From: "J Morrigan" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Soulcatcher's name Date: 01 Mar 2004 06:59:36 +0000 I'll have to go back to check this, but I'm not sure I agree with that logic completely. I'm re-reading Soldier's Live right now, and I came across a passage about Soulcatcher, something to the effect of "The Dominator took her and all her sisters, made one his wife and the other his lover..." I think someone on this mailing list quoted that pretty recently, but I deleted the message and I can't find the passage right now. Anyways, unless I misread that, I got the feeling that everyone was Taken, even Lady. This might not be correct, but I don't think you have to know their True Name to Take them (though I'm sure it would help). One example I can think of specifically was in SL, where Goblin strangles Narayan and runs off, and Lady and Croaker are worried that Soulcatcher would catch him and do a sort of Taking on him. I'm pretty sure Soulcatcher would not know Goblin's True Name. Also, Longshadow did a "poor man's Taking" on Smoke, and I don't think he knew Smoke's True Name (not too sure on this one, though). I was also thinking...Lady + 3 Taken...4 Senjak sisters (just because Lady killed one didn't mean they can't come back to life...look at Soulcatcher) ... Stormbringer and Soulcatcher conspiring together when the Hanged Man died trying to take down Harden. Not much evidence to support it though, and now that I think about it, Lady taking down Stormbringer at Dejagore didn't sound like someone taking down her own sister. Anyways, just some random thoughts. _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John F. Sachse" Subject: (glencook-fans) Greetings Date: 06 Mar 2004 16:34:32 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C40398.E792B3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's been quite a while since I was a member of this list. Judging from the lack of recent archives on the site I'm wondering if there is anyone left! So I'm just shooting this out to find out if there is anyone else out there! ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C40398.E792B3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s been quite a while since I was a member of = this list.  Judging from the lack of recent archives on the site = I’m wondering if there is anyone left!  So I’m just shooting this out to = find out if there is anyone else out there!

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C40398.E792B3C0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lawrence Jenab" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Greetings Date: 06 Mar 2004 18:36:01 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C403A9.DFAE3970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, we're here. I think things tend to be quiet when Glen is quiet, = which he has been since the last Garrett novel. I, for one,=20 (minor evaluative spoiler follows) [spoiler space] didn't like that book much (at all, actually) and am waiting eagerly for = Glen's new (reputedly 1100 page) crime novel. Cheers, and welcome back, LJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John F. Sachse=20 To: glencook-fans@xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: (glencook-fans) Greetings It's been quite a while since I was a member of this list. Judging = from the lack of recent archives on the site I'm wondering if there is = anyone left! So I'm just shooting this out to find out if there is = anyone else out there! ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C403A9.DFAE3970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, we're here.  I think things tend to be = quiet when=20 Glen is quiet, which he has been since the last Garrett novel.  I, = for one,=20
 
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didn't like that book much (at all, actually) and am = waiting=20 eagerly for Glen's new (reputedly 1100 page) crime novel.
 
Cheers, and welcome back,
LJ
 
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It=92s been quite a = while since I=20 was a member of this list.  Judging from the lack of recent = archives on=20 the site I=92m wondering if there is anyone left!  So I=92m just = shooting=20 this out to find out if there is anyone else out=20 there!

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So I m just shooting this out to find out if there is anyone else >out there! ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Koshel Subject: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! Date: 06 Mar 2004 21:20:41 -0800 (PST) Finally got "Sung In Blood" in auction on ebay for only $30 on Monday. That completes my Glen Cook hdbk/pbk collection; just a couple of more short stories left now. Anyone got any extras of the really hard to find short stories? Mike Koshel ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Greetings Date: 06 Mar 2004 21:54:33 -0400 We're still here. The last two topics discused were: 1) The Black Company is going to be a RPG (http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=11545&mode=thread&order=0 has the details) 2) Who was who among the Senjak sisters? (I think it was: Lady = Dorotea Soulcatcher = Credence with the other two being dead before the books started). Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: (glencook-fans) Spotted another Cook reference... Date: 07 Mar 2004 23:25:52 -0400 Normally I enjoy finding Glen Cook's name in out of the way places - it shows that others are reading. This time, well... It all started because a friend wanted to pick up some of the older Garrett books and wanted to shop around. After hitting a few of the normal sites I started putting the books' information (copied from one of the sci-fi sites) into google and paging through the results. Things were going as expected until I searched on: Cook, Glen, SWEET SILVER BLUES, Signet, 1987 There on page 4 of the google results (the order may have changed since I search) was: Spanking Bibliography - An Annotated Bibliography of Spanking ... ... (p). Cook, Glen, SWEET SILVER BLUES, Signet, 1987. p. 34 A woman pays a man to beat up our hero. He can't talk him out of it, but ... www.cfpub.com/indexstories/bibliography.