From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #99 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 099 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:19:38 -0500 From: "Jerry Higgins" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... After a long hiatus, I finally finsied the TBC saga, reading both Water Sleeps and Soldiers Live. I was kinda glad to see that Croaker, in a way, gets to live forever (I'd say he does, considering his position). Anyone know of a prequel or spin off concerning other characters? I always wondered what might have became of the White Rose and Silent. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Roche To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > Sorry about the delay, Eric. I'm in the middle of moving cross-country, > which is surprisingly more difficult when you have a 3 month old, and have > had my hands full. With that said, here we go... > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > That should do it... > > The whole Darkwar trilogy is (primarily) about one character: Marika. It > takes her from her humble beginnings as a "primitive savage" to the most > powerful creature on her world. I really liked this progression, but the > plot device that made me it enjoy it was the sense of premonition that > surrounded her right from the beginning. There was always some character who > feared and/or hated her for what she was or for what she seemed fated to > become, but depending on the context Cook could make it seem like a real > premonition (as in the author trying to tell the reader something) or simply > a crackpot character who had her own agenda into which Marika didn't fit. As > the trilogy plays out and we see just how horrible/powerful/destructive > Marika actually is, culminating at the end of the third book where she > realizes the worst fears of the most vocal of her critics. > > Ok, the thing I liked so much about the Ending was that it was just that: an > Ending with a capital E. At the end of the series Marika (the protagonist) > is dead, along with every other Silth that her race has produced. The > changes that she has wrought on her culture and her world are such that the > Silth caste to which she belonged has been wiped out and is not only > unlikely to reappear, but should it attempt to do so it would find the > society of the world as a whole unable and unwilling to support it. In > essence, the end of the series is not only the end of the main character, > but is also the end of an age, the end of an era. > > Remember the end of The Return of the King, how Tolkien has established that > this is the closing of the 3rd age of Middle Earth and that there is no > longer any place for magic, elves, hobbits and the like. Or remember the end > of the movie The Last Emperor, where the last emperor of China returns to > the forbidden city only to find the places where he grew up changed into a > communist museum? Both of these endings has the same feel (for me at least - > I hate to draw any correlation between Cook and Tolkien, but in this context > it seemed appropriate) of a way of life ending with such finality that there > is no hope of regaining it. > > And that is why I liked the ending so much. > > So... I assume that anyone who has read this far has also read the Darkwar > trilogy because of the spoilers warnings above. If you have read these > books, please write in and let us know. Since everyone was so silent to my > first message, I'm wondering if most list members have just never read the > books at all... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Herrmann [mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:09 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > on 4/2/01 11:47 AM, Matthew Roche at MatthewR@CerebusCorp.com wrote: > > > You know, every time the Darkwar trilogy is mentioned on this list it > seems > > that it is getting bashed as one of Glen Cook's weakest works, but I just > > finished reading it for the 2nd or 3rd time and I was reminded again how > > much I liked it, particularly the ending. > > I am also one of those who enjoys reading Darkwar. > > > Does anyone else agree with me? I don't want to say exactly *why* I liked > > the ending for fear of spoilers, but I am interested in hearing what the > > group has to say. > > The group apparently doesn't have much to say. > > So why did you like the ending? > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:22:27 -0500 From: "stownsend" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... The Silver Spike pretty much took of the White Rose/Silent part. Are you familiar with that one? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Higgins Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:20 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... After a long hiatus, I finally finsied the TBC saga, reading both Water Sleeps and Soldiers Live. I was kinda glad to see that Croaker, in a way, gets to live forever (I'd say he does, considering his position). Anyone know of a prequel or spin off concerning other characters? I always wondered what might have became of the White Rose and Silent. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Roche To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > Sorry about the delay, Eric. I'm in the middle of moving cross-country, > which is surprisingly more difficult when you have a 3 month old, and have > had my hands full. With that said, here we go... > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > That should do it... > > The whole Darkwar trilogy is (primarily) about one character: Marika. It > takes her from her humble beginnings as a "primitive savage" to the most > powerful creature on her world. I really liked this progression, but the > plot device that made me it enjoy it was the sense of premonition that > surrounded her right from the beginning. There was always some character who > feared and/or hated her for what she was or for what she seemed fated to > become, but depending on the context Cook could make it seem like a real > premonition (as in the author trying to tell the reader something) or simply > a crackpot character who had her own agenda into which Marika didn't fit. As > the trilogy plays out and we see just how horrible/powerful/destructive > Marika actually is, culminating at the end of the third book where she > realizes the worst fears of the most vocal of her critics. > > Ok, the thing I liked so much about the Ending was that it was just that: an > Ending with a capital E. At the end of the series Marika (the protagonist) > is dead, along with every other Silth that her race has produced. The > changes that she has wrought on her culture and her world are such that the > Silth caste to which she belonged has been wiped out and is not only > unlikely to reappear, but should it attempt to do so it would find the > society of the world as a whole unable and unwilling to support it. In > essence, the end of the series is not only the end of the main character, > but is also the end of an age, the end of an era. > > Remember the end of The Return of the King, how Tolkien has established that > this is the closing of the 3rd age of Middle Earth and that there is no > longer any place for magic, elves, hobbits and the like. Or remember the end > of the movie The Last Emperor, where the last emperor of China returns to > the forbidden city only to find the places where he grew up changed into a > communist museum? Both of these endings has the same feel (for me at least - > I hate to draw any correlation between Cook and Tolkien, but in this context > it seemed appropriate) of a way of life ending with such finality that there > is no hope of regaining it. > > And that is why I liked the ending so much. > > So... I assume that anyone who has read this far has also read the Darkwar > trilogy because of the spoilers warnings above. If you have read these > books, please write in and let us know. Since everyone was so silent to my > first message, I'm wondering if most list members have just never read the > books at all... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Herrmann [mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:09 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > on 4/2/01 11:47 AM, Matthew Roche at MatthewR@CerebusCorp.com wrote: > > > You know, every time the Darkwar trilogy is mentioned on this list it > seems > > that it is getting bashed as one of Glen Cook's weakest works, but I just > > finished reading it for the 2nd or 3rd time and I was reminded again how > > much I liked it, particularly the ending. > > I am also one of those who enjoys reading Darkwar. > > > Does anyone else agree with me? I don't want to say exactly *why* I liked > > the ending for fear of spoilers, but I am interested in hearing what the > > group has to say. > > The group apparently doesn't have much to say. > > So why did you like the ending? > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:58:36 -0500 From: "Jerry Higgins" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... Yes, though it's been awhile. I guess they were in that one, weren't they? I can't remember what became of them though.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: stownsend To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 2:22 PM Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > The Silver Spike pretty much took of the White Rose/Silent part. Are you > familiar with that one? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > Higgins > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:20 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > After a long hiatus, I finally finsied the TBC saga, reading both Water > Sleeps and Soldiers Live. I was kinda glad to see that Croaker, in a way, > gets to live forever (I'd say he does, considering his position). > > Anyone know of a prequel or spin off concerning other characters? I always > wondered what might have became of the White Rose and Silent. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew Roche > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:36 PM > Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > Sorry about the delay, Eric. I'm in the middle of moving cross-country, > > which is surprisingly more difficult when you have a 3 month old, and have > > had my hands full. With that said, here we go... > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > That should do it... > > > > The whole Darkwar trilogy is (primarily) about one character: Marika. It > > takes her from her humble beginnings as a "primitive savage" to the most > > powerful creature on her world. I really liked this progression, but the > > plot device that made me it enjoy it was the sense of premonition that > > surrounded her right from the beginning. There was always some character > who > > feared and/or hated her for what she was or for what she seemed fated to > > become, but depending on the context Cook could make it seem like a real > > premonition (as in the author trying to tell the reader something) or > simply > > a crackpot character who had her own agenda into which Marika didn't fit. > As > > the trilogy plays out and we see just how horrible/powerful/destructive > > Marika actually is, culminating at the end of the third book where she > > realizes the worst fears of the most vocal of her critics. > > > > Ok, the thing I liked so much about the Ending was that it was just that: > an > > Ending with a capital E. At the end of the series Marika (the protagonist) > > is dead, along with every other Silth that her race has produced. The > > changes that she has wrought on her culture and her world are such that > the > > Silth caste to which she belonged has been wiped out and is not only > > unlikely to reappear, but should it attempt to do so it would find the > > society of the world as a whole unable and unwilling to support it. In > > essence, the end of the series is not only the end of the main character, > > but is also the end of an age, the end of an era. > > > > Remember the end of The Return of the King, how Tolkien has established > that > > this is the closing of the 3rd age of Middle Earth and that there is no > > longer any place for magic, elves, hobbits and the like. Or remember the > end > > of the movie The Last Emperor, where the last emperor of China returns to > > the forbidden city only to find the places where he grew up changed into a > > communist museum? Both of these endings has the same feel (for me at > least - > > I hate to draw any correlation between Cook and Tolkien, but in this > context > > it seemed appropriate) of a way of life ending with such finality that > there > > is no hope of regaining it. > > > > And that is why I liked the ending so much. > > > > So... I assume that anyone who has read this far has also read the Darkwar > > trilogy because of the spoilers warnings above. If you have read these > > books, please write in and let us know. Since everyone was so silent to my > > first message, I'm wondering if most list members have just never read the > > books at all... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Herrmann [mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:09 AM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > > > on 4/2/01 11:47 AM, Matthew Roche at MatthewR@CerebusCorp.com wrote: > > > > > You know, every time the Darkwar trilogy is mentioned on this list it > > seems > > > that it is getting bashed as one of Glen Cook's weakest works, but I > just > > > finished reading it for the 2nd or 3rd time and I was reminded again how > > > much I liked it, particularly the ending. > > > > I am also one of those who enjoys reading Darkwar. > > > > > Does anyone else agree with me? I don't want to say exactly *why* I > liked > > > the ending for fear of spoilers, but I am interested in hearing what the > > > group has to say. > > > > The group apparently doesn't have much to say. > > > > So why did you like the ending? > > > > -- > > Eric Herrmann > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit . > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit . > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:54:04 -0700 From: Peter Leitch Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... Silver Spike / Darkwar spoiler ... Silver Spike / Darkwar spoiler ... Silver Spike / Darkwar spoiler ... Silver Spike / Darkwar spoiler ... Silver Spike / Darkwar spoiler ... With Silver Spike, they lived happily ever after. Or not. I guess there could be a story or two there. Perhaps tied in with some history of Silent. And Matthew, I read Darkwar several times but found it weak. Your review was excellent though. You must have enjoyed the classes in school I hated. I enjoyed your reference to the demise of the protaganist and her society. It doesn't matter whether she was good or evil, the damage she did was extreme. Noble or not, if you or your values do not survive at the end, was it worth it? Jerry Higgins wrote: > Yes, though it's been awhile. I guess they were in that one, weren't they? > I can't remember what became of them though.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stownsend > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 2:22 PM > Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > The Silver Spike pretty much took of the White Rose/Silent part. Are you > > familiar with that one? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > > Higgins > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:20 PM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > > > After a long hiatus, I finally finsied the TBC saga, reading both Water > > Sleeps and Soldiers Live. I was kinda glad to see that Croaker, in a way, > > gets to live forever (I'd say he does, considering his position). > > > > Anyone know of a prequel or spin off concerning other characters? I > always > > wondered what might have became of the White Rose and Silent. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Matthew Roche > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:36 PM > > Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > > > > Sorry about the delay, Eric. I'm in the middle of moving cross-country, > > > which is surprisingly more difficult when you have a 3 month old, and > have > > > had my hands full. With that said, here we go... > > > > > > > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > > > DARKWAR SPOILERS ALERT > > > > > > That should do it... > > > > > > The whole Darkwar trilogy is (primarily) about one character: Marika. It > > > takes her from her humble beginnings as a "primitive savage" to the most > > > powerful creature on her world. I really liked this progression, but the > > > plot device that made me it enjoy it was the sense of premonition that > > > surrounded her right from the beginning. There was always some character > > who > > > feared and/or hated her for what she was or for what she seemed fated to > > > become, but depending on the context Cook could make it seem like a real > > > premonition (as in the author trying to tell the reader something) or > > simply > > > a crackpot character who had her own agenda into which Marika didn't > fit. > > As > > > the trilogy plays out and we see just how horrible/powerful/destructive > > > Marika actually is, culminating at the end of the third book where she > > > realizes the worst fears of the most vocal of her critics. > > > > > > Ok, the thing I liked so much about the Ending was that it was just > that: > > an > > > Ending with a capital E. At the end of the series Marika (the > protagonist) > > > is dead, along with every other Silth that her race has produced. The > > > changes that she has wrought on her culture and her world are such that > > the > > > Silth caste to which she belonged has been wiped out and is not only > > > unlikely to reappear, but should it attempt to do so it would find the > > > society of the world as a whole unable and unwilling to support it. In > > > essence, the end of the series is not only the end of the main > character, > > > but is also the end of an age, the end of an era. > > > > > > Remember the end of The Return of the King, how Tolkien has established > > that > > > this is the closing of the 3rd age of Middle Earth and that there is no > > > longer any place for magic, elves, hobbits and the like. Or remember the > > end > > > of the movie The Last Emperor, where the last emperor of China returns > to > > > the forbidden city only to find the places where he grew up changed into > a > > > communist museum? Both of these endings has the same feel (for me at > > least - > > > I hate to draw any correlation between Cook and Tolkien, but in this > > context > > > it seemed appropriate) of a way of life ending with such finality that > > there > > > is no hope of regaining it. > > > > > > And that is why I liked the ending so much. > > > > > > So... I assume that anyone who has read this far has also read the > Darkwar > > > trilogy because of the spoilers warnings above. If you have read these > > > books, please write in and let us know. Since everyone was so silent to > my > > > first message, I'm wondering if most list members have just never read > the > > > books at all... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eric Herrmann [mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com] > > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:09 AM > > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > > > > > > on 4/2/01 11:47 AM, Matthew Roche at MatthewR@CerebusCorp.com wrote: > > > > > > > You know, every time the Darkwar trilogy is mentioned on this list it > > > seems > > > > that it is getting bashed as one of Glen Cook's weakest works, but I > > just > > > > finished reading it for the 2nd or 3rd time and I was reminded again > how > > > > much I liked it, particularly the ending. > > > > > > I am also one of those who enjoys reading Darkwar. > > > > > > > Does anyone else agree with me? I don't want to say exactly *why* I > > liked > > > > the ending for fear of spoilers, but I am interested in hearing what > the > > > > group has to say. > > > > > > The group apparently doesn't have much to say. > > > > > > So why did you like the ending? > > > > > > -- > > > Eric Herrmann > > > > > > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:04:50 -0600 From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... on 4/23/01 1:19 PM, Jerry Higgins at bones272@home.com wrote: > After a long hiatus, I finally finsied the TBC saga, reading both Water > Sleeps and Soldiers Live. I was kinda glad to see that Croaker, in a way, > gets to live forever (I'd say he does, considering his position). > > Anyone know of a prequel or spin off concerning other characters? I always > wondered what might have became of the White Rose and Silent. Let's try to keep this thread focused on Darkwar. Please start another thread to talk about BC. - -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:33:22 -0500 From: Lynn Sellers Subject: (glencook-fans) RE: (glen cook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... I just finished the Darkwar trilogy and enjoyed it very much. I'm a friend of Glen's and know that he thought it was a very good saga much underrated. I agree. The ending was a surprise for me. The only disappointment I had was that it seemed Marika always started something, but never saw it through to its conclusion. I really enjoyed the concept of the darkships, but it seems to me that in the beginning the Mistress stood in the center, and toward the end she was standing on the "blade" end. I could be mistaken, though. - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Higgins [mailto:bones272@home.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 02:59 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... Yes, though it's been awhile. I guess they were in that one, weren't they? I can't remember what became of them though.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: stownsend To: Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 2:22 PM Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > The Silver Spike pretty much took of the White Rose/Silent part. Are you > familiar with that one? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > Higgins > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:20 PM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > After a long hiatus, I finally finsied the TBC saga, reading both Water > Sleeps and Soldiers Live. I was kinda glad to see that Croaker, in a way, > gets to live forever (I'd say he does, considering his position). > > Anyone know of a prequel or spin off concerning other characters? I always > wondered what might have became of the White Rose and Silent. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew Roche > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:36 PM > Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > Sorry about the delay, Eric. I'm in the middle of moving cross-country, > > which is surprisingly more difficult when you have a 3 month old, and have > > had my hands full. 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It > > takes her from her humble beginnings as a "primitive savage" to the most > > powerful creature on her world. I really liked this progression, but the > > plot device that made me it enjoy it was the sense of premonition that > > surrounded her right from the beginning. There was always some character > who > > feared and/or hated her for what she was or for what she seemed fated to > > become, but depending on the context Cook could make it seem like a real > > premonition (as in the author trying to tell the reader something) or > simply > > a crackpot character who had her own agenda into which Marika didn't fit. > As > > the trilogy plays out and we see just how horrible/powerful/destructive > > Marika actually is, culminating at the end of the third book where she > > realizes the worst fears of the most vocal of her critics. > > > > Ok, the thing I liked so much about the Ending was that it was just that: > an > > Ending with a capital E. At the end of the series Marika (the protagonist) > > is dead, along with every other Silth that her race has produced. The > > changes that she has wrought on her culture and her world are such that > the > > Silth caste to which she belonged has been wiped out and is not only > > unlikely to reappear, but should it attempt to do so it would find the > > society of the world as a whole unable and unwilling to support it. In > > essence, the end of the series is not only the end of the main character, > > but is also the end of an age, the end of an era. > > > > Remember the end of The Return of the King, how Tolkien has established > that > > this is the closing of the 3rd age of Middle Earth and that there is no > > longer any place for magic, elves, hobbits and the like. Or remember the > end > > of the movie The Last Emperor, where the last emperor of China returns to > > the forbidden city only to find the places where he grew up changed into a > > communist museum? Both of these endings has the same feel (for me at > least - > > I hate to draw any correlation between Cook and Tolkien, but in this > context > > it seemed appropriate) of a way of life ending with such finality that > there > > is no hope of regaining it. > > > > And that is why I liked the ending so much. > > > > So... I assume that anyone who has read this far has also read the Darkwar > > trilogy because of the spoilers warnings above. If you have read these > > books, please write in and let us know. Since everyone was so silent to my > > first message, I'm wondering if most list members have just never read the > > books at all... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Herrmann [mailto:shpshftr@xmission.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:09 AM > > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Just finished re-reading Darkwar... > > > > > > on 4/2/01 11:47 AM, Matthew Roche at MatthewR@CerebusCorp.com wrote: > > > > > You know, every time the Darkwar trilogy is mentioned on this list it > > seems > > > that it is getting bashed as one of Glen Cook's weakest works, but I > just > > > finished reading it for the 2nd or 3rd time and I was reminded again how > > > much I liked it, particularly the ending. > > > > I am also one of those who enjoys reading Darkwar. > > > > > Does anyone else agree with me? I don't want to say exactly *why* I > liked > > > the ending for fear of spoilers, but I am interested in hearing what the > > > group has to say. > > > > The group apparently doesn't have much to say. > > > > So why did you like the ending? > > > > -- > > Eric Herrmann > > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit . > > > > ======================================================================= > > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > > visit . > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #99 ********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .