From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #252 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Saturday, March 22 2003 Volume 01 : Number 252 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:51:54 -0600 (CST) From: Changeling Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) a Black Company reader? Wasn't Bonecrusher one of g'gnasher's other names? I think I remember a reference to that in the first book during the fight at the tower. - -Matthew On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Peter Leitch wrote: > I was watching the 7th Calvary in Iraq on CNN last night. One of the > units was called Bonecrusher. It sounds awefully close to Bonegnasher. > I wonder who gets to name the units and whether they had ever read the > Black Company books? > > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ************************************************************************** * * * "It is good to find that one is in agreement with the gods." * * "Howso?" * * "It shows that the gods are wise." * * * ************************************************************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:59:59 -0600 (CST) From: Changeling Subject: (glencook-fans) What's a morrion anyway? Something I've wondered about off and on...Glen describes Soulcatcher as wearing a black morrion. But the morrions I've seen have never had any face protection...they are the big boat looking helmets that the spaniards wear. - -Matthew ************************************************************************** * * * "It is good to find that one is in agreement with the gods." * * "Howso?" * * "It shows that the gods are wise." * * * ************************************************************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:46:18 -0700 From: "Derrill 'Kisc' Guilbert" Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) What's a morrion anyway? That is an interesting point ... Searched for morrion helmet on google (morrion alone gives you pictures of people, mountains, and plants), and found this picutre: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/calderon/espejo.html and this definition: http://69.1911encyclopedia.org/M/MO/MORION.htm "MORION (the French form of a word occurring in Spanish as morrion, Ital. morione, usually connected with the Span. morra, top or crown of the head), a light round-shaped head-piece or helmet (q.v.). The chief characteristics are a brim, an upright comb running along the crown from back to front, and the absence of guards for the face, ears or neck. The brim was bent sharply upwards at the front and back, and the piece was generally worn tilted backward so as to cover the neck. The morion and the cabasset, a pear-shaped headpiece with a flatter brim and no comb, were the typical infantry helmets of the 16th and early 17th centuries. It was sometimes worn unacc"mmpanied by any body armour." I rather expect that she could have built a mask to go with it without too much effort. Or paid/threatened someone to do so. I'd have to re-read the passages in question and finding them is too much like research ;) http://www.google.com/search?q=morrion+helmet&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&filter=0 is the google link if you want to look through them for yourselves. Kisc > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Changeling > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:00 AM > To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (glencook-fans) What's a morrion anyway? > > > > Something I've wondered about off and on...Glen describes Soulcatcher as > wearing a black morrion. But the morrions I've seen have never had any > face protection...they are the big boat looking helmets that the spaniards > wear. > > -Matthew > > > ****************************************************************** > ******** > * * > * "It is good to find that one is in agreement with the gods." * > * "Howso?" * > * "It shows that the gods are wise." * > * * > ************************************************************************** > > > ======================================================================= > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, > visit . > ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:28:22 -0700 From: shpshftr@xmission.com Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) What's a morrion anyway? Quoting Derrill 'Kisc' Guilbert : > That is an interesting point ... > > Searched for morrion helmet on google (morrion alone gives you pictures > of people, mountains, and plants), and found this picture: > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/calderon/espejo.html I like this picture: http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/Covers/Full/BlckCompFR.jpg - -- Eric Herrmann ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:39:06 +0100 From: Les gropabos sont en lecture seule actuellement Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) What's a morrion anyway? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --=_NextPart_Lycos_0099341048329546_ID Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well morions were the typical european infantry helmets of the 16° century. Their
curved shape were supposed to deflect rather than stop missiles.

A face guard with a similar shape would have made its user blind, so it would have
required to make something simple, that would have been useless when hit by a gun
shot. Plus these helmets were supposed to be cheap. Footmen at this time wore nothing
but their morion and a body piece of armor. Their legs, arms, front neck and face were
unarmored.

Soulcatcher is not concerned with the price of armor pieces. In addition to that the
inexistence of guns made face guards more effective (and BC soldiers had some, at least
in the the first book) especially as it was supposed to be a mask rather than a protection.

Notice you can see, in the background of the french cover of first book (as showed in
Eric Hermann's answer) a representation of a soldier wearing a morion with face guard.
The french translator, who generally made a great job, had changed the meaning of a
sentence so that french readers thought most BC soldiers wore such morions, which may
have influenced the illustrator.

GPB

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- --=_NextPart_Lycos_0099341048329546_ID-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Childs Subject: (glencook-fans) What's a morrion anyway? - ------=_Part_5976_7031745.1048395175934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow readers, The Webster's on-line dictionary describes a morion as "a high-crested helm= et with no visor". The description in the book was: THE BLACK COMPANY page 14 =E2=80=9CThe rider was small, effeminately slim, and clad in worn black lea= ther. He wore a black morion, which concealed his head entirely. Black gl= oves concealed his hands.=E2=80=9D I always envisioned Soulcatcher's headgear to be like a cylinder with a cro= wn that came to a high arch in front. Lee Childs - ------=_Part_5976_7031745.1048395175934 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; name=MESSAGE.HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=MESSAGE.HTML Well morions were the typical european infantry helmets of the 16=B0 centur= y. Their
curved shape were supposed to deflect rather than stop missile= s.

A face guard with a similar shape would have made its user blind,= so it would have
required to make something simple, that would have be= en useless when hit by a gun
shot. Plus these helmets were supposed to = be cheap. Footmen at this time wore nothing
but their morion and a body= piece of armor. Their legs, arms, front neck and face were
unarmored.<= BR>
Soulcatcher is not concerned with the price of armor pieces. In addi= tion to that the
inexistence of guns made face guards more effective (a= nd BC soldiers had some, at least
in the the first book) especially as = it was supposed to be a mask rather than a protection.

Notice you ca= n see, in the background of the french cover of first book (as showed in Eric Hermann's answer) a representation of a soldier wearing a morion wit= h face guard.
The french translator, who generally made a great job, had changed the me= aning of a
sentence so that french readers thought most BC soldiers wor= e such morions, which may
have influenced the illustrator.

GPB

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