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages Like a moth drawn to a flame I hit the website, where I found: Cook, Glen, SWEET SILVER BLUES, Signet, 1987. p. 34 A woman pays a man to beat up our hero. He can't talk him out of it, but he does hire him to spank her in the Bazaar, over his knee, on the bare backside. p. 224 Our hero spanks her himself. (p) I'm assuming the (p) stands for paperback... The next entry ends with (h). Weird... I mean I wouldn't be surprised to see _The Swap Academy_ referred to on a 'now I have to clear my cache and zero my history' website, but Sweet Silver Blues? Chuckle. I can't help wondering if many people have seen that list then been disappointed with the book. Who knows - maybe it's given him a few more fans, and book sales (even to disappoint readers) never hurt. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott havner Subject: (glencook-fans) recently heard about 2 new dread empire sequals Date: 08 Mar 2004 07:29:04 -0800 (PST) I did a search on yahoo and found a blurb about 2 new Dread Empire novels(release date not yet released). Just thought you'd like to know. Any news on when Buthcher's Apprentice is due out? We need to get more people reading Glen's books so he can quit his day job and devote all his time to entertaining us! Does that sound selfish? Oh, well. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Koshel Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) recently heard about 2 new dread empire sequals Date: 08 Mar 2004 07:46:10 -0800 (PST) Do you have a link to the Dread Empire info? I would like to see it for myself. Mike --- scott havner wrote: > I did a search on yahoo and found a blurb about 2 > new > Dread Empire novels(release date not yet released). > Just thought you'd like to know. Any news on when > Buthcher's Apprentice is due out? We need to get > more > people reading Glen's books so he can quit his day > job > and devote all his time to entertaining us! Does > that > sound selfish? Oh, well. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ryan.dragon@comcast.net Subject: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 15:50:01 +0000 I've recently read all of the Black Company Series for the first time. Let me first say that I really enjoyed these books. I have a few questions that I'm hoping someone can answer for me..... 1. What exactly happened at the end? Croaker and Shivetya (sp) changed bodies. Is everything after that an assumption? Meaning, when "the new" croaker dies, what happens to the croaker in Shivetya? I get the impression he is also able to bring Lady's powers back to what they were, is this correct? 2. I've read alot of complaints that Cook built these characters up, then you come across them in Soldiers Live, and they are dead. I understand Croaker can't see all, it's all in first person perspective. So whatever he sees, gets put in the annals. If this is true, then why do we get any story at the end of Soldiers Live with Mogaba. There were no black company members around him, or crows at times, and we still knew what he was doing? Does this make sense? 3. Was it ever told what ever happened to Sahra? Did I miss something? Was just missing, and assumed dead? I should go back and reread the last 100 pages of Soldiers Live. I flew through it, knowing I had a new series to start. Thanks Ryan > I did a search on yahoo and found a blurb about 2 new > Dread Empire novels(release date not yet released). > Just thought you'd like to know. Any news on when > Buthcher's Apprentice is due out? We need to get more > people reading Glen's books so he can quit his day job > and devote all his time to entertaining us! Does that > sound selfish? Oh, well. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Ainsworth Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 11:42:48 -0600 At 03:50 PM 3/8/2004 +0000, ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: >I've recently read all of the Black Company Series for the first >time. Let me first say that I really enjoyed these books. I have a few >questions that I'm hoping someone can answer for me..... Welcome to the family. :) >1. What exactly happened at the end? Croaker and Shivetya (sp) changed >bodies. Is everything after that an assumption? Meaning, when "the new" >croaker dies, what happens to the croaker in Shivetya? I get the >impression he is also able to bring Lady's powers back to what they were, >is this correct? There's some indeterminacy, as usual--whenever anyone in one of Cook's novels is certain about something, you need to be suspicious. The idea, however, is that Shivetya was made immortal, and wanted to die; an immortal Croaker will be able to act as the Living Chronicle--he can remember everyone. So presumably, Croaker as Shivetya is immortal, or practically so. And yes, Croaker is able to provide Lady with power, although the question as to whether she's back to full strength is left open. >2. I've read alot of complaints that Cook built these characters up, then >you come across them in Soldiers Live, and they are dead. I understand >Croaker can't see all, it's all in first person perspective. So whatever >he sees, gets put in the annals. If this is true, then why do we get any >story at the end of Soldiers Live with Mogaba. There were no black >company members around him, or crows at times, and we still knew what he >was doing? Does this make sense? Cook often shows us fragments from other characters' perspectives. In the early books, he tries to make it clear that Croaker heard these stories later and wrote/embellished them into his own account. By the time we get to the Books of the South he's no longer bothering with that conceit, and we sit in on meetings of Shadowmasters which are unlikely to have been reported to the Keeper of the Annals, even before the whole "floating vision" thing starts. As for the complaints, I find Cook's approach more true to life. Old friends we've been out of touch with eventually may pass on, silently and invisibly from our perspective, and when we hear about their passing it's in the same dry, quiet way. In a book (and a series) which is deeply concerned with remembering the dead, I think it's an important device for Cook to use. >3. Was it ever told what ever happened to Sahra? Did I miss >something? Was just missing, and assumed dead? IIRC, that's slightly ambiguous, as at one point she's thought to be dead but not, while at another point she may actually be dead. So she's probably a ghost/spirit, but I'm not sure that's 100% determinable based on the available evidence. Anyone have a better memory? David ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) recently heard about 2 new dread empire sequals Date: 08 Mar 2004 12:00:35 -0600 Scott, I believe Glen quit his day-job several years ago. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ryan.dragon@comcast.net Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 18:30:46 +0000 Thank you for the quick reply and for answering my questions. I was looking at the Garrett novels, and they really don't interest me story-wise. Anyone have a different opinion on this? Black Co vs Garrett/Darkwar/Dread Empire Series? I haven't looked into Darkwar or the Dread Empire Series at all. Anyone think these are as good / better than the Black Company novels. I've been told to try Stephen Erickson for a War-Fantasy series. Thanks again > At 03:50 PM 3/8/2004 +0000, ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: > >I've recently read all of the Black Company Series for the first > >time. Let me first say that I really enjoyed these books. I have a few > >questions that I'm hoping someone can answer for me..... > > Welcome to the family. :) > > >1. What exactly happened at the end? Croaker and Shivetya (sp) changed > >bodies. Is everything after that an assumption? Meaning, when "the new" > >croaker dies, what happens to the croaker in Shivetya? I get the > >impression he is also able to bring Lady's powers back to what they were, > >is this correct? > > There's some indeterminacy, as usual--whenever anyone in one of Cook's > novels is certain about something, you need to be suspicious. The idea, > however, is that Shivetya was made immortal, and wanted to die; an immortal > Croaker will be able to act as the Living Chronicle--he can remember > everyone. So presumably, Croaker as Shivetya is immortal, or practically so. > > And yes, Croaker is able to provide Lady with power, although the question > as to whether she's back to full strength is left open. > > >2. I've read alot of complaints that Cook built these characters up, then > >you come across them in Soldiers Live, and they are dead. I understand > >Croaker can't see all, it's all in first person perspective. So whatever > >he sees, gets put in the annals. If this is true, then why do we get any > >story at the end of Soldiers Live with Mogaba. There were no black > >company members around him, or crows at times, and we still knew what he > >was doing? Does this make sense? > > Cook often shows us fragments from other characters' perspectives. In the > early books, he tries to make it clear that Croaker heard these stories > later and wrote/embellished them into his own account. By the time we get > to the Books of the South he's no longer bothering with that conceit, and > we sit in on meetings of Shadowmasters which are unlikely to have been > reported to the Keeper of the Annals, even before the whole "floating > vision" thing starts. > > As for the complaints, I find Cook's approach more true to life. Old > friends we've been out of touch with eventually may pass on, silently and > invisibly from our perspective, and when we hear about their passing it's > in the same dry, quiet way. In a book (and a series) which is deeply > concerned with remembering the dead, I think it's an important device for > Cook to use. > > >3. Was it ever told what ever happened to Sahra? Did I miss > >something? Was just missing, and assumed dead? > > IIRC, that's slightly ambiguous, as at one point she's thought to be dead > but not, while at another point she may actually be dead. So she's > probably a ghost/spirit, but I'm not sure that's 100% determinable based on > the available evidence. Anyone have a better memory? > > David > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Waligorski Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 13:28:32 -0600 If you liked the Black company definately go for the Dread Empire series. Darwar you'll either like or really not like. It was not one of my favorites. Mike ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: >Thank you for the quick reply and for answering my questions. > >I was looking at the Garrett novels, and they really don't interest me story-wise. Anyone have a different opinion on this? Black Co vs Garrett/Darkwar/Dread Empire Series? > >I haven't looked into Darkwar or the Dread Empire Series at all. Anyone think these are as good / better than the Black Company novels. > >I've been told to try Stephen Erickson for a War-Fantasy series. > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list (Spoilers for Soldiers) Date: 08 Mar 2004 18:16:45 -0400 ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: > > I've recently read all of the Black Company Series for the first time. > Let me first say that I really enjoyed these books. I have a few > questions that I'm hoping someone can answer for me..... > We can try - but odds are you'll get multiple answers to some of the questions. It happens when things are left gray. > 1. What exactly happened at the end? Croaker and Shivetya (sp) > changed bodies. Is everything after that an assumption? Meaning, > when "the new" croaker dies, what happens to the croaker in Shivetya? > I get the impression he is also able to bring Lady's powers back to > what they were, is this correct? > My take? The consciousness (soul / life force / whatever you call it) of Croaker switched with Shivetya. Shivetya is now in a mortal body while Croaker is in an immortal body. The mortal body (the one Croaker used to have) will die at sometime in the future and Shivetya will pass on. The immortal body won't die and Croaker will be able to be a historian for the rest of eternity. Kind of like what one Anne Rice's Vampire's planned to. Since Croaker is in Shivetya's body he has access to every power that the godlike Shivetya had while Shivetya has access to Croaker's powers of ... um... dying - that's it! (Which is what Shivetya wanted.) With his new powers Croaker is feeding energy to Lady the way the goddess was. Because of this Lady might once again become The Lady of Charm again. > 2. I've read alot of complaints that Cook built these characters up, > then you come across them in Soldiers Live, and they are dead. I > understand Croaker can't see all, it's all in first person > perspective. So whatever he sees, gets put in the annals. If this > is true, then why do we get any story at the end of Soldiers Live > with Mogaba. There were no black company members around him, or > crows at times, and we still knew what he was doing? Does this > make sense? > Love it or hate it (and I love), one of the things about the Black Company is character death. Not 'the spear bearer died heroically in battle' but "Hey - that looked like a main character and he's dead in a meaningless way - WTF????" deaths. One of my favorite characters from the first book was Mercy - who didn't live out the first chapter. Then there's Old Man Fish - he survives the Silver Spike, dealing with taken want-to-bes, the Limber, the remains of the Company, the big battle at the end, and dies from cholera. Or the new Taken - dead and powerless because The Lady was named. Cook builds up the characters then takes them down - and I like it. As for the lack of first person witnesses - I see Soldiers Live as partnership. Part was written by Croaker as he saw it and part was written by Croaker "swimming all around in the ocean of history" - i.e. with Shivetya's powers. Shivetya can tell what Soulcatcher thinks (because he's as far above her in power as the Dominator was above Goblin) and Croaker records it. > 3. Was it ever told what ever happened to Sahra? Did I miss something? > Was just missing, and assumed dead? > She went missing in battle - presumed dead. She's currently haunting (and possibly killing) her son. > I should go back and reread the last 100 pages of Soldiers Live. > I flew through it, knowing I had a new series to start. > You might want to. There's a lot of things that get covered in a sentence or two and never referred to again - so if you skimmed passed that sentence you missed it. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) recently heard about 2 new dread empire sequals Date: 08 Mar 2004 18:20:34 -0400 Steve Harris wrote: > > Scott, > > I believe Glen quit his day-job several years ago. > I believe it was 'retired from' rather than quit. The reason he kept working was, as someone who wasn't a bestseller, he couldn't afford to live off his writting... Well, he might have been able to scrap by but not with a family. Now he's retired (not sure if it's early retirement or not) and has a pension to cover anything his writting doesn't. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 18:26:23 -0400 ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: > > Thank you for the quick reply and for answering my questions. > > I was looking at the Garrett novels, and they really don't interest me > story-wise. Anyone have a different opinion on this? Black Co vs > Garrett/Darkwar/Dread Empire Series? Everyone's tastes are different. The Black Company is Dark. Garrett is light. Dread Empire - Dark. Darkwar - haven't had time to read yet. > > I haven't looked into Darkwar or the Dread Empire Series at all. > Anyone think these are as good / better than the Black Company > novels. > Dread Empire is as good or better than the Black Company. In that world there wasn't a Dominator, just a series of Taken class wizards. Some are independent, others (most) work for the Empire (whose soldiers take around 10 years to train). The prequel books are from the point of view of one of the people who's an enemy in the main books. The sequels switch view points a bit. From a Black Company take some of it would be like the first novel from the Circle of 18 point's of view. Tis good - or at least I thought so. Hard to find. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "S Townsend" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 17:05:40 -0600 Hm. My favorites, in order (roughly). Hey, I have strange tastes maybe. Black Company (especially the first three) The Dragon Never Sleeps The SwordBearer The Dread Empire (mostly the middle three, then the first 2 prequels) The last two are fine, but frustrating (there's no final novel yet) The Tower of Fear Garrets Passage At Arms Darkwar Starfishers Other misc stuff. Haven't read Sung in Blood so can't comment on that one. By all means read The Dragon Never Sleeps and The Tower of Fear. Those are some of the finest stand alone novels in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Chilton Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:26 PM ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: > > Thank you for the quick reply and for answering my questions. > > I was looking at the Garrett novels, and they really don't interest me > story-wise. Anyone have a different opinion on this? Black Co vs > Garrett/Darkwar/Dread Empire Series? Everyone's tastes are different. The Black Company is Dark. Garrett is light. Dread Empire - Dark. Darkwar - haven't had time to read yet. > > I haven't looked into Darkwar or the Dread Empire Series at all. > Anyone think these are as good / better than the Black Company novels. > Dread Empire is as good or better than the Black Company. In that world there wasn't a Dominator, just a series of Taken class wizards. Some are independent, others (most) work for the Empire (whose soldiers take around 10 years to train). The prequel books are from the point of view of one of the people who's an enemy in the main books. The sequels switch view points a bit. From a Black Company take some of it would be like the first novel from the Circle of 18 point's of view. Tis good - or at least I thought so. Hard to find. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Harris Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 17:23:41 -0600 I'd like to really recommend Glen's post-apocalypse novel, "The Heirs of Babylon". It's very different from any of his fantasy or far-future SF stuff; very brooding, very introspective of the main character, not a lot of action, but excellently done. It takes place mainly on a rusting hulk of a WWII-era destroyer, loving preserved through a couple centuries of technology melt-down, and the feel of 20th century naval life is so palpable, you can smell the salt breeze. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BaronetCorvu@cs.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 18:56:26 EST --part1_b7.3d77f130.2d7e622a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2004 4:26:06 PM Central Standard Time, rchilton@auracom.com writes: > The Black Company is Dark. Garrett is light. Dread Empire - Dark. > Darkwar - haven't had time to read yet. > Darkwar is dark, very dark. Makes Black Company seem light and fluffy by comparison. Some hate Darkwar, some love them. I love them. --part1_b7.3d77f130.2d7e622a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/8/2004 4:26:06= PM Central Standard Time, rchilton@auracom.com writes:
The Black Company is Dark. = ; Garrett is light.  Dread Empire - Dark.
Darkwar - haven't had time to read yet.



Darkwar is dark, very dark. Makes Black Company seem light and fluffy by com= parison. Some hate Darkwar, some love them. I love them.

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I don't know if I just lost interest in some of the characters or story, maybe I read too much at one time (read all of the novels in a row), or maybe his writing style just changed over the years of writing the series. In the Glittering Stone, I kinda just wanted the series to end. I didn't care much for Goblin / One Eye, Sleepy I hated in SL, Murgen dissappeared as a character after he was a narrator, etc.. Have you seen any change in quality of his writing? I may be alone with the view I have of the Black Co, but am interested to see what you all say about his other works. Anyone view his stories back then (other than the Black Co) as better stories rather than ones that were released more recently. Hope that makes sense. Thanks again for your responses. Ryan ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 5:05 PM > Hm. My favorites, in order (roughly). Hey, I have strange tastes maybe. > > Black Company (especially the first three) > The Dragon Never Sleeps > The SwordBearer > The Dread Empire (mostly the middle three, then the first 2 prequels) The > last two are fine, but frustrating (there's no final novel yet) > The Tower of Fear > Garrets > Passage At Arms > Darkwar > Starfishers > > Other misc stuff. Haven't read Sung in Blood so can't comment on that one. > By all means read The Dragon Never Sleeps and The Tower of Fear. Those are > some of the finest stand alone novels in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Richard Chilton > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:26 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list > > > > ryan.dragon@comcast.net wrote: > > > > Thank you for the quick reply and for answering my questions. > > > > I was looking at the Garrett novels, and they really don't interest me > > story-wise. Anyone have a different opinion on this? Black Co vs > > Garrett/Darkwar/Dread Empire Series? > > Everyone's tastes are different. > > The Black Company is Dark. Garrett is light. Dread Empire - Dark. > Darkwar - haven't had time to read yet. > > > > > I haven't looked into Darkwar or the Dread Empire Series at all. > > Anyone think these are as good / better than the Black Company novels. > > > > Dread Empire is as good or better than the Black Company. > In that world there wasn't a Dominator, just a series of Taken class > wizards. Some are independent, others (most) work for the Empire (whose > soldiers take around 10 years to train). > > The prequel books are from the point of view of one of the people who's an > enemy in the main books. The sequels switch view points a bit. From a > Black Company take some of it would be like the first novel from the Circle > of 18 point's of view. > > Tis good - or at least I thought so. Hard to find. > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit > . > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Corell" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 22:52:41 -0500 Well, doesn't seem like alot of Garrett fans here.. ;) Personally, I find each Garrett novel to be different. Some are upbeat/light-hearted, some depressing. Some I love, some just never really caught my interest. I'd have to say that the first one, "Sweet Silver Blues", is my favorite. Byzantine plot, and a VERY interesting take on some of the staples of fantasy/horror fiction. I love Cook's unicorns... damn. My second favorite is "Faded Steel Heat", so I definitely see merit in both the old and new books in the series. The basic draw of Cook's writing is the fact that he brings realism to fantastic literature. Characters die, fail, do the wrong thing, have weaknesses. Paranoia and doubledealing is rampant, but at it's heart the characters aren't amoral. Most often they know what the moral/ethical behavior is, but they do what's in their own self interest, and very often feel remorse for this fact. As stated before in this list, the scifi book club has compiliations of 6 of the early Garrett novels. If you don't mind the junk mail you'll surely receive, check them out. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Ainsworth Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 22:51:19 -0600 I love Garrett, but then, I also love Nero Wolfe. Not entirely a coincidence... though Garrett introduced me to Wolfe and not vice versa. The early ones are well worth a read. I'd skip the last three unless you enjoy the series, as they really aren't so self-contained and involve as yet uncompleted plot-lines. David At 10:52 PM 3/8/2004 -0500, Jay Corell wrote: >Well, doesn't seem like alot of Garrett fans here.. ;) > >Personally, I find each Garrett novel to be different. Some are >upbeat/light-hearted, some depressing. Some I love, some just never >really caught my interest. > >I'd have to say that the first one, "Sweet Silver Blues", is my favorite. >Byzantine plot, and a VERY interesting take on some of the staples of >fantasy/horror fiction. I love Cook's unicorns... damn. My second favorite >is "Faded Steel Heat", so I definitely see merit in both the old and new >books in the series. > >The basic draw of Cook's writing is the fact that he brings realism to >fantastic literature. Characters die, fail, do the wrong thing, have >weaknesses. Paranoia and doubledealing is rampant, but at it's heart the >characters aren't amoral. Most often they know what the moral/ethical >behavior is, but they do what's in their own self interest, and very often >feel remorse for this fact. > >As stated before in this list, the scifi book club has compiliations of 6 of >the early Garrett novels. If you don't mind the junk mail you'll surely >receive, check them out. > > > > >======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Melander" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 08 Mar 2004 21:57:59 -0700 I gotta give my thumbs up to this one also. its short, almost a novella, a very fast read as well. its an earlier work of his, and you can see concepts used or mentioned here that get more significant work in some of his later stuff (read as Black Company) >I'd like to really recommend Glen's post-apocalypse novel, "The Heirs of >Babylon". It's very different from any of his fantasy or far-future SF >stuff; very brooding, very introspective of the main character, not a lot >of action, but excellently done. It takes place mainly on a rusting hulk >of a WWII-era destroyer, loving preserved through a couple centuries of >technology melt-down, and the feel of 20th century naval life is so >palpable, you can smell the salt breeze. > >Steve > > >======================================================================= >To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, >visit . _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list (some spoilers for the BC) Date: 09 Mar 2004 01:20:54 -0400 Ryan Dragon wrote: > > Thanks guys. I will definitely give his other books a shot. I just started > the First Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. If I like this series, I'll finish > it and give one of Glen's other series a try. That's a good series. I enjoyed it - the Unbeliever was much more plausible than the average "modren person shifted to a fantasy setting" character. > I'm not sure on publication dates of the other books (other than black > company), but am wondering if you people have the same opinion I do. I http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Home.html is a great page to check on publication dates. Click on bibliography and you can sort it chronologically. > thought the first 3 books of the Black Co. were superior to those that came > later. I don't know if I just lost interest in some of the characters or The first three books seemed to have been tied tighter together. The central chacter of those books never really makes it to the other books. No, I'm not talking about Elmo - I'm talking about the company itself. People come and go, characters drift in and out of the story, but the company endures. After the third book fragments of the company survive, but the body's gone. The Silver Spike - I enjoyed the tying up of loose ends. I loved the decision that Darling had to make in regards to Raven. Silent's last action - priceless. More than speaking it revealed the love he had for Darling - significant when you remember that Croaker said in the first book: "I walk through our barracks and wonder how a giggling, inquisitive toddler could have become a Three Fingers, a Jolly, or a Silent." The two books of the South: The main character slowly, man by man, in ones and pairs (and in a big lump with the Nar) came back together. Having Lady write some of Dreams of Steel was interesting - it gave an bit of insight into her way of thinking. I loved the end of that book - until years went by without the sequel. The Glittering Stone... Glen Cook switched to a wordprocessor somewhere around this time and the books got thicker without the stories getting meatier. Maybe it was changing points of view, but I had a few problems with this series. Thinking about it, it was problems with the main character... The Company was often out of the scene. Old focal points (characters associated with it) were killed off without new characters finding a way into our hearts... In the first three books the company was a merc group - one working for themselves in book 3, but they were mercs. In the books of the south they were a ragtag group that slowly became a group commanding an army as it slowly rediscovered its roots. In the Glittering Stone it started as the commanding core of an army... then became the support elements (camp followers and so on) with - what? Three (Sleepy, Goblin, One-Eye) members of the company tweaking Soulcatcher's nose. Then once more it was the commanding core of an army (which had little loyality to it). Again, maybe it was just the different voices in the Glittering Stone, but the voice changed in the Dread Empire and I enjoyed them all. That said Cook remains one of my few "Buy the Hardcover when it comes out without reading the blurb in case it gives something away" authors. Others have risen and fallen off that list, but Cook is a constant. > story, maybe I read too much at one time (read all of the novels in a row), > or maybe his writing style just changed over the years of writing the > series. In the Glittering Stone, I kinda just wanted the series to end. I > didn't care much for Goblin / One Eye, Sleepy I hated in SL, Murgen > dissappeared as a character after he was a narrator, etc.. > I read them as they came out - the first of the Glittering Stone was LONG awaited and an interesting retelling of some of Dreams of Steel, and there was that gap after each one. > Have you seen any change in quality of his writing? I may be alone with > the view I have of the Black Co, but am interested to see what you all say > about his other works. Anyone view his stories back then (other than the > Black Co) as better stories rather than ones that were released more > recently. Hope that makes sense. > I think some of it has to do with how tight the series is. The first three books - they seemed to have been planned in one long outline. The books of the south - if book three had come out those books would have been better. You can feel the series building, building, then nothing. The Glittering Stone - it started as the rough draft of the final book of a trilogy and grew to four long books. I'm not sure how tightly it was planned, but the shifting narrator seemed to deflate the series a bit, as well as the gaps of years between books. It worked for the books of the North, but the books of the South didn't have those gaps and that changes the pace of the books. The time gaps in the North seemed to fit better. Some years between winning the final battle of book 1 to getting tired of putting out bushfires in book 2 to having survived and carved out a base in book 3 worked. In the Glittering Stones the gaps didn't fit as well. As for Cook's writting abilities - the fact he found Croaker's voice for Water Sleeps shows the other three Glittering Stone books were written the way he intended them to be. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Acuff" Subject: (glencook-fans) Black Co comments, Dread Empire - POTENTIAL SPOILERS Date: 09 Mar 2004 00:23:46 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4056C.CD57D9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Potential Black Company and Dread Empire Spoilers follow .... ... ... ... ... ... Richard, loved your comments about the entire BC series (especially about the central character -- the company -- not making it to the other books). I have to say I really enjoyed the first three + Silver Spike, all four are probably in my top twenty fave books ever, but then didn't really enjoy the rest of the books nearly as much ... Bleak Seasons being the worst, and Soldier's Live being probably my favorite out of all since Silver Spike ... and that is exactly why: no more company ... the group of them, Croaker/Raven/Silent/Goblin/One-Eye/Otto/Hagop/The Lieutenant/The Captain/etc., etc. ... it was just so dang enjoyable to be part of that group and follow along with them in their many travails and exciting times ... even when they were split up a little, they always came back together ... sure it's more realistic and earthy and original and all of that to have people actually die in fantasy fiction rather than have them go on and on and on, but WE HAD plenty of that in the early books (Mercy, Tom-Tom, The Captain, Marron Shed lol) -- difference being it didn't (until the end of The White Rose and the entirety of The Silver Spike) completely gut the core of almost all of the characters you loved ... and I missed that camaraderie so dang much in the later books, to the point where all the other books suffered (you kept reading and kept hoping that some of the old sparks would ignite somewhere but they rarely did). I liked Silver Spike but only because of loose ends being tied up and because of the characters ... the Fish/Smeds/Tully group vs. the Darling/Silent/Raven group ... I HATED it when Raven and Silent bought it, however, especially Silent ... also, Croaker became a jerk, IMO, and I really didn't like him nearly as much as I had (until, of course, Soldier's Live, when he narrated again and I realized that he was still the same guy I'd liked lo those many years ago, had he been the narrator I'd probably never disliked him ) ... that may be one of my main beefs right there: when Glen used Croaker as a narrator, I personally enjoyed the story a LOT more ... when someone else did it (I.e., Lady), it was interesting, but the story just wasn't the same ... I'm wrapping up the last (2nd sequel) of the Dread Empire series right now. And I like it ... but dang, it was hard liking the first three ... can't put my finger on why, maybe I'll understand better during the inevitable re-read ... the prequels got a little better, IMO (I'm reading them in publication order) ... but this last one, Reap the East Wind, is the first one where I've actually begun to really, really care about several of the characters, esp Bragi (rather than, as in the earlier books, just one or two, that one or two being Mocker and Ragnarson) ... now Micheal and Dantice and Pertraxis (sp?) and Mist and the wizard (can't spell his name starts w/ a V lol) and Nepanthe and Ethrian, etc., etc. ... these chars are in my heart in a big way now ... and NOW the series is going to abruptly STOP because Glen hasn't finished it yet ... oh, what a shame ... I understand why, but please, Glen, find some way to finish this series. And why'd Glen have to go and kill Mocker? And in such a goofy, ignoble way, too (being tricked and all -- the fact that Bragi did it was kind of ironic and interesting, but Mocker being fooled into being there in the first place was disappointing, because by then you'd begun to think of Mocker as immortal luck incarnate) ... I know it was part of the plot and all, but, oh, man ... that bugged me so much ... about as much as Raven (when he REALLY died) and Silent and Goblin ... but, that's the way Glen does things (I like what somebody said: "was a main character just killed in a meaningless way? WTF?"), so I guess we have to live with it ... but Mocker, man, now THAT was a character I really enjoyed following and was very sad to see his story end (of course, then the prequels allowed you to see how he GOT to where he was in the main trilogy, which was nice) ... his way of speaking, in particular, made him one of the most interesting characters I think Glen has ever created ... Um, if you've read all of this, and you've read all of the Dread Empire series, you may see that I'm almost done with Reap the East Wind and realize I'm heading for a big disappointment very soon (by now I really wouldn't be surprised if Glen kills everybody at the end -- only reason I think he won't is because it seems everyone on this list would love to see a sequel and doesn't SOMEONE have to survive for that to happen? lol) ... well, we'll see here very shortly and then I can comment on that ... thanks for reading ... ... ... ... ... ... ... END BC and Dread Empire Spoilers ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4056C.CD57D9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C405D8.F7503480-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 09 Mar 2004 20:45:45 +0000 (GMT) --- Steve Harris wrote: > I'd like to really recommend Glen's post-apocalypse > novel, "The Heirs of > Babylon". I second that recommendation. Excellent book. Really great and fast read. While I love each and every one of the BC books (no exceptions) I am not much of a series fan and I was thrilled when I finally found this standalone Cook novel. Also, I only have the third of the original Dread Empire series, but I later bought "With Mercy Toward None" (prequel) "An Ill Fate Marshalling" (sequel) and "Reap the East Wind" (sequal). Great, great books. Great series. That Dread Empire novel ("All Darkness Met") was my first Glen Cook novel, and I was hooked. And you _must_ read "Tower of Fear". Well, maybe not _must_. I have spoken with people who didn't care for it, but I loved it! ===== Fraser Ronald Sword's Edge Writer: Blood & Guts: In Her Majesty's Service Check out "Gifts of the Elder Gods" included in the Parasitorium: Terrors Within ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John F. Sachse" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) New to list (some spoilers for the BC) Date: 10 Mar 2004 10:18:25 -0600 Very glad that the list is still kicking esp. with some familiar names. As far as Covenant goes, I'm in line with Richard in that it was well beyond the run of the mill, especially during the time frame in which it was written. Of course years later when I finally got more involved in the SF/Fantasy community I was shocked at how vehement some people's hatred towards the series is. But for me it was the series that opened me up to much more fantasy (other than Tolkien I had pretty much stuck to SF) Some great comments on the Company as a character. As for Glens other work, Starfishers is quite enjoyable. Darkwar, while strange as hell probably affected me in a psychological manner more than any other series. For some reason it really changed the way my thought processes work. Passage at Arms is quite good. Dread Empire I read so long ago that I don't remember much of it, and I still have to find a copy of A Shadow Of All Night Falling to give it another read. The Swordbearer, while readable is IMHO Glen's weakest piece. The Dragon Never Sleeps is just hands down one of, if not the, best single book I've had the pleasure of turning pages with. The fact that it just screams for a sequel and he's managed to leave it alone magnifies it even more for me. When I fist saw it on the Internet Top 100 SF/Fantasy list I was happily surprised that others seem to feel the same way I do about it. [BC Spoiler space] I do agree that the first Trilogy + SS are tighter and better pieces of work, but I really do enjoy the rest of the series tremendously as well. When Murgen's view appeared in the manner that it did, I was confused as hell. I thought that perhaps I missed something somewhere. I asked myself if I could possibly have missed a publication. When it came back around I was even more impressed with the writing. Glen also did a tremendous job when Singh stole Croaker and Lady's daughter. I was furious for days and quite grouchy when I finished that book :) When Sleepy and a whole bushel of others bought it, I was a bit frustrated. Glen has always kept it real by killing just about every BC character he pens, but at the time I really didn't see the point. When Croaker does the switch with Shivetya the light went off for sure. Another thread that I really enjoyed was One-Eye's spear. Just the way it would be mentioned here and there throughout several books (the added time between publications contributed to the effect). It gave it a sense of heft and meaning. I didn't like the way Goblin bought it. Coming back after his confrontation with Kina just didn't do it for me. I've always held out hope for Bomanz. He was one of the characters that I really loved and wanted to see more of. He had some great moments, turning his sons bones into goo with a Power Word, tailing the Limper on the carpet and tweaking his spells and ripping off the Purple Granddaddy Power Spell then gesturing that he didn't have anything left just before what was left of the Limper rolled over him. Just classic. Ok, enough stream of consciousness. How does everyone get their info on Glen these days? All the old sites seem stagnated and the Tor site is just no use at all. I've heard about his crime novel (interesting) and I knew about the D20 game, but I've not found much else. Also, does anyone have any insight on what's been going on with Glen other than that he's retired from his day job? There was a period of time when he was the most prolific writer out there. It seemed as though every time I went to the bookstore he had something else on the shelf. For the last ten or fifteen years it seems that he's tailed off in quantity. Again, I'm glad to see that the list is still going along! Happy Monday ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list (some spoilers for the BC) Date: 10 Mar 2004 23:21:48 -0400 A comment on a BC spoiler.... "John F. Sachse" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've always held out hope for Bomanz. He was one of the characters that I > really loved and wanted to see more of. He had some great moments, turning > his sons bones into goo with a Power Word, About his son dying that way... When Bomanz was brought back he claimed all the notes in the Bomanz file weren't his - that he had only kept one small and carefully hidden thing (the map of the barrows). He thought that the little girl who won that game they played (forget her name - sister of the son's girlfriend) might have been the one who assembled the notes. That leaves almost all the actions attributed to him as suspect. I'm sure the son and his girlfriend were killed - but who did it? It could have been the two fighting - or any of the other factions fighting... To quote: His glance crossed the doorway, spied a frightened Snoopy watching from the dark landing. "Oh, child. Child, get out of here." "I'm scared. They're killing each other outside." We're killing each other in here, too, he thought. Please go away. "Go find Jasmine." A horrendous crash came from the shop. Men cursed. Steel met steel. Bomanz heard the voice of one of Tokar's teamsters. The man was deploying a defense of the house. The Guard had made a comeback. Snoopy whimpered. "Stay out of here, child. Stay out. Go down with Jasmine." "I'm scared." "So am I. And I won't be able to help if you get in my way. Please go downstairs." She ground her teeth and rattled away. Bomanz sighed. That was close. If she had seen Stance and Glory… So the person writting the account didn't see the killing and didn't see the bodies until later. Maybe one of the newly risen Taken did it? ... Then again he killed a few others with that same spell, so maybe it was accurate. It's hard to tell when the book is quoting suspect documents and Bomanz kept so quiet about it. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list Date: 10 Mar 2004 23:36:28 -0400 Igor Filippov wrote: > > I wonder if anyone can point to a place which might have "Swap Academy" > (this has already been asked a few years back, but I can't remember > what the answer was and none of the usual suspects - ebay,half.com, amazon > can find it..) ? > A suggestion: I've heard there are a few book projects on the next that are scanning in old pornos. No, I don't know the names of any of these sites or even if they survived the big dot com crash. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! Date: 19 Mar 2004 20:52:53 +0000 Which ones are you looking for? > > From: Mike Koshel > Date: 2004/03/07 Sun AM 05:20:41 GMT > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! > > Finally got "Sung In Blood" in auction on ebay for > only $30 on Monday. That completes my Glen Cook > hdbk/pbk collection; just a couple of more short > stories left now. Anyone got any extras of the really > hard to find short stories? > > Mike Koshel > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Emery Subject: (glencook-fans) Next book? Date: 19 Mar 2004 16:14:53 -0500 I've been off this list for almost a year or so. What's the current publication schedule for any new books? thanks dave ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Koshel Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! Date: 19 Mar 2004 13:26:23 -0800 (PST) Only three left. "Enemy Territory" from Night Voyages #9 Spring 1983 "The Devil's Tooth" from Literary Mag. Of Fan.&Terror #5 74 and Winter's Dreams from The BSFAN - Balticon 31 Program Book Living in Canada, I really haven't tried to take advantage of the donation offer. Just seemed like there might be some hassles to dealing with cross border issues. Got everything else by Glen. Mike --- tstalley@charter.net wrote: > Which ones are you looking for? > > > > From: Mike Koshel > > Date: 2004/03/07 Sun AM 05:20:41 GMT > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! > > > > Finally got "Sung In Blood" in auction on ebay for > > only $30 on Monday. That completes my Glen Cook > > hdbk/pbk collection; just a couple of more short > > stories left now. Anyone got any extras of the > really > > hard to find short stories? > > > > Mike Koshel > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > > visit > . > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives > of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! Date: 19 Mar 2004 16:28:44 -0500 (EST) Do you have "Raker" from Fantasy & Science Fiction Magazine, v. 63, No.2 ? Igor On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 tstalley@charter.net wrote: > Which ones are you looking for? > > > > From: Mike Koshel > > Date: 2004/03/07 Sun AM 05:20:41 GMT > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: (glencook-fans) Woo hooo! > > > > Finally got "Sung In Blood" in auction on ebay for > > only $30 on Monday. That completes my Glen Cook > > hdbk/pbk collection; just a couple of more short > > stories left now. Anyone got any extras of the really > > hard to find short stories? > > > > Mike Koshel > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit . > > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .