From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #26 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Tuesday, September 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 026 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:57:18 -0500 From: "S. Townsend" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowline 3rd Edition Nope, mine's the first printing one on both. They're the only copies I've ever even seen. Eric Herrmann wrote: > I'm trying to determine if there was a 3rd edition of Shadowline. > > Does anyone have a book different from: > > Shadowline (Red Cover) > ISBN: 0-446-30154-X $2.75 > "First Printing: February, 1982" > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" > > Shadowline (Black Cover) > ISBN: 0-446-34214-9 $3.95 > "First Printing: February, 1982" > "Reissued: April, 1986" > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3" > > It's been suggested that the printing is indicated by the > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" > So I'm wondering if someone as a > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2" > > Same challenge for Starfishers. I've only found > > Starfishers > ISBN: 0-446-30155-8 $2.95 > "First Printing: May, 1982" > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" > > Email me privately. > > Thanks, > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:25:38 -0700 From: Lee Childs Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowline 3rd Edition Eric: Shadowline has a first and second edition. 1. 1982 Shadowline Warner 350 ? PB n 2. 1986 Shadowline Warner 350 3.95 PB n See http://www.locusmag.com/ for confirmation. Shadowline (Warner 0-446-34214-9, Apr =9286 [Mar =9286], $3.95, 350pp, pb= ) [*Starfishers] Reissue (Warner 1982) sf novel. Vol. 1 of the =93Starfishe= rs=94 trilogy. Lee Childs Eric Herrmann wrote: > I'm trying to determine if there was a 3rd edition of Shadowline. > > Same challenge for Starfishers. I've only found > > Starfishers > ISBN: 0-446-30155-8 $2.95 > "First Printing: May, 1982" > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" > > Email me privately. > > Thanks, > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 01:22:35 -0500 From: "Richard Gruver" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Shadowline 3rd Edition I kinda got obsessive about buying oop Cook PB's about 3 yrs ago. I have Shadowline in all 3 printings (Actually I have six full sets of the trilogy). I keep intending to sell some of them on ebay but somehow I never get around to it.The first printing has the lighter colored cover where the artwork overflows the frame on the cover. In the 2nd & 3rd printings the cover art is contained within the frame and the rest of the cover is black. Richard Gruver Eric: Shadowline has a first and second edition. 1. 1982 Shadowline Warner 350 ? PB n 2. 1986 Shadowline Warner 350 3.95 PB n See http://www.locusmag.com/ for confirmation. Shadowline (Warner 0-446-34214-9, Apr '86 [Mar '86], $3.95, 350pp, pb) [*Starfishers] Reissue (Warner 1982) sf novel. Vol. 1 of the "Starfishers" trilogy. Lee Childs Eric Herrmann wrote: > I'm trying to determine if there was a 3rd edition of Shadowline. > > Same challenge for Starfishers. I've only found > > Starfishers > ISBN: 0-446-30155-8 $2.95 > "First Printing: May, 1982" > "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" > > Email me privately. > > Thanks, > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:11:50 -0500 From: David Ainsworth Subject: (glencook-fans) Literary Journey (Spoilers) New poster, new to the list, and about a week behind, so I apologize for everything in advance. ;) There are some spoilers below, so be warned... As someone who does literary analysis for a "living," I thought I'd jump in with some opinions on the topic of the Black Company as protagonist. I think perhaps I'd say it is, but only in a qualified sense. Because the Black Company, we learn from the Books of the South, doesn't really exist as a discrete entity. The series is really about a process of defining the Black Company, and then discovering that it isn't at all what it seemed to be. Look at the Books of the North. We have a strong Annalist, regular readings, an underrunning sense of continuity. The same core group of characters help sustain that sense. This is the same Black Company throughout, although by the end of the second book it has redefined itself (only SO black and no further). But suddenly the Company is wiped out, and half of what remains chooses to disband. What is the Company at the end of TWR? That's suddenly a huge question. The continuity has been shattered (I think Silver Spike's position in the series neatly demonstrates that). In the absence of any clear sense of a future, Croaker decides to go back into the Company's past, that which was lost since departure from Khatovar. In those days, the Company was in the service of nobody. And, as he and others comment in the Books of the South and Glittering Stone, their trip south does indeed take them back into the Company's past. But as they start uncovering some of the mysteries, they discover that the Company's past has been manipulated left and right. Kina has created false memories of its earlier trip through the South, Shivetya has manipulated Croaker into trying to return the Annals (which explains Croaker's disinterest in Khatovar in SL), and in its attempt to return to its roots, the Company instead becomes something it had never been before. At the end of SL, the remaining Company, even more than in WS, has little connection to what went before. The new Captain has only the smallest link to the Company of the past, and the Company itself is going to do its thing in an entirely new world. But then there's a second Company, the one gathered around Croaker/Shivetya and Lady. I think it's significant that it is here that the Annals continue. Are these two groups still unified, or not? We can't really tell, though Croaker is never going to leave the Plain again... David PS. Regarding Croaker/Shivetya and Croaker's question to him before the "swap," I feel the implication is that if Shivetya were gone, the Plain and everything in it would cease to exist. And there's the suggestion in an earlier book that the Plain may have *generated* the worlds attached to it. So if Shivetya (the World-Annalist) were gone, everything else goes too. Reality is created, then, by the memory of its past as much or more than by the thrust of its future. The moral, if I were to declare one, for the whole series--and ample source of literary merit. "It is immortality of a sort." ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:16:03 -0500 From: Steve Harris Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Literary Journey (Spoilers) David, Thanks for carrying on my notion of the Company as protagonist. I think of the Company as a sort of protagonist, partly in that it carries some of the moral burden of the story: The concern of just who the company thinks it is, of what it collectively sees as its place in the world, is a question of continuing import, even as the company personell changes in entirety. It is the changing form of the company's self-declared mission that is one of the long-term matters of interest throughout the saga. And, as you say, Kina and Shivetya are world-class manipulators who have an impact on the way the company as a whole (and not just any individual) interacts with the world. But we also have Croaker, Lady, and Soulcatcher as important figures throughout the series (even if the first two are entirely off-stage in WS); so there is also continuity of individual characters, one of whom is a protagonist figures (Lady is always a bit too distant and unsharing of her feelings, even as annalist, to be much of a protagonist). Further, Croaker carries his own individual moral burden, and we care about that (even Lady does, perhaps--but not Soulcatcher). So this is not solely a Company-driven saga; there is Croaker, too (mostly there). Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:10:21 -0600 From: "Amy Weathers" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Literary Journey (Spoilers) I, too, am new to this list. I hope all of us new people do not drive all you 'older' people too crazy. I am also catching up on the last couple of days worth of posts. As far as SL, when I finished reading it I felt very complete. Like many of you, having dedicated the last decade or so the BC, SL took the journey full circle. This is the story of a group of people who have lived, grown and ultimately died together. The fact that the 'real life time' of these novels spans over apx 14 years has also given us, the readers, lots of time to do much living and growing in our own lives, thus making this cycle feel more real and genuine than, say, the Dragonlance stories. Personally, I would feel a little cheated if Cook was to go on with the story. I think it would cheapen the series, again like the way Dragonlance was. I would like to find out more about the history of the Taken and their backstory. Books on that subject would be nice. At any rate, it is nice to see that there are other Cook fans out there. Back in 1990 or so I felt like I was all alone. - - Amy ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #26 ********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .