From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #151 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Sunday, January 6 2002 Volume 01 : Number 151 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: scott havner Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dreams of steel & Bleak seasons - --- APZK wrote: > I haven't read english versions of "Dreams of steel" > and "Bleak seasons". But in russian translations of > them I've found some difference between Lady's point > of view and Murgen's point of view - when Croaker > meet again Company and Murgen returned banner - in > Lady's interpretation, Croaker looked merry and > benevolent; in Murgen's interpretation, Croaker rude > and angry. Is it a true difference, or it is a > difference of two different translators? > This is an example of why the Black Company novels are so popular. Ask any two soldiers who were in the same battle what happened and you're guaranteed to get very different accounts, even if the two soldiers were side by side. Also one has to take into account that Lady is in love with Croaker very likely a girlish "puppy" love as he is her first, she is going to have happier thoughts of him. Also they are sexually involved, I know I'm a lot more cheerful around my wife than the soldiers I work with(yes I'm military). Also Murgen is a senior enlisted man, Croaker is the top officer, from Murgen's point of view(as with any enlisted man talking about his senior officers) Croaker is the "Old Man" and this will come through in his descriptions of him. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:46:06 -0500 From: Aphion S Moore Subject: (glencook-fans) From the Files of Garrett P.I. I am interested in the Garrett series (read and reread all of the series repeatedly). Has anyone heard if there are plans for a new book addition for this series in the future? ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:41:52 -0400 From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dreams of steel & Bleak seasons SPOILERS Note - the original post didn't have spoilers - the reply does. > APZK wrote: > > I haven't read english versions of "Dreams of steel" and "Bleak > seasons". But in russian translations of them I've found some > difference between Lady's point of view and Murgen's point of view - > when Croaker meet again Company and Murgen returned banner - in Lady's > interpretation, Croaker looked merry and benevolent; in Murgen's > interpretation, Croaker rude and angry. Is it a true difference, or it > is a difference of two different translators? I believe the difference is real - and that Lady writes what she wants history to remember. There's one scene where Lady says (this is paraphased - I don't have the books handy for an exact quote) 'then those guys volunteered to go back to the besieged city' where Murgen's point of view was 'then Lady put a spell on those guys and made them go back to that hellhole of a besieged city'. Lady sees Croaker one way - to her he has never been her superior and she has spent centuries around some very nasty dark guys - and to her Croaker looks like a nice guy. Plus, she's his lover so she sees a very private side of him. Murgen is under Croaker's command, and Croaker plays his cards close to his chest. Croaker gives orders and sometimes the plan comes together and the order makes sense but othertimes the plan falls through and Croaker doesn't bother explaining what he was trying to do. Murgen is a brother of the Black Company, but Croaker knows how brothers dies and tries not to get too close to him (hence the name of the last book). Remember the scene in the first book just before they went to Rose to get Raker? Members of the company were returning from a mission and everyone had to play the 'I don't really care' game as they wondered which friends might be hurt or dead. Croaker (as the doctor and writer) didn't have to play as much - as doctor he was expected to ask about the wounded and as writer he was expect to record how every man fell - but even though he could ask he couldn't really show he cared. I don't think open emotions could play a role in the Black Company. One of the few times any of them show emotions is during the first book when Croaker's oldest friend was surprised to see Croaker being visibly upset about the dead babies they found in Darling's village. To Lady Croaker is an interesting little person and later a lover. To Murgen Croaker is a commanding officer who knows he might have to send Murgen off on a mission to die. Same person - two very different sides. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:37:07 -0600 From: "Lawrence Jenab" Subject: (glencook-fans) Off topic This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19617.FA6AC500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anybody remember a book about vampires ruling London? Somebody on = the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) recommended it a while back, = and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I lost the file I = made to remind myself. Sorry for the offtopic post! Thanks, Larry - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19617.FA6AC500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anybody remember a book about = vampires ruling=20 London?  Somebody on the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) = recommended=20 it a while back, and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I = lost the=20 file I made to remind myself.  Sorry for the offtopic = post!
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19617.FA6AC500-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:07:55 -0400 From: Richard Chilton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off topic > Lawrence Jenab wrote: > > Does anybody remember a book about vampires ruling London? Somebody > on the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) recommended it a while > back, and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I lost the > file I made to remind myself. Sorry for the offtopic post! > Anno Dracula? I think that's the title - the setting has Dracula marries Queen Vic after Albert dies. Most of the folks from the novel Dracula are in it as well as some from the Holmes stories and a few other victorian stories. If memory serves the main plot centered around Jack Steward hunting for a Jack the Ripper type that kills vampires. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Dutton Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Off topic - --- Richard Chilton wrote: > > Lawrence Jenab wrote: > > > > Does anybody remember a book about vampires ruling London? Somebody > > on the list (or maybe it was the Zelazny ng) recommended it a while > > back, and I wanted to read it, but my computer crashed and I lost the > > file I made to remind myself. Sorry for the offtopic post! > > > > Anno Dracula? I think that's the title - the setting has Dracula > marries Queen Vic after Albert dies. Most of the folks from the novel > Dracula are in it as well as some from the Holmes stories and a few > other victorian stories. > If memory serves the main plot centered around Jack Steward hunting for > a Jack the Ripper type that kills vampires. Anno Dracula, by Kim Newman, is likely that book. (Newman also wrote some Warhammer fantasy novels as Jack Yeovil). It's a stand-alone book with two sequels (Bloody Red Baron is book 2; I'm uncertain about book 3's titleJudgement of tears is book 3). Craig. > > Richard > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:13:12 -0600 From: mokie Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) From the Files of Garrett P.I. Aphion S Moore wrote: > > I am interested in the Garrett series (read and reread all of the series > repeatedly). Has anyone heard if there are plans for a new book addition > for this series in the future? "Angry Lead Skies" has been mentioned on the list here as the next book, with one more on the way. From October's archives: "Besides the Garrett book coming out spring of 2002 ("Angry Lead Skies"), he expects one more--the last." (Steve Harris) I'm a bit disappointed myself, Garrett being my first introduction to Cook's writing and a favorite still. Still, best to know when to go, I suppose. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #151 *********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit .