From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 07:24:53 EDT On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) BDay0000@aol.com writes: >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one >of us >may own that we would never let out of our site. A few come to mind just because they were hard to find: 1) Railway Children - Recurrence 2) House of Love - self-titled first album 3) Men Without Hats - 2-fer :) Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 09:13:57 -0400 Steven Enz wrote: > As for the reduction of words into numbers and letters. Ivan is doing > this for a reason which may not be immediately obvious to us. Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing until today, and was also well known for it. I just don't like the idea that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap. Unless it's a tribute or something. *shrug* -- Adam J Weitzman "What is is, Individual, Inc. What is not is possible." weitzman@individual.com - Einstuerzende http://www.individual.com Neubauten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) The End Date: 01 May 1997 14:08:26 -0400 (EDT) >(Which reminds me: I once recorded Freeways from 45 to cassette, and >accidentally left the speed on 33. What I got was one of the neatest >songs I've ever heard. Try it, and tell me what you think.) I have got to try that sometime! Which 45 is that on? >art in Pop just blows me away. The first time I heard Lose My Way I >almost cried. Ditto for The End. Am I alone in this? Am I alone? I felt a little sad when I heard "The End (of the World)". I imagined the people of the Earth celebrating (for some reason) the fact that Earth lasted so long and all the things we accomplished. I pictured matadors, monkeys, and a million balloons and everyone enjoying themselves. And even world peace! What a picture Ivan painted. So of course I started to think about how the world would actually end. How depressing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) PGTW and other things Date: 01 May 1997 14:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Oops, I accidentally sent this privately to someone, so I will resend it tot he list again. Sorry! >>"Moonbeam" and "Pop Goes the World" are typical pop fare, but the rest >>of the album is fabulous. Those who doubt it's power, program your CD > >I may have misunderstood the intent of the topic, but I'll give my opinion anyway :) I don't think "Moonbeam" and "PGTW" are typical pop songs. They sound almost like lyrics to children's songs and the videos! (I am not saying they are bad, I love them!). I doubt a record company would let them release those songs instead of or before "O Sole Mio" and "Walk On Water". For the life of me I don't know why "Walk On Water" wasn't released. Now that sounds like a typical pop song. Maybe PGTW and Moonbeam were released because they were so different to their previously released songs? > >As for Ivan using profanity in his current album, I haven't read the lyrics yet but I will try to give my thoughts on the topic. I realized that the meaning of "Oh My G-d" is lost today. I've noticed people automatically use it without a second thought. I doubt they actually mean to use God's name in vain. Look at the "bloody" term. The origin is "by our Lady", meaning Mary, the Madonna. Today who actually acknowledges that? Personally, I lothe "Oh my G-d" and wish people would stop but being a linguist as hobby, I've noticed rerally it's "just an overused term" that lost it's meaning today. > >One more thing, about Ivan writing "2" instead of "to", I just remembered on the cassette of "PGTW" the lyrics to the song were written with symbols like 2, 4, a heart for love, the symbol of Earth for world. So I think maybe Ivan is just having some fun writing the lyrics that way. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 09:22:25 -0700 > > As for the reduction of words into numbers and letters. Ivan is doing > > this for a reason which may not be immediately obvious to us. > > Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did > this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing > until today, and was also well known for it. I just don't like the idea > that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap. > Unless it's a tribute or something. *shrug* A tribute!! Not likely. I have a theory that Ivan is rather disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is MOCKING it! For example Ivan's early work shows he believes in substance and meaning and not image. But PGTW is very heavily image driven. This was purposely done to draw our attention to this problem with pop music. The same goes for the lyrics of Spell. He is really over doing it, to the point where it makes you think (emphasize: "makes you think") how anybody could see this as being clever or intelligent. It's really commenting on the current sorry state of pop lyrics (and yet he manages to keep meaningful song throughout this mockery). And since your attention has been drawn to this problem of numbers and letters, guess what? It's working, isn't it? Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Woody Zenfell Subject: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 13:47:29 -0500 (CDT) 1) I ordered 2 CD's and got one of them so far. You're not alone. 2) A couple clarifications: By 'contempt' for the later albums I just meant a sort of 'unsatisfaction' :) with them for seeming somewhat less honest and more 'produced' than the FOTE trilogy. Contempt is doubtless too strong a word, so I tried to weaken it by putting it in quotes, but the sense of it is still kind of wrong. I do like almost all of PGTW, and think it's a really well-put-together album with every track a strong one. I also like a couple of the tracks on 21st c., and I maybe even kind of like 2 or so from Sideways. My problem is that the stuff starting at PGTW and continuing from there seems to be 'stifled' somehow by Ivan's changing of himself to form some image in an attempt to appeal to more people or seem 'deeper'. In fact I think this served to have the opposite effect on me - the early works have some sort of simple honesty that the rest don't; they're very believable and 'true'. As a result they seem very meaningful. The later works seem to be more flimsy surface in an attempt to be something that's not. They seem increasingly 'false' to me. I feel disappointed in the directions taken and ashamed when my friends see the video stuff and come away thinking MwH were just another 80's band, pretending to make some stand on some issue that was popular that year. For me the essence of MwH is the FOTE trilogy, and far too few people are willing or able to see that (I don't mean people on the list here; I mean non-MwH people) because there were so many more resources pumped into promoting the later images. I also dislike the '2' and '4' and '+' substitutes, mostly because I think of them as being very 'junior-high-school' phenomena. Maybe that's the direction someone is trying to take with Ivan's image now: bright colors, stars, and that bit. It's along the same lines as my previous paragraph. It's just too contrived. It seems like a transition happened around PGTW from being an 'innovator' to being an 'imitator'. Early MwH style or 'image' is difficult to nail down because it's so unique. It's much easier to 'classify' the later stuff. Anyway, enough griping for now :) Thanks for your patience. (or should I say thanx 4 ur patience.. no, I didn't think so.) Woody # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW Date: 01 May 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Eric Soderblom wrote: > What???? > How could someone suggest that there is something missing from PGTW? > And THEN to say that they became record company puppets? I think that > PGTW is one of the best produced albums I have ever come across, and > that it is Men Without Hats best (along with ROY). I will admit that > "Moonbeam" and "Pop Goes the World" are typical pop fare, but the rest > of the album is fabulous. Those who doubt it's power, program your CD > player to skip tracks 2 & 8, then judge for yourself. > > Eric > > > Finally, someone with balls enough to say that they truely love PGTW. Eric, I commend you. What, and this is a question to everyone, do you feel about "On Tuesday"? That song is held almost #1 in my heart. The flute, the message, the sadness, the joy, all combined into one beautiful song. ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugo Bugg" Subject: (hats) Batting Eyes Date: 01 May 1997 14:35:01 -0400 Hi i'm batting my eyes to IVANz lyrics. I don't get the hype. It's not like he said FUCK or SHIT or anything to that degree. I kinda wish he did. That F.P.O.S!! bugg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) The End Date: 01 May 1997 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 1 May 1997, Daniele Rossi wrote: > >(Which reminds me: I once recorded Freeways from 45 to cassette, and > >accidentally left the speed on 33. What I got was one of the neatest > >songs I've ever heard. Try it, and tell me what you think.) > > I have got to try that sometime! Which 45 is that on? > > >art in Pop just blows me away. The first time I heard Lose My Way I > >almost cried. Ditto for The End. Am I alone in this? Am I alone? > > I felt a little sad when I heard "The End (of the World)". I imagined the > people of the Earth celebrating (for some reason) the fact that Earth lasted > so long and all the things we accomplished. I pictured matadors, monkeys, > and a million balloons and everyone enjoying themselves. And even world > peace! What a picture Ivan painted. So of course I started to think about > how the world would actually end. How depressing. > > > > The End makes me cry as well. I will never forget my friend asking me,"what song is it that goes 'The end of the world." I looked at him and said "the end of the world." and he looke dat me and said "Where is it(on the cd)" and I simply said "the end" . But now he is dead and every time I hear that song, I cry and remember him and think, "Will we all meet again at the end of the world?" ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 15:29:30 -0400 Steven Enz wrote: > > > Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did > > this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing > > until today, and was also well known for it. I just don't like the idea > > that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap. > > Unless it's a tribute or something. *shrug* > > A tribute!! Not likely. I have a theory that Ivan is rather > disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is > MOCKING it! I have a theory that you're giving him entirely too much credit. If it was the case in one song, then I might buy it, but doing it across the whole album is another matter entirely. Besides, Prince wrote some of the most inspiring, playful, unusual and meaningful lyrics and music out there (for "pop" songs anyways), so to use his style to make a statement about the banality of pop music would be entirely inconsistent. > For example Ivan's early work shows he believes in > substance and meaning and not image. But PGTW is very heavily image > driven. This was purposely done to draw our attention to this problem > with pop music. Don't assume that everyone on this list accepts these assertions as fact. While _PGTW_ undeniably consists of a number of statements about pop culture, I think the only distinction between it and the first two albums is the obviousness and pervasiveness of those statements. > The same goes for the lyrics of Spell. He is really > over doing it, to the point where it makes you think (emphasize: "makes > you think") how anybody could see this as being clever or intelligent. > It's really commenting on the current sorry state of pop lyrics (and yet > he manages to keep meaningful song throughout this mockery). And since > your attention has been drawn to this problem of numbers and letters, > guess what? It's working, isn't it? Is it really too much to suggest that sometimes he writes serious songs and sometimes he writes silly songs? Not everything is part of a grand concept. The use of U's and 4's is, essentially, a cute idea that conceptually invokes Prince, and if it was used in only one song, I might see your point, but seeing as it's used in every song but one, I can't see how it could be making the statement you're suggesting. -- Adam J Weitzman "What is is, Individual, Inc. What is not is possible." weitzman@individual.com - Einstuerzende http://www.individual.com Neubauten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) substance vs. image Date: 01 May 1997 16:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Some of the more recent entries I've seen on this list have been talking about MWH early stuff vs. new stuff and substance vs. image. Let me first say that these are not mutually exclusive. While I, myself, like a song that has substance to it and carries a meaning that goes farther than lyrics like "I like big butts and I cannot lie...", image has its place. Images are very important in artistry and, in fact, is what much art is based on. All visual art (painting, sculpture, etc.) is based in image. Arts like the theatre often strive to portray images. Literature especially, which of course is where lyrics are based, and particularly poety, again where lyrics are often based, TRY to portray images. It might very well be that in shooting for images in some of the MWH work mentioned, some substance was lost. People aren't experts the first time they play with something. MWH might very well have been striving to achieve a balance between the two. I find music is best when it has substance and yet combines that with images that paint a picture or meaning in my mind. Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: * Subject: (hats) Re: [Fwd: (Bill's) Profanity/trashy language] Date: 01 May 1997 16:14:49 -0500 Bill writes: "in reality, trashy language merely shows a lack of vocabulary skills" maybe you could explain to us what "clean" lyrics are.... i guess Ivans "trashy lyrics" are... ummm... "dirty" ? Too Bad Ivans choice of lyrical content/expression "saddens" and "disgusts" you... ...can we say freedom of speech Bill ?!! R E L A X !!!! Wolfgang # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) > On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) BDay0000@aol.com writes: > >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one > >of us > >may own that we would never let out of our site. > What would I keep? Shit, I suppose, and in no certain order: 1. Madness -Mad Box 1- 2. Matthew Sweet -Supervixen- (Very rare) 3. Cure -Staring at the Sea- Kinda eclectic, huh? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) > > I do like almost all of PGTW, and think it's a really well-put-together > album with every track a strong one. I also like a couple of the tracks > on 21st c., and I maybe even kind of like 2 or so from Sideways. My > problem is that the stuff starting at PGTW and continuing from there seems > to be 'stifled' somehow by Ivan's changing of himself to form some image > in an attempt to appeal to more people or seem 'deeper'. In fact I think > this served to have the opposite effect on me - the early works have some > sort of simple honesty that the rest don't; they're very believable and > 'true'. As a result they seem very meaningful. The later works seem to > be more flimsy surface in an attempt to be something that's not. They > seem increasingly 'false' to me. I feel disappointed in the directions > taken and ashamed when my friends see the video stuff and come away > thinking MwH were just another 80's band, pretending to make some stand > on some issue that was popular that year. For me the essence of MwH is > the FOTE trilogy, and far too few people are willing or able to see that > (I don't mean people on the list here; I mean non-MwH people) because > there were so many more resources pumped into promoting the later images. Who is to say what is Ivan's true honesty in his writing? Maybe his true self is much deeper than what he lets on to others. I mean, hey, I am an English major going into the field of teaching creative writing (especially poetry), and if you look at my earlier stuff, sure it is decent, but as compared to what I have written lately, it holds no feather. What i am writing now IS deep, IS honest to myself, and IS like what Ivan wrote in PGTW. Did you ever think that something may have happened in his life that caused him to reflect back on his own inner self and realize where his mind must take him? > > I also dislike the '2' and '4' and '+' substitutes, mostly because I > think of them as being very 'junior-high-school' phenomena. Maybe that's > the direction someone is trying to take with Ivan's image now: bright > colors, stars, and that bit. It's along the same lines as my previous > paragraph. It's just too contrived. > I agree there, however. > It seems like a transition happened around PGTW from being an 'innovator' > to being an 'imitator'. Early MwH style or 'image' is difficult to nail > down because it's so unique. It's much easier to 'classify' the later stuff. > Imitating, hardly. Albeit "Pop Goes the World" and "Moonbeam" did sort of become a sell-out to the conformity of Pop Culture in sound and style, but not in emotion or depth. Imitating, yeah right. ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: Re: (hats) Profanity Date: 01 May 1997 16:58:13 +0000 [Laura dons her flame-retardant suit] Hmm, I'm no religion major, but ... Judge not lest ye be judged and/or Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ??? First, let me say I respect Bill's convictions and would not deny him the strength that he finds in his belief system. But I will add that Ivan is an *artist* after all, and I feel his works should be viewed/heard in context and as a whole rather than judged on the basis of the inclusion of one or two words or images or symbols. :-) Forever and ever, Laura... supporter of the First Amendment (which, as the architect of both North Carolina's US History and Civics tests, I would like to point out includes both freedom of speech and free exercise of religion) and the Arts even though I live in the Land O Jesse [Helms] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jackson Subject: (hats) Looks Like I Got My Wish Date: 01 May 1997 16:42:16 -0400 Hello, again everyone! I think I got my wish of having the digestified version of this list sent out on a daily basis (almost). Yup, lots of discussion going on here! That's good to see. As for the one or so CD I would grab if my house were going up in flames? I'd have to think about that one. I like so many... I would definitely grab the 2-4-1 CD (how's THAT for emulating Prince? ;-) That reminds me: I only recently got Folk of the Eighties (Part III) on vinyl. I wanted to record it on tape, but I couldn't find a record player that worked, and for the longest time, I thought that it was just the record player making the voices sound funny in "Mother's Opinion"... ("Sounds familiar, but it doesn't sound the same..." - how silly of me!) Either that, or Carl's tape deck or CD player had the same problem as my record player... Steve -- voice:404-876-3209 x104 | "We're here a short while, fax:404-876-3809 | And a long time gone." mailto:sj@synchrologic.com | - "One Armed Frank" http://www.synchrologic.com | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: (hats) Re: [Fwd: (Bill's) Profanity/trashy language] Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT On Thu, 01 May 1997 16:14:49 -0500 * writes: >Too Bad Ivans choice of lyrical content/expression "saddens" and >"disgusts" you... > >...can we say freedom of speech Bill ?!! > >R E L A X !!!! Ummm...isn't that sort of contradictory? Bill has the freedom to speak out against it too. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT On Thu, 1 May 1997 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Turtle writes: > >> On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) BDay0000@aol.com writes: >> >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each >one >> >of us >> >may own that we would never let out of our site. >> >What would I keep? Shit, I suppose, and in no certain order: > >1. Madness -Mad Box 1- > >2. Matthew Sweet -Supervixen- (Very rare) > >3. Cure -Staring at the Sea- Staring at the Sea? Wasn't that the video compilation? Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: RE: (hats) quick straw poll... Date: 01 May 1997 16:31:43 UT I'm still waiting for mine and I mailed my cash directly to Thomas back in February I think. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll... Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT I got only one of the two I ordered. Rod [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Hey Hats List, I've been following the topics, and I've noticed that people are commenting on early versus late MWH, influences, and so forth. Here's a few things to think about. I'd like to hear what people say. 1) In "Pop Goes the World," right after Ivan sings, "In some disco dancing all night," there is an electronic octave beep that is taken from the extended version of "The Safety Dance." 2) In "Life After Diamond Head," isn't that the same sliding, up-and-down, electronic line from "The End of the World"? 3) On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles singing "Can't Buy Me Love"? 4) Is the Mike Scott who co-produced "Sideways" the Mike Scott from The Waterboys? 5) And, finally, Dave Turtle. You're going to be a creative writing professor? So am I. I'm at SUNY Binghamton in Binghamton, NY, and I'm halfway through the MA Creative Writing Program. What's it like at Morehead St.? Is that where you are? Where's Morehead St., anyway? Do you like it there? SUNY Binghamton's kind of weird. Most of the creative writing seminars I've been involved in are less like reading your work to a class and a professor and more like jumping into a pirahna pool with a side of beef over your head. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: (hats) Cd's in the Mail Date: 01 May 1997 23:13:23 UT Mere hours after I said I hadn't received my CD, it showed up in the mail!!! THANKS A MILLION THOMAS AND LAURA!!!!!!! Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 01 May 1997 19:39:01 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-01 00:13:53 EDT, you write: << One thing about the new Ivan album that bothers me is the way the number "2" is used for "to" in the lyrics. Reminds me of Prince or something... >> That's what I thought! I usually don't have too much of a problem with things like that, but I copied the lyrics over to a text file and switched the 2s and u's back to standard English. Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: (hats) religion and albums Date: 01 May 1997 19:46:54 -0400 (EDT) i have to agree with the person that was dissappointed with the negative religious comments in ivan's newer works. i think he makes his point better without it. that doesnt mean i dont think there is an occasional use for a occasional off-color word to set a tone (re: title track from o.m.d.'s "crush" lp.) but it doesnt work very well in the context of these new songs. (2) i am surprised how different my tastes are then some others in the group about favorites. i love sideways, p.g.t.w., freeways, and the first one. i cannot even listen to adventures, and folk. i have warmed to everything but these. (3) if i had three cds on an island it would be gary numan "dream corrosion", nitzer ebb "showtime", and bryan ferry "in your mind". michael # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 20:25:25 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 1 May 1997 bf20511@binghamton.edu wrote: > I've been following the topics, and I've noticed that people are > commenting on early versus late MWH, influences, and so forth. Here's a > few things to think about. I'd like to hear what people say. > 1) In "Pop Goes the World," right after Ivan sings, "In some disco > dancing all night," there is an electronic octave beep that is taken from > the extended version of "The Safety Dance." Yep, a well known fact. > 2) In "Life After Diamond Head," isn't that the same sliding, > up-and-down, electronic line from "The End of the World"? Dunno about this one. I'll have to re-listen. > 3) On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles > singing "Can't Buy Me Love"? Yep, the title of the song was a play on the Beatles song. It seems that Ivan or someone thought they were singing KenBarbieLove when he first heard it. > Where's Morehead St., anyway? Morehead, KY +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Home page: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff Date: 01 May 1997 21:59:59 EDT On Thu, 1 May 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) writes: > 3) On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles >singing "Can't Buy Me Love"? > 4) Is the Mike Scott who co-produced "Sideways" the Mike Scott >from >The Waterboys? Weird...I wondered the same thing(s) only two days ago... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2 Date: 01 May 1997 21:35:12 -0700 > > A tribute!! Not likely. I have a theory that Ivan is rather > > disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is > > MOCKING it! > > I have a theory that you're giving him entirely too much credit. "Theory" is a poor choice of words. Fact is, Ivan IS disappointed with the state of pop AND I can't give him enough credit for trying to bring about a change in what WE demand and expect from a pop artist. I agree with the person who said that using 2, U and 4 is the equivalent of an adolecent mindset (high school). No artist with any real sense of art would stoop to using this in the hopes that they would finally make it big!! Not today!! > If it was the case in one song, then I might buy it, but doing it across the > whole album is another matter entirely. Why not? I think it's called a theme or a motiff, yes? Some artists actually have an attention span that lasts longer than one song, trust me! > While _PGTW_ undeniably consists of a number of statements about > pop culture, I think the only distinction between it and the first two > albums is the obviousness and pervasiveness of those statements. I don't disagree. Never the less, Ivan is disappointed with the current level of intelligence in pop culture. > Is it really too much to suggest that sometimes he (Ivan) writes serious > songs and sometimes he writes silly songs? This IS too much too ask! Fun songs with some substance, yes. Silly, no! > The use of U's and 4's is, essentially, a cute idea Cute no. Silly yes! Is it too hard to accept that Ivan might be exceptionally gifted and intelligent and is not suffering from anmesia of his integrity!! But is presenting new ways to express his ideas without hitting us on the head with them? A song called "I hate the use of the letter U for 'you'." is not especially appealing! And one song would not get anyone thinking the way an entire album does. last point - Doesn't Ivan's cover scream parody (read: mockery)?! I initially thought it was a cover for "The best of the 70's" or "Disco Dancin' Groovin' Tunes"!!! It's obvious to me that Ivan is mocking the infatuation that pop culture has had for the "image". It's a continuation from using the snowman, elvis impersonator, and magician costumes to pretend to be something bigger than they are. Kinda' reminds me of KISS! Such cooool costumes, they're my heros! (No offence to KISS fans who actually like the band for any real art they may have done.) BTW this kind of mockery is one of the reasons that makes PGTW the masterpiece that it is! Even the lipsynching was a blatant joke about bands that do it seriously. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SODERBLOM@webtv.net (Eric Soderblom) Subject: (hats) ??? Date: 01 May 1997 20:41:18 -0700 Hey all, Wow, I am so happy to see that our little MWH mailing list has turned out to be a forum for religious and ethical debates! The poor guy (Ivan) says a couple of bad words, and all of a sudden he's Satan. I think those of you who don't like his use of profanity should NOT LISTEN TO THE MUSIC, and go check out www.christian-coalition.org. Ok, off my soapbox. The 3 CD's I would bring on a desert island are; 1) Michael Jackson "Bad" 2) John Tesh "Live at Red Rocks" 3) Tiffany "Tiffany" HA!!!!!!!! :-) Peace, Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 00:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Well, obviously the 2fer is pertinear the top of my list of CDs I own that I wouldn't let go of for any price. Then there's my Syd Barrett box set, "Crazy Diamond" which is, sadly, no longer in print. And my blinking LED copy of Pink Floyd's "Pulse". But really, the most highly prized recording I own is not on compact disc that I know of - John Lennon's & Yoko Ono's "Wedding Album" LP/box with all the trimmings! I looked for it for well over a decade before I finally got to even *see* one - and that's the one I own! When I get to the point where I can burn my own CDs, you can bet that's one of the first albums I'm gwanna backup! Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Stuff Date: 02 May 1997 00:16:32 -0400 (EDT) I checked out the www.toxrecords.com site today and listened to the soundclip of the new Ivan track! It really was exciting to finally hear him sounding as if he's put his old original uniform back on! It's a must have for me! Although I think Ivan looks a little bit like a cross between Bono "The Fly" and Deee-Lite. Don't you think? And... You'll have to search far and wide to find a bigger John Lennon fan than me but I will have to say that the whitewash job that's been given to his 1966 statement about Christianity and the Beatles really offends me. He didn't just say "We're more popular than Jesus." Read up on it and find out all of what he said. It was completely uncalled for, I think. Although I would never have gone to a Beatle bonfire because of it. I think everybody's actions on that particular issue were all quite stupid, John's included. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Oh yes, I forgot. I also have the only copy of The Beatles (White Album) in *mono* on compact disc. The US never got it in mono and it has never been officially released on CD in mono either. The quality of the mono pirate I have is phenomenal and sounds equally as good as the real stero oops/ stereo copy I also have. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Pop Art Date: 02 May 1997 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT) The assessment of the MWH albums I just read is correct. Sorry I can't directly quote it with this editor I'm using. The first 3 discs are excellent in their own right but Pop Goes The World is the Hats' finest work of *art*. There's no question about it. Also, in one of the interviews towards the end of the fansmade video from late last year, Ivan describes PGTW as being his own sort of "Sgt. Pepper" and that it was the first time MWH had actually been able to spend a serious amount of time/money making a really serious album. After PGTW however, I dunno. I've not heard "Sideways" yet except for the title track from its being included on the video compilation. I kinda like it and if the rest of the record isn't too different from what I've heard, I think it will be one I can be proud of owning. But I thank the Lord my God that he's finally gotten back into the higher-tech modus operandi. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) On Tuesday Date: 02 May 1997 00:50:47 -0400 (EDT) I have long considered "On Tuesday" to be the absolute best song on PGTW. That and "The Real World" really grab my attention. And how did Ivan manage to persuade Ian Anderson to play flute for him on his album?! I mean, I'm no Jethro Tull fanatic, but I do find it to be a rather interesting choice of persons to invite to perform. And why isn't he heard anywhere else on the album too? Another prized possession of mine is the 12x5 coverart photo card thingy that came in the original packaging surrounding my copy of PGTW when I bought it the day immediately following the Hats concert here in Tulsa in May '88. I've always kept it so that the next time I meet Ivan I can hopefully get him to sign the back of it. Then I can put it with the RoY and Fot80s LPs he signed for me the first time around! Mke oops/ Myke http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 01 May 1997 22:53:22 -0700 > Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one of us > may own that we would never let out of our site. I've mentioned this before but I don't mind elaborating a bit. My autographed PGTW means alot to me because it will always hold the memory of meeting Ivan and chatting with one of the most sincere of persons I have ever met. I talked to him just before he performed one of his Sideways concerts and after discussing guitars verses sythesizers, he promised that his next album would be electronic. (See one of my postings about a year ago.) We shook hands and as I walked away he gave me the peace sign with his hand and said "Peace Brother". It might sound a little corny but it meant alot to me because, in my eyes, I had finally met the friend I had known for almost a decade before that. This CD goes with me to my grave. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL MILLER Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll... Date: 02 May 1997 01:25:31 -0400 At 18:29 4/30/97 -0400, Jeff Schacter wrote: >How many people who ordered CD's from Thomas have not yet received theirs? > I'm still waiting (patiently) for my CD as well. Mike Miller mmiller@history.ufl.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: RE: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 05:47:34 UT I thought about taking my Beatles Christmas Album CD bootleg, but then thought I would only really want to listen to it once a year so that would be a waste (but I would probably grab it in a fire). So my 'desert isle' CDs would be: 1. ROY/Folk3 2. Alice In Chains - Tripod 3. Alice Cooper - From The Inside Myke: I had the original British mono White Album at one point in my life...love the little differences, don't you? In fact, I'm sure I still have a cassette of it around somewhere. I'll have to dig out those old boxes. Also...speaking of the Wedding Album, I had a Japanese pressing of that, too. Isn't that the one with 20 minutes of silence (or am I thinking of Two Virgins)? Amazing what one sells when addicted to drugs :( Everyone else: Sorry for the off-topic post. Not like me. -Russ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 02 May 1997 00:30:15 -0700 > I'm a big, big KISS fan! Although I'm having a bit of trouble > understanding your comments about their intentions by wearing costumes. > I think KISS is the ultimate combination of style and substance. > Without the style, their substance suffered. But look at what has > happened when it returned! Yet their art has not changed at all. > > Myke And if your a fan because you find their art enlightning and meaningful then I respect that! If, however, their costumes have dazzeled you into wanting to be just like them when you grow up. Perhaps to be a rich and famous rock star that'll blow audiences away with one stroke of your guitar. Then something is missing. In this case, you've missed the enlightenment, wisdom, and communication from one human to another. You've missed the constructive ideas and thoughts that might make the world a better place. You've missed the opportunity to understand someone a little different from you. All because you're so focused on that flashy image that'll make you popular with the guys! Who is at fault? The rock star who is constantly rewarded by screaming fans or the fans who don't care about enlightenment, wisdom or communicating? Where does it end and who will end it??? My 3 cents CAN. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: RE: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 08:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Everyone, If I were on a desert isle, I'd take my wife and leave all our music behind, get into a few good books, go heavy on the sunblock, and learn how to live on sailfish and coconut milk. But if everyone pressed me to take along some CDs, I wouldn't be able to limit myself to three. So here's my list: 1) MWH Oglio 2-for-1. It would have to come along. I'm still amazed at the charitable, selfless, altruistic work of Carl, Laura, and Thomas. I mean think about it. $25 for world class pop right to your door? I'm loving it, baby. Having this on a desert isle would make me think of all the good things in life, good music, good people helping you out. 2) Wire Train--Ten Women 3) Cock Robin--After Here Through Midland, First Love/Last Rites (If they were in print anywhere and I could buy them) 4) The Reivers--Saturday, End of the Day, Translate Slowly (If they were in print anywhere and I could buy them) 5) The Waterboys--This Is the Sea 6) MWH--Pop Goes the World. I'd take this one because I agree with everyone on the list who says that it's a great pop album. It's a landmark pop album. PGTW is like zero on the pop timeline, and every other form of pop is going off into infinity in either direction. It also reminds me of my senior prom because I almost didn't get a date that year but thankfully wound up going with this great Australian girl named Kez who moved to town three days before the prom. At the prom, which was held in the old junior high gymnasium (matadors, monkeys, and a million balloons), they played "Pop Goes the World," and immediately I shouted for joy, grabbed Kez's hand, and ran out onto the completely empty basketball floor, dancing for all I was worth in my ivory tux and pink ruffled shirt. Unfortunately, I was met with a chorus of boos and hisses. Later, to the tune of Billy Squier's "Everybody Wants You," the deejay told me they weren't hissing at me, just the song. Well, Kez went back to surfing in Sydney, and I ended up in Binghamton, New York, as a graduate student in the English program. And here, I'm glad to say that no such heinous displays of musical prejudice exist. It's a place where you can dance if you want to, a place where White Lion's "When the Children Cry" can still be heard coming from every passing Ford Pinto, and where I still have to drive for eight hours to get the music I like. Either that or e-mail my buddy Thomas in Germany. Deutschland, ueber alles in der Welt! Speaking of desert isles . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) tachyon days? Date: 02 May 1997 11:09:18 +0000 Hi everyone! If you've noticed weird times on my posts, as Thomas did, don't worry, the Temporal Police won't be banging down my door soon. We had a server glitch, which I think they have finally fixed. Now it's only 4 days until "The Spell is broken"... ;-) Laura ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Forwarded message: > From owner-hats@xmission.com Thu May 1 19:03 MET 1997 > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:38:43 +0000 > [snip] THAT's cool! Leeeet's do the tiiiiiiime warp again . . . ;-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) On Tuesday Date: 02 May 1997 11:18:12 -0500 LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote: > > And how did Ivan manage to persuade Ian Anderson to play flute for him Here is the story. While Yvan is in Britain recording PGTW, he send a tape of ON TUESDAY to Anderson asking him if he could play flute on it (in the chorus part). Anderson accepted and arrived in studio, having written the flute part we now all know. The interresting part is: Yvan was wandering how much Ian Anderson would charge for this performance. He tough Anderson might either do it for free (being so rich) or for a lot a cash (being so popular and famous). Well, he charged flat rate! Yvan was positively impressed... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Wendt" Subject: RE: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 02 May 1997 09:29:02 +0200 Marty wrote: >There is extreme genius in ROY & FOTE I & III, but the level of sheer >art in Pop just blows me away. The first time I heard Lose My Way I >almost cried. Ditto for The End. Am I alone in this? Am I alone? No, Marty, you are not alone. I also tend to think of Pop as the peak of MWH material. It is really genious. I think of it as a brilliant journey into sound, melodies, production etc. I simply think of it as one of the best ever produced, and I don't really believe it is intended as pure flirtation with the public opinion. As a matter of fact I don't care if it is flirtation, when the result is so perfect. I believe that FOTE III were more flirtatious than Pop were. The song "Where do the boys go" is a natural follower of ROY, and was sent to the market in a rather short time after the success of ROY. Not so And, Marty, of course you're right once again when you say that there is extreme genius in ROY and FOTE III (when it comes to FOTE I, I've never heard it). Both these albums have good lyrics and fine melodies. There is no doubt about that. Quick poll: What CD's are my most precious ? ( alas - difficult to get hold of) 1.....MWH - Pop goes the world 2.....MWH - ROY/FOTE III 3.....Neil Arthur - Suitcase 4.....Data - Accumulator 5.....F.R. David - Words 6.....Thompson Twins - Quick step and side kick 7.....Indochine - Le peril jaune 8.....The Twins - A wild romance 9.....Trans X - Living on video 10...Ryan Paris - Dolce Vita (EP) 11...Nasa - In the mist of time 12...Roxette - Pearls of passion 13...Gentlemen Without Weapons - Transmissions __________________________________________________________________ Lars Wendt Internet: lars.wendt@nextel.no Oslo, Norway _________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SINSFDWF@Admin.UH.EDU Subject: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 02 May 1997 10:43:13 -0500 (CDT) Hi all, The recent talk about which is better, PGTW or the older stuff, got me thinking again about why I like the earlier stuff the most. For me I think part of the reason is that that was my introduction to the band and that's all I heard for many years. I bought the Safety Dance 45 way back in Junior High and played the hell^H^Hck (oops - wouldn't want to offend anyone :) out of it. A few years later a friend brought a MWH tape in the car on one of our frequent summer forays to the movie theater. He'd taped FOT80s pt. III and ROY onto one 90 minute tape and I was floored. I've never had so many songs stuck in my head at once as I did after hearing that tape for the first time. So I dubbed a copy from him and played the heck out of it. Off I went to college a couple years later, where I bought my own copies of the albums, made another tape, and played the heck out of it. Then I found the FOT80s I ep and Freeways which I thought were way cool (Security is usually my favorite MWH song) which filled out the ends of the tape nicely and provided a nice surprise for my friend the next time I saw him. PGTW came out and I saw the video on MTV. Wasn't too impressed and didn't rush out to buy it. Gave 21st Century a listen in a used cd store some time later and again didn't think it sounded like MWH "should". Of course, I eventually came around and now have everything I've been able to get my grubby little hands on, but the early stuff is still my favorite, no doubt in part because of the many fond memories I have of listening to (and singing along with) my old tapes. So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but were then amazed by the follow-up? I know this "first exposure" thing doesn't always hold up, but it does for many of the bands I've liked over the years including R.E.M., XTC and The Reivers. But it doesn't for Concrete Blonde, Metallica or Bad Religion so what can I say. Quite a lot, apparently... :) Doug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 02 May 1997 17:52:47 +0200 (MET DST) > Quick poll: > > What CD's are my most precious ? ( alas - difficult to get hold of) > 1.....MWH - Pop goes the world > 2.....MWH - ROY/FOTE III Do you really think so? It is in print, so why should it be rare? I still have a bunch of copies at home, so if you want one . . . > [...] > 12...Roxette - Pearls of passion Ooops, there's a bootlegged version out which is available everywhere here in Germany. I also own an original copy ;-) Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 02 May 1997 11:08:20 -0700 > So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak > of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their > collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but > were then amazed by the follow-up? I've been a follower of MWH since before Safety Dance hit any chart! I also believe that PGTW is THE best album ever, followed closely by ROY. Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 02 May 1997 10:30:50 -0700 > > > So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak > > of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their > > collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but > > were then amazed by the follow-up? > Well, I've posted about this before, but I think "... In The 21st Century" was their peak. "21st" just has so many levels to all the songs, and the music is so lush and rich... it continues to blow me away. But my favorite MWH song is "Bright Side Of The Sun", off of "Pop Goes The World". Counting down to May 6, Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 02 May 1997 11:51:00 -0700 > > What, more specifically, are you talking about? > > Myke Well, if the emphasis on image gets to a point where it hides, masks or even replaces the basic communication (and/or art) of one person (the artist) to another (the fan), then the world is a poorer place. Why? Because, the last thing we need is more barriers preventing each of us from understanding each other. Have you ever tried to communicate with someone who has an "image" to take care of? To quote Roger Waters, it's like "banging your heart on some mad bugger's wall". I don't kmow how else to put it, my friend. :) Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW Date: 02 May 1997 14:23:04 -0400 (EDT) >Finally, someone with balls enough to say that they truely love PGTW. >Eric, I commend you. What, and this is a question to everyone, do you >feel about "On Tuesday"? That song is held almost #1 in my heart. The >flute, the message, the sadness, the joy, all combined into one beautiful >song. I like (no pun intended!) PGTW album also. The reason? All the songs "fit" so perfectly! And I like the messages in them (the environment, etc). But most of all the instruments and style are so unconventional (like the flute, the melody of "Jenny Wore Black", "La Valise D'Eugiene"). Actually I haven't noticed it before, that album is SO DIFFERENT from the other pop albums and songs reelased in 1987. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jackson Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 02 May 1997 14:52:18 -0400 ElKrupla@aol.com wrote: > ... I copied the lyrics over to a text file and > switched the 2s and u's back to standard English. > > Dave K Yeah, and I'll bet you like Ted Turner's colorized movies, too, eh? ;-) Steve -- voice:404-876-3209 x104 | "We're here a short while, fax:404-876-3809 | And a long time gone." mailto:sj@synchrologic.com | - "One Armed Frank" http://www.synchrologic.com | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Myke Carter Subject: (hats) Direct from www.kabalarians.com Date: 02 May 1997 15:26:26 -0500 Ivan Your first name of Ivan brings out individuality and independence as predominant characteristics. You are not inclined to merge your opinions and viewpoints with others, to accept compromise, or to work in a subservient position against your will. Your expression is invariably quite direct and candid, and lacks the moderating tone of tact, diplomacy, and friendliness. Others find it difficult to accept your domineering and, at times, argumentative manner. Your circle of friends is restricted to those of like nature. Once friendship is established, you are very loyal and steadfast and do not tolerate gossip or criticism. In your close associations and family life, there is little demonstration of sentiment, appreciation, sympathy, or encouragement. It is difficult for you to find the right words for such circumstances. Your name also gives you self-confidence, initiative, and an inclination to physical activity. Weaknesses in the health caused by this name centre in the head. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gbrunger@erienet.net Subject: (Fwd) RE: (hats) Prized Possessions Date: 02 May 1997 20:51:22 +0000 Forwarded message: These are a few CD's that I just could not live without: Altered Images-Pinky Blue: This is the ultimate New Wave album full of fun and quirky songs with a surprisingly negative lyrical slant to contrast the bouncy music. A must for any music lover (although sadly now deleted, again.) The Three O'Clock-Sixteen Tambourines: This is another early eighties gem only recently discoved, full of catchy 60's influenced eighties alternapop. Toyah-The Very Best of Toyah: This recently released collection contains many of her great singles and a number of essential album tracks that cover her more poppy sound and her ultra bizarre sound with evident influences by Nina Hagen, Lene Lovich, Siouxsie, and Hazel O'Connor. If any of you out there like any of these four you'll love Toyah! I can't list the 2 on 1 since I don't have one yet, CARL!!! Scott Davies # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Pop My First? No! Date: 02 May 1997 21:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Hey Doug, I remember hearing "The Safety Dance" in the summer of The Great Year 1983 for the first time while mopping the floor after closing time at the restaurant for which I worked. There was a Who / Frank Zappa fan named Dan who also worked there. He really hated the new music of that time. The radio in the dining room was on rather loudly and when it was over I heard Dan say something derogatory (?) about it. When I asked him who it was, he said it was "Men Without..." (and grabbing the paper hat off of his head and throwing it up in the air) "...HATS!!!" It was funny because you could tell he was just annoyed by the song to no end! When he threw his hat in the air, he kinda looked like that Swiss Miss in the video when she says "Dansez!". That was really a magic time for Top 40 music in America even though I wasn't really destined to realize that for two more years. (For more on that, access: http://people.delphi.com/mykec/coolstory.html) I remember that "The Safety Dance" and "Puttin' On The Ritz" were out at the exact same time. I only wish now that I had realized at the time just how much fun I was actually having but wasn't allowing myself to really enjoy. Anyway, about a year later I discovered that the girl across the street had the "The Safety Dance" 45 and I borrowed it - only to find that my favourite SSSS AAAA FFFF EEEE TTTT YYYY part wasn't on it! I was so disappointed. In 1986, I was browsing thru the cutout rack at a mall record shop near my home and found an Italian import copy of RoY on Statik and vinyl for only around $2 or $3. I bought it immediately. When I finally got to hear the whole album, I was so surprised by the sheer crudeness of the drum machines and keyboards that it took me quite a few listenings to really learn to like it. It also didn't help much to know that nobody else I knew knew anything about MWH - so I was making all of this discovery purely on my own and that can slow the process sometimes. I later found a cutout (US, this time) of Fot80s, III ibon vinyl but wasn't very quick to catch on to what it was all about either. My impressions of this album today are considerably higher, especially now that I can hear it when I walk around downtown where I work with it blasting from my DiscMan. When PGTW was released as a single, I was excited to see them finally chart again in the US. I used to tape the new hits each week on American Top 40 with Casey Kasem back then and still have the tape I made of the first time I ever heard it. Casey, with one of his typically corny pre-commercial break teasers called them "Dudes With No Chapeaus". (If anybody wants a copy of this tape, email me and we'll work something out. It is a kind of rare tidbit of MWH history - the first time AT40 played PGTW.) I liked the song quite a bit was not in any hurry to rush out and buy it. (This was years before I discovered this list you must realize!) :-) Three months later Ivan and Co. came to Tulsa to play his new stuff for us. (http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.html) I managed to get Ivan's autograph on both my Statik RoY and US Fot80s,III LP covers that night. The next night I did rush right out and buy my "Pop Goes The World" CD. The show was amazing! I couldn't believe how much better the quality of the production was over anything else I'd heard from them before. And the melodies! And the punchy drums and bass on "The Real World" and "O Sole Mio"!! Fantastic! I couldn't get enough of it. I used to do some small time DJ work back then too. The biggest shows I ever got to do were a couple of high school dances in one of the small peripheral towns around Tulsa. But I was sure from then on to always open every show I did with the Pop Goes The World CD intro!!! It was great! Of course, I'd have to switch over to a really good start song when the kid starts pitter pattering across the floor so as not to lose all that built up momemtum though. It was a great, powerful intro and I could tell a lot of them didn't know what it was I was playing but they loved it nonetheless. It was a different way to begin an evening I'll tell ya. I also was certain to also buy brand new copies of "PGTW" and "Moonbeam" on 12" when they were released. I was really surprised to see that "Moonbeam" was never to chart in the US Top 40. I've always considered it the better of the two songs. America is weird when it comes to good pop music. I never even knew "It21C" was released until early in 1991 when I went to a guys house and saw it in amongst his sizeable CD collection. I jokingly offered to buy it from him, but he seriously replied I could have it for $5. No matter how many times I've tried to get myself to like it though, I have never succeeded. I didn't know anything about "Sideways" until late last year when I joined this list. I feel very lucky that I joined when I did, 'cuz now I have my own copies of the video compilation and the 3CD set which to this day completely blow me away! And I also now have the 2fer and will have Ivan's new CD as soon as I can figure out how to get it next week! The thing that fascinates me most about all of this and being a member of this list in 1997 is how sincere the fans in here are and how much, now that I look back at all the 80s music I ever came to know and love, the music of Men Without Hats is for me that which has endured the most. It's almost like I've been living in Hatsfandom by myself for so long that it caused me to downplay the importance of Ivan's music in my life, but now that I've found the rest of you and have realized that I'm not alone in it anymore I feel as if no time has passed and Roy, Fot80s, and PGTW are all some absolutely excellent brand new music to listen to and fall in love with all over again! And this is 1997, not 1987!! Anyway, I didn't mean to turn this into a streams-of-consciousnes rambling about my life's experience with Hats music but it seems to have turned into it! No Doug, Pop was clearly not my first Hats music to discover. But there is no question in my mind that it is the finest they ever did. It's just like The Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's" to me. It's the pinnacle of their career as album artists, but it's not the only great work they ever recorded either. I think it's the cohesive nature of the whole thing that makes it so appealing - and the maturity of the production. Ramble Off. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: F-Man Subject: (hats) Fblawat@CUNA.COM no longer valid Date: 03 May 1997 00:54:47 -0700 Hi everyone, I'm back on the list after my work E-Mail system has completely shut-down. Those of you that I have written to might remember Fblawat@CUNA.COM. Please send E-Mail now to Cunablawat@worldnet.att.net Good News! I finally received my 2-for-1 MWH cd's from Germany!!! :) I was getting worried. Thanks again. Thanks, Francois -- F-Man E-Mail: Cunablawat@worldnet.att.net) URL: http://www.Geocities.com/Area51/7739 ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Draper Subject: (hats) 3CD Bootleg Set Date: 03 May 1997 04:41:02 -0600 So far 12 people have responded to my offer to burn copies of the 3 CD bootleg set that went around awhile ago. If anybody else is interested please email me at hats@maple.qtm.net. The more people we get the cheaper the blank CDs will be. I still, however, need to borrow copies of the discs burn from. Please, if anyone is willing to loan their discs to me send me an email. I'll copy and send them back out to you within a day. If you want an extra set made I'll do that for you at no charge. Thanks, todd Todd Draper - South Bend, IN - todd@qtm.net - http://www.qtm.net/~todd ______________________________________________________________________ Maple Studios Web Page Design and Mac Consulting -- info@maple.qtm.net ______________________________________________________________________ Do you believe in Macintosh? Subscribe to EvangeList, a listserver for Macintosh fans. For instructions send email to . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New Date: 03 May 1997 10:18:27 EDT On Fri, 02 May 1997 11:08:20 -0700 Steven Enz writes: >> So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak >> of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their >> collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but >> were then amazed by the follow-up? > >I've been a follower of MWH since before Safety Dance hit any chart! I >also believe that PGTW is THE best album ever, followed closely by >ROY. > >Senz I've followed them from the beginning...but my favorites are in the order of release. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 10:13:11 -0700 > >9.....Trans X - Living on video > > Speaking of Trans-X. After having the CD for quite some time now...I have > to say that the 1983 album versions of most of the songs are a lot better > than the 1986 redone versions on the CD. The former sound more raw and > less produced and just plain better. ANyone else have these two and feel > the same way? I would love to see Oglio records release the very first > version of Living on Video. > > Rod Rod!! We agree on something!!! ;) I was definately disappointed with the new "3D Dance" and the elimination of the bass voice especially. I had hoped to put my L.P. version to rest once I got the CD. Wrong! The CD, as you say, feels more contrived. The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 03 May 1997 10:41:30 -0700 > Hmmm... I'm still confused by exactly how you're applying what you're > saying to KISS and their costumes. Are you dogging them for doing it? > > Or those fans of theirs who choose to look no further than the image? > I'm afraid I can't lay blame on anyone for what society perpetuates. > What exactly is it that you derive from KISS' career and music, just > out of curiosity? I derive nothing, which may or may not be a shame. I simply find it easier to understand artists like Ivan, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush and Gary Numan than to dig through 16 layers of image to possibly find the real thing. And if you think I'm missing out on KISS, then blame "image" not KISS! > Also, that's the first time I've ever heard anybody attempt to make any > sense from the lyrics of "Outside The Wall"! They're so ambiguous, I've > never been able to figure out exactly what they're saying - and especially > in relation to the awesome story that precedes it. Whats the mystery? The singer has an ego problem. His "image" prevents anyone from getting to know or understand him. He feels isolated and misunderstood. His "image", ie. "The Wall" prevents anyone from getting inside. Tear down the wall.... > "The Wall" is rock's finest hour. > > Myke It's a good album isn't it? Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oglio Entertainment Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 16:20:39 -0700 > The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to > rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference? Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: (hats) track 9 Date: 03 May 1997 17:35:25 -0700 Hey. This may be a stupid question (admittedly it wouldn't be my first) but: Does anyone know the name of track 9 on "The Adventures of Women & Men ..." (1:10 between I'm In Love and Eloise & I). Thanks. Rod Los Angeles theartdept@worldnet.att.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 19:47:43 -0700 >> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to >> rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? > >Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference? > >Carl > Hello. I have the original version on a German import cd single. It is 5:58 copyright 1983 Polydor International. It says licenced from Mantra Records (which is in Toronto but I'm sure you know that). It is also on a 1994 cd called 80's Dance Party Volume 1 from SPG in Toronto (technically Etobicoke). This version is also 5:58. There is a French version called Vivre sur Video which is exactly the same but the vocals are in French. These two versions came out at the same time (1983) as side a and b of a 12". The remix version came out a couple years later and is much more choppy (and terrible imho). There is a completely different sound and feel to it. If you need info on these companies feel free to contract me. While I have your attention, I wanted to point out how impressed I was when I bought Richard Blade's Flashback Favorites Vol 6 with Shriekback's "Nemesis" on it. I don't know if you know this, but the version you have included is extremely rare. I heard that it was withdrawn due to copyright infringement shortly upon its original release. The version you have is not available even on Shriekback's cds The Dancing Years (1990 US) or Priests and Kanibals ... The Best of (1994 UK) despite the fact that they both claim to... Best wishes and please get M w/o Hats 2fer domestic before I scream... Thanks. Rod Los Angeles theartdept@worldnet.att.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X Date: 03 May 1997 23:20:17 EDT On Sat, 03 May 1997 16:20:39 -0700 Oglio Entertainment writes: >> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to >> rerelease! Wudda ya say Carl? > >Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference? > >Carl As far as I know the original is on vinyl only. I don't know where to tell you to begin to even look except maybe the Dumpo records site on the web. They have tons of Trans-x stuff. You could fill up a CD full of their older b-sides/remixes too. The difference in sound between the CD and the original lp is quite big. I was very dissappointed once I got the CD...it was not the same at all. Sort of like taking Rhythm of Youth and remixing it in 1986...you know what I mean... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." Subject: Re: (hats) track 9 Date: 04 May 1997 03:25:04 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 3 May 1997, rod wrote: > This may be a stupid question (admittedly it wouldn't be my first) but: > > Does anyone know the name of track 9 on "The Adventures of Women & Men ..." > > (1:10 between I'm In Love and Eloise & I). As listed on the CD, it's "Intro: Eloise" +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Home page: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) stuff Date: 04 May 1997 17:10:59 +0100 well, as a musician, songwriter and everything else I personally wouldn't use religious references for shock tactics, but I wouldn't say that I would not use them at all. If the song warranted it then it'd stay in... and as for saying that ppl wouldn't play the track because of it then its a) their own choice and b) a waste. Why dump a whole track for one line? Swearing is usually viewed as a lack of language skills, but occasionally I feel that it might be warranted. Anyways, this line of thought will go on forever and nothing anyone says will change it. I dont 'believe' in any one religion but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who does... personal choices again......... Mike PS Alaska Highway's album out in September..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 Date: 04 May 1997 13:02:54 -0700 Here is an alternative interpretation: > All alone or in twos (spouse, parents, friends) > The ones who really love you > Walk up and down outside the wall (try to pass your facade) > Some holding hands (there is strength in numbers) > Some gathered together in bands (teaming up against your facade) > The bleeding hearts and the artists (Roger Waters, Ivan, etc) > Make their stand (write and sing about it) > > And when they've given you their all (tried everything to reach you) > Some stagger and fall (some give up) > After all it's not easy > Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall. (because it's not easy getting close to someone who has an image to protect) A bleeding heart is someone who sometimes blames society for an indiviuals behavior/personality. Although it might be a little early (by a couple days?) to start evaluating Spell, I can judge by the very flashy cover (which has an air of being extremely egocentric) that Ivan is taking on this "image" in order to show us how bad it is. A tactic used notably in Jonathan Swifts "Proposal" and used by many artists since uh er... I don't know when. (Help me, all you English majors!!!) Anyway, if the English majors will let me get away with it, I believe it's called satirical irony?? Certainly PGTW was based on this and possibly Sideways as well. (Sideways fans can send their mail-bombs to senz@cwave.com) Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul b go Subject: (hats) 2fer Date: 04 May 1997 14:43:23 -0500 (CDT) HA! Got it.... Thanks Carl, Laura and Thomas. Sounds GREAT! Now to get the original cd's, the 3 disk boot and the video. Paul Go pgo@shrike.depaul.edu "The unexamined life is not worth living, and the unlived life is not worth examining." - Anon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) MWH video Date: 04 May 1997 16:46:37 -0500 What is that video everybody is talking about? Is it the one of the show Men Without Hats did for television at le Spectrum de Montreal? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 and Jonathan Swift Date: 05 May 1997 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT) > Although it might be a little early (by a couple days?) to start > evaluating Spell, I can judge by the very flashy cover (which has an air > of being extremely egocentric) that Ivan is taking on this "image" in > order to show us how bad it is. A tactic used notably in Jonathan > Swifts "Proposal" and used by many artists since uh er... I don't know > when. (Help me, all you English majors!!!) Anyway, if the English > majors will let me get away with it, I believe it's called satirical > irony?? Certainly PGTW was based on this and possibly Sideways as well. > (Sideways fans can send their mail-bombs to senz@cwave.com) > > Senz Senz, That's an interesting parallel--between Jonathan Swift and Ivan. But I have to say that I have to take your word for everything you say about "The Spell" because I have no idea what the cover looks like, what the music sounds like, or what anything about the entire CD is like because, like, I live in Binghamton, New York, and, like, it's like living in a music black hole, man. When is it coming out? I've heard everyone say May 6th. Is that a Canadian release date or does that stand for us Americans, too? Anyway, I normally wouldn't say anything, but since you asked for help from the English majors, and since I just finished writing a 25-page critical paper on Swift, and since I've just completed a graduate seminar on Swift, and since I'll be taking the final exam for that seminar on May 12th, and since I wish I could get Ivan's new CD before that time to cheer me up, I'll put in my three cents. Edward Said, in his book, "The World, the Text, and the Critic," says the following about Swift, which relates to what you were saying about Ivan and his use of satirical irony in the pop world: "Swift is invariably attacking what he impersonates. In other words, his technique is to become the thing he attacks, which is normally not a message or a political doctrine but a style or a manner of discourse" (87). Is that what you mean? That Ivan is impersonating what he's attacking and attacking what he's impersonating? That's an interesting way of looking at MWH and Ivan, kind of a sideways way of looking at the whole pop world. I must admit that I've always listened to MWH because of the music, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense. I only wish I could see and hear what everyone else has seen and heard so I could feel what it's like to fall under "The Spell." Maybe I was too hasty when I jumped on the list and started bragging about the 2-fer I got so early . . . (Thanks again, Laura, Thomas, and Carl) Matt B # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Enz Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 and Jonathan Swift Date: 05 May 1997 09:39:58 -0700 > Edward Said, in his book, "The World, the Text, and the Critic," says > the following about Swift, which relates to what you were saying about > Ivan and his use of satirical irony in the pop world: "Swift is > invariably attacking what he impersonates. In other words, his technique > is to become the thing he attacks, which is normally not a message or a > political doctrine but a style or a manner of discourse" (87). > Is that what you mean? That Ivan is impersonating what he's > attacking and attacking what he's impersonating? That's an interesting > way of looking at MWH and Ivan, kind of a sideways way of looking at the > whole pop world. I must admit that I've always listened to MWH because of > the music, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense. > > Matt B There ain't no way I coulda speaked it gooder myself!!! Not only that, if Sideways is also an example of satirical irony, my respect for that album has increased astronomically! (Although, it appears to be a bit more subtle in Sideways than PGTW.) Thank you, English major Matt, for finishing what I could not. :) BTW, Matt, if you have access to the internet, check out . This site will show you everything known about Spell (pictures, a sound clip, lyrics, etc.) Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 05 May 1997 12:01:33 -0500 Hi everybody! I will be attending the "launching party" for The Spell in Montreal, the 7th of may (that's next wednesday evening, in two days). I'll keep you inform about release dates for the world! Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) IVAN! Date: 06 May 1997 10:07:30 -0400 All, I'm on the phone with HMV in Montreal (1-800-567-2442) and they've got 150 copies of Ivan's CD in stock....I got mine!!! Good luck! -Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) Anybody else... Date: 06 May 1997 13:15:48 -0400 order their copy of 'The Spell' today? Can't wait to hear the whole thing! Jeff H. Northern Virginia, U.S.A. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) Ivan's the spell Date: 06 May 1997 19:13:30 +0100 anyone got the serial number so I can order it on import??????? moose (aka mike in a moose outfit) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Anybody else... Date: 06 May 1997 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Four copies are on their way to three owners in south central Ohio! I am _so_ happy! Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: (hats) Anybody else... Date: 06 May 1997 13:49:25 -0700 > > Four copies are on their way to three owners in south central Ohio! > > I am _so_ happy! > > Dave K > At 7:30 AM Pacific time I called and ordered. The order guy told me that the CD would be going out around 4:00 PM his time, which means that, with luck, I'll be spending this weekend under Ivan's "spell"! Now if my friend in Germany would only go CD shopping for me... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory T. Samson" Subject: (hats) 2-fer arrived! Date: 06 May 1997 12:41:20 -0700 yay! my 2-fer is here! to all those still waiting: keep the faith. it's an enormously vindicating feeling when you actually get the package in hand. :) thanks so much thomas and laura! -- Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard (gts@oz.net) "the rain fell, and the ants came." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Silvaggio Subject: (hats) Heard Ivan's new one Date: 06 May 1997 19:05:49 -0400 Hi all you Hats fans out there! This morning, I went to a record store here in Montreal and bought Ivan's new CD, The Spell. Looks like Ivan was in a dance/rap mood when he conceived this one, folks. I have to give it a couple more listens before I can get used to it. But I will. It's _Ivan_ , you know. Also, for you people out there who are able to catch MusiquePlus, Claude Rajotte will be reviewing the album on his Cimetiere des CD Friday night. Let's hope he has some good things to say. When he announced the upcoming review, he referred to Ivan as "a legend of alternative music". For you who have no idea who Claude Rajotte is, he was one of the first people here in Quebec to have a show dedicated to music videos way before any of these music channels we know so well ever hit the air. He is very revered in the Quebec music industry. He knows what he's talking about. Keep your fingers crossed for Ivan. Happy listening, folks! Vince vsilvaggio@microimm.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henning@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 06 May 1997 21:10:12 +0200 Hi! With the upcoming spell release and my imminent departure into holidays: Is anyone willing to buy this one for me and swap it for cash / gift / german album? Laura? Daniele? Ciao Henning P.S.: I'll be leaving for the canaries on sunday and not be back before Jun 1st. So, don't worry if I don't answer to E-Mail. I'll get back to you. -- Henning Schmiedehausen Cruisin' on the I-Way with a hot, hot SUN... henning@forge.franken.de http://www.franken.de/users/forge/henning henning@knf.de "To tough for you? Try ^K." "Avoid sharp edges. I hate bleeding on my motherboard." -- Robert Herold # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) THE SPELL IS HERE Date: 06 May 1997 21:33:44 -0400 At 6:46 pm I purchased the only copy of The Spell in Guelph. I have been in heaven since! This CD is VERY different - and VERY good (imho). There is definitely a dance influence to the overall CD, but it's done in a very "Ivanesque" way, with lots of poppy catchy synth melodies, lots of variation in vocals from whispers to rapping to Ivan's great singing voice. I have always been a real fan of the upbeat, fast moving, danceable MWH so I REALLY like the new Ivan sound. I'm on my second full listen through and I keep coming up with different bands that the sound reminds me of - everything from ABC to Madonna (not in a bad way!!). I also hear a strong resemblance to some of the more recent stuff from OMD and Human League. It's such an eclectic (sp?) mix of different and diverse sounds that really work together well. Of course, there is an unmistakable underlying Ivan/MWH feel, but I hear more of a relationship to 21st Century and PGTW than ROY and FOTEIII. This CD is on its way to a permanent slot in my CD shuttle in my car. I think I'll have to buy another one to keep in the house so that I don't forget to move it back and forth! I also received my 2-4-1 this week and have a set of the "bootlegs" on order. What a fantastic time to be a MWH junkie! Thanks sooooooo much to Carl, Thomas, Laura, Todd, and most importantly IVAN. If you're out there lurking Ivan, thank you soooo much for keeping all of us loyal fans happy. And WELCOME BACK. I wish you the greatest success with The Spell - I'll be doing the hard sell to all of my friends! Now all I need is a live fix. I'm off to check the Toxrecords site to see if any dates are posted. Fully under The Spell..... Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: henning@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen) Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity Date: 06 May 1997 20:58:35 +0200 Lars.Wendt@nextel.telemax.no (Lars Wendt) writes: >13...Gentlemen Without Weapons - Transmissions Oh Lord and I thought I'm the only being on this planet searching for this album... :-) If anyone has this on CD and is willing to make a gold disc... :-) Ciao Henning -- Henning Schmiedehausen Cruisin' on the I-Way with a hot, hot SUN... henning@forge.franken.de http://www.franken.de/users/forge/henning henning@knf.de "To tough for you? Try ^K." "Avoid sharp edges. I hate bleeding on my motherboard." -- Robert Herold # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MICHAEL MILLER Subject: (hats) Yesss, the postperson has delivered Date: 07 May 1997 02:38:31 -0400 Yesssssssss!!!! I just got my 2CD set of ROY/Folk. I've been playin' it in circles singing--- Thanks Thomas, Laura, and Carl. It's much appreciated. Sans un chapeau dans Gatorland, Mike Miller Department of History University of Florida mmiller@history.ufl.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Humphrey Loe Subject: (hats) I got the Cds and the Cds are here! Date: 07 May 1997 09:37:26 -0700 Many thanks to Carl, Thomas and Laura for making it possible to hear those wonderful albums in full digital glory. I'll still keep my vinyl for nostalgic and sentimental reasons though. Also, many thanks to Ivan and MWH for sharing their creative genius with the world! Humphrey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) I'm sooooo glad! Date: 07 May 1997 13:20:11 +0000 Hi Hatters! I am *very* relieved to hear/see all the pings from people who are getting their 2-fer CDs. WHEW!!! Those who are still waiting, hang on! I got one more yesterday, so they're still dribbling in. I ordered The Spell yesterday from the HMV in Toronto. I made the call at *just* the right time of day, apparently, as the girl said that the mail would be picked up in an hour and she would make sure that my order went out then!!! She said that their store had gotten a lot of calls, too. Maybe with all this $$ that Ivan is making from CD sales, he can extend his tour to include the southern US . This will be the first weekend we have had in a while without a dog show, so I have put "talk to the T-shirt shop about MWH shirts" at the top of my "D'oh, I really needed to do that last week" list. Hopefully, info will be forthcoming next week. (BTW, last weekend, we got our first qualifying score towards our AKC Novice Agility title - yaaaay Cocoa!) On a humorous note, a co-worker was trying to catch my attention this morning, but I was so engrossed in what I was doing, I didn't hear him. He went to the ToxRecords site and played the clip from Open Your Eyes. I heard the opening synth line and *leapt* over boxes of test items to *sprint* to his cube in under 3 seconds. He smirked, "I thought that might get your attention." Better than a pager, eh? Must dash, as yet another crisis rolls down the pike... ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) how much Date: 07 May 1997 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) To all those in the US who ordered Spell from HMV in Canada: How much did it cost? Thanks Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) The Spell is broken, do you want a copy???? Date: 07 May 1997 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Hey hats fan!!! I just got my copy of The Spell... Wow, Dance, electronic.... Back to the good old time!!!! The sound is very near ABC, Pet shop boys, very very good. I went to HMV Montreal and they have a bunch of disk. I gave my name to the lady. If you want a copy, leave me a message. Price for THE SPELL (taxes and delivery included) : 22$ I did reserve 5 copies. If you are interested, leave me your name personally. Ciao!!!!!!! P.s. Claude, dont forget to tell us about the BIG LAUNCH! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) Interview Date: 07 May 1997 18:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Hello again. I just taped an interview with Ivan at Place Ville Marie. He talked about the new album. Ciao Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Myke Carter Subject: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 07 May 1997 17:15:26 -0500 I just got off of the phone with HMV to purchase a copy of Ivan's new CD. I finally, finally, finally convinced them that a VISA debit card functions just the same as a VISA credit card! And I did this in only 7 hours! Can you believe it?! They actually didn't want to accept it at first and kept telling me they couldn't - but then finally did. Geez! We'll see what happens now. I would suppose that my call was a good English-learning experience for the dear woman on the phone. Bless her heart. There are some parentheses in my work mailing address and she didn't understand me when I said 'parentheses'. It was fun trying to describe a set of parentheses without using that word. Gosh, I love French! I wish I understood how to speak it at all. Silly me studied stupid Spanish in high school. Oh well. Thanks for posting the phone number here in the Hats mailing list so I could order it. I'll let you know if I get it or not - and when, if I do. Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howard Abraham" Subject: (Fwd) (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 07 May 1997 19:43:06 +0000 I ordered a copy from HMV today, too. I think they are getting accustomed to phone calls from the lower 48! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 07 May 1997 21:33:31 EDT On Wed, 07 May 1997 17:15:26 -0500 Myke Carter writes: >Thanks for posting the phone number here in the Hats mailing list so I >could order it. I'll let you know if I get it or not - and when, if I >do. I have to second that....believe it or not I was in such a rush this morning I would hae forgotten again... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tempe Video Subject: (hats) Order The Spell? Date: 07 May 1997 19:17:31 -0800 Hey folks, I accidentally deleted the listing with the number of the place in Canada to order THE SPELL. Would someone mind re-posting it for me? Thanks in advance... Regards, J.R. BOOKWALTER Visit Tempe Video & Press on the Web: http://members.aol.com/tempevideo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Turtle Subject: Re: (hats) ??? Date: 07 May 1997 19:49:21 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 1 May 1997, Eric Soderblom wrote: > Hey all, > Wow, I am so happy to see that our little MWH mailing list has turned > out to be a forum for religious and ethical debates! The poor guy > (Ivan) says a couple of bad words, and all of a sudden he's Satan. I > think those of you who don't like his use of profanity should NOT LISTEN > TO THE MUSIC, and go check out www.christian-coalition.org. Ok, off my > soapbox. The 3 CD's I would bring on a desert island are; > 1) Michael Jackson "Bad" > 2) John Tesh "Live at Red Rocks" > 3) Tiffany "Tiffany" > HA!!!!!!!! :-) > Peace, > Eric > Hey, don't knock Tiffany. She's my sister. [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] ***************************************************************** * King Dave of the Turtles - davall01@morehead-st.edu * ***************************************************************** * "Chacka Bracka Allen Caw, Ain't Nuthin' But A Frog Hop" * * -Turtle- * ***************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) how much Date: 07 May 1997 21:33:30 EDT $16.99 Canadian plus $5.00 shipping. Rod [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) new to the mailing list Date: 07 May 1997 23:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Hi, My name is Ray and I just subscribed to the mailing list yesterday. I have been a major hats fan since '83! Looking forward to reading and writing about the hats!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) I am Spellbound Date: 08 May 1997 00:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Guess what I got today!!!! Yuppers, Ivan's first solo CD, "The Spell"! My thoughts on it are as follows. I must warn you that I will give some reviews of songs so if you don't want to read them and discover the songs for yourself then delte this message now!! :) Here goes...... THE COVER: Love it! I really don't know why I like it, but...well, I do! I like how his "logo" is a close-up on the back. The photo of Ivan is clasic Ivan. With that frank, blunt, "as-a-matter-of-fact" smile (has anyone else noticed this?). I have to admit that I love the shoes! For some reason I think I saw that picture somewhere before. Why aren't there any lyrics?? Oh well. There's always http://www.toxrecords.com. By the way, on that site, there's an e-mail address to "Ivan". Does anyone know if that is his address or an address about the CD? Anyone know what the "UFORIA" logo on the back of the CD is? THE SONGS: I admit that this album will have to grow on me BUT there are a lot of songs that I LOVE!!! "Superbadgirls", "Open Your Eyes", "1972 (Slippin' Away)", "Fly", and a few more which don't come to mind right now. I agree that the album is reminicent of "PGTW" and "21st Century" in a really dancey style. Other songs are too hiphoppish for me. There is a song where Ivan sings with the voice he used in the extended versions of "Pop Goes The World". "www" surpised me in the classic Ivan way. I was waiting for a song about the Internet (and maybe a mention of this list) but it really means "what a wonderful world" (not the song). "1972 (Slippin' Away)" seems to be Men Without Hats/Ivan meets Abba, Village People, Boney M meets mid-eighties pop meets "Born To Be Alive"! It is such a GREAT song! The woman talking in the song sounds like the woman in Mitou's "A Funny Place (The World Is)", where Ivan sings backup. I haven't checked my Mitsou tape but I am sure it is her because in both songs you hear a woman laugh and they are the same laugh (big deal, eh?). "Outro" is a nice touch. Just like the MWH days ;) I assume there are no hidden tracks. Anyone find any? THE CREDITS: Hm, I see a Betty Doroschuk is listed. Could she be the "Betty" in the "Eugene & Betty" he always sings about and dedicates "I Know Their Name"? And some of the MWH staff are listed (not band members). I see Colin Doroschuk wrote a song. Interesting to see what the other MWH members do. THE SINGLES: What I mean is, the songs I would choose to be released as a single. Besides "Open Your Eyes" of course (has anyone heard this on the radio?). "Forever", "Superbadgirls", and "You". I think "1972 (Slippin' Away)" would do very good in clubs. "Open Your Eyes" should do very good on the dance stations. I hope it does! I should request it. OVERALL: It feels so SURREAL that this album exists! I thought for sure MWH would never record again. Especially since I heard Ivan went back to school for film when I first subscribed to this wonderful mailing list. Even though I said it would take a few listens to grow on me, this album has many outstanding tracks (I am just not a fan of hip hop) and it is a must for your MWH collection! I only wish he also added French lyrics :) Anyone know if Ivan is trying to "forget" or seperate his present career from the Men Without Hats days? The only reason why I am asking that is because a lot of 80s bands now seem to be trying to leave that decade behind. I hope Ivan doesn't feel that way because he really has NOTHING to feel ashamed of! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 08 May 1997 09:17:24 +0000 Hi Hatters! Before I say anything else, Claude, please PLEASE tell us EVERYTHING about the premiere party last night. PLEASE?!?!? (don't make me whine - it's ugly) Myke said... > I just got off of the phone with HMV [horror story deleted] I wish I > understood how to speak it [French] at all. Try (Francois, correct my grammar s'il te plait) Si vous ne voulez pas accepter mon argent, j'acheterai le disque quelque'ou d'autre. {If you don't want to take my money, I will buy the disc from someplace else.} And if anyone really gives you a hard time, I have several choice phrases that a French teacher wouldn't have taught you. ;-) Or, try the HMV in Toronto, where they mostly speak English, except for adding "eh?" at the end of sentences. ;-) That # is 1-800-567-8468. My chat with them went like this... Me: My address is [blah blah blah] and the town is Efland. HMV salesgirl: Efland? Is that in Ontario, eh? Me: It's in North Carolina, USA, eh. HMV girl: Oh, OK, eh. Hope I haven't offended *too* many of our friends to the north! :-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day Date: 08 May 1997 12:41:36 -0500 Hi everybody! First about the HMV incident in French: > Myke said... > > I just got off of the phone with HMV [horror story deleted] I wish I > > understood how to speak it [French] at all. > > Try (Francois, correct my grammar s'il te plait) Si vous ne voulez pas > accepter mon argent, j'acheterai le disque quelque'ou d'autre. > {If you don't want to take my money, I will buy the disc from > someplace else.} And if anyone really gives you a hard time, I have > several choice phrases that a French teacher wouldn't have taught > you. ;-) > When some french people are rude with you, you don't use such sophisticated sentence! Go for the basic "Vas chier" (pronounce "vaw shee-ey") and then hang up. I won't translate. > Before I say anything else, Claude, please PLEASE tell us EVERYTHING > about the premiere party last night. PLEASE?!?!? (don't make me > whine - it's ugly) > About the premier party; I hated it (it's so boring). BUT, it was nice seing Yvan again (last time was 7 years ago at a Lenny Gravitz concert). He was thinner than ever. He wore a Kiss wollen cap and pink sunglasses! (It reminded me of school days, Yvan always wore a woolen cap, EVEN DURING CLASSES!). He was full of adrenaline with all those reporters buzzing around him with microphones and cameras. He told me that he will be putting on some shows in late june in Canada (starting in Toronto). I asked him if he had a personnal e-mail address. He gave me the Tox record one. So if you want to reach him, that would be the most efficient way (he assured me he personnally read all e-mail addressed to him). The party was at a big fashionable restaurant on top of one of the highest sky-scraper in Montreal (Place Ville-Marie), a place where they don't usually allow people like me in (hey hey!). The record was loop-playing for the duration of the event, but the sound was not very good (to much noise from the crowd). I was also very please to meet Michel Langevin (drummer for Voivod). I directed 4 musical clips for Voivod, and I was the one who introduced them to Yvan (Michel played on SIDEWAYS, and Yvan played some keyboard for Voivod, on the ANGEL RAT album). All in all, nice peoples in the wrong place. If some of you are interested, I could scan the press-kit they were distributing at the party and make it available on the net? Anyway I have to go to work now, bye! Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) HMV boys 'n' girls Date: 08 May 1997 19:09:23 +0100 Aren't HMV a friendly bunch! Just ordered 3 copies of the spell, but have to wait up to 10 days for them... oh well, i suppose thats what happens when you live in London! If anyone else tells me how good it is in the next 10 days I'm gonna kill 'em :-) Moose (aka mike in a moose outfit!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schachter Subject: (hats) IT CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 1997 16:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Hi! Just wanted to share my joy with everyone.... MY CD CAME!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Larua, Thomas, Carl, and Ivan et al.!!!!!!!!!! Now I can concentrate on finishing my thesis... all to the tune of the very simple melodies! Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) price Date: 08 May 1997 16:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Can anyone tell me if there is a price difference between the HMV in Toronto vs. Montreal. I would assume not since it's the same chain but you never know. Also does one have more in stock and thus would be able to get it to me faster? Thanks again, Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) I am Spellbound Date: 08 May 1997 17:50:42 -0500 Daniele Rossi wrote: > By the > way, on that site, there's an e-mail address to "Ivan". Does anyone know if > that is his address or an address about the CD? That's his address... > > The woman talking in the song sounds like the woman in Mitou's "A Funny > Place (The World Is)", where Ivan sings backup. I haven't checked my Mitsou > tape but I am sure it is her because in both songs you hear a woman laugh > and they are the same laugh (big deal, eh?). Same woman: Linda Benoy > Anyone know if Ivan is trying to "forget" or seperate his present career > from the Men Without Hats days? The only reason why I am asking that is > because a lot of 80s bands now seem to be trying to leave that decade > behind. I hope Ivan doesn't feel that way because he really has NOTHING to > feel ashamed of! He is not trying to forget anything! Bye! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) 2-fer HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 08 May 1997 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Hi Everybody, Could someone please help me locate a copy of the "Rhythm Of Youth/ Folk Of The 80's" 2-fer CD please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks very much. Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) !!!!! Date: 08 May 1997 23:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Hi gang! The "Betty" into the CD credits, she's Ivan's mother.... Ciao! P.S. the price in montreal for THE SPELL taxes included is 19.05.... ciao again Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: Re: (hats) price Date: 09 May 1997 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT) >Can anyone tell me if there is a price difference between the HMV in >Toronto vs. Montreal. I would assume not since it's the same chain but >you never know. Also does one have more in stock and thus would be able >to get it to me faster? I bought mine in Toronto where it costs $15.99 (plus 15% tax). That is, the one on Yonge Street at 333. Price differs from store to store in Toronto. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) The Spell.... Date: 09 May 1997 12:19:08 -0400 Well, I found a CD player in an office down the hall, and was able to give a 1st listen to Ivan..Here is my INITIAL feedback on the CD: 1. The Spell Not my taste 2. Superbadgirls Good 3. Chain Reaction Not my taste 4. Open your eyes Totally AWESOME!! 5. 1972 (Slippin' away) Good 6. You Not my taste 7. Forever Very good! 8. www Not my taste 9. Somethin Very good! 10. Fly Very good! 11. Outro Not my taste Any feedback from others?? Remember, these are MY INITIAL feelings...they could change! Seeya... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Silvaggio Subject: (hats) Ivan's other recordings... Date: 09 May 1997 17:54:53 -0400 Hi y'all. Just finished watching a French interview with Ivan on MusiquePlus and was startled to hear that between the time Sideways came out and The Spell appeared, get this...he recorded a whole bunch of other songs including French jazz(!?!) and a follow-up to Sideways(!!). When asked where these songs are, Ivan replied that they were in his drawers at home. Wouldn't you just love to look through his drawers to see what kind of stuff you can find!! Maybe some unreleased RoY stuff? Man. Later, Vince # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: (hats) I GOT MINE!!! Date: 09 May 1997 11:37:41 -0400 All, I ordered my 'Spell' CD from HMV Montreal on Tuesday morning, 5/6....I work in Reston, Virginia and just went to my mailbox...THERE IT WAS! I can't wait to pop it in and give it a listen! TGIF! -Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Kramer Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's other recordings... Date: 09 May 1997 18:52:02 -0700 Hi Hatters! Vince Silvaggio wrote: [snip] > Wouldn't you just love to look through his [Ivan's] drawers to see what > kind of stuff you can find!! [snip] Yeah, and finding some music would be cool, too! Tee hee hee. ;-) Sorry, it's Friday and I'm a bit punchy. Anyone who tried to get ahold of me at work this week and had zero success, I don't hate you -- I think our server has PMS or something. Claude, what is chier? I got the vas part ;-) but is chier French French or Canandian French? L8R!! ;-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david richards Subject: (hats) Ivan Interview Date: 09 May 1997 20:55:27 -0400 Hi, Well, it looks like I am finally going to be able to interview Ivan for the next issue of Lexicon (due July 1). But, I would like some help. If you guys have questions you would like me to ask, please email them to me (not the newsgroup, please). -I'll probably ask him about the background to the current Cd and whats he has been doing recently, so don't worry about that part. What I would like are insightful, intelligent questions. If I use one of your questions (and you send me your snail mail address) I will send you a copy of the magazine with the interview in it. Otherwise, as publication time get closer I'll post how to get a copy. Also, I would like to put Ivan on the cover, but don't have a picture. If anyone has a recent, good picture on the guy, let me know (don't send me any right now please, thanks). Thanks for your help. Just to let you know that I love reading all of the messages here, a year ago I had no idea anyone even remembered MWOH! -Dave Richards Editor, Lexicon PO Box 1734 Wheaton, MD 20915 guerue@tidalwave.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) ROY poster Date: 10 May 1997 10:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Hi Everyone, Just came across a 24 X 36 MINT condition promo poster of ROY. It's kind of pricy, but if you are interested, send me an E-mail and I'll let you know how much and where you can get it. See ya! Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) greatest hats track list? Date: 10 May 1997 10:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Hi again, Could someone please give me the track listing for "Greatest Hats"? Thanks! Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: Re: (hats) greatest hats track list Date: 10 May 1997 11:00:52 -0700 >Hi again, > >Could someone please give me the track listing for "Greatest Hats"? Thanks! > >Ray > Safety Dance 2.43 Living In China 3.01 Antarctica 3.25 I Got the Message 4.39 I Like 4.12 Where Do the Boys Go 3.53 Freeways (Euromix) 5.45 Pop Goes the World 3.44 On Tuesday 4.08 Sideways 4.53 Editions of You 3.53 Safety Dance (extended) 4.32 Where Do the Boys Go (extended) 6.17 Rod Los Angeles theartdept@worldnet.att.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) My taste Date: 10 May 1997 18:12:36 -0400 (EDT) To answer to Jeff Harding, here is my appreciation for the spell. 1. The Spell Good 2. Superbadgirls Very Good 3. Chain Reaction Fair 4. Open your eyes Totally AWESOME!! 5. 1972 (Slippin' away) Very good! 6. You Fair 7. Forever Very very good 8. www Good 9. Somethin Very good! 10. Fly Very good! 11. Outro welll...... we could forget this one!!! Ciao! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Saul Hazan Subject: (hats) Just saying 'Hi' Date: 10 May 1997 23:02:32 +0100 (BST) The welcome message says I should introduce myself - seems a kinda friendly thing to do. Also gives me a really good excuse to ask the lamest question of them all. My name is Saul, 33, British, living in West London and if you really care you can see a picture of me on the Home Page I run for an Australian singer (see signature). I purchased the first two MWH albums when they were first released on vinyl here in England and sadly lost them when moving house. I guess I just touch of what the group was up to and as I couldn't find anywhere to get hold of replacement albums, I stopped looking. Came across the WWW site quite by chance and, through it have managed to order the Greatest Hits cd. Yes, you can feel the lame question coming, can't you?! OK, here it is. Where on Earth can I buy the rest of the albums? Not fussed about the format, cd/tape/good ol' vinyl...anything. Glad to know I'm not the only person left in the world who appreciates great music. Anyone want to drop me a line, feel free. All the best, Saul Saul Hazan. London, UK. (saul@hammel.demon.co.uk) Web site: You can find my tribute to JUDITH DURHAM at - http://www.hammel.demon.co.uk/judypg1.html _______________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 11 May 1997 00:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Hey hats fan... I'm here since a couple of months now but I dont knoe everybody and where are you in the world. You see, I live in Montreal, home of Men without Hats, and what I see if MWH is more popular out of Montreal.... Just for the information of everybody, may be we could introduce ourselve. So my name if Francis Joannette I am from Montreal quebec Canada and I speak French and English I love MWH since 1981 and YOU! Ciao! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 11 May 1997 03:36:19 -0500 JDivito334@aol.com wrote: > > Hey hats fan... > > I'm here since a couple of months now but I dont knoe everybody and where are > you in the world. My name is Claude Gregoire I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada and I speak french (salut Francis), english, greek, cambodian, spanish, german, japanese & latin (but I only write french and a bit of english). I've been a fan of MWH since before the beginning (1978). Bebye! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Norman" Subject: (hats) WHO AM I Date: 11 May 1997 09:35:53 -0400 ---------- > From: JDivito334@aol.com > To: hats@xmission.com > Subject: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? > Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 12:15 AM > > Hey hats fan... > > I'm here since a couple of months now but I dont knoe everybody and where are > you in the world. > > You see, I live in Montreal, home of Men without Hats, and what I see if MWH > is more popular out of Montreal.... > > > Just for the information of everybody, may be we could introduce ourselve. > > So my name if Francis Joannette > I am from Montreal quebec Canada and I speak French and English > I love MWH since 1981 Hello, I'm Tom Norman. I am in Columbus, Ohio, USA and speak English, a little French but its tres terrible! Hey Francis, When do you think IVAN will be performing in Montreal this summer? I think this would be a perfect time for me, and other Hats fans, to come up and see you -- and IVAN in a show! Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJP1313@aol.com Subject: (hats) New Musik Date: 11 May 1997 17:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Sorry to have something off topic going to everyone, but someone on the list wrote to me recently about my New Musik CDs. I accidentally deleted their note. If you're reading this, please write back. Thanks! -Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) HATS BEACH PARTY! Date: 11 May 1997 19:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Tom>>> I want to organize a weekend HATS BEACH PARTY. I guess that should be a great idea! Ciao! Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 11 May 1997 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) >You see, I live in Montreal, home of Men without Hats, and what I see if MWH >is more popular out of Montreal.... >Just for the information of everybody, may be we could introduce ourselve. Bonne idee, Francis! I am Daniele Rossi. Don't let the name fool you, I am male. It is Italian for "Daniel". Anyway, I'm 23 and supposed to be a computer aniamtor but I am going back to school to take computer programming (a lot more jobs). And I live in Toronto. I've been a fan since "The Safety Dance". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 11 May 1997 16:41:45 -0700 WOW! I came home this morning and found a package from HMV in my mailbox. I ran up the stairs and tore it open. I spent approximately three seconds admiring the artwork before I ate through the plastic wrap, opened the jewel box, and thrust the CD into my player. I've now listened to it four times, and here are my critiques (whether you want them or not): The Spell Enigma-like, with echoes of "You & Me". Very haunting way to start the CD. Superbadgirls Fun and poppy. I love the chirpy analog synth sounds bubbling away in the background. Ivan has added a lot of house beats to this album. Chain Reaction Kind of standard. Not a bad song, but it didn't really grab me. Open Your Eyes MAN! This song is such a breath of fresh air for this early 80s fan. I could listend to this over and over and over... and the lyrics are kind of appropriate to a situation I find myself in now... 1972 (Slippin' Away) I was bobbing my head to the beat, and then it hit me: I WAS ENJOYING DISCO RHYTHMS! At least it's not completely disco. Very energetic. You Poignant. Another "21st Century"-sounding song. And Colin wrote it. I'm glad to see that he and Ivan are still "together" in the music biz. Forever This is a great song. The female voice harmonies are just lovely. Another song that's going on a tape for my car ASAP. www Someone else commented on how they were afraid that this would be another lame Internet-based song, and so was I. But it's actually a good song about just enjoying what you have. (At least that's my take on the song...) He tried a different style with this, and I think it's pretty cool. Somethin' Frantic. Sort of Pet Shop Boys-ish. Not a standout, but still fun to listen to. Fly The third truly awesome song on this disc. Outro A lot of people on the list have complained about this snippet. Why? It's GREAT! You just gotta love those 2000-bpm drum samples... I would love to hear an entire song based around this... So there you go! It's definitely one of the best CDs I've gotten this year. I'll be listening to this for a long, long time. Now, I have to keep my fingers crossed that Ivan will come to California... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 11 May 1997 23:45:55 EDT Ok...here goes: My name is Rod MacQuarrie. I'm 31 years old and a husband and father of two boys. I work at an office job writing technical manuals and designing their web page. I'm originally from Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada where I got my first dose of MWH. Folk of the 80's 3 was the album that converted me. I now live in Kalamazoo, Michigan which is about halfway between Chicago and Detroit on I-94. I spend a good deal of my spare time in my 32-track digital studio in my basement where I am working on my own music. I have many vintage synthesizers from the 80's and am very influenced by groups like Japan, Men Without Hats, Flock of Seagulls, Tears for Fears, Gary Numan, early Duran Duran, and Alphaville (to name a few). Some day within this century I hope to come out with an album on CD...that is if I can find enough free time to accomplish it. I've found that if you are single you can't afford equipment and if you're married you can't afford the time...such is life! Later... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: (hats) Autobiography Date: 12 May 1997 04:27:56 UT I am Bill Black, full time religious fanatic, part time dentist, Men Without Hats fan since 1985. I had a missionary companion in Brazil who had the ROY and Folk III tapes. After a couple of listens, I decided I would by their tapes when I got home in 1986. Pop Goes the World came out and I was not initially impressed because I expected more synth. But it turned into my favorite. I only speak English and Portuguese despite taking 2 years of French and home studying Russian. It's hard to concentrate on language skills while listening to MWH singing O Sole Mio loudly... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SODERBLOM@webtv.net (Eric Soderblom) Subject: (hats) Who the heck am I? Date: 12 May 1997 02:42:18 -0700 OK, My name is Eric Soderblom. I am 24 and live in the Bay Area (S.F. CA, USA). My favorite band is Men Without Hats. It used to be Depeche Mode for about 6 years, but their last 2 albums have been crap. I like everything from the Pet Shop Boys to Barbra Streisand. Despite the fact that I live near San Francisco, and like Barbara Streisand, I am not gay (not that there is anything wrong with that). I am presently getting my pilots license and hope to be either a commercial or jet charter pilot someday. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Wendt" Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 12 May 1997 08:03:10 +0200 OK.. These are the hard facts: My name is Lars Wendt. (That's a male name, yes) . I'm 28 years old and I= work = as an account manager at the largest ISP in Norway (Telenor Nextel). Orig= inally = I'm from a town called Tonsberg near the coast, but now I live in Oslo. I= 've = been a hats fan since 1983, but at various levels of intensity. = "I got the message" I remember back in the spring of '83 or '84 when I got completely hooked = to = "The Safetydance". I really enjoyed it a lot and discussed this with my f= riend = at that time. Groups like Heaven 17 and Depeche Mode were also cool group= s at = this time and they were definitely synth-bands, which was the coolest thi= ng on = earth. But my friend disappointed me as he didn't think that MWH was a re= al = synth-band. Maybe I still try to prove him wrong? "If they don't dance, = well = they're no friends of mine". "The great ones remember" During the years I bought FOT80's and liked it almost as well as ROY. Whe= n PGTW = came, I didn't buy it, but listened to it and made a tape copy. And when = "In = the 21st century" came I just stumbled across it in a little record shop = some = time after it was released. But I wasn't very impressed of this record. S= ome = time in 1991 I started searching the net and came across the FTP archives= where = I found that MWH had released or were about to release "Sideways". Of cou= rse I = started looking for it, but it took nearly three years until I received m= y CD = copy of it. In the meantime I also bought PGTW on CD, and I started looki= ng for = ROY and FOT80 on CD. Most of you readers know what kind of task that is. = During = the last years especially PGTW and ROY has grown upon me again. I also fi= nd = that I begin to like Sideways! = "Things in my life" My spare time is spent being with friends, listening to music, attending = concerts, and skiing in the winter. The last concert I attended was Jean = Michel = Jarre here in Oslo, and the next will be Kula Shaker. This means that my = love = for the synth-music has changed. I still like it a lot, but I also find a= lot = of other musical directions exciting. At present I've got over 1700 CD's,= so I = guess someone would call me addicted, stupid, or something!? I know there= 's a = chinese saying which says that when you've got a lot of things, you' don'= t = really got them, they've got you! = L8R... Lars __________________________________________________________________ Lars Wendt Internet: lars.wendt@nextel.no P.O.Box 393, Sk=F8yen, 0212 Oslo, Norway __________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 12 May 1997 18:16:29 +0200 (MET DST) Claude, > My name is Claude Gregoire > I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada and I speak french (salut Francis), > english, greek, cambodian, spanish, german, japanese & latin (but I only > write french and a bit of english). Do you want to say that you *SPEAK* Latin but don't write it??? C'est tres cool!! I'm absolutely blown away! Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oglio Entertainment Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 12 May 1997 12:32:52 -0700 I'm Carl Caprioglio. I own a Hermosa Beach California based record company called Oglio Records. Oglio puts out all sorts of fun stuff ranging from Men Without Hats to Jackie "The Joke Man" comedy CD from the Howard Stern Show. My assistant came up with the idea to put out a best of Men Without Hats and I have been hooked ever since. Carl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marty McKolskey Subject: (hats) And you would be....? Date: 12 May 1997 12:26:33 -0700 What's up? My name is Marty McKolskey, and I currently live down in Los Angeles, California. Originally from Toronto, I came down here to go to UCLA (graduated '96). Now I'm a web designer, and hope to have the spare time to actually put together a Men Without Hats site. (Complete with chat, so we can all talk a little more fluidly!) I've been a fan for about 10 years, and am proud to declare them my favorite band. I'm a mass media entertainment junkie, with a couple of thousand CDs and nearly a hundred videos. Favorite bands: MWH, Tragically Hip, Spirit of the West, Barenaked Ladies, Live, Pet Shop Boys, Grays, Ben Folds Five, Matthew Sweet, Robbie Robertson (bigger list suppressed, be thankful) Employer: http://www.citysearch.com Toy: http://www.webeye.com Homepage: http://www.1001.com Spare time spent doing...: Songwriting, designing, looking for a better paying job. (I don't know about you, but for me this is part discussion group, part support group; I've spent the last six years or so being heckled for being a hats fan. Now I'm among friends!) Email addresses: marty@webeye.com, hatless@hotmail.com, hatless@rocketmail.com, hatless@bigfoot.com Do you need a silencer if you're going to shoot a mime? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (hats) Who be me? Date: 12 May 1997 16:28:13 -0400 My name is Adam J Weitzman. I'm a 27-year-old software engineer, and I've lived in the Boston area for most of my life. I'm a huge music fan and collector, and have acquired over 2700 CDs, starting from 1985 when I bought Big Audio Dynamite's debut CD. I'm a huge fan of all sorts of music, except for opera and country&western. I started loving MWH when I taped "The Safety Dance" off the radio, and have liked all of their albums quite a bit, except for _21st_Century_ which has its moments. My favorite MWH songs are "The Safety Dance," "I Sing Last/Not For Tears," "Hey Men," "Things In My Life" and "Freeways," and the first two albums are, for me, their definitive documents. I tried to see them when they were touring for Pop Goes The World, but the club changed the show from 18+ to 21+ at the last minute and I couldn't get in. The only real MWH "rarities" I own are the "I Got The Message" 12" and the "Pop Goes The World" CDV. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!! -- Adam J Weitzman "What is is, Individual, Inc. What is not is possible." weitzman@individual.com - Einstuerzende http://www.individual.com Neubauten # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) I am what I am Date: 12 May 1997 17:03:13 -0400 (EDT) I'm Charlie Garbowski. I'm a 20-year old who is a full time MWH fan. I'm at Fredonia State University (in New York) as a BFA Performance Major (theatre) and a Communications Major with an Audio/Radio specialty. I've been a hats fan since '83 (yes I know I was only 6 but I've always been able to appreciate good music.) Take care all, Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david richards Subject: Re: (hats) Who Am I (Once Again Back Its the Incredible!)? Date: 12 May 1997 18:28:37 -0400 Hi- My name is David Richards, 30 (!) years old and I live in Washington DC. I am going to American University, hope to get a masters and eventually a doctorate in Political Science. In my "spare" time I edit a magazine called "Lexicon". Lexicon started off as an ABC fanzine but now is basically about any sort of pop music from the 1980's. It's been a lot of fun so far, I've gotten to interview some of my heros like Thomas Dolby and Martin Ware of Heaven 17. I also hope to soon interview Ivan (keep your fingers crossed). If you want a free copy just send me an envelope with two 32 cent stamps (or an IRC or two if your up north, three elsewhere) - Lexicon, PO Box 1734 Wheaton, MD 20915 I love ABC (duh), Heaven 17, Thompson Twins, Talk Talk, Pet Shop Boys, Prefab Sprout, Dolby, etc etc etc. Always liked MWOH, didn't believe Carl when he told me that there were all these people who felt the same way! -Dave Richards "I don't believe I caught your name?" "I don't believe I dropped it" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Senz" Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 12 May 1997 17:12:42 -0700 Well, my name is Steven Enz (otherwise known here as Senz) and I'm 32 years old and happily married. I live on the 33rd floor of an apartment building here in Calgary. I have a degree in visual arts from the University of Regina. I've always been interested in science and technology and am currently working on a degree in Electronics Engineering at the Calgary campus of Devry. I've written and recorded some 100 synth art/pop songs (a' la MWH, Pet Shop Boys, OMD, Jane Sibbery etc) which I have finally moved to CD. I had my own personal studio which I gave up a few years ago in favour of dark room equipment and a telescope. (I've been interested in astronomy since age 4). I also have a cat named Sheba and regret teaching her how to turn off a light switch! Senz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Saul Hazan Subject: (hats) This is great! Date: 13 May 1997 00:01:25 +0100 (BST) I seem to have started a trend here by describing a little about myself! Has anyone noticed what a wonderfully varied bunch we are? Saul. Saul Hazan. London, UK. (saul@hammel.demon.co.uk) Web site: You can find my tribute to JUDITH DURHAM at - http://www.hammel.demon.co.uk/judypg1.html _______________________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: (hats) WHO AM I? Date: 12 May 1997 16:35:38 -0700 Hello, everyone receiving this list. My name is Donald Stroud 2. I am a 31 year old Caucasian male with one blue eye and a slight limp from when I was 4 and tried to stop an industrial fan with my foot. I was born in a rotting wooden shack in the wilds of the former Czech Republic. When I was but 7 months old my father sold me to a Moroccan spice trader who was on his way to the Congo. For six long years I lived in a moist sack, my only friend an albino howler monkey who I affectionately named "Skippy". Eventually the Moroccan traded me to an Australian tourist for a pack of Marlboro Lights. I spent three years as his personal "assistant", rubbing him down with scented oils and letting him put out his Cuban cigars on my forehead. One night, during a police raid, I escaped through the sewer system and made my way to the harbor. I hid aboard a ship bound for the United States. The ship docked in New Jersey, and I was able to secure a job as a stamp-licker for a local envelope-stuffing pyramid scheme. Once I had saved up enough money, I bought some clothes and went out into the world. Not three minutes into my journey, I was beaten by Quakers and left to die in a shopping mall fountain. I was rescued, but in the beating I was afflicted with severe amnesia. The police tried to help, but they misidentified me as a Southwestern pig farmer named Billy Joe Tuggle who had been missing for several months. I was delivered to Texas, and spent many ignorantly-blissful years raising crops and castrating hogs. But one fateful day, while playing in the barn, a tractor engine snapped the chain from which it was hanging, and fell onto my head. The blow caused me to remember everything - EVERYTHING! - and I made my way back to the Czech Republic. My parents' house was gone, burned to the ground. But in the smoking wreckage was the remains of an audio cassette. That cassette was... yes, you guessed it, the "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack. Then I came back to the United States, and I've loved Men Without Hats ever since. Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniele Rossi Subject: (hats) Soem stuff to ask about Date: 12 May 1997 20:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Ivan's first band Heaven 17.....has anyone tried to get copies of their album(s). That is, if they released any. And I see a pattern forming here; first "Sideways" was released only in Canada and now "The Spell". Anyone know why? Ivan doesn't want to release internationally? +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Daniele Rossi daniele@interlog.com Read some comics at http://www.interlog.com/~daniele # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schachter Subject: RE: (hats) WHO AM I? Date: 12 May 1997 20:54:10 -0400 (EDT) >My name is Donald Stroud 2. *sob* What an incredible life. Moved me beyond words. I must know... what ever happened to Skippy? Jeff Schachter@pfc.mit.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kerim.sursal@utoronto.ca Subject: Re: (hats) WHO AM I? Date: 12 May 1997 22:16:00 -0400 Dude.. You have a cool life! I am truly amazed.. did you come up with ALL of that on the spot, or just the pig farmer bit.. Anyway, that was funny. Thank you. I will go pee now.. (why, why you ask? When you gotta go, you gotta go.. oh no.. never mind.. I don't have to go anymore.. eeeeww..) -+!+- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) I AM I Date: 12 May 1997 22:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Hi, My name is Ray Peterson and I am from Rhode Island. I am 32 years old, married, and have a 7 month old son and a cat. I am a logistics manager for a small company and a part time pet groomer. I have been a major "hats" fan since '83. I luckily got to see them live in November '83. I came home one weekend from school in Chicago just to catch them, and it sure was great! Now to music!! Music is my passion! I love all kinds of music, especially early - mid 80's stuff. I have just about 1500 CD's and 900 albums. Some of my favorites are: MEN WITHOUT HATS (of course). FISCHER-Z, TOY DOLLS, KRAFTWERK, RHEINGOLD, OZRIC TENTACLES, FLOCK OF SEAGULLS to name a few. My life is almost complete. The only thing missing is a ROY/FOLK 2-fer!!!!!!!!!!! Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jps@starpoint.net (Jim Sustacek) Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 12 May 1997 22:09:25 -0500 (CDT) Hi. My name is Jim Sustacek. I'm 17 years old. I'm not sure if I'm the youngest person on the list, but I'm probably pretty close. Until 1995, the only thing I heard relating to MWH was Weird Al's "The Brady Bunch" (parody of "The Safety Dance"). One of my brothers dug deep into my other brother's closet to find some 80s tapes, and he brought out ROY. I listened to it and I don't know exactly why, but I loved it. Now I've worn that tape out. I found a gazillion copies of ROY and FOLKIII on record for nine cents each, but they do me no good anymore because my brother has taken back his record player. I'm really desperate for a job now so I can buy the 2-fer. In the meantime, the last 3 albums, Collection, and the bootlegs will have to tide me over. Do you ever wonder what this list will be like in 10 years or so? Jim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) Whom Am I? Date: 12 May 1997 23:36:20 -0400 Brad Hull 32 Software sales Living in sin Never lived in a sack Golden Retriever Hats fan depuis 1982 Ridiculed by many since 1982 (or sooner!) Still a hats fan Still ridiculed by many Envious of those of you with CD collections of 2500+ (makes my ~500 look piddly) (btw, do you build your own racks to hold that many?) Happily Hatting and Spelling away every day Still hoping Carl will discover the Spoons, Pukka Orchestra and Boys Brigade to perform magic re-releases on...Carl?.....Can you help me? Later tater! (anyone recognize what band that is from?) Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shriekman@aol.com Subject: (hats) Might as well jump on board... Date: 13 May 1997 02:34:38 -0400 (EDT) I guess I should open up a little... My name's Greg Baerg and I turned 26 last month. I've been a fan of MWH since The Safety Dance and have been in love ever since. I started a MWH fan board on Genie many years back, where I kept in touch with Jim Davis and I think Thomas Norman was on there as well... In my spare time, I try and make it as a writer here in Southern California, and also do some web work. I have a web site on the Mining Company dedicated to Cop TV Shows. Check it out if you're a fan (http://coptv.miningco.com). My favorite bands are MWH, Shriekback, The Bolshoi, The OTher Ones, Propaganda, and many many more. I have a Bolshoi homepage @ Anyways, enough self-promoting. :) Talk to you later! Greg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: (hats) I am you Date: 13 May 1997 07:23:09 UT 'It's My Turn' I'm Russ Kemsley of Bellevue, WA. 32. Working at a local software company. My intruduction to MWH was in 1984 while in Japan. My Roommate had the ROY/Folk3 combination on a single cassette which I quickly copied and wore out. I had not heard The Safety Dance or any other MWH material so it was all fresh and I really dug it. When I got home from Japan, I bought the ROY cassette and Folk3 vinyl (promo) which have lasted me to this day. The cassette still sounds good with only a few dropouts and the vinyl still sounds great, even after hundreds of playings. I bought PGTW vinyl at some point, but have no idea what happened to it. It wasn't until recently that I picked up the other recordings, Sideways, 21st, Folk1 (a-la Thomas Norman) in that order. I'm waiting for my next trip to Vancouver for Spell (next trip will probably be the concert). Other musical tastes: Alice In Chains Stone Temple Pilots Alice Cooper Metallica Pink Floyd The Who Led Zeppelin The Beatles # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Who Am I Date: 13 May 1997 11:31:38 -0400 Who are we: I'm Dave Mattingly. I founded the Men Without Hats mailing list back in '87 when Pop Goes the World came out. It all began as a conversation between myself, Lazlo, and Henning about lyrics. As memory serves, I had bought PGTW on tape, Lazlo had bought it on CD, and Henning had bought it as LP. Different amounts of lyrics were included with each media, and between us, we were able to get the lyrics to all their albums. I was a member of several mailing lists at the time, and suggested forming a MWH list. We all told our friends on the net, and within the first month had 40 or so members. One of the first new members was Dave Datta, who ran the UWP lyrics archive. I ran the list manually until '90 or so. Members would send messages to me, and I would forward them out to a distribution list of members. It was crude, but it worked, and it was the best I could do at the time. At thet time, Dave Datta, who was already running the Tangerine Dream list and a few others, took over, since I was going to be losing me e-mail account. Dave upgraded the list to a real listserv, and renamed the list "hats". Dave ran the list until two or three years ago, when he in turn passed the torch to Lazlo. Jim Sustacek asked where we thought the list would be 10 years from now. The list is 10 years old now, and has undergone periods of silence and flurry. At times, it looked as if the list were going to die, but it has always come back to life. The last two years have been the list's most active. We've heard from Bruce and Ivan. Carl Oglio learned of the list's existence shortly after he had finalized the track listing for Collection. Recently, there have been many new releases: the boots, the video, the collection, the 2fer, Spell. Seeing the list grow from a small group of fans to its current force, I'm sure the list will be around in ten more years. The Spell could releaunch Ivan's career, and he might have another six solo albums in the next ten years. Perhaps Stephan and Colin will become more active and the hats will officially regroup. Even if nothing further happens in the hats career, there will always be those of us who love their music and enjoy talking about them. -- Who am I: I'm Dave Mattingly, 29, male, married for 10 years with a 7 month old son. Louisville, Kentucky, USA. I'm currently a computer programmer/database administrator, but also have experience in radio, theatre, teaching, oriental rugs, role-playing game design, and writing. I've been a fan of MWH since I first heard Safety Dance, and the first tape I ever bought with my own money was FOTE3. I soon bought ROY on tape, and loved them both. I made the switch to vinyl a few years afterward, and upgraded my tapes. I made the switch to CD two years ago (I'm slow to accept new tech). My other favorite band is Ed's Redeeming Qualities. Check out their homepage that I run at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html. They're kind of alternative folk -- think They Might Be Giants meet The Proclaimers. The sound clips and reviews will help to explain them. I mainly listen to new wave and novelty. Bands include tmbg, Madness, Duran, Soul Coughing, Cake, Weird Al, Devo, Pearl Harbour, Depence, INXS, Nik, and many unknowns. I'm probably the only person on the list who's heard Safety Dance performed by a band was on helium, and who's heard a Chubby Checker impersonator sing Safety Dance to the tune of "Do the Twist". -- In the 21st Century, Dave Mattingly | Under the bludgeonings of chance, DaveM@FocusSoft.Com | My head is bloodied, but unbowed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SINSFDWF@Admin.UH.EDU Subject: (hats) Here Am I Date: 13 May 1997 11:52:16 -0500 (CDT) My name is Skippy and I'm an albino howler monkey, but you can call me Doug Finney. I'm nearly 351 months old, a systems analyst, and currently reside in Houston, Texas with my wife of 2.5 years and dog of 2. My first exposure to MWH was, of course, the Safety Dance, but I didn't turn into a full-fledged hats junky until a couple years later. There were kids way weirder than me at my high school so nobody made much fun of my musical tastes, and I even had a couple of friends who liked a lot of the same stuff I did. My CD collection only numbers around 600. I really thought it would balloon once I got out of school and had a little more disposable income, but I've found many other things to dispose it on instead, such as this old house we moved into (not to be confused with This Old House), LEGO, computer junk, a car that actually runs most of the time, etc. I like a vast assortment of music, most of which can be lumped into the Rock/Pop genre. Favorites include Bob Mould/Sugar/Husker Du, Gary Numan, Jellyfish/Imperial Drag/Grays/Jason Falkner/etc., XTC, Reivers, Glass Eye, Toadies (my most successful "I was into these guys before anybody" band), Alice in Chains, Metallica (though they seem to be getting worse) and many, many more. Must eat lunch now. Have a nice day. Doug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ian@ctr.usf.edu (Ian Ingham) Subject: (hats) Me Date: 13 May 1997 08:57:35 -0500 My name is Ian Ingham. I am Amish. Heh heh, just kidding. I'm am 30, been listening since I was aboot a wee lad o' 15 or so. I'm currently living in Florida (though I am originally from New Jersey *shudder*), am married with two cats. I work for a large metropolitan university where I am the computer overloard of the student union. Some folks have said I look like Tom Cruise; they were soon committed to a mental institution. I like mostly 80's music; unfortunately the Tampa, Florida radio stations are top 40 and country, so exposure to new cool music is limited at best. If someone mentions the Wallflowers again I'll scream. Stuff I like: Big Country, Front 242, FOS, Midnight Oil, T. Dolby, Ministry, New Order, etc. etc... I was first exposed to MWH via a really cool new wave/punk radio station in Long Island, NY, WLIR. To get the signal I had to stretch an antenna (a wire) from my bedroom window to the nearest tall object, the telephone/power lines (OK, so I wasn't too bright as a kid). I think I am unique in that I like _EVERY_ Men Without Hats album/CD. I almost saw them once. They cancelled. We were very depressed. *sigh* Ian Ingham Phone: (813) 974-5003 FAX: (813) 974-4180 E-Mail: ian@ctr.usf.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Handshaw Subject: (hats) Me... Date: 13 May 1997 17:52:23 +0100 Hi all, I'm Chris Handshaw, a 22 year old student, just coming to the end of my degree in Cambridge, England. I'm one of the few people on the list in England who's on the MWH mailing list ..... maybe 3 others? I've been into MWH since '91 when a Canadian school friend introduced me to The Safety Dance and RoY. Naturally I've been addicted ever since. MWH CDs are difficult to get hold of across here so I've been lucky to have my Canadian friend find most of the ones I have from over in Vancouver. I also like to collect any records I can find by them; promos, 7" etc I had absolutely no albums to my name before MWH entered my life. Most of the other music I listen to is introducted to me through my Canadian friend who sends stuff over : Moxy Fruvous, Barenaked Ladies, Ben Folds Five. I'm also a fan of Yello and They Might Be Giants. I eventually get to visit Canada this summer and I seem to have picked a good year. I just hope Ivan can make it out to Vancouver so I can at last get to see the man at work. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) Me too! Date: 13 May 1997 14:23:31 +0000 Hi everybody! Chris said [snip] > get to see the man at work. Nononono - that was Colin Hay! ;-) Tee hee hee... OK, I guess it's time for the second great MWH outing. Here goes... Hi! I'm Laura (wooo, big surprise!). I live in North Carolina with a husband, 2 dogs, and 4 cats. I am 28 years and 6 days old, and I am a psychometrician (which is a profession, not a chronic illness). I have lots of music CDs (even though I do quantitative stuff, I don't know if I can count that high), a very eclectic mix from classical to ragtime to big band to "oldies" to MWH and beyond. I think the only genres I *don't* have any CDs of are pure opera, rap, reggae, and country-western. My husband hates MWH, but I keep him around anyway. I first saw MWH on Martha Quinn's new video hour on a Sunday night when I was 14. I was PO'd because the TV show I wanted to watch had been pre-empted, so I thought I would mock a few vids. I was completely and totally prepared to hate everything I saw, but wound up having my mood completely changed. I love medieval stuff, so the opening to the SD vid caught my eye. Then Ivan used big words in complete sentences, which *really* caught my attention. The next day I went roller skating (yes, I *was* in high school!), and asked the DJ to play SD. Everyone else was like, "What is that? That's pretty cool!" But after SD got grossly overplayed on the radio (in Central Florida at least), and everyone was sick of it, I was the only one left. I had the MWH logo on all my book covers and notebooks, and I went to see them in concert at Electric Avenue in Orlando (now burned to the ground). My friend and I were right up front, near the speakers, where Ivan couldn't help but see me waving a piece of paper with their logo on it right about at his kneecap level. He took the paper right before the encore, and he and his brothers and Allan autographed it for me. I was in heaven!! Then I tried to take a listening comprehension test in French class the next day. QUOI??? REPETEZ, S'IL VOUS PLAIT!! JE NE L'AI PAS ENTENDU. Like others, I have suffered persecution on behalf of my beloved Hats, but I feel less alone now after finding this list. :-) Hats-wise, I have the F80s EP, ROY on vinyl and tape, F80s3 on vinyl and CD, PGTW on vinyl and CD, 21stC on CD, Sideways on CD, the boots, the vid, the 2fer, and the Spell is on its way. F80s3 was actually a peace offering from an ex-boyfriend after he'd boinked my best friend's girlfriend. I kept the CD at any rate. ;-) Cocoa and I will be showing in the Baltimore area this weekend (Timonium). Then next weekend he and I will be in Gainesville GA. The weekend after that, Jim and I will be in Boston on vacation (sans chien). If there are any Hatters in those areas that would like to go out for an ice cream or something (can't be too radical since I'll have either a dog or husband with me), go private to jlkramer@interpath.com and maybe we can put names with faces, eh? Mikey, Simon, and Chris - still working on getting back to the UK, then we'll go out for beef-and-guiness pie and feast bars, right?!?!? CUL8R!! :-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David P. King" Subject: Re: (hats) Me too! Date: 13 May 1997 13:10:10 -0600 I thought that I would introduce myself despite the fact that I'm pretty quiet on the list. My name is David King and I'm 28 years old as of yesterday. I have lived in and around Salt Lake City, UT for most of my 28 years. I have been a fan of all types of synthpop/80's music since about 1983. All I listened to between 1983 and around 1992 were groups like MWH, Depeche Mode, New Order, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, etc. In recent years, my musical tastes have changed somewhat. While I still love all of the synth music, my two favorite bands are The Beautiful South and The Trash Can Sinatras. My other favorite groups are Aztec Camera, Frazier Chorus, MWH (of course), Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and Depeche Mode. I have a collection of about 500 CDs and about 85% of that is synthpop music. I've been married for four years and my wife and I are expecting a daughter in June. I currently work for Novell as a technical support engineer. Sounds really important, but really I just answer customer questions about Novell's e-mail program, GroupWise, all day long. I am tortured by the fact that my wife loves country-western music. But, since she's not really into music like I am, I usually win the argument over what plays on the car stereo. I always tell her that country music is the reason they invented headphones. (Sorry to any country fans out there). I, like most on the list, was introduced to MWH by "The Safety Dance". At the time that it came out, I was not into buying music so it was a while before I actually owned any of there music. When I turned 16, I got a car with a tape player so I managed to find copies of "Rhythm Of Youth" and "Folk Of The 80's Part III" on cassette. At 19, I moved out of state for a couple of years and unwisely left my tape collection behind. Thus began my long dry spell with MWH. I didn't have a lot of money so I only bought a few CDs (mainly Depeche Mode). It wasn't until a few years ago that I was able to track down "Pop Goes The World" which I consider to be their best "album". They have better "tracks" in my opinion, but they haven't come close as far as the total picture that this album conveys. Since then I have purchased all of the other albums, plus I'm trying to get the 2-for-1 right now. MWH are a truly brilliant band and it's nice to know that there are many like-minded people out there. --David dking@xmission.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Albums Date: 13 May 1997 16:02:38 -0400 Ian writes: >I think I am unique in that I like _EVERY_ Men Without Hats album/CD. You're not alone in that respect. Over the course of the last few years, depending on my mood, every one of the albums would get solid play for weeks, even long after the album's release. Each of the albums has its strengths and weaknesses. They all have songs that I love and songs that I get little or nothing out of. And all the albums are different. Ivan wasn't content with making a good album and repeating it several times. He wanted to explore, to push his creativity. People like A, but instead of making more A, let's make B tell the same story. Here's a review I wrote about them for FireFly (a cool service that lets you rate music then recommends based on your tastes): << Men Without Hats is still one of my favorite bands after all these years. Their style changes with every album, but they still get the same message of happiness, love, and freedom across with a variety of interesting images. Their first full-length album, Rhythm of Youth, contained the public's favorite MWH song, The Safety Dance. This bouncy song was parodied by Weird Al, it was on the Dr. Demento video collection, its lyrics were set to the tune of "The Twist" by Big Daddy, it was all over early MTV, and even on Beavis and Butthead watched it. The song peaked at #3 in late '83. The album contains many great songs, and is considered by many fans to be the best album. "I Like," "I Got the Message," "Things in My Life," and others make this album stand apart from the music of its time. Its bouncy dance music and (mostly) happy lyrics followed the discovery of music/truth and its implications on our lives. Some of the lyrics use odd verbal imagery. Their second album, "Folk of the '80s (Part III)" is my favorite MWH album, which puts me in quite a MWH minority. This album was widely overlooked by the media, and even many fans. The group departs from happy synth-pop and enters hey-the-world-should-be-different folk ballads. Still present are the synth, the wordage, and the other elements that define the group, but the mood of the album is different. Even though the story is the same, or more accurately, a continuation of the previous story of love and truth and life, more serious themes are explored. "I Sing Last, Not for Tears" explores the end of the revolution; "I Know Their Name," easily the silliest song on the album, explains the reactions of those who discover that the protagonist is indeed the messiah/truthteller/musician. Pop Goes the World is considered by most MWH fans to be their best. This synth rock opera tells the story from birth to death of Johnny and Jenny -- how they find the answer to life and tell others. With excellent songs like the title track, "Jenny Wore Black," "O Sole Mio," "In the Name of Angels," "Lose My Way," and "Moonbeam," this album is amust-have for every synth-fan. "...In the 21st Century" matures the group the heroes of the stories expand their world beyond themselves. Cultural issues such as sexism, individuality, and the environment are explored as the musical sound moves away from rock opera and into Sting-like pop. The usual fun and signature thoughts are present, as tunes like "Eloise and I" tell us about the flowers and trees dancing, and "Here Come the 90s" gives us a Beatles-esque "yeah yeah yeh" chorus. Abba's "S.O.S." further explores human relations. "Sideways" was at once a huge departure from MWH ordinary-but-ever-changing style and also a return to their musical roots. This electric-guitar-only album sounds liek something that could go to #1 if it were released today, but radio execs who want to play grunge and consider MWH as yesterday's news didn't even give the album a listen. "I Am the Walrus" continues the group's story of man/woman relations [ "I am you and she is he..." ] as well as pay tribute to one of their greatest influences. The title track has a really exciting rhythm that looks at things from another angle. Oglio's release of "Collection" gave many fans their first CD copy of many of the group's greatest songs, and also introduced us to another MWH cover, this time of Roxy Music, one of Ivan's major influences. In fact, in "Freeways," three groups are mentioned -- ABBA, Roxy and T. Rex. We've heard covers of the first two already, and with the upcoming release of "Spell," who knows what we'll find? >> Dave Mattingly | Under the bludgeonings of chance, DaveM@FocusSoft.Com | My head is bloodied, but unbowed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) who cares who i am! Date: 13 May 1997 19:32:34 +0100 today I'm Mike Best (aka moose) - tomorrow I might not be! 31 years old, live in south London, freelance musician and computer programmer. I own 2 recording studios in London, one near wembley and one in my spare room (fully digital effort)... I speak english, MIDI-sysex and can usualy read hex computer dumps (sad!). as with most brits, first heard Ivan and co doing SD, but remember seeing the snowman somewhere else - pgtw i think it was. bored everyone stupid by playing their stuff at parties, though my compilation tapes were minor classics. ended up with just about everything they did, plus plans to produce a 4th bootleg CD of other stuff (which if you have been round since last year you'd know I have great plans but never get any time to complete them!!!). currently undertaking 'the millenium bug' jobs for vast sums, which is paying for the new album from my band which should reach the shops in the UK this september. listen out for us - "Alaska Highway" - as i have several DJ chums in the US and Canada who want to give us airtime. If you ever see the album "attitudes of a difficult mind" by the aforementioned duo then i'd recommend it - pop music with acoustic instruments and loads of synths... well, i'd buy it anyway. (that enough of a plug?) right, we're did my food go? moose (aka mike in a moose outfit) ps favourite music - vince clarke (erasure, yazoo, assembley, depeche), the newer depeche, alaska highway (???), b movie, alphaville, propaganda, omd, seagulls, black, most 80s synth stuff... and a little known band from canada! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: * Subject: (hats) hello Date: 13 May 1997 17:48:23 -0500 my name is wolfgang and i live in downtown Toronto first saw mwh in 83 at Ontario Place followed by a show at Kingswood in 84 (first date on the WDTBG tour)- guess i was 14 back then... my first influece (musically) was the the sex pistols, clash, blondie and some velvet underground (thanks to my older sister) MWHS represented a different kind of "calling" for me- ...wow.. a kick drum from a machine!!! (COOL!!) Also think i connected with other Canadian bands ' cause so little pop music was coming from here in 81-82 Im not married and I dont have a dog... um,,, I play in a band and write music for radio and TV (yawn) as a means of paying rent... CDs currently on my player include anything by Jane Siberry anything by Johnette Napoltiano anything by David Sylvian, Lou Reed, Cocteau Twins, Portishead, Billie Holiday, Coil and Nitzer Ebb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Edward Frey Subject: (hats) hic ego sum Date: 13 May 1997 18:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Hi I'm Chris Frey, aka C.Frey and I am a 20 year old History/Medieval and Renaissance Studies major at the University of Michigan. I'm from Detroit (the suburbs, really) and glad to know Rod is also a Michiagn resident! I heard "SD" as a kid and because like Laura, I like medieval stuff, and loved the video and song. Several years went by and I found ROY and bought it and have been hunting more MWH ever since. I have all the albums, including the Folk1/Freeways tape. I still occasionally do under-cover reconaissance missions to Windsor, Ontario looking for more MWH on CD. I speak English, some French, and take Latin. Thomas B. and Claude, I also try to SPEAK Latin but it's hard to find people who want to speak it. Besides, they don't teach "conversiational" Latin. Darn!!! "Quid agis hodie?" My music tends to be Classic Rock (like Russs K.'s list, which adds to my appreciation of SIDEWAYS. Ahh! Flame away! :), some 80s, and a lot of folk and Celtic/Irish music. Failte romhaibh! I have recently become a full-time believer in the religion of Beatlemania, (check out VH-1 all this week!!) so I'm glad to see they're one of Ivan's influences. I have been working off and on (more off than on) on a MWH guitar tablature page for over a year now. Hopefully I'll have more time now to finish it. I would appreciate any help from anyone who has played MWH or tried to figure out the music. Hatlessly yours, C.Frey freyce@umich.edu http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyce/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul b go Subject: (hats) i is Date: 13 May 1997 17:25:28 -0500 (CDT) Greetings all! I am Paul Go, a 26 yr old Computer Consultant in Chicago. I was born a poor black child...no wait. Strike that. I am from South Bend, Indiana and attended the University of Notre Dame (go Irish) and got my BA in philosophy. I have liked the Hatless from the Saftey Dance on. I recall listening to it while playing D&D and reading comic books (FF, X-Men, Alpha Flight) with one of my best friends. My other musical interests include New Order (and spinoffs), the Police, Men at Work, U2, Metallica, and others in the rock genre. I also enjoy the classical genre from the Baroque period to late Classical (around mid-Bethovan). And thats me. TTFN. Paul Go pgo@shrike.depaul.edu "The unexamined life is not worth living, and the unlived life is not worth examining." - Anon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) BOOTS!!!! Date: 13 May 1997 18:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Could someone please give me some info on the boots? (track listings, sound quality, where to obtain) Thanks, Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Silvaggio Subject: (hats) Who am I?? Date: 13 May 1997 20:35:24 -0400 Hey, all. I'm Vince Silvaggio and I live in Montreal, Quebec, which is in Canada (for now, at least!). I'm an unmarried 28 years old and have been a serious, serious MWH fan ever since I heard "Safety Dance". I ran to my local record store, bought the RoY album, and was blown away. Shortly after, I found out that my sister used to work with Ivan at the Montreal General Hospital. My sister told me that he was quite introverted but made it known, nevertheless, that he was in a band that was going to go places. Everybody laughed. I guess he has had the last laugh. Despite five years of constant ribbing from my high school peers for being a MWH fan, I survived to go on to university where I earned a degree in finance (hey, not everybody on the list can be some type of computer engineer!). Armed with this degree, and a more comprehensive, legitimate, and very reputable correspondance degree in finance, I went on to become, it goes without saying,...a plant nursery worker. Sick of the way big business treats people, I decided to work in my father's nursery, closer to nature. It pleases me to say that I don't have to wear a suit and tie, and I get a thorough tan every summer. Musically, I adore the music from the eighties: Ultravox, Flock of Seagulls, Human League, etc. etc. Also, if you guys want to try something new, try giving the Box, another local group, a listen. Go for their first two albums, if you can find them. Til next time, Vince vsilvaggio@microimm.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) Who am I?? Date: 14 May 1997 01:59:12 -0500 Vince Silvaggio wrote: > ...if you guys want to try something > new, try giving the Box, another local group, a listen. Go for their first > two albums, if you can find them. Funny of you to suggest this Vince. You know that the singer from The Box (Jean-Marc Pisapia) was at one time the singer of MWH? (Yvan was on synth) The Box started there carreer in 1984 with the release of there first album (eponymus). They were one of many bands from Montreal trying to follow the road paved by MWH. Many of those bands were french, that seemed to be a problem. Yvan told me (speaking of The Box) that english peoples had some problem digging that funny accent french singers have when they're trying to make it "dans la langue de Shakespeare". I would be very interested by feed-back from the group on this issue. Anyway, the Box were a great synth band, with good melodies, catchy hooks and plenty of energy (in concert & on albums). They had the same manager as MWH (Marc Durand). They released 4 albums -The Box (1984, Alert, BD-1000/BD4-1000) -All the time, All the time, All the time... (1985, Alert, BD-1003/BD4-1003) -Closer Together (1987, Alert, BDCD-1005/BD4-1005) -The Pleasure And The Pain (1990, Alert, Z2 81014) They also released a 2 for 1 of there 2 first albums (I'm not kidding) (Alert, BDCD-1000-3) and a compilation (A Decade Of Box Music, part greatest hits, part rarities, 1992, Kardiak, KRKCD-2500) For those interested, I'm quite sure HMV in Montreal have some in store (he! he! he! let's improve our french part 2) Other MWHish bands from Montreal include Rational Youth (with yet another ex-member from MWH), Bundock (from the Alert family), Trans-X, Favorite Nation (yep, with a guy who use to be in MWH) and Janitors Animated (very hard to find, only on vinyls). Okay, I have to go rehearse my latin SI VIS PACEM, PARA MUSICUM Claude... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonas Lantz Subject: (hats) Re: (HATS) who are you??? (and could someone please help me??) Date: 14 May 1997 10:31:09 +0200 My name is Jonas Lantz, I am 28 years old and live in Gothenburg (Sweden). I have been a MWH-fan since I heard "Safty dance" on a swedish radio show called Metropol in the early 80's. Nice to see that Ivan has released a soloalbum but I think I'm gonna have a hard time getting hold of a copy. Maybe one of the Canadian friends on the list could help me buy a copy and send it to me. Please e-mail me privatly and we will work out the details. Cheers / Jonas -- ,,, /'~'\ ( 0 0 ) +----------------------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo----------------------------+ Jonas Lantz Hemsidor E-post hem: magnat@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~magnat E-Post jobbet: jonas.lantz@trygghansa.se http://hem.passagen.se/magnat Jag har också hand om den begåvade poeten Pamela Jaskoviaks officiella sidor på nätet. Dessa hittar Du på adress: http://www.algonet.se/~magnat/pamela.htm Mvh / Jonas Lantz Oooo. .oooO ( ) +-----------------------------( )----) /------------------------------+ \ ( (_/ \_) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kubica@khoros.unm.edu (Steven Kubica) Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!??? Date: 13 May 1997 17:31:10 MDT I'm Steve Kubica. I work on some software called Khoros which is used for scientific data processing, visualization and software development. And, while I'm working on this software, I listen to Men Without Hats. In fact, as I look back on my life, any time I can remember working on anything fun/creative/interesting, I have been listening to Men Without Hats. I find their music inspiring, exciting, and just plain *fun*. And you can even dance to it (if you want to). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Steve Kubica kubica@khoral.com Khoral Research, Inc. http://www.khoral.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) Press release Date: 14 May 1997 13:00:04 -0500 Okay guys (and Laura)... I finally succeed in scanning the text that was given to everybody attending the SPELL launch party. It's in TIFF format (so readable by most anybody). What should I do; post it to the group or wait for individual requests? BTW, for those of you who live in Montreal, there is a private screening of a movie I worked on, this saturday at noon, Imperial cinema (on Bleury, between Ste-Catherine and Maisonneuve). It's free, it's fun. I did the storyboard and editing on this one. Take care everybody. (oh, Yvan is invited...) Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) BOOTS!!!! Date: 14 May 1997 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Could somebody please let me know where I can get the bootleg CD's? Thanks much, Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) Original ROY cd Date: 14 May 1997 18:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction in England. Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael R. Ward" Subject: (hats) my 2 cents Date: 14 May 1997 20:01:37 -0400 (EDT) hi i am michael ward a 29 year old customer service person from syracuse, ny. i have been into mw/oh since i bought the cassette of roy in the bargain bin in college (a time long ago and far away) i love freeways and sideways the best but love all but fot80 and 21st century. i am working on a masters in information studies at syracuse university. i also listen to japan/gary numan/roxy music/nitzer ebb/ and just about all the obscure acts the 80's produced. i have a large collection of cassettes of one-hit wonders with terrible albums. but also some great stuff. i collect toy cars and am big into vw's. i am single (not necessarily by choice) and also write a little column about hot wheels for an on-line site. thats about all. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: (hats) HMV PUT A SPELL ON ME!!!!! Date: 14 May 1997 21:22:29 -0400 (EDT) It's here!!!!! New MWH (almost) music!!!!! Most of it is great!!!! Some of it, like others have said, is rusty and light. Give Ivan some time (and a bigger budget). According to HMV Montreal, I was victim #29. I also heard the curse words that were discussed in that cry-baby, Holier-Than-Thou, thread. IMHO, they didn't seem to a big deal, but, probably won't do a lot for radio play. (Thank God for single versions {Don't you love irony?}) I wonder what Ivan is refering to as "The Spell." Maybe it's troubling enough for him to feel very strongly. Anyone else figure it may be the music biz or music itself? David (Lexicon), might you investigate? Anyway, enough of me.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Obscure 80s artist? Date: 14 May 1997 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT) I have read a lot of messages from the subscribers of this list which include lists of other 80s acts that interest them besides MWH. A few years ago, I was rummaging through a cutout bin at a local record shop and found for $1 an LP with an interesting cover. I thought I'd take a chance on it and have never regretted the decision. I have yet to see the name of this artist appear in any message in this list that I've read so far. Has anybody ever heard of John Watts, "The Iceberg Model"? This is a 1983 album that I find very satisfying to listen to. Who is/was John Watts? Myke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregor Watson Subject: Re: (hats) Original ROY cd Date: 15 May 1997 04:39:13 +0100 At 18:46 14/05/97 -0400, CDcollectr@aol.com wrote: >Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to >someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction= in >England. > >Ray Me for one. Picked it up for =A34.99 in Edinburgh about 12 years ago, 2= years before buying a CD player. Gregor # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) All right! Date: 15 May 1997 02:22:37 -0500 Hi Gang! You are now reading the words of a very very very happy man! I'll try to be short, delete this message now if you are in a hurry. As you may remember from previous messages, I sometime work in the field of music (I'm a musician myself). Since the late seventies I've been involved in numerous projects directly or indirectly related to music. In 1986 I produced with a bunch of friends 32 video-clips for young bands from Montreal. That's were I met, among others, Voivod and DAFP. I became very close with those two particular bands. I sort of introduce Vovoid and MWH to each other. The other band, DAFP was formed of two french guys and 3 english. The 2 french were nicknamed the french bastards by there english counterparts. When the band split, the 2 french guys started a new band called FrenchB (am I boring you?). This band was the first techno-outfit in Quebec singing in french. This new sound was backed by a strong political message. It was inevitable that at one point, they would do something with Yvan, and they did! Around 1988 they joined forces to produce one song called MAINTENANT OU JAMAIS (NOW OR NEVER). That song was created to promote Quebec independance at the eve of a referendum. The lyrics were from Richard Gauthier (singer for FrenchB) and the music by Jean-Robert Bisaillon (keyboards for FrenchB) and Yvan Doroschuk (you know this one). The song was produced by Yvan. He also played the all keyboards and did some back vocals. 500 CDs were pressed, only for promotional use. Being friend and fan of both bands, I wanted this CD. For 8 years I tried very hard to get a copy (I even directed 3 video-clips for the FrenchB!!!!). But it didn't worked, this CD is so rare that even some members of the FrenchB don't have it. But tonight I went to a benefit concert to see the FrenchB performed and the singer gave me a copy!!!!!!! I'm holding it now! If someone in the group can tell me how I can make that available on the net, tell me. The song is 3:21. I love you all. Have a nice day... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: swooldri@lucent.com Subject: (hats) Another intro Date: 15 May 1997 11:44:38 +0100 Hi, I`m Si Wooldridge and I`m a Telecomms Engineer working for a major Telecomms Corporation that recently split from an even bigger Telecomms Corporation. I live in Chippenham, Wiltshire, England with my wife Anita and 3 kids + another due within the next week. I heard the Safety Dance when it hit the UK way back then, and bought ROY not long after. I didn`t hear the 12" mix that the US fans seem to take as the `normal` mix until Laura kindly supplied me with Oglio`s The Collection. By chance I caught a glimpse of FO80`s III when it hit the shops, but didn`t like as much as ROY. The main problem was that for years (only just cured) I couldn`t stand Mothers Opinion. With MwH not having a high profile, aside from One Hit Wonder status, I had assumed that there was no other input from this band until I found this list and have steadily re-educated myself and listened to a lot of excellent music in the process (although I still haven`t got used to Sideways). This list has been a god-send for all the work that it has either contributed to or inspired, and I am thankful that I am part of it. Regards, Si ******************************************* * Si Wooldridge * * Senior System Equipment Engineer * * Lucent Technologies Network Systems UK * * * * e-mail : swooldri@lucent.com * ******************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Press Release Date: 15 May 1997 08:33:31 -0400 Claude has sent me a copy of the press release, and I've put it up on my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/spell.html. Dave Mattingly | Under the bludgeonings of chance, DaveM@FocusSoft.Com | My head is bloodied, but unbowed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) sideways Date: 15 May 1997 10:09:27 -0400 (EDT) I was looking at the case to my Sideways CD the other day while doing some homework and the logo on the side seemed to be doubled. I looked closer and it turned out that it was written twice, one ovelapping the other. I opened the back of my CD case (very carefully so I wouldn't destroy it) and found that I had two of the inserts that were supposed to show on the back side of a CD case. Is this abnormal for this CD? Can anyone else with a copy of Sideways let me know if they've run into that. (If not, hey it's a colletor's item) I will say that it bothers me that if I want to put the CD in my CD holder face up the logo on the side is upsidedown. Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: RE: (hats) sideways Date: 15 May 1997 10:28:50 -0400 > Charlie, > My CD only has a single-serving of back inserts, so yours must be special. >I will say that it bothers me that if I want >to put the CD in my CD holder face up the logo on the side is upsidedown. I know what you mean. It bothers me on the two other CDs I have that do this, but for the Sideways CD, it's just following its name. I think it's kind of clever in this case. Dave Mattingly | Under the bludgeonings of chance, DaveM@FocusSoft.Com | My head is bloodied, but unbowed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: RE: (hats) HMV PUT A SPELL ON ME!!!!! Date: 15 May 1997 15:22:01 UT "I also heard the curse words that were discussed in that cry-baby, Holier-Than-Thou, thread." - BDay0000@aol.com If Ivan had written a song calling Negroes niggers or homosexuals, faggots, would the people who responded be called cry-babies too? Although both of those terms were in common usage years ago, even today in some places, the words themselves are now considered offensive and their use is discouraged. I was simply implying that profanity also should be discouraged and as Ivan used some in his recent song, I have lost some respect for his music because of it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Schumann Subject: (hats) Re: Sideways? Date: 15 May 1997 11:25:07 -0500 (CDT) The issue: Is the Sideways spine sideways? I've noticed that most books printed in the States have their titles printed on the spine so they read down; that is, your head tilts to the right to read it... While books from Englad (and perhaps Canada?), read up, with your head tilted to the left. Many import CD's that I have also read up. I thought Sideways was just another import with its up-reading spine title. "He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin Chris Schumann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Sideways? Date: 15 May 1997 09:45:20 -0700 > > The issue: Is the Sideways spine sideways? > > I've noticed that most books printed in the States have their titles > printed on the spine so they read down; that is, your head tilts to the > right to read it... > > While books from Englad (and perhaps Canada?), read up, with your head > tilted to the left. Many import CD's that I have also read up. > I'm left-handed, and I have all my books and CDs on shelves so that you have to tilt your head to the left to read the titles, if the title is indeed printed that way. Titles that read from top-to-bottom on the spine are just fine the way they are. Everytime someone new comes to my house and starts to peruse my CD collection, they comments on how the CDs are "flipped". It seems I have nothing but right-handed friends... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" Subject: (hats) sideways/under Ivan's Spell Date: 15 May 1997 13:27:05 +0000 Don sez... > I'm left-handed, and I have all my books and CDs on shelves so that you have > to tilt your head to the left to read the titles ... > Everytime someone new comes to my house and starts to peruse my CD collection, > they comments on how the CDs are "flipped". Don't let my mom anywhere *near* your house, Don! She's so compulsive, she'd start turning them back the other way. Even though I'm right handed, I'm left-eyed, so I have my CDs set up the same as Don. Any time she comes up to visit, she rearranges *everything*. Even the cans of soup in my cupboard get rearranged in alphabetical order. Someone needs a hobby... Today I picked up my Spell CD from the post office. They weren't open yet, but as I'm leaving at the crack of dawn tomorrow, I begged and pleaded for them to give me my CD (since it got sent registered mail, I would have had to have been home when they delivered or go to the post office during normal business hours). I have listened to it once already, and am about to put my headphones back on for another go. I so do not know about www! RAP??? Mmmm, might just have to get a programmable CD player to skip that pup... A couple of people asked if I'm *really* a doctor. Yes, I am - I am a scientist, not a medical doctor. I have a doctorate in quantitative psychology (UNC-Chapel Hill, 1994), and the higher-ups on the food chain where I work like for us to have all our titles on our email so when we write to others it looks like we know what we're doing. ;-) According to the etiquette mavens, I can either have Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer or Laura M.B. Kramer, Ph.D. The second way still leads to that whole Miss/Ms./Mrs. thing, so I just use the Dr. form to circumvent the issue. But Mikey, you can still call me Bonehead! ;-) Back to The Spell ... :-) Laura # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SODERBLOM@webtv.net (Eric Soderblom) Subject: (hats) profanity Date: 15 May 1997 11:08:32 -0700 I agree with BDay0000. Hey Bill, If you don't approve of the lyrics, why don't you NOT FU*%#ING LISTEN TO IT?!?!?! Eric P.S. Get a life! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SINSFDWF@Admin.UH.EDU Subject: Re: (hats) sideways/under Ivan's Spell" Date: 15 May 1997 13:54:39 -0500 (CDT) Laura says >Don sez... >> I'm left-handed, and I have all my books and CDs on shelves so that you have >> to tilt your head to the left to read the titles ... >> Everytime someone new comes to my house and starts to peruse my CD >> collection, >> they comments on how the CDs are "flipped". > >Don't let my mom anywhere *near* your house, Don! She's so >compulsive, she'd start turning them back the other way. Even though >I'm right handed, I'm left-eyed, so I have my CDs set up the same as >Don. Any time she comes up to visit, she rearranges *everything*. >Even the cans of soup in my cupboard get rearranged in alphabetical >order. Someone needs a hobby... ??? What does handedness (or eyedness) have to do with it? I'm left- handed (and left-eyed as far as I know) and have always put my cds the same way I grew up putting books and albums, i.e., so the cover is right side up and the cover on the right. In any event, cds with the title the "wrong" way used to bother me enough that I actually opened a couple up, tore the spine part off and flipped it around, then snapped the case back together. But it doesn't bother me that much anymore. Btw, do you leftoids flip the cds over so the cover's upside down or turn them around so the end that opens is facing the front? I just noticed today that most of my cds (okay, 7 of the 8 I have at work) have the text printed the other way on the other end. The odd ball is an old Adam Ant disk (Epic domestic). The two imports are printed just like the rest of the domestics. For someone who's not anal enough to care, I sure can blather on about this nonsense, huh? :) Doug # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Howard Abraham" Subject: (Fwd) (hats) profanity Date: 15 May 1997 15:23:21 +0000 >From: SODERBLOM@webtv.net (Eric Soderblom) > >I agree with BDay0000. Hey Bill, If you don't approve of the >lyrics, why don't you NOT FU*%#ING LISTEN TO IT?!?!?! > >Eric I believe that was Bill's original point, Eric. He said that, in the past, he has walked out of a performance where the language was crude. Please pay attention. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: * Subject: Re: (hats) profanity Date: 15 May 1997 18:14:35 -0500 I second Eric... Get a Life Bill. Wolfgang XOX # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Heidi) Subject: Re: (hats) Me too! Date: 15 May 1997 18:34:23 -0400 Since several people have mentioned that they liked Depeche Mode I thought some of you might like to know they're going to be on the Tonight Show tonight (Thursday). As far as I know they're only going to be on long enough to play one song and that's it. But since they're not doing a tour for Ultra, this is one of the few chances to see them `live'. (ok, so it's on tv but you get the idea.) As for the `when we first heard MWOH' thread. Like alot of other people on the list I heard them when Safety Dance first came out. I liked ROY and Folk III alot but wasn't all that thrilled with PGTW. A few songs were good but the others were too `lightweight' (for lack of a better word). I forget the name of the next album but I listened to it once or twice and then got rid of it. I don't remember what it sounded like, just that most of the synths were gone and there really wasn't anything about it that made me want to listen to it again. After that I stopped buying their albums. So the only other songs I've heard were ones that were on the video that was going around the list awhile ago. And no, I have no plans to buy The Spell. I know some of you will consider that blasphmey but from the reviews I've seen on the list, it doesn't sound like something I'd like alot. At this point I figure what I liked about the band was unique to their first two albums. I did get to see them live twice though. Once on the ROY tour and again on the PGTW tour. While I didn't like all of what they played on that one, it was great getting a chance to hear the older songs again since they were still doing some. Those were both at small to mid size clubs so it was a bonus to get to see them at places like that. That was one of the nice things about how many new good bands were around in the mid `80s, getting to see alot of bands at mid size places before they became much bigger names and started playing hockey size arenas. Since several of you have mentioned bands you currently listen to, I'm curious if anyone knows of Andy Pickford, Mark Shreeve or Michael Shipway. They don't fall under they synth pop category at all. They're are synth, but are closer to the Tangerine Dream type. But not quite as sedate as TD gets at times. Shreeve may be better know then the others because he's been around longer, but he doesn't put things out very often. Shipway only has a few albums out sofar but Pickford has done quite a few more reciently. I think they're primarily known in England and have done a few of the big synth fests over there. So since they're aren't all that well known over here I'm curious if any of you do know of them since alot of the people on the list obviously like various forms of synth. =}{= (heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lferguson@mta.ca (Laing Ferguson) Subject: (hats) Review of "The Spell" Date: 15 May 1997 20:42:52 -0300 Hey All, Here is the review of Ivan's new cd from The Record, a Canadian Music Industry magazine. The debut solo album from the man that introduced us to The Safety Dance in the 80's should provoke fans to keep on dancin' this decade with tracks like Superbadgirls, 1972 (Slippin' Away) and the lead single and video, Open Your Eyes. Ivan played everything on the album himself and, even though electronic gadgetry predominates, producer John Punter (Japan,Roxy Music) ensures that the disc lives and breathes and never gets too robotic. Despite the sometimes overly dramatic vocal delivery, you can tell Ivan had fun making this. There you go... has anyone seen the video yet?? Kirk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: (hats) It's fun Date: 15 May 1997 20:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Hey hatters! For a guy like me, living in Montreal, home of MWH, seeing a lot of people all around loving MWH, it's very touching! I though I was the only one listening those cd's after all these years... NOOOO you are there every one. Claude, Vince and me have to organize a MWH memorial tour in Montreal!!!! Ciao everybody Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jdrolet@jetcity.com Subject: (hats) who am I? Date: 15 May 1997 18:39:43 -0700 Hello everyone. My name is Adam Webber and I am 28 years old. I live with my Girlfriend and cat Astrid (2 seperate individuals). I was introduced to Men Without Hats through the Safety Dance video. Although I grew up in Indiana, I now live in Seattle--which I might say is not the ideal city for someone who dearly loves serious synthesizer music. My musical preferences could be described as thoughtful synthpop. I love early Duran, Gary Numan, EARLY OMD, the first several Simple Minds albums, the first two A-Ha albums, and the first two albums by A Flock. I love Men Without Hats as well--though I must confess I don't listen to them as often as most of you. I stay on this list because I really feel a strong connection to most of the people on it! I have several analog synthesizers and have very recently decided to start finishing these odd bits of songs that I am always coming up with. It's so hard to really believe in what you are doing when you go back and listen to some of the brilliant bands listed above. Anyway, this is truly a great list. Thanks all of you for reminding me that there are others out there like myself. Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) Review of "The Spell" Date: 15 May 1997 22:03:12 -0500 Laing Ferguson wrote: > > ... has anyone seen the video yet?? > I just saw it. Like most of MWH videos it didn't impressed me (from a video-director's point of view). The "script" is by Ivan and consist mainly of very close shots of the upper part of his face (with glasses) alternating with long shots of him, sitting on a couch beside a black woman. This is intercut with grainy black & white shots of a Bonny & Clyde type couple driving by in a convertible car. Mitsou plays the part of the girl. The editing is very nervous (goes well with the song). It looks like it's been shot in Super8. The image is a bit overexposed, the colors are bright (mainly red and blue). It does the job (aka; providing a video support to help promote the song). A+ Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: (hats) slight observation Date: 15 May 1997 22:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Did anyone notice that Ivan is missing a thumb on the cover of Spell? Or is it my imagination? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) slight observation Date: 15 May 1997 23:16:31 -0500 BDay0000@aol.com wrote: > > Did anyone notice that Ivan is missing a thumb on the cover of Spell? Or is > it my imagination? He's got two thumb. How much is he supposed to have? Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shriekman@aol.com Subject: (hats) Re: Profanity and the like. Date: 16 May 1997 00:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Wow, I am amazed at the feeble minds of some people on this list. So Bill is Chrisitan and disklikes the use of the Lord's name in vain. I could care less, but I do admire that he hasn't resorted to calling all the people offending him names and telling them to get a life. He has an opinion -- respect it. I would respect yours, if you had one beyond "Hey, get a F***ing life, ASSHOLE!" BTW, I got the spell today, and it is excellent! Esp. Open Your Eyes and You ! Greg the Shriekman (who is not Christian, but believes most Christians are better than most non-christians ;) ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: (hats) Re: Profanity and the Spell. Date: 16 May 1997 08:21:01 EDT On Fri, 16 May 1997 00:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Shriekman@aol.com writes: >Wow, I am amazed at the feeble minds of some people on this list. So >Bill is >Chrisitan and disklikes the use of the Lord's name in vain. I could >care >less, but I do admire that he hasn't resorted to calling all the >people >offending him names and telling them to get a life. He has an opinion >-- >respect it. I would respect yours, if you had one beyond "Hey, get a >F***ing >life, ASSHOLE!" I agree...it's amazing how some people can be so childish. SOmeone gives an opinion and they immediately tell them to get a life. Makes me wonder who really needs the life afterall. >BTW, I got the spell today, and it is excellent! Esp. Open Your Eyes >and >You ! I have to say...I just got the album. AND I HATE TO BURST EVERYONES BUBBLES BUT AS IVAN SAYS: "Open your Eyes". The Emperor has got no clothes on! Guess I was expecting more....not 70's disco. One song sounds exactly like the Village People's Macho Man. (no kidding either). Ivan...What were you thinking??? For those of you interested in true synth pop - check out A Different Drum on the web. The only really good song on Ivan is the title song (and maybe two others). THe rest is garbage IMO. >Greg the Shriekman (who is not Christian, but believes most Christians >are >better than most non-christians ;) ) Rod the CHristian (who is a Christian, but believes there are many people who think they are Christians but aren't thus giving Christians a bad name) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Ivan & French B song is online Date: 16 May 1997 09:47:16 -0400 The song that Claude spoke of, Maintenant ou Jamais (Now or Never), is on my website at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/dmnet.html. The single was produced by Ivan, and he helped write the music, plays all the keyboards, and provides some backup vocals. Dave Mattingly | Under the bludgeonings of chance, DaveM@FocusSoft.Com | My head is bloodied, but unbowed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJP1313@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) WHO AM I? Date: 16 May 1997 10:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Hi! I'm Andrew Pepoy and live in North Carolina(USA). I'm a 28-year-old comic book artist and illustrator, working on everything from Superman, Spider-man, and the X-Men to Barbie, Scooby Doo, and Sonic the Hedgehog, and writing and drawing my own strip,"The Adventures of Simone and Ajax (in which you'll find Simone wearing a MWH t-shirt in one story)," as well as illustrating some magazine stories and a Muslim children's book (and I'm not even Muslim). Since I work at home, I've got lots of time to listen to my MWH (and hundreds of other) CDs and records. I first heard MWH in 1983 (Safety Dance, of corse) and have been hooked ever since, much to the confusion of my friends and now my wife. I've attempted (and failed for various reasons) to see MWH twice. I listen to lots of other bands to, including The Smiths, the Pet Shop Boys, Housemartins, Bis, Shampoo, New Order, Cheap Trick, Revillos, John Foxx, The Dickies, Blur, and far too many more to mention, plus old jazz. I also spend my working hours listening to old radio shows from the '30's-60's (Johnny Dollar, anyone?). I also collect comic books, comic strips, pulps, old movies, especially silents (Louise Brooks especially), and junk that annoys my wife (I don't do it intentionally). And now back to work. -Andrew Pepoy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) Left handed Date: 16 May 1997 11:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Just to have a little fun with a subject that evolved from an e-mail of mine - I'm left handed and stack all my CD's vertically so they'll fit in the holder I have for them. Also, this list is supposed to be a general discussion list primarily focused on MWH why do we need to bicker back and forth. Maybe those angry at the "christian" are sick of the over-religious fanatics that try to push their view point. I understand that because I am not a fan of anyone that's a fanatic no matter what the cause. (yes even if I agree with the cause) However, to resort to third grade tactics of calling names is ridiculous. I'd like to think that most MWH have more intelligence and even if they don't agree with something let it go or dispute it without being so rude. Yes there is "freedom of speech" but there is also "basic human respect". If you need to voice your opinion why not do it in a way that isn't so hostile. Besides, I think most feel your point is lost when you simply unleash a barrage of profanity at someone simply because you like to swear. Yes I swear as well too, but over e-mail there a lot more time to think about how to phrase your thoughts. Besides the original point was that profanity is only useful when it's artist and not just shot out because someone feels like swearing. I think we'd all appreciate it if we can keep the list from becoming a personal battleground. To the list master- you might think up some basic guidelines for conduct on this list and simply kick anyone off who doesn't comply. I'm sure I'll get some flaming responses to this e-mail and if that really makes you feel that much than fine. Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: (hats) Whew! Date: 16 May 1997 08:32:51 -0700 Man, has the discussion on this list gotten heated lately, or what?!?! I'm going to attempt to steer us back to a happier place... I was driving to work this morning, listening to my dub of "The Spell", and "Forever" came on. In the middle of all that rush hour traffic (Silicon Valley, USA), I was being uplifted by those beautiful harmonies in the chorus. What a great song. I'm really enjoying this CD. But I have to ask: those of you who have stated that you don't like "Outro"... why don't you like it? (And I'm not asking this to start another flaming/name-calling war... I'm just trying to get some discussion going...) Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William G. Perrin III" Subject: (hats) Hats on MuchMusic Date: 17 May 1997 00:52:16 +0900 Hi, it's Bill. The only member of this list from Japan. If any of you are interested, I am scheduled to be interviewed by Juliette Powell on MuchMusic (Canada) sometime between 3:30 and 5:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Friday, May 16 (probably closer to 5:00). The show, "Go with the Flow", is broadcast live in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, and elsewhere. If you don't get the channel they also have a live webcast. Go to http://www.muchmusic.com/muchmusic/ for more details. Why would you want to see this? Well, I've been promised a video request and I asked for some Hats (no Safety Dance). You may get to see "I Like" or Ivan's new video. Regardless, if they give me the chance I'll plug the Hats list too. If worst comes to worse, you can watch me screw up my 15 seconds of fame because it'll be about 4:00 AM over here. Should be good for a laugh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Russ Kemsley" Subject: (hats) Bickering Date: 16 May 1997 16:52:11 UT I have been on other lists where this type of bickering has gone on, however, those were list for bands that have a much younger following than Hats and I understand how that happens when youth participate in mailing lists. I am much more offended by bickering on a list than profanity. And in writing this, I may sound hypocritical (as it adds another message to the thread). However, I have seen the Who Am I's come across the list the past week or so and if that is any indication of the average age of folks on the list, then this type of thread should not be happening. We are, for the most part, adults and thus far have let the members maintain and express their opinions without fear of being flamed for them. Hats is the only list I am still subscribed to because all the others were so full of bickering, that I could not tolerate it and promptly unsubscribed. One of the lists, I had been subscribed to for over a year. I have also been on Hats for nearly 18 months and this is the first time a thread like this has happened (to my recollection). Let's stop it now. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: (hats) More MWH happiness Date: 16 May 1997 10:16:48 -0700 Well, since there are a lot of new "faces" on the list, I figured I'd dust off the following jokes. Those of you who remember these may delete this message now, but for those of you who haven't yet been subjected to my mind-numblingly superior sense of humor, I present: REALLY FUNNY MEN WITHOUT HATS JOKES =================================== Q. What does Ivan wear when he's afraid he'll get mugged? A. The Safety Pants. *** Q. What is Ivan's favorite dessert? A. Tira-MITSOU. *** Q. What did Ivan's butcher say? A. "I got the sausage!" *** Ivan's friend Lee was a very talented tailor. One night, at a party, Lee began bragging about a wonderful roll of fabric he had bought. Ivan, his friend Richie, and Richie's wife Coco were at this party. They couldn't really believe that Lee's new fabric could be that exciting. A little aggravated, Lee dashed upstairs, intent on producing his purchase and showing them how fabulous it was. Alas, Lee had downed a few too many beers, and as he began to come down the stairs, an unwrapped flap of fabric slipped between his feet, tripping him up. He fell forward, the fabric unrolling around him as he tumbled. He came to a stop at the bottom of the stairs, unconcious and wrapped in cloth. Ivan saw all this, and yelled to the other people in the room: "Coco! Richie! Lee's tangled in velour!" *** Q. What did Ivan's Jewish friend ask him when he was looking for the Non-Jewish String Quartet's studio? A. "Where do the goys bow?" *** Q. What science topics does Ivan like to read about the most? A. Ant-articles. *** Enjoy! Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: (hats) THE SPELL Date: 16 May 1997 20:49:10 EDT Ok...maybe I spoke a little too quickly this morning when I said the new album was pretty bad. I listened to the new album all day today and I think I'm hooked on most of the songs except for WWW and 1972 (I think that's the one). I hear alot of influences in these songs - from early Bowie (You) to the Village People (1972) to Prince (SuperBadGirls) to rap in general (WWW). Here's my thoughts on all the songs: 1)Spell - great (lyrics bug me) 2)SuperBadGirls - great (lyrics bug me) - sounds like Prince 3)Chain REaction - Hate the intro (sounds like Captain and Tennielle or something) - then it gets better - "Can you dig it?" 4)Open Your Eyes - best song on the album - a classic 5)1972 - The VIllage People song - feel like I'm in a disco - but oddly enough it is ok 6)You - good slow song - some chord changes sound exactly like early Bowie era from Alladdin Sane - did he copy? 7)Forever - great "Pop Goes the World" era song - I was reading someone's post tonight and they mentioned that they were listening to Forever in the car today - that's when I realized that I had that song stuck in my head. 2nd best song? 8)WWW - rap - I think this one will be skipped on my player....it's pretty groovy man "so hop-along cassidy before I bust yo lip!" 9)Somethin' - just ok 10)Fly - great song 11)Outro - cool ending Overall I wish this album had more cohesion to it - more similar tunes - sort of a reflection on how fragmented the music in our society has become. In the 80's you could at least depend on some sameness in the pop music industry. THat's what made the first three albums so good. Overall...the more I listen to it the more I like it. I just wish it were a tad more radio friendly at the beginning of the songs...one or two of them really grate on me at first but as soon as they get past the first few bars I like them alot. Here's a quiz for all of you who got the album: 1) What is the synth with the multi-coloured knobs on the inside of the new Spell album? Where else have you seen this (MWH related)? 2) What piece of equipment (make and model) does the black and silver knob (1-10) come from? First person to guess correctly gets a pat on the back for knowing their vintage equipment... Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul b go Subject: (hats) The Spell - not hatless Date: 17 May 1997 00:39:53 -0500 (CDT) As I was listening to the new Ivan album today and was studying the insert in the jewelbox, something struck me: Ivan's wearing a hat on the cover. Does this mean that he is no longer a "man without hats" ? If so, what are the further implications of this? If Ivan were rebelling against his former hatless days, his music might not be so wonderfully melodic and poppy. If he were merely trying to seperate the man from the band, his music might not be so infectious and cause people to "dance if they want to". If he were making a political statement about the men and women without hate in the 21st century, that the days without hats are over and the days without hate are renewed, his music might inspire us to the contemplative and loving life rather than to superbadgirls. If this were a step sideways from his hatless days, his music might have more of Johnny on the guitar than Jenny on keyboards. Or is this just music for us Folk of the 90's, not country folk, not city folk, but perhaps folk with hats? All I know is that this has put a spell on me and when it comes to the music on this latest effort, I have but two words to describe: I Like. TTFN Paul Go pgo@shrike.depaul.edu "The unexamined life is not worth living, and the unlived life is not worth examining." - Anon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Davis Subject: (hats) a dissenting opinion.. Date: 16 May 1997 16:51:34 -0700 From http://www.hours.qa.ca (Montreal's Hour magazine): Ivan Questions, always questions. Is The Spell merely subtle slight-of-hand intent on disinvesting club kids of their lunch money? Is the Voice from the Bottom of the Ocean really what you want to hear rumbling over second-rate Lionel Richie riffs? Has Ivan lost his mind? Or is Doroschuk's first solo album just a badly misguided attempt to reinvent much of what made him, and former band Men Without Hats, internationally palatable at a time when remedial synth pop was pretty much all there was on the plate? When all the theories have been explored and all the questions asked, there remains but one query that retains any relevence - is it good? Sadly, no. * by O'Meara, Jamie ..that's a single "*". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grebssorg@aol.com Subject: (hats) Madam I'm Not Adam Date: 17 May 1997 19:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Okay, what the heck... My name is Steve, and I'm a 28-year-old math and science teacher. I work in a tiny school in northern California, surrounded by mountains and vineyards. It's wonderful. I have a bad sunburn, as I just returned from a 3-day camping trip with a bunch of 13-year olds. Can you say "masochist"? I always thought I would be on the cutting edge of music, but have learned in the past few years that I will always be stuck in the '80s. I enjoy a fair bit of what my students listen to, but none of it grabs me the way the "old stuff" does. I have about 1200 CD's, and just added a great 2-for-1 to my collection. I'm looking forward to adding three more bootlegs and a "Spell" very soon! Other very very cool bands are: The Icicle Works, The Chameleons, Blue Rodeo, And Also The Trees, Talk Talk, Indochine and about a hundred others. Reading science fiction is one of my other favorite pastimes (just finished Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" -- great book). If any of you live in the UK, and would like to help a fellow hatfan locate some books by John Christopher, I would be undyingly grateful. I have scoured used book stores in many cities, and there are many titles I still haven't found. (I would be more than happy to send some US CD's in exchange, or whatever.) Has anyone heard of a map contest called the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre"? It was absolutely created for visual left-brain compulsive people like me! Anyway, that's more than you'll ever need to know. Thanks for reading (if in fact you bothered to)! --Steve Big Mountain # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: F-Man Subject: (hats) Re: Who are U? Date: 18 May 1997 18:27:20 -0700 Hi all, First of all my name if Francois Blawat and I'm 28 as of 7-days ago. I first got into MWH in the early 80's. My best friend and I went to a church retreat where we got together with about 20 other kids. The first time I heard "Safety-Dance" was on the roof of this resort. We kind of snuck out every-night to watch the stars and gossip. Someone from the group had a tape and it was playing "Safety-Dance". Since then, I've been "hooked" to MWH. My taste for MWH was also giving way to Thompson Twins and Information Society. My mother was born and raised in Paris France so I know how to speak French but writing it is another story. My mother taught me French first then english. Needless to say, I have problems writing in both languages. Hope to see more info of MWH fans soon! Francois -- F-Man E-Mail: Cunablawat@worldnet.att.net) URL: http://www.Geocities.com/Area51/7739 Fixit Man :) <----That's Me ********************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: (hats) Gentlemen Without Weapons Date: 19 May 1997 00:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Someone on one of the mailing lists I'm on made a comment about this group recently. If you're out there, please e-mail me privately. Thanks, Dave K--gotta go listen to the Spell again.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: (hats) Another contribution Date: 19 May 1997 11:07:51 -0500 Hi everybody! As I'm pretty new to this group, I don't know all the informations that have already made it to all of you. I saw that you were familiar with Ivan's collaboration with Mitsou and Voivod. But were you aware of is collaboration with THE NILS? In 1985, Stefan Doroschuk produce a E.P. (4 songs) for Montreal's punk band THE NILS. Ivan played keyboards on it (and it shows) and he also draw the front cover of the album. The thing is call SELL OUT YOUNG! It was released by PSYCHE RECORDS, serial # Pir 06. The good news is, MAG WHEEL RECORDS, an independant Montreal record company, just released a CD (THE NILS - Green Fields In Daylight), collecting all the offerings from that young band, including the 4 songs AND the artwork from SELL OUT YOUNG! As a bonus, they added a cover of a song called POP GOES THE WORLD. Serial # MAG012. As a response to the WHO ARE YOU? thread, I'm compiling names, ages and country of origin of everybody answering. I allready have 38 names. When it's complete I send you some interesting statistics. For example; 28 seams to be the perfect age to be a MWH fan! MWH is a guy's band (only 1 doctor, I mean girl in the group!). So for those of you who did'nt answered the call yet, make your move... Gotta go... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R Subject: (hats) bye Date: 19 May 1997 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Well, I'm leaving this list for the summer. I'll see everyone when school starts at the end of August. If anything really great happens as far as the Hats are concerned someone please tell me when I get back. Thanks much, have a good summer all Charlie Garbowski # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) Another contribution Date: 19 May 1997 19:30:29 -0500 To all, Oups, I goofed on this one! The CD I told you about from THE NILS doesn't contain everything the band produced, only the material that was not already available on CD. They did release a CD version of there one and only self-titled LP. Thanks to James for kindly remembering this fact. To James, I had completely forgot about this album. I have it on vinyl but not on CD. If by any chance you come in close contact with another copy, let me know. I'll start looking. Take care everybody... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BDay0000@aol.com Subject: (hats) Another Hats fan.... Date: 19 May 1997 20:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Name: Brad Day, the man Place of residence: Atlanta, GA USA (and it is hot and humid already) Age: Used to be 28, now 30 Marital Status: Girlfriend (where the hell is she _now_?) Occupation: Help Desk (yawn) Favorite music: MWH, Numan, Bowie, Morphine, Black, Alphaville...etc Hobbies: Music related activities, some sports, hanging with the gang... Other: Going to sunny England this fall to see my first Numan show (after 15 years!!) end PS Happy Victoria Day!!!!!! (Yes, I have no idea what this is...anyone?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gino D. Rodeghier" Subject: (hats) Intro Date: 19 May 1997 21:05:38 -0700 New mail list member info OR "The cure of insommnia" Name: Gino Rodeghier Place of residence: Hacienda Heights, California Age: 34 Marital Status: single Occupation: Systems Analyst (I also worked on a Help Desk as Brad Day did, but I'm still sane, no I'm not, yes I am....) Favorite music: MWH, Laurie Anderson, Natalie Merchant, Cheap Trick, Jazz (used to play Clarinet and String Bass) Hobbies: Music, Maritime history, Scottish history, member of the Queen Mary Foundation < http://www.queenmary.org > . Nighty night. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Jackson Subject: (hats) Ok, ok... My Turn Date: 20 May 1997 12:02:14 -0400 Hi! I've been a bit of a lurker here, mostly because we're trying to get our software out the door and I don't have too much free time for writing e-mail. But that's beside the point... Let me say that I have enjoyed reading other's descriptions of themselves, and I have been meaning to send mine in for some time now. Add me to the list of "computer geeks" (and I use the term "geek" in the best sense of the word). I'm male, 27, married for almost 8 months, recent home-buyer (bought a ~125-year-old Victorian farmhouse). Oh, and I'm not an albino-howler-monkey-named-skippy, just for the record. ;-) Like many of you, _The Safety Dance_ was my first introduction to the band. Bought _ROY_ on vinyl right away. For some reason, I never bought _FOTE (III)_ when it came out. I think it was because I thought it was _ROY_, but with a different colored cover! Sometimes, I wonder how I ever made it through school after looking back and seeing some of the silly things I thought and did... _The Collection_ introduced me to the "regular" version of _The Safety Dance_. I never knew I had been listening to the "Extended Remix" all these years. I actually like the "regular" version better! Also like many of you, I continually check the Men Without Hats section of music stores, and I am proud to say that I never find anything I don't already have. Of course, all I've seen lately is the _Collection_ and the UK Remix CDs. Before I forget, I'm left-handed, too, but I don't rearrange my discs so that the labels all read the same way (I *do* make sure that all the discs in all of their cases are right-side-up, so that when you open the case, you don't have to twist your head all around to read the disc, but that's a different story, all together!). So how many lefties (or "leftoids" as we've been referred to) are on this list? I bought _PGTW_ and _21st C._ the first time I saw it in the store, and I have never regretted it! Didn't have much money at the time, but I have learned one thing in life (but not ONLY one thing): take opportunities while you have them. If you don't, you'll miss your chance -- possibly forever! Doesn't mean I always live by that, though, but I learned it! I am in the deepest of gratitude (if that's possible) to Carl and Thomas and Laura (PhD) for helping me acquire the 2-fer! You guys are awesome! I also would like to thank the person(s) who posted the Montreal HMV 800 number, which allowed me to purchase _The Spell_. I'm so glad the lady who answered the phone spoke English, too, since my Spanish is no help in translating French (Canadian or otherwise)! As for _The Spell_-- I like it! Ivan has produced stronger albums, true, but the songs are catchy, DANCEABLE, electronic... And "Ivan" fits nicely between Billy Idol's, _Cyberpunk_ and Jane's Addiction's, _Nothing's Shocking_ in my CD rack. My wife's two comments are, "It sounds 80's," which is a good comment by my standards, and, "I like the rap song," which is also a good comment. Like Laura keeping her husband around despite not liking MWH, I keep my wife around, too. Sorry this message is dragging on, but since I don't post that often, I hope you'll forgive me... A few of you claim to like most music except for opera and country/ western. I used to make that claim, too, but I bought _Turandot_ a couple of years ago (that _Nessun Dorma_ is sooo powerful!!!), so my list of non-likes is down to only country/western. The Blues Brothers do a great version of _Rawhide_, though... And have you hear Lyle Lovett's version of _Stand By Your Man_? Well, come to think of it, I can tolerate country/western, but I don't listen to it often, and definitely not by choice! My other favorite bands (and I classify this by the numbers of CDs I have by them) are Simple Minds, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, and that other Canadian band, Rush. Yes, there are numerous others -- e-mail me privately if you're really *that* interested to know. I work in Atlanta, so Mr. Brad Day, let me know if you want to have lunch sometime. Forever Hatless (except when attending Braves games), Steve -- mailto:sj@synchrologic.com http://www.synchrologic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." Subject: Re: (hats) Intro Date: 20 May 1997 13:02:36 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 19 May 1997, Gino D. Rodeghier wrote: > Occupation: Systems Analyst > (I also worked on a Help Desk as Brad Day did, but > I'm still sane, no I'm not, yes I am....) Helpdesk? I've worked Helpdesk at two different schools, and am now managing a lab on campus... sanity... ha! ;) +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Hiram W. Lester, Jr. | E-Mail: hwlester@pobox.com | | Computer Science | Home page: | | Middle Tennessee State University | http://pobox.com/~hwlester/ | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paul b go Subject: Re: (hats) Madam I'm Not Adam Date: 20 May 1997 18:04:57 -0500 (CDT) Fellow hat fan, Just finished reading your bio and I am very intrigued. I too am a sf reader. I enjoyed "the Gods Themselves" (in fact, more than his other novels). Seeing as you are a teacher and an SF reader, I would love your comments on "Higher Education" by Charles Sheffeld and Jerry Pournelle, if you have read it. If you haven't, please do so you can comment mightily ;). I have read the tripod series by Christopher and have seen it in the young adults sections of bookstores as of late. You might try there. Thanks and good day. Paul Go pgo@shrike.depaul.edu "The unexamined life is not worth living, and the unlived life is not worth examining." - Anon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJP1313@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Original ROY cd Date: 21 May 1997 09:58:28 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-14 20:33:35 EDT, you write: << Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction in England. >> Wow! But I bet noone would give me that for mine now that the 2-1 is out. -Andrew # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gregory T. Samson" Subject: Re: (hats) Original ROY cd Date: 21 May 1997 13:00:38 -0400 At 09:58 -0400 05/21/97, AJP1313@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-05-14 20:33:35 EDT, you write: > ><< Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to > someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction in > England. >> >Wow! But I bet noone would give me that for mine now that the 2-1 is out. well you know what the neat thing is, though (at least, *I* think so, as a person who's had 2 copies of the original ROY pass through his hands) - the 2-fer pretty much removes the value of original copies of FOTE3, but there ARE still several tracks on the original ROY that are not on the two-fer. so i'm betting it retains some value beyond the sentimental. i don't know if you intended it that way, carl, but thanks. :) i prize my copy of the original ROY very highly indeed and i'm glad that steps were taken that ended in getting the music out to ALL of us! -- Gregory T. Samson, MD - Dr. Evil Microwizard (gts@oz.net) "the rain fell, and the ants came." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lferguson@mta.ca (Laing Ferguson) Subject: (hats) Ivan video on MuchMusic Date: 22 May 1997 14:15:56 -0300 I just saw the new Ivan video on Much Music, they followed it with the video for Safety Dance. It came on at around 12:45 pm Eastern Time, I don't know when or if it will be repeated, if anyone is in Toronto maybe you could call them up and see, their number is (416) 591-5757 . Kirk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) re: Ivan on MuchMusic Date: 22 May 1997 15:07:37 -0400 I just deleted the message from whoever posted that they saw the new Ivan= video on MuchMusic this afternoon. Sorry I can't credit you with letting= us know about this! I spoke to someone at Much Music. They said that if the video was on at exactly 12:45 this afternoon it will be repeated at exactly 7:15 am tomorrow (Friday) morning. I have already set my VCR! Still completely Spell bound (after dozens of listens). Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement Date: 22 May 1997 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Where do your MWH and Ivan cd's/vinyl/tapes fit between in your music collection? My Ivan CD fits between: ISM- "I think I love you" and "JOE JACKSON- "jumpin' jive" My MWH CD's fit between: MENDELSSOHN- "greatest hits" and MEPHISKAPHELES- "god bless satan" Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LORD HASENPFEFFER Subject: (hats) Betwixt & Between Date: 22 May 1997 21:56:19 -0400 (EDT) MWH 12"s : between Madonna, "Angel" and Michel'Le, "No More Lies" MWH LP's : between Met At Work, "Cargo" and Bette Midler, "Mud Will Be Flung Tonight!" MWH CD's : not between anything in particular - set aside as a group all to themselves! Myke mykec@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/mykec # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schachter Subject: (hats) Re: MWH, Ivan CD placement Date: 22 May 1997 22:03:43 -0400 (EDT) >Where do your MWH and Ivan cd's/vinyl/tapes fit between in your music >collection? Interesting question.... I sort my CD's by the day of the week I bought them, then by color. No, just kidding. I've run out of room in my CD shelves, but once I get more, Ivan will be between INXS "The Swing" and Joe Jackson "Night and Day". MWH CD's are between Men At Work "Business as Usual" and Modern English "After the Snow". Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gigarpus Subject: Re: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement Date: 22 May 1997 22:31:15 -0500 Okay, that's a funny way to know each others MWH 12"s: between various MWH LP's MWH LP's: between Men At Work, "Cargo" and Metal Church (self-titled) MWH CD's: between Meat Loaf, "Bat Out of Hell II" and Metallica, "...And Justice For All" Yvan's CD: Under "Jewels of the Oracle" CD-ROM and on top of FrenchB, "Maintenant ou jamais" (that's on my desk) Mmmm.... I don't think that's funny after all... Claude # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars Wendt" Subject: (hats) Betwixt & Between Date: 23 May 1997 09:12:44 +0200 MWH CD's : Fits nicely between The Men They Couldn't Hang, "The domino cl= ub" = and Felix Mendelssohn, "A midsummer nights dream" Regards = Lars W. _________________________________________________________________ Lars Wendt Telenor Nextel AS Tel + 47 22771900 - ext: + 47 22771806 Fax + 47 22771910 Internet: lars.wendt@nextel.no P.O.Box 393, Sk=F8yen, 0212 Oslo, Norway Office: Drammensveien 167, Sj=F8lyst __________________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: (hats) Re: Another contribution Date: 23 May 1997 16:54:21 +0200 (MET DST) > As a response to the WHO ARE YOU? thread, I'm compiling names, ages and > country of origin of everybody answering. I allready have 38 names. When > it's complete I send you some interesting statistics. Statistics? Phew!! Let me be in!! Wanted to bore you with my MWH story anyway... O.k. My name is Thomas Bieler and I live in Stuttgart, southern Germany. I'm 24 years old, single, and a student of computer science (at least, I used to be). I like sports (fistball, volleyball, cycling), reading, philosophy, nature and of course I spend a lot of time on collecting and listening to musique (sic!). What might seem unbelievable to some of you is that I don't own a TV, nor a car, nor a credit card. Ah yes, plus I'm right-handed. ;-) As for CD placement: I store my CDs in the order of buying, but maybe I'll try to reconstruct what my MWH stuff would be placed between. At least, it wouldn't be after Men At Work's 'Cargo' (like evrybody else's seems to ;-), as I don't own it. Meat Loaf might be a good guess, though. My first introduction to MWH was in 1987 when PGTW was once played on a German maxi-singles radio show. I liked it immediately and lucky enough the DJ said what it was after the song. In April 88 I bought the PGTW 12" single and it became one of my most favorite 12"es. After switching to CDs, It was one of the very few 12"es which I also bought the CD version of. That was in June 89. This disc also has "The End Of The World", and it's weird that I didn't pay any attention to that song as it should totally haunt me many years later when listening to the PGTW album for the first time. Looking back, the thing that's really amazing me is that, unlike so many other bands that were one-hit wonders to me, MWH always kept haunting me. I knew absolutely nothing about that band, but somehow deep inside there was the continuous desire to find out more. Sounds stupid, but I don't know how else to descibe what I felt. But step by step... Two years later, in May 91, I came across a vinyl copy of "...In the 21st Century" (in a cut out bin, like you tend to say) and took it with me. I listened to it one or two times but didn't pay any further attention to it (mostly, because it was on 'the wrong' format). Then some day I heard TSD on the radio for the first time. Somehow I had known before that this was MWH's biggest hit. I recognized it by the synth melody that was also used in PGTW, so in the first place I thought they're one of those bands who don't change much about their music from one song to another... Nevertheless I liked it immediately, so I bought the maxi-CD of TSD (the 'fake' one), the ROY tape, and the Moonbeam 12" in December 1994. This was everything I could get hold of at that time; I had even bought the ROY tape although I never ever used to buy tapes. So I liked TSD, I liked Moonbeam, I ignored ROY (most possibly because it was on 'the very wrong' format). So the 'breakthrough' still had to come... It must have been around that time, early 1995, when I first subscribed to this list. I was absolutely new to the net and the list was absolutely dead. After two weeks of waiting I thought to myself 'ah, that's how a mailing list works: You subscribe and nothing more happens.' I gave it another try half a year later, and this time there was activity. The rest is history. Under the influence of the discussions on the list I got the Sideways CD from James Davis in July 96. In January 97 I found a used copy of the PGTW CD and fell in love with it immediately. In February my three bootleg CDs arrived, and in March I received a giant pile of ROY CDs, some of which I traded for '... In The 21st Century', Collection, and 'Greatest Hats', to make my MWH collection complete. As for now, I like ROY, FOT1&3, and PGTW. I also like the live discs, even though I'm usually not into live music at all. I have to get deeper into ..21st.. and Sideways, though, although they have their moments when it comes to the slow songs. Hey, I'm a Hats newbie! Most probably I'm the only person here who became a MWH fan *after* joining the list!! As for other music, I mostly listen to 80s synth pop, like so many here. Here are some names: Sigue Sigue Sputnik - Now *that's* persecution!! ;-) S.P.O.C.K - MUST try them if you didn't yet!! They are the 90s' reincarnation of the 80s: Happy synth tunes, funny lyrics, sometimes thoughtful - just music to have fun with! Also, they are all about space/Star Trek topics. Kraftwerk They Might Be Giants Lots of Germany's 80's one hit wonders Early Pet Shop Boys The Human League Nena Berlin Front 242 Love Is Colder Than Death (They have a weird name and make atmospheric-neoclassical pop music) The Fair Sex (Well, they also have a weird name. I Don't need to explain it to you, as most people here are English natives, but I'm used to offended reactions when I mention them here in Germany) ;-) Pink Floyd These are the most important, I think. Thank you for reading that far, if you did! Best wishes, Thomas --- Laura, did I shock you too much or didn't you get my message last week? Pleeaase reply. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fehnnik Fox Subject: (hats) Who am I? Date: 23 May 1997 09:37:50 -0600 Well, let's see... My real name is Alex Billings. I'm a 22 year = old student at the University of Colorado. I'm currently studying = Information Systems Management and working at Lockheed Martin. Some of = my interests include computers, role-playing games and coffee. I first became interested in MWH in 1991 when one of our local radio = stations played The Safety Dance during its all 80's hour. After = hearing this song, I knew I had to have it. The next day my friends and = I went on a quest throughout the city to find TSD, and eventually = tracked down the ROY tape. Since then, I've found The 21st Century, = first the tape, then the CD. I found Sideways at our lock used CD store. = I found two ROY LP's in the bargain bin at our local Best Buy, and two = FOTE(III) LP's I found in the same bin for 29 cents each (opened one of = each, and kept the other in the shrink wrap), I luckily got the 3 CD = bootleg set. The UK TSD remix album is everywhere, so I got that too. = I got the Collection CD so I could have some ROY and FOTE(III) material = on CD. Claude helped me get a Pop Goes the World CD from Canada to = replace my dying tape copy. Lastly, I've just received the new Ivan = album in the mail and I'm hooked on "Open Your Eyes". I organize my CD's by band and age in a vertical storage rack with = the oldest being on top and getting progressively newer as you move = down. And, for those of you who are interested, I am also right handed. --Fehnnik Fox "American Espresso: Don't drink foam without it!" Be sure to check out my homepage at: http://shell.rmi.net/~fehnnik And my Men Without Hats page at: http://members.aol.com/fehnnik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement Date: 23 May 1997 09:45:28 -0600 (MDT) > Where do your MWH and Ivan cd's/vinyl/tapes fit between in your music > collection? What, did this discussion get dragged over here from Alloy? Vinyl: Men At Work "Two Hearts" LP // Midnight Oil "Beds Are Burning" 12" CD: Megabyte "Go For It" CD // Mercury+Caballe "Barcelona" CD5 -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric W. Soderblom" Subject: (hats) MIDI Date: 23 May 1997 17:06:26 -0700 Hello all, I don't know if this subject has been address yet, but does anyone have any Hats MIDI files, or is anyone interested in making one??? Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Who am I? Date: 23 May 1997 22:51:27 EDT On Fri, 23 May 1997 09:37:50 -0600 Fehnnik Fox writes: > I organize my CD's by band and age in a vertical storage rack >with = >the oldest being on top and getting progressively newer as you move = >down. And, for those of you who are interested, I am also right >handed. Ok...ok. Here's my CD info. I lost count at over 1000 and I keep them all in individual Case Logic Sleeves which take up about 1/8th the space of regular CD jewel cases (which I hate because the little CD holder clips always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I just got that arrived broken). So I've got all of these sleeves in five wooden Case Logic boxes on two shelves. Each sleeve has a place at the top (back and front) where you can slip in the end paper pieces from the bottom of the jewel box so everything is always right side up. I don't store them in any alphabetical order at all. I used to, but it soon got out of hand after I would take 30 or so to work with me. So I now arrange them by most frequently listened to (front to back). That way, I can pull the CD's near the back when i want something new adn put the ones I just listened to in the front. For what it's worth I used to arrange my CD's seasonally, or in order of when they brought back memories. And I'm right handed. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jkriens Subject: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases Date: 24 May 1997 01:03:27 -0400 Jupiter Eight, jupiter-8@juno.com writes: >always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I just >got that arrived broken). So I've got all of these sleeves in five wooden Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too. What's up with that? It seems like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those that are imported. Hm. -John Kriens jkriens@cybernex.net "Life is like a metaphor." -Karl Lohner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shriekman@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases Date: 25 May 1997 00:18:53 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-24 23:41:56 EDT, you write: > Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too. What's up with that? It seems > like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those that > are imported. Hm Mine was broken as well. Perhaps the problem isn't that they're imports, but that HMV tries to get rid of all their broken cases when they send out mail orders to America, where we can't complain or do returns! ;) BTW, as I listen more and more to the Ivan CD, the more I like it. Several songs remind me of PGTW, and In the 21st.... "You" is really great.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theartdept@worldnet.att.net (rod) Subject: Re: (hats) Broken CD cases Date: 24 May 1997 21:24:12 -0700 Hey!! MY Ivan cd came broken as well, from HMV Toronto. Maybe we should take a poll and let them know that they should pack things a little better!!! I don't think "imports" are genetically predisposed to breakage. I think it has more to do with the care that goes into packing for shipping. If I have the chance I usually ask for the cd to be shipped without the jewel case. Cheaper... also less trauma... Rod Los Angeles theartdept@worldnet.att.net >Jupiter Eight, jupiter-8@juno.com writes: > >>always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I just >>got that arrived broken). >Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too. What's up with that? It seems >like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those that >are imported. Hm. > >-John Kriens >jkriens@cybernex.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Grebssorg@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement Date: 25 May 1997 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Hey listfolk... My MWH CD's are placed between The Men They Couldn't Hang's "Silvertown" and Microdisney's "Love Your Enemies" (originally released on vinyl as "We Hate You South African Bastards"). The Ivan CD (when it gets here) will go between the new INXS album "Elegantly Wasted" and David J's "Etiquette Of Violence". Back in my very first days of collecting, I had all my cassettes in the order I bought them (for the first 100 tapes or so). At that time, "Rhythm Of Youth" (the fourth tape I ever bought) came after Duran Duran's "Rio" and before "Reach The Beach" by the Fixx. Whoever came up with the question, it's a pretty good one. --Swahili Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William Black" Subject: (hats) MWH CD placement Date: 25 May 1997 22:45:43 UT My MWH CD's are all over the place since my kids constantly shuffle their location. I consider myself fortunate to find the CD in its own jewel case. If my kids ever decide to become organized, and I alphabetized my CD's (not too hard since I only have about 100 music CD's), they would probably fit somewhere between Jethro Tull and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I am right-handed but frequently use my left to keep people's tongues out of the way while I drill away on their teeth to get rid of those nasty cavity bugs. Reminds me of that song by "Weird Al" Yankovic, called Cavity Search. ...numb me, drill me, floss me, bill me..... Bill # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Hopman Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement Date: 25 May 1997 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT) OK... CDs between Mentallo and the Fixer and Mephisto Walz LPs between Mecano and and Mighty Sphincter. 7" between Meat Whiplash and John Merlon. dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases Date: 25 May 1997 21:48:46 EDT On Sat, 24 May 97 01:03:27 -0400 jkriens writes: >Jupiter Eight, jupiter-8@juno.com writes: > >>always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I >just >>got that arrived broken). So I've got all of these sleeves in five >wooden > >Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too. What's up with that? It seems > >like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those >that >are imported. Hm. When they first designed CD Jewel boxes they made the bottom portion out of a more flexible plastic so the little things wouldn't break. But the outside part always did, especially at the hinge. Now they make alot of them out of the fragile clear plastic and nobody thought to redesign the case. The imported ones have fewer clips to hold in the CD too. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: Re: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases Date: 26 May 1997 18:23:18 +0200 (MET DST) > When they first designed CD Jewel boxes they made the bottom portion out > of a more flexible plastic so the little things wouldn't break. But the > outside part always did, especially at the hinge. Now they make alot of > them out of the fragile clear plastic and nobody thought to redesign the > case. The imported ones have fewer clips to hold in the CD too. Just out of interest: Did any of the ROY CDs arrive with boken clips? The clips break really easy, just smash the box upright on the table a little violent, and voila: The clip is broken. I saw a tray design lately where four of the eight clips were diagonally connected to prevent them from breaking. The other four held the CD. Some Maxi-CD boxes use a similar trick for years. Also, I have some CD trays which have four naps on the edge of the dent where the disc lies in, possibly to prevent the disc from moving so far that the clips break. Man, we're talking about a lot of really important things lately, aren't we? ;-) Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc Date: 26 May 1997 23:15:41 -0400 The local Guelph paper ran the following story in its entertainment secti= on on Saturday. Thought all of you might find it interesting. ---------------------- MEN WITHOUT HATS LEADER RETURNS Toronto (Canadian Press) He was always hatless, but Ivan - leader of the defunct Montreal band Men= Without Hats - never stopped wearing dancing shoes. Almost 15 years after the Men created the disco staple Safety Dance, the former Ivan Doroschuk is back. Now he's just plain Ivan and his first solo album, The Spell, treads the same techno-pop ground that has bands like Prodigy and the Chemistry Brothers dancing up the charts. It's a disco heavy affair, with pulsating rhythms that would sound at hom= e on the soundtracks of any of the recent spate of '70s nostalgia movies. = The approach shouldn't surprise anyone, says Ivan, who oddly enough is wearing a hat - a backwards baseball cap, to be specific. "They are my shoes," he says of his disco roots as he sips Perrier in a downtown hotel. "Growing up in the '70s, that's what I listened to, and I've always used computer-generated sounds on my records. Ivan has no delusions of grandeur for the album. But then he had no inkling Safety Dance would become an international smash in 1983 either. = The Men also scored Canadian hits with Pop Goes the World and Hey Men before fading into obscurity. Soft-spoken to the point where he sometimes has to be asked to repeat himself, Ivan is nothing if not sanguine. He's lived in Montreal most of= his life, and has no desire to leave despite the presence of a star syste= m that he says has little room for English artists. "It really works for them," he says, noting the international successes o= f artists like Celine Dion, Roch Voisine and Mitsou, a close friend whom he= credits with making many excellent suggestions for The Spell. "The English side is very small and on its own. But it's kind of cool. = The fact that there's no industry there doesn't inhibit the bands; the bands don't have any roadblocks to their creativity." "They're more unique, I find." Ivan compares the English-language music scene in Montreal to New York in= the '60s, with artists from all over the country spending time together a= nd dabbling in various musical styles, not bothered by record company types looking for the next big thing. Montreal-based bands including Moist, the Tea Party and the Doughboys oft= en hand out together at the Cafeteria, a cafe on ultra-trendy St-Laurent Street. ---------------- I finally watched the video for Open Your Eyes that I taped Friday mornin= g. I have one simple comment; I don't get it. As a "typical" consumer of art, this leads me in the general direction of not liking it very much. = Maybe with a little more explanation as to what is supposed to be happeni= ng I would like it more. Unless that's the point; it has no point and isn't= supposed to make sense. If that's what its supposed to do then it succee= ds very well. Did anyone understand that? Regarding the current thread on CD ordering in my collection: Ivan - between INXS The Swing and Janet Jackson (my better half's choice= , not mine) MWH - between Men At Work Cargo (again) and George Michael Faith (better= half's) I am right handed, store my CDs in their jewel cases ordered alphabetical= ly from left to right, with the "front" facing right. Does anyone else out there build their own CD racks? I also tend to gravitate towards different CD's at different times of the= year, based upon when I added them to my collection. For example, now th= at summer is getting close, I find myself moving back towards my selection o= f CDs from The Cars, particularly Heartbeat City on the warmer evenings out= on the town. MWH has representatives all across the seasons, with ROY being a summer choice, FOTEIII mainly in the Fall, PGTW in late summer, 21st in early Winter, Sideways in mid Winter. Now, The Spell will be firmly entrenched as a spring favourite. One comment on the 2-4-1. Is there anyone else out there that had never heard the false ending on Mother's Opinion? The track listing on my LP o= f FOTEIII shows the time for this track over a minute shorter. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear the false ending. Enough of my rambling. Still greatly enjoying all my latest acquisitions= , thanks to all! Still waiting for my bootleg set, should be great to have= ! = Still waiting for Ivan tour dates.... can't wait to see him live! Bye for now. Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc Date: 26 May 1997 20:41:10 -0700 > From brad_hull@compuserve.com Mon May 26 20:34:38 1997 > Subject: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc > > > I also tend to gravitate towards different CD's at different times of the > year, based upon when I added them to my collection. For example, now that > summer is getting close, I find myself moving back towards my selection of > CDs from The Cars, particularly Heartbeat City on the warmer evenings out > on the town. MWH has representatives all across the seasons, with ROY > being a summer choice, FOTEIII mainly in the Fall, PGTW in late summer, > 21st in early Winter, Sideways in mid Winter. Now, The Spell will be > firmly entrenched as a spring favourite. > Yet *another* interesting twist this thread is taking! For me, "Rhythm Of Youth" is late spring/early summertime music, "Folk Of The 80s (Part III)" and "Pop Goes The World" are winter/Christmas music (due to getting them both during that time of the year), "... In The 21st Century" is definitely fall, and "Sideways" is spring. And I completely agree with you as far as "Heartbeat City" is concerned... Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Davis Subject: (hats) Toronto tour date! Date: 26 May 1997 10:13:39 -0700 >From the tox.records site: IVAN will be performing at the Lee's Palace in Toronto Saturday the 14th of June at midnight # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) 2-fer thanks!! Date: 27 May 1997 11:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Hi !!!! Just received my 2-fer today, and would like to give a million thanks to: Mike Miller, Rod, and especially Thomas Bieler. You guys have made me a very happy person!!!!! Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CDcollectr@aol.com Subject: (hats) 2-fer thanks again!!! Date: 27 May 1997 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Last one didn't go through well. I Just wanted to thank Mike Miller, Rod, and especially Thomas for helping me obtain the 2-fer. I just received it today. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ray # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) Toronto tour date! Date: 27 May 1997 16:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Anybody know how to get tickets? I need 2, maybe even 4 tickets! Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) Ivan "Concert" Date: 27 May 1997 23:48:02 -0400 I just got off the phone with someone at Lee's Palace in Toronto regardin= g the Ivan show on June 14. Apparently this is part of the North by NorthWest festival in Toronto. = This is a multi-venue, multi-artist, multi-day festival that takes place all over Toronto. I have never been to any part of this festival before,= but from what I have heard all events are usually really packed. The guy at Lee's said that the Ticketmaster wristband policy is in effect= , but I couldn't find anything on the Ticketmaster web site. I'm having my doubts as to whether this would be a good time/place to see= Ivan or not. Lee's is a bar, general admission, tables and bar seating only. N by NW would probably attract alot of people not really intereste= d in just Ivan (I imagine there would be several other bands playing the sa= me night). Anyone else out there that has been to some N by NW events? Let us know what they were like and if it would be worthwhile getting in on the actio= n to see Ivan at Lee's. I REALLY want to see Ivan live, I'm just not sure this is the best place.= Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Norman" Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan "Concert" Date: 28 May 1997 07:23:43 -0400 I just got off the phone with someone at Lee's Palace in Toronto regarding the Ivan show on June 14. Apparently this is part of the North by NorthWest festival in Toronto. This is a multi-venue, multi-artist, multi-day festival that takes place all over Toronto. I have never been to any part of this festival before, but from what I have heard all events are usually really packed. The guy at Lee's said that the Ticketmaster wristband policy is in effect, but I couldn't find anything on the Ticketmaster web site. I'm having my doubts as to whether this would be a good time/place to see Ivan or not. Lee's is a bar, general admission, tables and bar seating only. N by NW would probably attract alot of people not really interested in just Ivan (I imagine there would be several other bands playing the same night). Anyone else out there that has been to some N by NW events? Let us know what they were like and if it would be worthwhile getting in on the action to see Ivan at Lee's. I REALLY want to see Ivan live, I'm just not sure this is the best place. Wait a Minute!!! Isn't the North By Northwest Festival Broadcast on Much Music every year? This will even be on the USA version of Much Music if its what I think it is. We might be able to tape IVAN. :-) Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud) Subject: (hats) Other Canadian bands Date: 28 May 1997 07:35:58 -0700 Sorry to be a *little* off-topic... For those of you who are fans of Canadian music other than MWH, I found a CD you might be interested in. I got a flyer from MODified Alternative Music in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA, which contained the following CD: Various Artists - The Hardest Hits Vol. 3 This great Canadian series features many hard to find 80s tunes, including Vicious Pink's "Cccan't You See" (Extended Version), The Hawaiian Pups' "Baby Judy", the Lotus Eaters' "The First Picture Of You", and many more! Canadian CD $21.95 If anyone out there is interested in this, you can contact MODified as follows: MODified Alternative Music 247 East 900 South Salt Lake City, UT 84111 Phone: 801-355-1770 FAX: 801-355-1773 e-mail: modified@aros.net Web: http//:www.modified-music.com Enjoy! Don2 dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Barland Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement Date: 28 May 1997 10:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Mw/oH fits between Melissa Etheridge (s/t) and Mendelssohn's (grtst hits). In other placements, it always used to amuse me that Schubert would've been next to Rachmaninov, if it weren't for those meddling Sex Pistols. (a few others have intruded since then) You wouldn't guess it from the above, but only a small percentage of my stuff is classical. Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted? Wow, i am impressed - that would drive me crazy! :-) I like your self-adaptive system for cycling through your music though. Thomas -- my 2-for-1 arrived well-packaged and intact, thank you (and laura)! ---- ian barland (ian@cs.rice.edu) Instructor, Comp Sci, Rice U. >From a fortune cookie: "Anyone who makes a blanket statement is a fool." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: RE: (hats) MWH CD placement Date: 28 May 1997 11:55:30 -0400 Ian said: >Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted? Wow, i am impressed - that >would drive me crazy! :-) I also keep my music unsorted. Unsorted to the common eye, that is. I actually keep my music in the order that I listen to it. The stuff I listen to last is on the right, and stuff I haven't listened to in a while is on the left. That way, my favorites are always together, since I've always listened to them last. And if I want to hear something I haven't heard in a while, I know where to look. Currently, Ivan's Spell (which has been looping "Forever" for its second week running) is placed next to Ed's Redeeming Qualities (check my web page for them at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html) and Modern A Cappella (a compilation with The Bobs, Housemartins, etc.). Dave Mattingly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Norman" Subject: (hats) Open Your Eyes - video spotted Date: 28 May 1997 15:05:15 -0400 Ok. I saw the "open your eyes" video at 2:43pm est exactly on Much Music (eastern feed). This mean that it HAS to be repeated in Western Canada at 5:43pm. For those of you in the West of Canada, get those VCRs ready. Mike Best, I will be in the UK tommorow, see ya in a while. Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc Date: 28 May 1997 17:34:24 EDT >I also tend to gravitate towards different CD's at different times of the= >year, based upon when I added them to my collection. For example, now th= >at >summer is getting close, I find myself moving back towards my selection o= >f >CDs from The Cars, particularly Heartbeat City on the warmer evenings out= >on the town. MWH has representatives all across the seasons, with ROY >being a summer choice, FOTEIII mainly in the Fall, PGTW in late summer, >21st in early Winter, Sideways in mid Winter. Now, The Spell will be >firmly entrenched as a spring favourite. ***************** Wow....deja vu!!! Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement Date: 28 May 1997 18:20:04 EDT On Wed, 28 May 1997 10:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Ian Barland writes: >Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted? Wow, i am impressed - that >would drive me crazy! :-) I like your self-adaptive system for >cycling through your music though. Yes I do. And what is weird is that I instinctively know where the CD I want is (at least approximately). Each morning before I leave for work I grab about 50 or so CD's that I want to listen to that day. It really is getting out of hand. Especially since lately The Spell has been on endless loops at work. :) Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement Date: 28 May 1997 18:20:04 EDT On Wed, 28 May 1997 11:55:30 -0400 Dave Mattingly writes: >Ian said: >>Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted? Wow, i am impressed - that >>would drive me crazy! :-) > >I also keep my music unsorted. Unsorted to the common eye, that is. I >actually keep my music in the order that I listen to it. The stuff I >listen to last is on the right, and stuff I haven't listened to in a >while is on the left. That way, my favorites are always together, >since >I've always listened to them last. And if I want to hear something I >haven't heard in a while, I know where to look. > >Currently, Ivan's Spell (which has been looping "Forever" for its >second >week running) is placed next to Ed's Redeeming Qualities (check my web >page for them at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html) and >Modern >A Cappella (a compilation with The Bobs, Housemartins, etc.). I just finished my reply to this post when I came across yours. Pretty strange how we think alike. I even mentioned that the Spell was in an endless loop. My exact wording. Weird. Rod # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lferguson@mta.ca (Laing Ferguson) Subject: (hats) Ivan showcase Date: 28 May 1997 20:04:19 -0300 Hi, I was glad to hear that Ivan's midnight show was part of the North By NorthWest music festival, because that should mean that the planned mini tour is still to come. If you are in Toronto and go to the show please report in on what songs Ivan performs and what the show was like. Much Music usually has fairly good coverage of this event so they may interview Ivan and show a clip of his performance. I hope he makes a visit to their studios for an interview plus some videos. I haven't checked out the Tox Records site recently, but hopefully they will announce future concert dates that will be JUST Ivan's concert. Then the place will be full of his fans and a great time will be had by all. This sounds more like a showcase so the industry can see Ivan perform, I do hope a proper tour is still in the works. Brad, if it doesn't cost a lot you probably should check it out even with your reservations about the venue/event (I probably would, but I won't be in Toronto on that day). Kirk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: (hats) North by Northeast website Date: 28 May 1997 19:46:11 -0400 (EDT) I found a website about the music conference. Here's the addy: http://www.nxne.com/index.html excerpts from the site: <> Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Avi Rosenthal" Subject: (hats) The Spell Date: 29 May 1997 02:14:21 UT i just gave the spell a listen for the first time and i have to say that i love it !!! all of the tracks are new and very well done. i think that if MWH released a cd today it would sound a lot like this one. it has earned a place in my cd changer. the case however will be between Information Society and Jesus Jones. try this : a shuffle play of the 2fer and this cd it is tough to pick out which is which. they all sound like they belong together. avi p.s. my case came intact, i guess i'm just lucky !!!! ;) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bradley N. Hull" Subject: (hats) Ivan Concert Date: 29 May 1997 13:52:14 -0400 Received the following from a fellow lister. Sounds promising! -------snip------ Brad.... heres some info you requested- feel free to share it with the list: it called the North by North East festival (NXNE) wristbands are avail for $29 Can or (i think ) $ 6 at each show 4 - 5 bands per night/ per venue (my band is one of them... and as much as id like to see Ivan- I have to = perform the same night!!!) Ivan told me the show will consist of DJs and a couple of dancers... (i last = ran into him at the beginning of April)- not sure if much has changed Lee's Palace is an Amazing Club !!! Its very Cool... holds about 500, and= is = a great place to see a band. This is Ivans first show since 91 - GO !!!! I wish i could Feel free to write me with any other questions W -----------snip-------- I have ordered my wristband from TicketMaster so I will be there. If anyone else is planning to attend, please e-mail me. I will be going "stag" and don't exactly relish the idea of sitting on my own in a bar fo= r several hours! Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) the spell Date: 29 May 1997 19:07:08 +0100 well, sorry to be the first to down the album but on my initial hearing it isn't anything special! (I bet I'll be banned from the channel now but thats my personal view!) Some of the stuff is OK, but I'm not sure what market he is aiming at. Parts of it sounds really thin - no real depth - predictable synth riffs - vocals mixed too loud etc... Before you all shout 'what the hell does he know about it', as well as programming I also own a couple of studios and mix music myself... Anyway, thats only the first listening so (hopefully) it'll grow on me. I really like the hook to Open Your Eyes but the rest of it isn't up to the chorus. Ivan: sorry but I think you've made a damned good effort but just missed the target. If you want a free remix then please get in touch... to the rest of you: you can dance if you want - I'll sit this one out! Mike PS "Chain Reaction" is playing now - I like this one - honest!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike Subject: (hats) further Date: 29 May 1997 19:32:22 +0100 further to the doom and gloom of the first mail (you must remember that one!) I really like 'forever' - sounds like Strawberry Switchblade... must have missed this one the first time round! I'll dance to this one :-) Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Mattingly Subject: (hats) Forever Date: 29 May 1997 16:18:03 -0400 Mike said: >I really like 'forever' - sounds like Strawberry Switchblade... >must have missed this one the first time round! I'll dance to this one I agree. Forever is my favorite track on the album. I've been listening to it for two weeks. It seems to have elemnts of all the hats career -- It could easily fit on any of their past albums. It continues the story of Sahara from "Love (All Over the World)", and even includes her singing. It expresses the desires we all have, and the absurdities to which we will go to find it (looking for aeroplanes skywriting letters). Dave Mattingly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElKrupla@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) the spell Date: 29 May 1997 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-05-29 15:18:37 EDT, you write: << well, sorry to be the first to down the album but on my initial hearing it isn't anything special! >> A friend of mine said more or less the same thing, but he says it grows on him. It's kind of like how I felt about 'Batdance' by Prince ('Pretzel,' as he's known these days). The first dozen times I heard it, I hated it. I like it, now. Moral of the story: Give The Spell a few more listens. It may be a bit simplistic, but it's fun! Dave K # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harding Jeff Subject: RE: (hats) the spell Date: 29 May 1997 16:21:22 -0400 All, As much as I hate to say it, and believe me, I LOVE MWH and Ivan, outside of Open Your Eyes (which is totally awesome), Forever (Great song), and Somethin' (Great song), the rest of the CD just doesn't do anything for me. Ivan's voice is LIKE NO OTHER, and I really 'feel it' in these 3 songs. Enough said... -Jeff (BIG DOG) [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JDivito334@aol.com Subject: Re: (hats) MIDI Date: 29 May 1997 22:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Hello Eric. I have the TSD partition but I didn't have the time to put on my keyboard.... I did I SING LAST at piano 2 years ago but I lost everything 1 year ago with a hars disk crash... Do you have some MWH midi's file??? Francis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jupiter-8@juno.com (Jupiter Eight) Subject: Re: (hats) the spell Date: 29 May 1997 19:53:38 EDT Keep listening Mike...you'll change your tune... Rod [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info hats" in the message. # Postings must go to hats@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Draper Subject: (hats) Last call for the bootlegs (for now) Date: 30 May 1997 13:28:43 -0600 Ok, this is the last call for sign ups for copies of the 3 bootlegs. At least for now. Email me for information. todd Todd Draper - South Bend, IN - todd@qtm.net - http://www.qtm.net/~todd ______________________________________________________________________ Maple Studios Web Page Design and Mac Consulting -- info@maple.qtm.net ______________________________________________________________________ Do you believe in Macintosh? Subscribe to EvangeList, a listserver for Macintosh fans. 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