ran >acoss the following website. Of course I had to run a search for >Cook. There were hundreds of Cook books listed, and while most were the >more common titles there were a fair number of the harder to find works. >In general the prices appeard very resonable although there were a few >ridiculous prices also. Anyways just thought I'd pass this information on. > >Mike > >http://www.crecybooks.com/ > > > >======================================================================= >To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, >visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:16:08 -0600 on 8/16/02 5:01 PM, Steve Harris at harrissg@SLU.EDU wrote: > My email appears to be glitched a bit. > > I see a reposting that says, among other things, > > "I'd like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten original Taken > and what we know about their respective demises." > > but I never received the original of this--never saw the breakdown. Is > it available? My spam filter decided the message "uses words and phrases which indicate porn" and moved it to my trash folder. I only found it and the reply by accident. I don't know what was pornographic in it. Well other than the enclosed lost chapters from "The Swap Academy". I still don't understand their connection with the Taken. :) Maybe the same thing happened to others? I can put it up on the website as an early release of the August archive. It was a rather good posting. -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Re: Taken Date: 17 Aug 2002 03:46:17 -0400 (EDT) > >My spam filter decided the message "uses words and phrases which indicate >porn" and moved it to my trash folder. I only found it and the reply by >accident. > >I don't know what was pornographic in it. Well other than the enclosed lost >chapters from "The Swap Academy". I still don't understand their connection >with the Taken. :) > >Maybe the same thing happened to others? > >I can put it up on the website as an early release of the August archive. It >was a rather good posting. > Yes, put it on the website it was a nice analysis of the Taken. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: welly_the_avatar@space.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Taken & shadowmaster breakdown post Date: 17 Aug 2002 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) I figured I'd re-post this for Mr. Harris and any others who could not view it the first time I sent it. Did it really get rejected by email filters? I checked it out again, but probably read over the part which the filter didn't like. I never write things with obscene stuff, so naturally I was curious as to how the filters got offended. After you read something a million times you can't really tell the wood from the trees (or however that saying goes). I just copied and pasted: Hello folks. I'm new to this fan mailing list, and I'd like to start by showing you my breakdown of the Ten original Taken and what we know about their respective demises. I'll put page references whenever possible so the hardcore storyline fans who read this can either corroborate or disprove me. Please, you don't have to go easy on the new guy :) Because my list is essentially one enormous spoiler, I'll do what I've seen others do in the archives I have read, in case someone who is reading this hasn't read up to "Soldiers Live". NOTE: if you've read the nine BC books and The Silver Spike, this won't spoil anything. Spoilers below, pertaining to the deaths of the 10 original Taken, and the 4 or 8 Shadowmasters. spoiler space! spoiler space! Okay, to keep it simple I'll put the Taken's name and jump right into the specifics about his / her demise, if any. 1) Soulcatcher - Still alive as of "Soldiers Live". 2) The Howler - Was believed to be killed when he crashed into the Tower ("The Black Company" pgs 291-292), but survived that incident. Was confirmed killed by shadows and/or Taglians in "Soldiers Live" pg 430. [See also the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.] 3) The Limper - Survived too many incidents that I can bother to count, but was finally killed in "The Silver Spike" by being boiled, and having the remains buried in a place only godlike powers could apparently access. 4) Stormbringer - Thought to have been killed by Bonegnasher in the first novel on page 270. It was a ruse, however, and she survived to travel south to become Stormshadow, one of the Shadowmasters. Stormbringer was finally killed by Shapeshifter (who had traveled south to do exactly that) after he mauled her. She apparently was weakened by the Company Lance (when Murgen stabbed her before the mauling with Shifter) just like Howler was when Croaker stabbed Howler. I think the Lance's magical wounds disabled her and therefore helped Shifter finish her. In any case, she died atop the tower in the citadel of Dejagore in "Shadow Games". It was confirmed in "Dreams of Steel" that she and Shifter were killed there and their remains were dealt with properly. [See also the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.] 5) Shapeshifter - on page 263 in the first novel, the Captain delivers word that Shifter was lost, and that "The cirumstances were questionable...". However Shapeshifter actually survived, and sneaked south. He did this because he wanted to settle with Stormbringer (because she had a hand in killing the Hanged Man, a person that Shifter wanted to rescue, and also supposedly tried to murder Shifter himself, which you can find on page 286 in "Shadow Games"). His plan worked, and he either killed her or severely maimed her atop the citadel tower. Both of them were finished off because they were too weak to defend themselves. One-Eye sewed their orifices shut and dealt with their remains according to Lady's suggestions which she gave on page 290 in "Shadow Games". 6) The Hanged Man - On page 227 in the first novel, we see Harden fling his giant sword in the general direction of the four Taken who he had incapacitated temporarily. Next page we learn that the sword landed through the Hanged Man's skull. He was blubbering and dying, and although clearly Shapeshifter wanted to help him, Soulcatcher and Stormbringer did not. So, the Hanged Man was not helped and allowed to die. It is very, very likely that Stormbringer dealt with the Hanged Man's remains afterward. If not, it doesn't matter, since a sword through the brain is enough to kill even the greatest sorcerer. This was mentioned before, but I apologize since I cannot remember the exact reference. Sorcerers can be beheaded and survive, correct? But the brain's actual destruction is something no sorcerer can survive. That is why the Company had Shadowspinner's head as a trophy for awhile; it was stated that the brain was removed and destroyed and therefore posed no danger. I say all this just to reinforce that the Hanged Man is dead :) 7) Bonegnasher - In the first novel, on page 270, we're informed that this man was killed, most likely by Stormbringer, who was herself supposed to be killed then too. Although he is a giant man, I have no trouble believing that Stormbringer could kill him. Maybe she struck him with some lightning and other magics. She could, after all, physically battle Shapeshifter himself (in the forvalaka form, no less!) and give him a run for his money. And since Bonegnasher is never mentioned again, there is no reason to believe he wasn't killed. Besides, Otto and Hagop would have reported it, if they didn't find Bonegnasher's body after they exhumed the other Taken's bodies. 8) Nightcrawler - This character supposedly was lost to Rebel action on page 279, first novel. However! Otto and Hagop could not find his body (pg 292 "Bleak Seasons"). Which leads me to believe that Nightcrawler was not actually killed there, and was one of the 3 people that were killed according to Uncle Doj. See the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters for much more on that. 9) Moonbiter - Supposedly killed during internal feuds (on page 279 in the first novel), Moonbiter was lost the same day as the Faceless Man. Since we are told on that same page that Moonbiter and the Faceless Man were not killed by enemy action, it is logical that they skragged each other. [Which is why I personally believe that Moonbiter is the 3rd female Taken, since the Lady said some female Taken were planning to help the Circle because they were in service to the Dominator, and the Faceless is a "Man".] But, just like Nightcrawler, Otto and Hagop could not find her body (pg 292 "Bleak Seasons"). See the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters for much more on this. 10) The Faceless Man/Nameless One - Reportedly killed during internal feuds on page 279 in the first novel. Not lost to enemy action. See Moonbiter above for more. And, just like Moonbiter and Nightcrawler, Otto and Hagop could not find his body. [See also the note below on the EIGHT Shadowmasters.] That's my list of the Taken and their demises. Please debate any details in my writing you feel you should. But I have some more before I leave. THE ****EIGHT**** SHADOWMASTERS. Uncle Doj says (Water Sleeps pg. 150) that Longshadow went with the Nyueng Bao pilgrims and their false key to the shadowgate. Once they got there, they encountered Shadowspinner under the name Ashutosh Yaksha "and a half-dozen other sorcerers waiting." So, that's 6 other people, plus Shadowspinner and Longshadow, which of course makes eight. He then says that "several were fugitives from [the north]". Well, look at the known list of the four Shadowmasters: 1) Longshadow (aka Maricha Manthara Dhumraksha) 2) Shadowspinner (aka Ashutosh Yaksha) 3) Moonshadow (we know little about this guy; but Soulcatcher saw him on the Lance and disposed of him and recognized that he was NOT a Taken) 4) Stormshadow (aka Stormbringer; Taken fugitive) Obviously, Moonshadow and Stormbringer/Stormshadow were 2 of the "half-dozen other sorcerers" that Doj mentioned. But what about the other 4? Well, Doj says that Howler was there, and was cruelly injured and fled. Which makes perfect sense, since he made a home with the swamp pirates after fleeing the shadowgate. 5) Howler (Taken fugitive) Now we're left with 3 other missing people. Since Otto and Hagop found no bodies for 3 certain Taken, it is logical that these three AWOL sorcerers are the missing trio. 6) Nightcrawler (Taken fugitive) 7) Moonbiter (Taken fugitive) 8) The Faceless Man (aka the Nameless One; Taken fugitive) There's my list of the original intended eight Shadowmasters. I've read the majority of the newer archives of these mailing lists and this topic wasn't covered afaik, so I figured I share what I know. Please tell me if you agree or not, and if you have some evidence to refute any of my stuff. -Welly PS: Mr. Herrmann I thank you for posting this to your page. I might have to use a different email address soon, so the current one might have to be changed (in case anyone who reads my post on your page wants to ask me about it, this addy won't work). When I grab a new one would you kindly change it in the credits? Thanks Welly ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wellyrook@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Taken; email filters Date: 19 Aug 2002 14:59:23 EDT I finally figured out why some of the email filters were set off by my analysis: I used the word you get when you combine the word hard and the word core (I'm not typing it outright again since it will only set off flags once more in those filters). I used it as an adjective to describe fellow Black Company storyline fans who would want to examine my breakdown and find errors. Of course you can't blame email filters since they cannot examine the actual context of a word's usage (afaik, anyway). I found a few minor issues in my original post, here they are for the heck of it: 1. When I noted that Harden tossed his sword "in the general direction of the four Taken who he had incapacitated temporarily" it should have been "three Taken". He had used some kind of spell which froze Catcher, Bringer, and the Hanged Man. The fourth Taken on the scene, Shifter, wasn't frozen. I forgot that detail while looking it over for errors. 2. I spelled "circumstances" wrong when I quoted the Captain. 3. I forgot to emphasize that Uncle Doj said 3 would-be Shadowmasters were killed before Longshadow closed the shadowgate with the power of his name. And that those three were logically the last three on my list of the eight Shadowmasters. I probably missed other errors; if you find them please let us know. I'd hate to be spreading misinformation, however minor it is :) Also, this is my new email addy. Alas, the space.com email service is going down pretty soon. -Welly ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: filters Date: 19 Aug 2002 15:32:29 -0500 Eric, Welly, Porn filters may have been triggered by this: "I'll put page references whenever possible so the hardcore storyline fans who read this can either ^^^^^^^^ corroborate or disprove me." *sigh* Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Taken; email filters Date: 19 Aug 2002 21:56:05 -0400 (EDT) > >I finally figured out why some of the email filters were set off by my >analysis: I used the word you get when you combine the word hard and the word >core (I'm not typing it outright again since it will only set off flags once >more in those filters). > While we're off topic, if you're looking to use a better spam filter and you read email on Unix then check out Spam Assassin at http://www.spamassassin.org/. I use it in conjunction with procmail and it works very well. I've reduced my spam from 35+ messages per day to less than 1. It rates each mail message based on a whole bunch of criteria and only if the message is above a certain threshold does it mark it as spam. Things like the above mentioned word would not by itself mark it as spam. I shunt the mail marked as spam to a junk folder and occasionally check it. I did have to put in some procmail rules to make sure that I get all of my mailing lists since some of them have advertising but since I've done that it hasn't had a single false positive. Spam Assassin for Unix is free and there is a non-free Windows version for Outlook 2000/XP with a 14-day free trial made by another company: http://www.deersoft.com/sp_pro.html I haven't tried that one though. If you need help setting it up just send me email. Steve schew@interzone.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: (glencook-fans) Baen books Date: 22 Aug 2002 04:32:58 -0400 (EDT) I was looking through the bibliography and then decided to just email the list. Have any of Cook's books been released by Baen (or one of their imprints)? I'm wondering because Baen Books has that "free library" of online books which seems to be helping Eric Flint's and some other author's sales. (see http://www.baen.com/library/) I was thinking that if any of Cook's books were by Baen then we could encourage him to put them online in the free library section. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David George" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Baen books Date: 22 Aug 2002 05:49:33 -0500 At least one of the Dread Empire books was a Baen book. Most were not, however. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Steve Chew Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:33 AM I was looking through the bibliography and then decided to just email the list. Have any of Cook's books been released by Baen (or one of their imprints)? I'm wondering because Baen Books has that "free library" of online books which seems to be helping Eric Flint's and some other author's sales. (see http://www.baen.com/library/) I was thinking that if any of Cook's books were by Baen then we could encourage him to put them online in the free library section. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Baen books Date: 23 Aug 2002 15:18:50 +0100 (BST) I'm not at home, so I can't check my books, but I'm pretty sure the last couple of Dread Empire books (maybe the last three? IIRC Fire in His Hands, With Mercy Towards None and Reap the East Wind) were from BAEN. I could be wrong. I'll check when I get home. --- David George wrote: > At least one of the Dread Empire books was a Baen > book. Most were not, > however. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Chew > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:33 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (glencook-fans) Baen books > > > I was looking through the bibliography and then > decided to just > email the list. Have any of Cook's books been > released by Baen (or one > of their imprints)? I'm wondering because Baen > Books has that "free > library" of online books which seems to be helping > Eric Flint's and > some other author's sales. (see > http://www.baen.com/library/) > I was thinking that if any of Cook's books were by > Baen then > we could encourage him to put them online in the > free library section. > > Steve > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit > . > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Koshel Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Baen books Date: 23 Aug 2002 08:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Only with Mercy Towards None but I assume most people on this list already know that. Mike --- Fraser Ronald wrote: > I'm not at home, so I can't check my books, but I'm > pretty sure the last couple of Dread Empire books > (maybe the last three? IIRC Fire in His Hands, With > Mercy Towards None and Reap the East Wind) were from > BAEN. I could be wrong. I'll check when I get home. > > > > --- David George wrote: > > At > least one of the Dread Empire books was a Baen > > book. Most were not, > > however. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] On > > Behalf Of Steve Chew > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:33 AM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: (glencook-fans) Baen books > > > > > > I was looking through the bibliography and then > > decided to just > > email the list. Have any of Cook's books been > > released by Baen (or one > > of their imprints)? I'm wondering because Baen > > Books has that "free > > library" of online books which seems to be helping > > Eric Flint's and > > some other author's sales. (see > > http://www.baen.com/library/) > > I was thinking that if any of Cook's books were > by > > Baen then > > we could encourage him to put them online in the > > free library section. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > > of this list, > > visit > > > . > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > > of this list, > > visit > . > > > ===== > Fraser Ronald > "Sword's Edge" > (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) > AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive > (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 23 Aug 2002 10:56:00 -0600 Anyone going to WorldCon in San Jose next week? Glen isn't listed as part of the programming, but his is exhibiting. -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brooke Wheeler Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 23 Aug 2002 10:04:35 -0700 I'm planning on being there... Eric Herrmann wrote: >Anyone going to WorldCon in San Jose next week? > >Glen isn't listed as part of the programming, >but his is exhibiting. > > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 26 Aug 2002 09:49:21 -0600 on 8/23/02 11:04 AM, Brooke Wheeler at BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net wrote: > I'm planning on being there... Would you be willing to take questions from the list to Glen? -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Baen books Date: 26 Aug 2002 18:06:00 +0100 (BST) Because they got home and checked the books? Yes, I was able to do that. Penguin Putnam publishes Berkley, which was the imprint for the first Dread Empire trilogy, but they don't have anything like the Baen free library. Too bad, really. I guess this may lead us to once again dream of a time when all of Mr. Cook's works are available on Print on Demand or in an e-book format. --- Mike Koshel wrote: > Only with Mercy Towards None but I assume most > people > on this list already know that. > > Mike > > --- Fraser Ronald wrote: > > I'm not at home, so I can't check my books, but > I'm > > pretty sure the last couple of Dread Empire books > > (maybe the last three? IIRC Fire in His Hands, > With > > Mercy Towards None and Reap the East Wind) were > from > > BAEN. I could be wrong. I'll check when I get > home. > > > > > > > > --- David George wrote: > > > > At > > least one of the Dread Empire books was a Baen > > > book. Most were not, > > > however. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] > On > > > Behalf Of Steve Chew > > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:33 AM > > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: (glencook-fans) Baen books > > > > > > > > > I was looking through the bibliography and then > > > decided to just > > > email the list. Have any of Cook's books been > > > released by Baen (or one > > > of their imprints)? I'm wondering because Baen > > > Books has that "free > > > library" of online books which seems to be > helping > > > Eric Flint's and > > > some other author's sales. (see > > > http://www.baen.com/library/) > > > I was thinking that if any of Cook's books were > > by > > > Baen then > > > we could encourage him to put them online in the > > > free library section. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the > archives > > > of this list, > > > visit > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the > archives > > > of this list, > > > visit > > > . > > > > > > ===== > > Fraser Ronald > > "Sword's Edge" > > (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) > > AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive > > (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > > of this list, > > visit > . > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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In response to a question about TorCon 2003, he mentioned that he'd like to attend, but had health concerns. Makes me worry. --- Eric Herrmann wrote: > Anyone going to WorldCon in San Jose next week? > > Glen isn't listed as part of the programming, > but his is exhibiting. > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ===== Fraser Ronald "Sword's Edge" (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction/swords_edge/) AtFantasy Alliance Fiction Archive (http://www.atfantasy.com/fiction) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 26 Aug 2002 11:25:11 -0600 on 8/26/02 11:08 AM, Fraser Ronald at stelm7@yahoo.com wrote: > I've heard that Mr. Cook isn't feeling very well. In > response to a question about TorCon 2003, he mentioned > that he'd like to attend, but had health concerns. He missed the Con in Poland earlier this year due to illness. -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brooke Wheeler Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 26 Aug 2002 11:03:19 -0700 If you guys want me to take some questions, I suppose I could ask him if he would answer some of them for you. Maybe keep it to five or so, as I don't want to seem like I'm pestering the guy. :-)

Eric Herrmann wrote:
on 8/23/02 11:04 AM, Brooke Wheeler at BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net wrote:

  
I'm planning on being there...
    

Would you be willing to take questions from the list to Glen?

======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 26 Aug 2002 14:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Could you please ask him just exactly about that - how much people are pestering him ? It seems that he is quite unapproachable to an average reader - at least to one who can't afford to go to WorldCon and such... Thank you, Igor On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Brooke Wheeler wrote: > If you guys want me to take some questions, I suppose I could ask him if > he would answer some of them for you. Maybe keep it to five or so, as I > don't want to seem like I'm pestering the guy. :-) > > Eric Herrmann wrote: > > on 8/23/02 11:04 AM, Brooke Wheeler at BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net wrote: > > > > I'm planning on being there... > > > Would you be willing to take questions from the list to Glen? > > > > > ======================================================================= To > unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A Turner" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 27 Aug 2002 10:14:49 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_6ed5_7181_49f7 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Brooke Wheeler >Reply-To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com >To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:03:19 -0700 > This is a strictly BC question, and may be too involved for what you said you'd like to ask Glen, particularly if you want to keep it brief, so I won't be too fussed if you leave it out. But… In 'She is the Darkness' Croaker at one stage criticizes Murgen for his writing style - says he is too involved with Sari and his own concerns, rather than giving the big picture. I happen to think that 'She is the Darkness' is one of the best books in the series precisely because of the style - I was most impressed by the way he was able to move backwards and forwards, and in the way he manages the description of the one night when Shadowgate is opened and Soulcatcher makes her takeover bid. But was Glen dissatisfied himself with the style of the book when he wrote this, and did he turn to a new narrator in Water Sleeps and back to the old style of interweaving chapters partly because of this, or just because that's where the narrative took him? Hope that makes sense. Thanks Andrew Turner _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_6ed5_7181_49f7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from mc1-f28.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.35]) by mc1-s13.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:11:43 -0700 Received: from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by mc1-f28.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:03:54 -0700 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 17jOD1-00059j-00 for glencook-fans-goout@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:03:27 -0600 Received: from [64.12.136.8] (helo=imo-m05.mx.aol.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 17jOCy-00059Z-00 for glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:03:24 -0600 Received: from BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id f.5e.404eea6 (16216) for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.net (c-24-127-188-198.we.client2.attbi.com [24.127.188.198]) by air-in01.mx.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILININ14-0826140320; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3D6A6D67.7080706@netscape.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020618 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, zh, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sender: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Return-Path: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2002 18:03:54.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0D56FC0:01C24D2A] If you guys want me to take some questions, I suppose I could ask him if he would answer some of them for you. Maybe keep it to five or so, as I don't want to seem like I'm pestering the guy. :-)

Eric Herrmann wrote:
on 8/23/02 11:04 AM, Brooke Wheeler at BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net wrote:

  
I'm planning on being there...
    

Would you be willing to take questions from the list to Glen?

======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------=_NextPart_000_6ed5_7181_49f7-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brooke Wheeler Subject: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 27 Aug 2002 13:04:13 -0700 I'm leaving tomorrow, so if anyone else has questions you want to submit, do it before then. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 27 Aug 2002 16:48:29 -0500 Brooke, I'd sure like to know how he's coming with publication of his police procedural. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim and Alison Stalley" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 27 Aug 2002 16:51:31 -0500 Can you ask him how many of his books have come out in proofs? And which ones? -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Brooke Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:04 PM I'm leaving tomorrow, so if anyone else has questions you want to submit, do it before then. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Koshel Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 27 Aug 2002 15:00:30 -0700 (PDT) One question even though it's probably redundant. 1. Does Glen have any new plans for the unpublished Dread Empire book? (I think everyone on the list would like to see something happen to this one.) On a side note to the list, another favourite author of mine, Richard Knaak has actually commenced writing a bunch of short stories continuing his DragonRealm saga based on presale through the internet. He used Paypal to collect the cash. He says the stories will be available exclusively online. Here's the link if anyone is interested. http://www.sff.net/people/knaak/ I think this is pretty cool and I would like to see Glen maybe consider something like this for the Dread Empire book and any other stuff that may not have been published. It's too bad Glen's so anti-computer. Mike --- Brooke Wheeler wrote: > I'm leaving tomorrow, so if anyone else has > questions you want to > submit, do it before then. > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lawrence Jenab" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 27 Aug 2002 18:06:07 -0500 Ditto. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:48 PM > Brooke, > > I'd sure like to know how he's coming with publication of his police procedural. > > Steve > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 28 Aug 2002 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Did you get my question about Glen's attitude towards his fans ? Igor On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Brooke Wheeler wrote: > I'm leaving tomorrow, so if anyone else has questions you want to > submit, do it before then. > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 28 Aug 2002 17:53:37 -0400 (EDT) > >I'm leaving tomorrow, so if anyone else has questions you want to >submit, do it before then. > I'd like to know how he feels about online publishing and whether he's seen the Baen Books Free Library. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) WorldCon Date: 28 Aug 2002 20:31:02 -0300 > > > > > >> I'm planning on being there... > >> > >> > > Would you be willing to take questions from the list to Glen? > > > > Here's a question - alas, not a pleasent one: How are you feeling? If he's had to cancel events due to his health the questions about new BC or Dread Empire books may become moot. Richard (who was eagerly awaiting the third set of 5 Amber books) ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Glen Cook @ WorldCon Date: 28 Aug 2002 21:48:40 -0700 Yes. That'll be one of the ones I ask... Igor Filippov wrote: >Did you get my question about Glen's attitude towards his fans ? > >Igor > > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" Subject: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 28 Aug 2002 22:26:03 -0700 OK. I have the 5 questions. To anyone I missed, sorry. 1) How is the crime novel coming (or was that a detective novel)? 2) How do you feel about online publishing and ebooks. I know some authors are enthusiastic about this and others not so much. What are your opinions on this subject. (Related: Have you heard about Baen's "Free Library" program and if so what do you think about it?) 3) What's upcoming? 4) Does Glen have any new plans for the unpublished Dread Empire book? (I think everyone on the list would like to see something happen to this one.) On a side note to the list, another favorite author of mine, Richard Knaak has actually commenced writing a bunch of short stories continuing his DragonRealm saga based on pre-sale through the internet. He used Paypal to collect the cash. He says the stories will be available exclusively online. 5) How's your health these days? Some of the list members had heard that you had been ill and wanted to know if you're doing OK. I'll ask Glen if he's willing to answer some or all of these questions. Also, some of you submitted others offlist, and if he doesn't have a problem with a few additional questions, I'll pass those along too. Regards, B. Wheeler ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 29 Aug 2002 02:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Cool, thanks Brooke! I'm looking forward to his responses. Steve > >OK. I have the 5 questions. To anyone I missed, sorry. > >1) How is the crime novel coming (or was that a detective novel)? > > >2) How do you feel about online publishing and ebooks. I know some >authors are enthusiastic about this and others not so much. What are >your opinions on this subject. (Related: Have you heard about Baen's >"Free Library" program and if so what do you think about it?) >printed out a copy of Eric Flint's intro in case he's interested> > >3) What's upcoming? > > >4) Does Glen have any new plans for the unpublished Dread Empire book? >(I think everyone on the list would >like to see something happen to this one.) On a side note to the list, >another favorite author of mine, Richard Knaak has actually commenced >writing a bunch of short stories continuing his DragonRealm saga based >on pre-sale through the internet. He used Paypal to collect the cash. He >says the stories will be available exclusively online. > >5) How's your health these days? Some of the list members had heard that >you had been ill and wanted to know if you're doing OK. > >I'll ask Glen if he's willing to answer some or all of these questions. >Also, some of you submitted others offlist, and if he doesn't have a >problem with a few additional questions, I'll pass those along too. > > >Regards, >B. Wheeler > > > > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > -- Steve Chew - schew@interzone.com - http://www.interzone.com "Bother" said Pooh. "Eeyore, load two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room two." ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim and Alison Stalley" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 29 Aug 2002 07:01:42 -0500 Actually I collect his advance uncorrected proofs so I am looking more to find out which books have been published like that to narrow my search Thanks -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Brooke A. Wheeler Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:26 AM OK. I have the 5 questions. To anyone I missed, sorry. 1) How is the crime novel coming (or was that a detective novel)? 2) How do you feel about online publishing and ebooks. I know some authors are enthusiastic about this and others not so much. What are your opinions on this subject. (Related: Have you heard about Baen's "Free Library" program and if so what do you think about it?) 3) What's upcoming? 4) Does Glen have any new plans for the unpublished Dread Empire book? (I think everyone on the list would like to see something happen to this one.) On a side note to the list, another favorite author of mine, Richard Knaak has actually commenced writing a bunch of short stories continuing his DragonRealm saga based on pre-sale through the internet. He used Paypal to collect the cash. He says the stories will be available exclusively online. 5) How's your health these days? Some of the list members had heard that you had been ill and wanted to know if you're doing OK. I'll ask Glen if he's willing to answer some or all of these questions. Also, some of you submitted others offlist, and if he doesn't have a problem with a few additional questions, I'll pass those along too. Regards, B. Wheeler ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Bricker Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 29 Aug 2002 07:59:57 -0500 As a professional writer I can tell you (1) is a bad idea. No writer likes to hear this question posed. Ever. ;) You might rephrase so the question doesn't ask about progress. David > OK. I have the 5 questions. To anyone I missed, sorry. > > 1) How is the crime novel coming (or was that a detective novel)? > > > 2) How do you feel about online publishing and ebooks. I know some > authors are enthusiastic about this and others not so much. What are > your opinions on this subject. (Related: Have you heard about Baen's > "Free Library" program and if so what do you think about it?) > printed out a copy of Eric Flint's intro in case he's interested> > > 3) What's upcoming? > > > 4) Does Glen have any new plans for the unpublished Dread Empire book? > (I think everyone on the list would > like to see something happen to this one.) On a side note to the list, > another favorite author of mine, Richard Knaak has actually commenced > writing a bunch of short stories continuing his DragonRealm saga based > on pre-sale through the internet. He used Paypal to collect the cash. He > says the stories will be available exclusively online. > > 5) How's your health these days? Some of the list members had heard that > you had been ill and wanted to know if you're doing OK. > > I'll ask Glen if he's willing to answer some or all of these questions. > Also, some of you submitted others offlist, and if he doesn't have a > problem with a few additional questions, I'll pass those along too. > > > Regards, > B. Wheeler > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 29 Aug 2002 06:51:20 -0700 OK, I'll try to find out for you... Tim and Alison Stalley wrote: >Actually I collect his advance uncorrected proofs so I am looking more to >find out which books have been published like that to narrow my search > > >Thanks > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Brooke A. >Wheeler >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:26 AM >To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions > > >OK. I have the 5 questions. To anyone I missed, sorry. > >1) How is the crime novel coming (or was that a detective novel)? > > >2) How do you feel about online publishing and ebooks. I know some >authors are enthusiastic about this and others not so much. What are >your opinions on this subject. (Related: Have you heard about Baen's >"Free Library" program and if so what do you think about it?) >printed out a copy of Eric Flint's intro in case he's interested> > >3) What's upcoming? > > >4) Does Glen have any new plans for the unpublished Dread Empire book? >(I think everyone on the list would >like to see something happen to this one.) On a side note to the list, >another favorite author of mine, Richard Knaak has actually commenced >writing a bunch of short stories continuing his DragonRealm saga based >on pre-sale through the internet. He used Paypal to collect the cash. He >says the stories will be available exclusively online. > >5) How's your health these days? Some of the list members had heard that >you had been ill and wanted to know if you're doing OK. > >I'll ask Glen if he's willing to answer some or all of these questions. >Also, some of you submitted others offlist, and if he doesn't have a >problem with a few additional questions, I'll pass those along too. > > >Regards, >B. Wheeler > > > > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 29 Aug 2002 06:52:26 -0700 OK, thanks for the tip... David Bricker wrote: >As a professional writer I can tell you (1) is a bad idea. No writer likes >to hear this question posed. Ever. ;) > >You might rephrase so the question doesn't ask about progress. > >David > > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) 5 Questions Date: 29 Aug 2002 08:22:24 -0600 on 8/29/02 7:52 AM, Brooke A. Wheeler at BrookeAWheeler@netscape.net wrote: > OK, thanks for the tip... > > David Bricker wrote: > >> As a professional writer I can tell you (1) is a bad idea. No writer likes >> to hear this question posed. Ever. ;) >> >> You might rephrase so the question doesn't ask about progress. Actually, I believe the book was finished quite some time ago 5/01. The question is when and by whom is it going to be published. -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kalnicholson" Subject: (glencook-fans) Alias? Date: 24 Aug 2002 17:46:16 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C24B96.25F1DAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was visiting this UK site which shows a bibliography of Glen's work. There's a photo of Glen and underneath, the caption of course says Glen Cook, then underneath that an aka...is Glen Cook his real name or is it his alias? 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C24B96.25F1DAE0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe G Kushner" Subject: (glencook-fans) Atlas of Black Company? Date: 30 Aug 2002 09:55:47 -0500 So has anyone tried to convince Glen Cook that his fans need an Atlas of the Black Company's travels? Perhaps a mock up of one of the Annals? ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Atlas of Black Company? Date: 30 Aug 2002 14:30:52 -0300 Joe G Kushner wrote: > > So has anyone tried to convince Glen Cook that his fans need an Atlas of > the Black Company's travels? Perhaps a mock up of one of the Annals? > I don't think an Atlas would fit with his writing style. From past Q/As asked at cons and posted here Cook seems to be the type of author who makes it up as he needs as opposed to mapping out the world before beginning to write - at least with the Black Company. He's explained some inconsistencies in the books by having narrators say distances were estimates and [if memory serves] that 3 different systems of messuring distances were used - all roughly translated into one system. That type of style doesn't lend itself well to concrete maps or any kind of atlas. But that's just my opinion - if Cook can make one I'd buy it. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Alias? Date: 30 Aug 2002 14:38:40 -0300 > I was visiting this UK site which shows a bibliography of Glen's work. > > There's a photo of Glen and underneath, the caption of course says Glen > Cook, then underneath that an aka...is Glen Cook his real name or is > it his alias? > > > > I won’t post site’s link: I’m not sure if it’s untrue or if it is > true, something (real name) that he wanted private. I found that site, and near the end of the bibliography is the entry: The Swap Academy (1970) (writing as [the aka name]) The Swap Academy was Cook's first book - one he wrote mainly to see if he could write. It's a porn novel, one he used a pen name for. While doesn't brag about that book neither does he deny he wrote it. Based on the site I'd say his name is Glen Cook (or that's the name he always writes under) and he used a pen name (the a.k.a.) on one book. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trinixx of Westmarch" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Atlas of Black Company? Date: 30 Aug 2002 14:31:38 -0400 Richard Chilton wrote: >But that's just my opinion - if Cook can make one I'd buy it. Hello all, I've lurked for a while and rarely contributed, so I figure this time around I can. :) We all know of the maps available on the website. While I was reading through the books I had my art program open, and updated the southern map/added a bunch of notes (read: credits to the original authors; all of my modifications/additions are in bold). Perhaps this map would be of some use to some. Hoep the original authors will excuse my impudence: http://www.geocities.com/trinixxofwestmarch/Atlas-BlackCompany.html Just MHO. Take it easy all... -- Trinixx of Westmarch, Barrister Extraordinaire of D&D Federal Regulations "Yuan Zang was squatting on his heels, and so waited the approach of the Master, who said to him: 'In youth not humble as befits a junior; in manhood, doing nothing worthy of being handed down; and living on to old age -- this is to be a pest.' With this he hit him on the shank with his staff." _Analects_ XIV.16. The Hellfire Campaign Rules Interpretation Archive http://travel.to/TheHellfireCampaign Celebrating five years+ private legal practice! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Atlas of Black Company? Date: 30 Aug 2002 14:51:28 -0400 (EDT) > >I've lurked for a while and rarely contributed, so I figure this time >around I can. :) > >We all know of the maps available on the website. While I was reading >through the books I had my art program open, and updated the southern >map/added a bunch of notes (read: credits to the original authors; all >of my modifications/additions are in bold). > >Perhaps this map would be of some use to some. Hoep the original >authors will excuse my impudence: > >http://www.geocities.com/trinixxofwestmarch/Atlas-BlackCompany.html > > Nice additions Trinixx. They help flesh out the map. Steve -- Steve Chew - schew@interzone.com - http://www.interzone.com "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .