From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #134 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Tuesday, September 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 134 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 14:07:51 -0700 From: "S. Hill" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie A
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Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Blac= k Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D(=A0 Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean.=A0 Fred Sanford =3D=20 One-Eye.


    I agree on Red Foxx wholeheartedly.

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Marylin Manson as the Dominator?=A0 The Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall.=A0 Manson meets none of these.=A0 He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose.=A0 Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.

           The more I think about that, you are right, I was thinking Manson along the lines of the just out of the crypt psycho bad god. He was handsome before, but the centuries writhing in the crypt had taken their toll. manson could be a slinky creep like Nightcrawler maybe. I personally despise Manson, but he does have that undead look about him. Maybe the guy who was Dracula in the sleeper Dracula 2000.



Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 15:45:34 -0700 From: Pat & Ellen Hannum Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone gwen1 wrote: > At your service, Pat: *-) > Ummm..... We Poles love Napoleon dearly. One of our favorite heroes. Can't > speak for the Russians.... Wanna ask what percentage of Napoleon's armies > were polish? I'll try to look it up for you. I forgot that you look at him as a liberator. Killed a ton of russians without any warning and marched on Moscow and Killed a ton of his own. Lets see, slaughtered Prussians buy the city, Swedes and Lower Balkan Slavs by the city. But he was a "great" liberator, as long as you joined his empire. Sounds like Croaker and the Lady to me. Join us or we will rip your throat out. > > > People voluntarily joined up with Napoleon. Romans > > > definately didn't loathe Ceasar. > > > > They only killed him, but they didn't loathe him.... ;-) > > Ahh, great nation, Romans. To overthrow your dictator... To me it's a proof > of Romans being highly educated not only in poetry and tactics, but also > republican virtues. Tell me: are there many nations so politically conscious > even of today? Most Arab Countries still look at Assassination as part of the Political process. India on the Local area, not national. > > You canna even evaluate someone from 5 years ago by that. :-0 > > I canna claim anyone was not evil, not even good 'ol Joan of Arc. > > Caesar's claim to fame was his military brilliance in Gaul, again > > an impressive body count. Napoleon, military, Attila? The scour > > of God? All of the above killed without remorse and for no greater > > reason than to further their glory. Not their country's, not to save > > the lives of their countrypersons, but for their own Glory. > > I know that that puts most of the "greats" into this column, but > > it's how I look at it... > > > Ufff.... everything you said is true. Still, please divide these people in > tewo groups. The Before Republic, and the Republic Era. No reason to do that. a Despot is a Despot. Be it pre Republic or post Republic. > You see, long, long > time ago, the king was the owner of his/her land, and everything in it. As > time passed, people changed thet. Now you don't really consider yourself > bound to the service of your ruler, right? No, I did my term of service. I'm a bit of a throw back. I owe the country that allows me to live in it free and write subversive things like this. 8-) > So Napoleon started out by > working on his military career, but to get to the highest power, he had to > promise something to the citizens. Only then he claimes the empire. No, he had it planned and was upset over the overthrow of the King. He also catered to the military. Gave them a chance at "glory". > Ceasar lived at the dawn of citizenship. What? are yea Mad lady? He became a dictator. He ended the Republic! Augustus followed in his footsteps. > Now, Attila, Charles, Hammurabi and the famous rest, were dead sure, that it > was their backyard they played in. They were acquairing new territories. And > their countrypersons didn't even care- no such idea was before the Greek > democracies. All you had to do was to stick to your work. Period. Or they killed you. Temples were a wonderful thing. > Howgh! Hey, I like this a new expression, gotta write this down. I don't get to see this often. Thank you! > > [looking up: my, my??? what am I doing? I just wrote a historiosophical > essay??? Try Norman Davies' book about Poland. There's much about Napoleon, > and great people sacrificing themselves for their countrypeople.He gets this > straight. ] I read and studied history for 4 years in college. I can cite you different views from different writers. It all depends on what country they are from and are trying to prove. > gwen > Thank you, Lady Gwen. I enjoy a good argument / discussion. But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting cheesed off at each other..... Pat ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:13:20 -0600 From: Eric Herrmann Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone on 9/3/01 4:45 PM, Pat & Ellen Hannum at hanmac@uswest.net wrote: > But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should > end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting > cheesed off at each other..... Well, I found the discussion interesting with the different viewpoints. But maybe you could turn it back to the Black Company by say summing up with something like "The Lady is most like Napolean because...." and "The Dominator is most like _______ because ....". That might be helpful to us historical illiterates. Not that I expect any agreement. :) - -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 21:42:36 -0500 From: Pete Flugstad Subject: (glencook-fans) Off-Topic: historical literates Eric Herrmann wrote: > That might be helpful to us historical illiterates. Like me... Since you uttered it, I'll follow up quickly: while you two are summarizing the relevance to the BC, can either of you recommend any good "general" history books that goes back say, 10,000 years, and traces history up to present day, with major personalities, accomplishments, etc? Some type of overview. I often see references to famous historical personages (Hammurabi for example), or places (Tyrr - or whatever that city is off the coast of Lebannon or thereabouts) that I know the name of, but I don't know the historical significance of. It's what I get for reading great books like the Janissaries series by Pournelle. I know I'm asking a lot, but any recommendations on where to start? Ain't American historical education wonderful... even a major in Comp Sci at a "Liberal Arts" college let me avoid history (although I did take a great class in Russian/Soviet history, mostly rendered moot by events about the time I was taking it (or shortly thereafter). :-/ Heck, any newsgroup FAQs I can check? Thanks, Pete ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:18:56 +0200 From: "Anna Nowakowska" Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone > I read and studied history for 4 years in college. I can cite you > different views from different writers. It all depends on what > country they are from and are trying to prove. > Yes. Well. Whatever. > > > > Thank you, Lady Gwen. I enjoy a good argument / discussion. > But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should > end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting > cheesed off at each other..... Hehehe. Thank you and you're welcome. Funny how this time it worked out [evil grin]. > Gwen - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Krynica mądrości" - XI Forum Ekonomiczne < http://www.forum-ekonomiczne.wp.pl > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:20:29 +0200 From: "Anna Nowakowska" Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) For everyone Aaa!? No, please. No more essays. Napoleon rules. You're all great. Gwen > > But I think others would wish we took this elsewhere, so we should > > end or remove this from the list. Nice to discuss this without getting > > cheesed off at each other..... > > Well, I found the discussion interesting with the different viewpoints. > > But maybe you could turn it back to the Black Company by say summing up with > something like "The Lady is most like Napolean because...." and "The > Dominator is most like _______ because ....". That might be helpful to us > historical illiterates. > > Not that I expect any agreement. :) > > -- > Eric Herrmann > > > > > > ====================================================================== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > - -- - -- pozdrawia Gwen I don't suffer from my insanity I enjoy every minute of it! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Krawczyk & Bregovic razem na płycie - "Daj mi drugie zycie" - już w sklepach! Kliknij! < http://krawczyk-bregovic.wp.pl > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:27:07 +0200 From: "Anna Nowakowska" Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off-Topic: historical literates As you requested: {drums} tada!: I recommend my all-time- favorite: "Europe" by Norman Davies. It is huge, but written in a very modern style. You can browse it as you choose, no need to read boring chapters after chapters in search of one tiny bit of info. This gives you all the informations on ancient history of the Eouropean peoples. I also read "Africa" by a group of authors, but this one os aliitle to detailed for my taste. In return, please recommens something on North American history. It's quite mysterious to me. Gwen > Since you uttered it, I'll follow up quickly: while you two > are summarizing the relevance to the BC, can either of you > recommend any good "general" history books that goes back > say, 10,000 years, and traces history up to present day, > with major personalities, accomplishments, etc? Some type > of overview. I often see references to famous historical > personages (Hammurabi for example), or places (Tyrr - or > whatever that city is off the coast of Lebannon or thereabouts) > that I know the name of, but I don't know the historical > significance of. It's what I get for reading great books like > the Janissaries series by Pournelle. > I know I'm asking a lot, but any recommendations on where to > start? Ain't American historical education wonderful... even > a major in Comp Sci at a "Liberal Arts" college let me avoid > history (although I did take a great class in Russian/Soviet > history, mostly rendered moot by events about the time I was > taking it (or shortly thereafter). :-/ > > Heck, any newsgroup FAQs I can check? > > Thanks, > Pete > > > ====================================================================== To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > - -- - -- pozdrawia Gwen I don't suffer from my insanity I enjoy every minute of it! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Krawczyk & Bregovic razem na płycie - "Daj mi drugie zycie" - już w sklepach! Kliknij! < http://krawczyk-bregovic.wp.pl > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:36:49 +0200 From: "Marcin Welnicki" Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wright Frazier To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Most Evil Character > Spoilers and such.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catcher was most definately evil, however you are missin why she doesn't get > #1. Her whole schtick was revenge on lady. She'd never have gone so far as > to kill Lady and let the game end. she though she killed her and the company( not imprisoned them) So she might have been nuts, but her goal was the game with > Lady. She'd have not gone to the length Croaker did. so it makes her less evil? because she ONLY played a game? And you think if she had the power to destroy the world( and the company who was on this world), she wouldnt do it? its pretty naive I think Mocker - -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:13:23 -0700 From: Sam Roberts Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13564.E769B1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend = to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, = more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, = Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would = likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well = into sequel territory. I actually envision these books done more justice as = a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious = (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. =20 =20 As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give = the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but = physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a = little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and = nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired = beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I = think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were = casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. Keep = in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company = until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ing=E9nue would work well. =20 =20 Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better. =20 Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy = just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent. =20 Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the = other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin. =20 Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' = Sergeant Zim) =20 Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie geek? =20 =20 Sam =20 =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Wright Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com]=20 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie =20 Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he = was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. = Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye. =20 Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) = very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. = He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just = need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best. =20 Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. = He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible = physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving = does menacing badass _VERY_ well. =20 Wright - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: S. Hill=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com =20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there = were=20 >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major = >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. = One-Eye, >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in = "Speed" >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford = as=20 >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or = Soulcatcher. >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for = Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would = be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover = lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, = if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. = James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. = Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.=20 Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would = work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as = long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is = doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13564.E769B1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I'm=20 very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend to = think=20 they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe.  I = always=20 got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, more = slender and=20 sinewy than huge and muscled out.  Maybe that was all in my = head.  I=20 would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, Cinque = from=20 Amistad) instead.  A moot point though, since any movie would = likely=20 just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well = into sequel=20 territory.  I actually envision these books done more = justice as=20 a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels = ambitious=20 (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. 
 
As for=20 lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give the big = thumbs=20 down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically wrong for = the=20 role.  Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a little too = old. =20 Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and = nubile.  I also=20 seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired = beauty. =20 Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, = I think=20 Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best.  If I were = casting=20 this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown.  = Keep in=20 mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company = until well=20 into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until = unveiling a=20 new hottie ing=E9nue would work well. 
 
Tommy=20 Lee Jones - love him!  Although I think I'd rather see him as the = Captain,=20 he fits my mental picture better.
 
Johnny=20 Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie = for me, I=20 find myself unable to settle on someone for him, although I = occasionally=20 consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy just to see him = play one=20 of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe = Silent.
 
Dennis=20 Hopper would make a great Limper, good call!  I went way the other = direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi.  He could do creepy so = well=20 although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin.
 
Elmo:=20 Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' Sergeant=20 Zim)
 
Wow,=20 that was longer than I intended.  Can you tell I'm a movie=20 geek?
 
 
Sam
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Wright Frazier=20 [mailto:khelek@home.com]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 = 1:17=20 PM
To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 (glencook-fans) BC Movie

 
Now that Red Foxx is dead there can = be no Black=20 Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =3D(  Short, = crotchity,=20 melodramatic, and mean.  Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye.
 
Marylin Manson as the = Dominator?  The=20 Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) = very=20 tall.  Manson meets none of these.  He was killin people = with raw=20 strength in the White Rose.  Prolly just need to find some = unknown for=20 him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.
 
Mogaba?  Not Michael Clark = Duncan.  He=20 can't do menacing badness well.  He'd make a great Sindawe who = was a much=20 nicer guy with an incredible physique.  Vingh Rhames on the = other hand is=20 who I always think of when I think of Mogaba.  (Marcelles = Wallace in Pulp=20 Fiction, Shad in Striptease).  Ving does menacing badass _VERY_=20 well.
 
Wright
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 S.=20 Hill
To: glencook-fans@lists.xmi= ssion.com=20
Sent: Sunday, September 02, = 2001 6:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) = BC=20 Movie


>About to change the subject...
>I would like to see the BC book series made into an = animated=20 movie
>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?
>~Dreamer
>
>___________________________
>
>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be = released. =20 If there were
>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast = in the=20 major
>roles?
>
>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as=20 Goblin.  One-Eye,
>I'm not sure.  I'd cast for Limper the actor who was = the=20 villain in "Speed"
>and "Blue Velvet."  Can't remember his name off = hand. =20 Harrison Ford as
>Croaker?  He can be broody yet driven.  Uma = Thurman as=20 Lady or Soulcatcher. 
>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe = in for=20 Magoba.
>

    Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis = Hopper is a=20 good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off = too,=20 especially in 'Raker'  when the mask is pulled off and he sips = tea.=20 Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and = sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, = if a=20 little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it,  = *could* pass=20 as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight.  Johnny = Depp could=20 be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the = first=20 trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money = with=20 make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian = Schell=20 would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister = and with=20 some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great = Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.

   Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 = style=20 movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, = thus not=20 taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave = program, Exile=20 Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K = movie.


Just some opinions,
Steve

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13564.E769B1F0-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:17:20 -0400 From: AndersNJ@bscmail.buffalostate.edu Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1356D.D5F1B720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm some good points but I have a few things that I think I dissagree = with. =20 Ok #1 I think that if BC were ever going to become a reality for the = big screen or the small screen you would have to use less known/Not known actors/actresses. This is simply on the fact that you want to focus = more on the storyline then on the characters. Although Croaker is the main = element in the first couple books, and you would wanna convey his cynicism, you wouldnt want someone large to play the part. =20 =20 that said.... I think that clancy brown would work for elmo. for = Raven, I see more of a brooding person, and although johnny depp could do it, I = dont think he would be a good raven. I dont think that ms jones would be a good pick for the lady. I have = always seen the lady more of a very light skinned northern beauty. Such as = someone from ireland or scotland, that has very pale skin, with just a hint of color, and very black/raven wavy hair. Catherine zeta jones, while absolutely beautiful, I feel has too dark of a complexion to fit that. =20 How about this though, for toadkiller's human counter part (cant = remember if he had a name off the top of my head, and im one book behind on the = re-read) Ron Perlman. I think his presence would work with that very well :) =20 awright thats my 2 bits =20 later nick =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Sam Roberts [mailto:Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 PM To: 'glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) BC Movie I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend = to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe. I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, = more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out. Maybe that was all in my head. I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, = Cinque from Amistad) instead. A moot point though, since any movie would = likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well = into sequel territory. I actually envision these books done more justice as = a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious = (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. =20 =20 As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give = the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but = physically wrong for the role. Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a = little too old. Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and = nubile. I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired = beauty. Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I = think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best. If I were = casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown. Keep = in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company = until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ing=E9nue would work well. =20 =20 Tommy Lee Jones - love him! Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better. =20 Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, = although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy = just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent. =20 Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call! I went way the = other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi. He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin. =20 Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' = Sergeant Zim) =20 Wow, that was longer than I intended. Can you tell I'm a movie geek? =20 =20 Sam =20 =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Wright Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com]=20 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie =20 Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he = was the one true One-Eye. =3D( Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean. = Fred Sanford =3D One-Eye. =20 Marylin Manson as the Dominator? The Dominator was supposed to be a) = very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall. Manson meets none of these. = He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose. Prolly just = need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best. =20 Mogaba? Not Michael Clark Duncan. He can't do menacing badness well. = He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible = physique. Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba. (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease). Ving = does menacing badass _VERY_ well. =20 Wright - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: S. Hill=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com =20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie >About to change the subject... >I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie >series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie? >~Dreamer > >___________________________ > >Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released. If there = were=20 >to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major = >roles? > >For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin. = One-Eye, >I'm not sure. I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in = "Speed" >and "Blue Velvet." Can't remember his name off hand. Harrison Ford = as=20 >Croaker? He can be broody yet driven. Uma Thurman as Lady or = Soulcatcher. >The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for = Magoba. > Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker' when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would = be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover = lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it, *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, = if he lost some weight. Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. = James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. = Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.=20 Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would = work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as = long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is = doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie. Just some opinions, Steve - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1356D.D5F1B720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Message
hmmm some good points but I have a few things that I think I dissagree with.
 
Ok #1 I think that if BC were ever going to become a reality for the big screen or the small screen you would have to use less known/Not known actors/actresses.  This is simply on the fact that you want to focus more on the storyline then on the characters.  Although Croaker is the main element in the first couple books, and you would wanna convey his cynicism, you wouldnt want someone large to play the part. 
 
that said.... I think that clancy brown would work for elmo.  for Raven, I see more of a brooding person, and although johnny depp could do it, I dont think he would be a good raven.
I dont think that ms jones would be a good pick for the lady.  I have always seen the lady more of a very light skinned northern beauty.  Such as someone from ireland or scotland, that has very pale skin, with just a hint of color, and very black/raven wavy hair.  Catherine zeta jones, while absolutely beautiful, I feel has too dark of a complexion to fit that.
 
How about this though, for toadkiller's human counter part (cant remember if he had a name off the top of my head, and im one book behind on the re-read) Ron Perlman.  I think his presence would work with that very well :)
 
awright thats my 2 bits
 
later
nick
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Roberts [mailto:Sam.Roberts@apollogrp.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:13 PM
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I'm very much a fan of Michael Clark Duncan and Ving Rhames but I tend to think they're a little to beefy for the roles of Mogaba and Sindawe.  I always got the impression that they were lean, mean fighting machines, more slender and sinewy than huge and muscled out.  Maybe that was all in my head.  I would pick someone like Djimon Hounsou (Juba from Gladiator, Cinque from Amistad) instead.  A moot point though, since any movie would likely just be based on The Black Company and not include Mogaba until well into sequel territory.  I actually envision these books done more justice as a lengthy, gritty, complex miniseries event ala SciFi channels ambitious (yet strangely mediocre) Dune. 
 
As for lady, I also think Uma Thurman is way off base and have to give the big thumbs down to Madelaine Stowe, both excellent actors but physically wrong for the role.  Uma is too light and willowy and Madelaine a little too old.  Lady, late in the series always appeared, young, fresh and nubile.  I also seem to recall her being a pretty well put together dark haired beauty.  Although I'm not a huge fan of her work, as far as name actors go, I think Catherine Zeta Jones fits the physical bill the best.  If I were casting this thing, however I would probably look for a talented unknown.  Keep in mind that Lady isn't an actual physical presence in The Black Company until well into the book, I think keeping her off screen and mysterious until unveiling a new hottie ingénue would work well. 
 
Tommy Lee Jones - love him!  Although I think I'd rather see him as the Captain, he fits my mental picture better.
 
Johnny Depp - I see him more as a Raven than Croaker, but Croaker's a toughie for me, I find myself unable to settle on someone for him, although I occasionally consider Michael Ironside and then think I'd be happy just to see him play one of the more interesting and cutthroat members of the Company like maybe Silent.
 
Dennis Hopper would make a great Limper, good call!  I went way the other direction and was thinking Steve Buscemi.  He could do creepy so well although he's just funny looking enough for Goblin.
 
Elmo: Clancy Brown (Highlander's the Kurgan, Starship Troopers' Sergeant Zim)
 
Wow, that was longer than I intended.  Can you tell I'm a movie geek?
 
 
Sam
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wright Frazier [mailto:khelek@home.com]
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 1:17 PM
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Now that Red Foxx is dead there can be no Black Company movie, for he was the one true One-Eye. =(  Short, crotchity, melodramatic, and mean.  Fred Sanford = One-Eye.
 
Marylin Manson as the Dominator?  The Dominator was supposed to be a) very handsome b) heavily muscled c) very tall.  Manson meets none of these.  He was killin people with raw strength in the White Rose.  Prolly just need to find some unknown for him since he will have a 5 minute part at best.
 
Mogaba?  Not Michael Clark Duncan.  He can't do menacing badness well.  He'd make a great Sindawe who was a much nicer guy with an incredible physique.  Vingh Rhames on the other hand is who I always think of when I think of Mogaba.  (Marcelles Wallace in Pulp Fiction, Shad in Striptease).  Ving does menacing badass _VERY_ well.
 
Wright
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From: S. Hill
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC Movie


>About to change the subject...
>I would like to see the BC book series made into an animated movie
>series...maybe done like Final Fantasy movie?
>~Dreamer
>
>___________________________
>
>Or like "The Fellowship of the Ring" that's to be released.  If there were
>to be such a movie who do you think would be best to cast in the major
>roles?
>
>For starters, I can imagine Joe Peschi or Danny DiVito as Goblin.  One-Eye,
>I'm not sure.  I'd cast for Limper the actor who was the villain in "Speed"
>and "Blue Velvet."  Can't remember his name off hand.  Harrison Ford as
>Croaker?  He can be broody yet driven.  Uma Thurman as Lady or Soulcatcher. 
>The tall guy from the Green Mile/Planet of Apes is a shoe in for Magoba.
>

    Gee, this topic again. Although Dennis Hopper is a good choice for Limper, I could see Anthony Hopkins pulling it off too, especially in 'Raker'  when the mask is pulled off and he sips tea. Liam Neeson would be a decent Silent, as he can look expressive and sinister. If Danny Glover lost weight he could be a great One-Eye, if a little tall. Mark Wahlberg, although I hate to admit it,  *could* pass as Raven, or Daniel Baldwin, if he lost some weight.  Johnny Depp could be aged a bit (he always looks young) to play the Croaker of the first trilogy. Marilyn Manson as the Dominator? No need to waste money with make-up, he brings his own. James Woods as the Captain? Maximilian Schell would be a suitable Raker. Christina Ricci can be a bit sinister and with some work might work out as Lady/Soulcatcher. Rob Zombie is a great Shapeshifter in my opinion. Undertaker as Bonegnasher.

   Ultimately, a Final Fantasy or Heavy Metal 2000 style movie would work for me too, as costs wouldn't be too prohibitive, thus not taking as long to produce as live action. With the Lightwave program, Exile Films is doing a great job with the Warhammer 40K movie.


Just some opinions,
Steve

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