From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #62 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Thursday, November 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 062 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:47:23 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Filippov Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer Since we seem to have started the line "such-and-such sucks" I have to say - I couldn't finish "Tower of Fear" even though I tried to start it twice ... Igor On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 Ethesis@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/22/2000 6:05:14 PM Central Standard Time, > BaronetCorvu@cs.com writes: > > > > > > > Sam, you are absolutely correct. The Swordbearer sucks. Glen says so > > himself. > > Though Glen was harsher on the sequel that didn't get published. > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:52:48 EST From: CLima52184@cs.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer Has anyone here read David Drake? Do you think Drakes' style is similar to Cooks? ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:24:31 -0400 From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer Igor Filippov wrote: > > Since we seem to have started the line "such-and-such sucks" > I have to say - I couldn't finish "Tower of Fear" even though > I tried to start it twice ... > I enjoyed Tower of Fear - but thought each of the epilogues could have been a book. Reading it I almost felt I was walking into a movie halfway through (big battles fought, city conquered) and leaving after someone whispered to me what happened in the next few scenes and in the sequel. It was a different book. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:35:00 -0600 From: "Don" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer Going to reply to more than one message here, so I apologize in advance. That Said, Bill, Welcome to the list. I wouldn't read Garrett right away. Save it until you learn to love the Author as well as the genre. If your looking for something more BC then go with Tower of Fear. Lots of hard to kill Wizards. The Dread Empire is very good but as has been said very hard to find. The later DE books (publishing date) are better written (IMHO) but are uncompleted without the earlier chronicles. Not to mention that the series is not completed. For those of you that hated Tower of Fear, I am saddened. I thought it was a great read. Sucked me right in. I didn't want it to end. As for the Swordbearer... I liked it because it was Cook. I could probably read it again, but it was no classic. Darkwar was good, but a tough read. I'm almost done with Dragon Never Sleeps. Damb good book. I Picked it up used for $3. Can't beat that. Hey Eric. What happened to the Book of the Month anyway? Don "In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Chilton To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:24 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer > Igor Filippov wrote: > > > > Since we seem to have started the line "such-and-such sucks" > > I have to say - I couldn't finish "Tower of Fear" even though > > I tried to start it twice ... > > > > I enjoyed Tower of Fear - but thought each of the epilogues could have > been a book. Reading it I almost felt I was walking into a movie > halfway through (big battles fought, city conquered) and leaving after > someone whispered to me what happened in the next few scenes and in the > sequel. > > It was a different book. > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:37:22 -0600 From: "Don" Subject: (glencook-fans) To the List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C04DA0.C2D021A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Thanksgiving Everybody. Get Some Bird! 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C04DA0.C2D021A0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:35:39 -0700 From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to list on 11/22/00 1:09 PM, Amy Weathers at raistlin@zianet.com wrote: > Hmmm. So if I move to Poland, maybe I could finally get my hands on > _October's Baby_ You don't have to move to Poland. There are several good online Polish bookstores who will sell you a copy. And you have time, while they are shipping, to learn Polish! Look for the Booksellers page of links on the website. Russia is also publishing Dread Empire. Same deal. - -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:46:27 -0700 From: Eric Herrmann Subject: (glencook-fans) Book-of-the-Month on 11/13/00 5:35 PM, Don at dfgarcia@stic.net wrote: > Hey Eric. What happened to the Book of the Month anyway? The October Book-of-the-Month went so well that I hesitated to try and duplicate it's success. I'll take part of the blame for that. I was busy in October and didn't have a lot of time to moderate the discussion. Why don't we try again when you finish "Dragon" since that was the book for October. As for having another one, I'd say either "Swordbearer" or "Tower of Fear" for January after the holidays. Anyone got a better choice? - -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:11:44 +0100 From: "Marcin Welnicki" Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) New to list > > Russia is also publishing Dread Empire. Same deal. > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > Eh, but Russian has more strage letters!( we've got about 9 of them ;)) Mocker > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:04:19 +0100 From: "Marcin Welnicki" Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) New to list > Hmmm. So if I move to Poland, maybe I could finally get my hands on > _October's Baby_ > > Amy > > Ha, If you can read Polish i can send u a copy:) Mocker ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:17:32 -0400 From: "Pardoz" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:52:48 -0000, Joseph McGrath wrote: >Not enough history about >that thing. And the same thing goes for the character Ragi or Bragi (?) >in,"An ill Fate Marshaling." Bragi Ragnarson. >Well not really his character. There wasn't >enough info on the Portals they used to ferry troops in and out of a war >zone. Umm...you did know _Ill Fate_ was the seventh book in a series, right? The history and operation of the portals was developed along about book 3, with some intriguing revelations on same in book 6....(Pity we'll probably never see the conclusion of the series due to gross publishorial incompetence). - -- BENEFACTOR, n. One who makes heavy purchases of ingratitude, without, however, materially affecting the price, which is still within the means of all. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:59:27 -0600 From: "David George" Subject: Glen Cook and David Drake (Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer) I have read (and continue to read) lots of David Drake. There are similarities between Drake and Cook in topic (mercenary stuff, some SF, some fantasy) but I'd say their writing style is very different. I used to work in this bookstore in Chapel Hill and Drake would come in and visit and talk to folks. Back then, I liked Glen Cook a lot but had a hard time getting into Drake. I could kick myself now, because now I really like the way he writes. As to similarities, they are in roughly the same age group, as I recall. Both served in the military, Cook in the Navy, Drake in the Army. Both seem to know a lot about Roman civilization. Drake, I believe, may have majored in ancient history or classics in undergrad. Not sure how Glen comes by the knowledge, other than plain old interest and research. Two things about Drake that are really different from Cook: first, Drake is very detail oriented. If he throws something in from engineering or technology, classical mythology or ancient culture, chances are good he researched it in some detail. I can recall him (in conversations) disparaging lazy writing that did not get the details right, and I have to agree that when a writer gets details wrong, it detracts from my enjoyment of the parts they got right. By contrast, I'd say that Glen Cook often avoids detail. When Glen uses details in his stories, I am generally satisfied, but he often blows right by details. Are the details important? It's up to the reader to decide, I suppose. In Drake's writing I appreciate them; in Cook's writing, I don't mind when they aren't there. Second thing is that Drake's characters, especially his soldiers, are often just a hair shy of losing it and blowing someone away for saying the wrong thing. Like a whole freaking platoon of Ravens. People riding the ragged edge of combat stress disorders are abundant. There are not a lot of happy-go-lucky folks in Drake's stories. In fact, there are some pretty sick puppies. Drake tends to write third person, Cook in first person. Cook's voice tends to gloss over or skip a lot of the sickness that is nonetheless implied by what he's said. (Example: Mercy, the seargeant who goes into the tavern to find the poisoners in Black Company). What I mean is not that the Drake characters are badder than the Cook characters, it's just that Drake's voice doesn't hide much. I think that soldiers from the Black Company would be able to run with Hammer's Slammers and vice versa. Both have written some badass characters in their works, though I'd take Joachim Steuben over Raven in a dark alley, on viciousness alone (since one is SF, the other Fantasy, the meeting is unlikely). (Sorry, it's just been too long since this list had a Raven vs. ? comment and I lost control.) If you are considering picking up some David Drake and you are already a Cook fan or a merc/military fiction fan, I'd recommend starting with the Hammer's Slammers stuff--it's still widely available new and used. A lot of the books are collections of short stories, but there are also some novels. I think Rolling Hot is probably the best of the Hammer novels in my opinion, but I also liked The Voyage. I also liked The Sharp End, and a Cook fan might find that one appealing. I didn't dislike any of them. If you just want to read fantasy, his latest series (first book is Lord of The Isles) is good but is not much like anything Cook has written and is also pretty different from a lot of the rest of Drake's work too. DG - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Swordbearer > Has anyone here read David Drake? Do you think Drakes' style is similar > to Cooks? > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #62 ********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .