From: JSeminerio@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean Nuts.....off topic Date: 02 Aug 2003 12:15:52 EDT --part1_3a.3c95ddb2.2c5d3db8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ho the List Did anybody ever find Laura Jean's recipe for hot nuts? If so please e-mail it to me. Thanks In advance John Seminerio jseminerio@aol.com --part1_3a.3c95ddb2.2c5d3db8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ho the List

Did anybody ever find Laura Jean's recipe for hot nuts?  If so plea= se e-mail it to me.

Thanks In advance
John Seminerio
jseminerio@aol.com --part1_3a.3c95ddb2.2c5d3db8_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben" Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 02 Aug 2003 14:19:01 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C35901.05907B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn = buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that = is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the = yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a = ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating = by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in = a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our = state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C35901.05907B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I = could trouble=20 you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the = main character=20 shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck.  = My=20 editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, = as he=20 calls them.The main character is shooting a long barreled = Pennsylvania=20 rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a = gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this is = realistic, or=20 should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 = yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower I = could keep most=20 of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I = was=20 exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four = out of=20 five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won = our=20 state championship one year.
 
Your help is appreciated.
Thanks,  = Ben
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C35901.05907B20-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 02 Aug 2003 13:49:01 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C358FC.D45EEEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with primitive = weapons, as he calls them.The main character is shooting a long barreled = Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a = gunsmith. Ben, It can be done and may have been done but it's not a wise shot if you = care about the game. And calling a hit to the neck is way out in left = field. Any good hunter will take a lung shot and be as close as he can = get. More like 100 yards. What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? Elephants are still in danger but we don't have a season on them so I = don't bother to shoot them that far even though I could hit one. I am = considered a pretty good shot and I don't like taking a shot at deer = sized animals beyond 100 and that is pushing it. The gun will shoot = tight enough but with open sights and etc. I can't hold that tight. Off = a rest the gun will shoot inside a paper plate at 100 and it's damned = hard to see the center of a bull at that range for me and I have pretty = good vision. Cut the yardage back or make the hit a body hit. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C358FC.D45EEEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
  My = editor thinks=20 that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The=20 main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock,=20 customized by his father, who was a gunsmith.
 
Ben,
 
It can be done and may have been done = but it's=20 not a wise shot if you care about the game. And calling a hit to the = neck is=20 way out in left field. Any good hunter will take a lung shot and be as = close=20 as he can get. More like 100 yards.
 
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at = 120=20 yards?
 
Elephants are still in danger but we = don't have a=20 season on them so I don't bother to shoot them that far even though I = could=20 hit one. I am considered a pretty good shot and I don't like taking a = shot at=20 deer sized animals beyond 100 and that is pushing it. The gun will = shoot tight=20 enough but with open sights and etc. I can't hold that tight. Off a = rest the=20 gun will shoot inside a paper plate at 100 and it's damned hard to see = the=20 center of a bull at that range for me and I have pretty good=20 vision.
 
Cut the yardage back or make the hit = a body=20 hit.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C358FC.D45EEEA0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John McKee" Subject: MtMan-List: help on shot Date: 02 Aug 2003 17:17:47 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35919.FE5DCB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben, I'm with the Capt. on your shot question. Calling a shot at that = distance is a large dose of braggin. Have your man aim for the kill zone = of the deer and keep it { off hand } at 100 yards and it will be more = believable. Just my two cents. =20 Long John ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35919.FE5DCB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ben,
    I'm with the Capt. on your shot question. = Calling a shot=20 at that distance is a large dose of braggin. Have your man aim for the = kill zone=20 of the deer and keep it { off hand } at 100 yards and it will be more=20 believable. Just my two cents.  
    Long John
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35919.FE5DCB00-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason Chasse" Subject: MtMan-List: Throwin knives Date: 02 Aug 2003 18:20:07 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C35922.B39432E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All I am goin to my first rendezvous this fall and I was wonderin what the = rules are for throwers Size, width that sort of thing Little help please Jason ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C35922.B39432E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
 
I am goin to my first rendezvous = this fall and=20 I was wonderin what the rules are for throwers
 
Size, width that sort of = thing
 
Little help please
 
Jason
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C35922.B39432E0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dnelson Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 02 Aug 2003 17:48:23 -0700 Ben, I've been shooting ML's somewhere between 30 and 40 years. For a large period of that time I was fortunate enough to own a piece of property that was over run with deer. In fact it was almost like hunting at the zoo. What I'm trying to say is that I feel like I've had a lot of experience hunting deer, and besides having killed and eaten more than my share, I was in on a lot of other folks getting their buck. So I feel like I'm speaking from a base of some experience anyhow. Before I can answer your question there are a couple of things that I'd like to know. What is the caliber of the rifle. What was the powder charge? A .40 caliber with 40 grains of powder is not a 100 yard load, but under the right conditions a larger caliber with enough powder can be. When he is shooting the forked horn, is he shooting off a rest, and what is the weather like. Windy? The wind affects a light round ball very drastically. I'm going to disagree with the other two guys in that even though a 120 yard shot is too darn far for a number of reasons, if I was hungry, if I couldn't get any closer, if I had a rest, and if I'm shooting a rifle with a large enough ball using enough powder to get it there in good shape, then I'd darn sure try for a nick shot. Why? Because I'm a modern guy, and I don't like crippled deer. I'd much rather miss clean than hit one poorly and have it get away. Now on account of I've been in this argument before, and I don't want to get in one again, please keep in mind that in my hunting prime I wasn't hunting on public land, and if I missed a shot, 20 minutes later I'd have another. A neck hit is clean, and the critter goes down like he was pole axed, and a miss is clean and the buck runs off. Let me tell you a couple of hunting stories, and you can make up your own mind. The very first buck I killed with black powder I was using a Thompson Center so called "Hawken" .50 caliber using 70 or 75 grains of 3F. Hey folks, this was a long time ago, and I was just starting, and it seemed like a good idea at the time. It was an accurate load, I won some shoots with it, so if you think I was crazy and using too much powder, all I can say is that it worked for me. I had spotted the deer feeding in a swale and had worked my way around them coming up from below. The last few yards I crawled and then bellied up the hill topping out behind a small scraggly rose bush. They were still there feeding. I cocked the TC, set the trigger and waited until this little forked horn raised his head to look around. I put the sights on his neck just about where it hooks to the head. I never held high, there was no wind, and when the smoke cleared, he was laying there. I paced it off after the fact. I'm 6'2" and the shot was something like 96 of my paces. If it had been 120 yards I expect it would have turned out the same way. Sometime after that I went to a shooting match. One set of targets were to be shot at 100 yards. The back boards for the targets were 4 pieces of plywood standing on end. So the target back boards were 8 feet tall and 16 feet long. There was a cross wind, and I could not believe my eyes. At one hundred yards the cross wind was blowing my .50 cal. ball 8 or 9 feet. The guys shooting smaller caliber's were even having worse luck. So I did a little reading and a little talking to them in the know, and I got rid of the TC and ended up with a .62 caliber that was a bit picky about the way it was loaded, but with 120 grains of 2FF and the ram rod bounced off the ball to be sure it was seated, it shot plumb center. I went to another shooting match and they had a rifle for the prize. We were shooting in a terrible cross wind. The rifle match was at 100 yards, you had to bust a clay pigeon, miss and out. Every body was missing. I held that big old punkin roller right on, allowing nothing for the wind, and I still have the rifle I won. The first .62 was a cap lock, and I've now graduated up to my second .62 caliber flinter, and I've made a lot of meat with those rifles. If the situation is right I'll shoot a buck in the neck every time. The facts are that I'm a terrible judge of distance, and I really like to shoot somewhere around 60 yards, but will shoot further if depending on the circumstances, and when I do, the rifle forgives me, because that size ball will shoot flatter farther and carry more energy to the target. However, out beyond a hundred and fifty yards it tends to fall out of the sky. I shot at a long gong at 300 yards one time, and I don't think the ball has got there yet. Let me make my point on this one. I was hunting on the last day of season, I hadn't had a chance to hunt that year, and I was about to get skunked. The morning was socked in with a heavy thick fog. Around 10 or 11 in the morning the fog was lifting and I went up in back of the place looking for a buck. Out of a fog bank came this really nice buck, running cross wise to me. As I was cocking and bringing the flinter up I was under last day pressure and wanting to shoot, so my mind said 60 yards, I can drill him on the run. Faster than I can tell the story I brought the rifle up behind him, and swung from the rear, and when I got air in the front of him I shot without stopping the swing. He made a sharp turn and started down the hill. To make a long story shorter, I had hit him in the ham, breaking the bone which cut the artery and he bled out and died leaving the easiest blood trail I ever followed. Why did I hit him in the ham? Because when I paced it off, he was 160 of my paces away, not 60, so he wasn't led near far enough. I've also killed a buck in a driving rain using a flintlock, just to prove I could do it. So as far as your story goes, people thought differently than we do, they knew what they could and couldn't do. They didn't think about wounded game like we do now. So I'd say yes, why not let him call his shot at 120 yards. There is a level of skill involved, and there is also luck, and they work well together. We have all hit stuff we never should have and acted like we do it every day, in fact most of us have done it more than once, the key being not to do the second shot. Shucks, I got started and run on lots longer that I planned. Hope this helps, Dale Nelson ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 02 Aug 2003 21:46:58 -0600 Hi Ben, Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when the gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at that distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into the neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for the neck at that distance by any means. Good luck with your book! Allen Hall From Fort Hall country At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello the camp, >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the yardage down? > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state championship one year. > >Your help is appreciated. >Thanks, Ben< ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Throwin knives Date: 02 Aug 2003 22:56:39 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35949.556AC090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jason That is going to depend on the rules of any given rendezvous. Many have = no real rules but anything really strange will probably cause some = questions to be raised. I have seen just about anything you can = imagine. If you make a blade up to about an inch and a half wide and = up to about a foot long that comes to a dagger point you will be pretty = well set. Lots of folks cover the grip area with leather (won't break = like wood). Practice with it and adjust the balance to make sticking = the knife more predictable.....you are a knifemaker and should be able = to do that OK. Then it becomes just like a fiddle player getting to = Carnegie Hall.....practice, practice, practice. =20 Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jason Chasse=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Throwin knives Hi All I am goin to my first rendezvous this fall and I was wonderin what the = rules are for throwers Size, width that sort of thing Little help please Jason ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35949.556AC090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jason
That is going to depend on = the rules of=20 any given rendezvous.  Many have no real rules but anything really = strange=20 will probably cause some questions to be raised.  I have seen just = about=20 anything you can imagine.  If you make a blade up = to  about an=20 inch and a half wide and up to about a foot long that comes to a dagger = point=20 you will be pretty well set.   Lots of folks cover = the grip=20 area with leather (won't break like wood).  Practice with it = and=20 adjust the balance to make sticking the knife more predictable.....you = are a=20 knifemaker and should be able to do that OK.  Then it becomes just = like a=20 fiddle player getting to Carnegie Hall.....practice, practice, = practice. =20
Lanney = Ratcliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jason = Chasse
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 5:20=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Throwin = knives

Hi All
 
I am goin to my first rendezvous = this fall=20 and I was wonderin what the rules are for throwers
 
Size, width that sort of = thing
 
Little help please
 
Jason
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35949.556AC090-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 02 Aug 2003 22:41:24 -0700 Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a little background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck dropped immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't like to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the reader know that Zack was a good shot. It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any special load Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim behind the front leg. Thanks again, Ben ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM > Hi Ben, > > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when the > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at that > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into the > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for the > neck at that distance by any means. > > Good luck with your book! > > Allen Hall > >From Fort Hall country > > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello the camp, > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn buck > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is way to > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > > > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the yardage > down? > > > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > > > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a ten > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by much. > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state > championship one year. > > > >Your help is appreciated. > >Thanks, Ben< > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean Nuts.....off topic Date: 03 Aug 2003 00:12:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C35953.DE928DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have looked high and low for the recipe but apparently not low enough. = I'm sure I have that recipe somewhere and I will post it if I ever find = it. I sent a letter to Lt.Col.Phillip Glise (Laura Jean's husband) = asking about the recipe but he has not turned it up. All I remember is = that it involved roasting pecan halves with spices and hot sauce. Dang = tasty. Lanney Ratcliff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JSeminerio@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura Jean Nuts.....off topic Ho the List=20 Did anybody ever find Laura Jean's recipe for hot nuts? If so please = e-mail it to me.=20 Thanks In advance=20 John Seminerio=20 jseminerio@aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C35953.DE928DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have looked high and low = for the=20 recipe but apparently not low enough.  I'm sure I have that = recipe=20 somewhere and I will post it if I ever find it.  I sent a letter to = Lt.Col.Phillip Glise (Laura Jean's husband) asking about the recipe but = he has=20 not turned it up.  All I remember is that it involved roasting = pecan=20 halves with spices and hot sauce.  Dang tasty.
Lanney = Ratcliff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JSeminerio@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 11:15=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Laura = Jean=20 Nuts.....off topic

Ho the List =

Did=20 anybody ever find Laura Jean's recipe for hot nuts?  If so please = e-mail=20 it to me.

Thanks In advance
John Seminerio
jseminerio@aol.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C35953.DE928DD0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 11:07:31 -0700 It's your story Ben and you can tell it anyway you want. I wouldn't be surprised to hear old Sol lay into Zack "for makin' a damned fool shot that might have wounded or missed when meat is what we wanted not target practice!" The reason Sol got upset with what he though was a spine shot was that it would have ruined some fine backstrap eating even though it surely brought down the deer. Sol might have concluded with something like, "Dang it son, if your gonna learn the ways of the mountains your gonna have to start listening to what your told and thinkin' about what your do'in and why. Sure you hit it in the neck and that's bragg'in rights back in Ohio. That little buck would have gone down just as fast with a shot through the lights like I told ya to do." "Out here it's go'in hungry if ya miss or have'in ta throw out a second shot if you just cut a couple inches low. That second shot might pinpoint our location to Bugg's Boys. Then our worries about dinner will vanish along with our scalps!" Damned green horns!" Sol muttered to himself as he walked off. It wasn't safe to be around these fellas but how to give them the slip? That wouldn't be right either, leaving them out here along. Sol just shook his head and wished he wasn't out of whisky. He surely needed a drink about now. Our Story Continues....................... YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:41 PM > Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a little > background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his > brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They > were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told > Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck dropped > immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke > his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't like > to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out > Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the reader > know that Zack was a good shot. > It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree > and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any > special load > Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung > shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a > neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim behind > the front leg. > Thanks again, Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allen Hall" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when the > > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means > > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at that > > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into the > > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for the > > neck at that distance by any means. > > > > Good luck with your book! > > > > Allen Hall > > >From Fort Hall country > > > > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hello the camp, > > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. > > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn buck > > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is way > to > > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main > > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, > > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > > > > > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the > yardage > > down? > > > > > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > > > > > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a ten > > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by > much. > > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch > > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state > > championship one year. > > > > > >Your help is appreciated. > > >Thanks, Ben< > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 30 Jul 2003 00:51:35 -0500 ben--- in that time period there was no need to shoot at that distance to kill a deer today never or hardly ever do i shoot at distances over 50 yds---not a need too many around and no need to wond or just throw a shot at random at a deer in this area--- had 25 plus deer near my stand at one time last year and they didnt even know i was there---and i was on the ground on a bluff overlooking a acorn grove --- forget the wild stories about long shots---they didnt need to do that unless your charactor was a pilgrem and didnt know anything about hunting---they liked being close and knew woods lore and the hunting skills lost to so many today--- just my humbel opinion of course--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Happy Birtday Fort Hall Date: 03 Aug 2003 14:53:55 -0600 "On the 18th (of July, 1834) we commenced the Fort which was a stockade 80 ft square built of Cotton wood trees set on end sunk 2 1/2 feet in the ground and standing about 15 feet above with two bastions 8 ft squre at the opposite angles. On the 4th of August the Fort was completed. And on the 5th the "Stars and Stripes" were unfurled to the breeze at Sunrise in the center of a savage and uncivilized country over an American Trading Post." Osborne Russell Happy 169th Birthday to Fort Hall!!! Allen Hall (no relation....) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brown" Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 17:52:02 -0400 In our black powder club, we have a station on our woods walk where we routinely shoot at a deer silhouette at about 150 yards. It gets hit a lot. It would be some darn good shootin' to call a neck shot at 120, but not so outrageous that it's ridiculous. Hell. it's a novel. Leave it in. That'll be 2¢, please. db David Brown and Kristin Poulsen Wollendael 4419 Gore-Subligna Rd. Summerville, GA 30747 talikoga@earthlink.net www.2crows2.com "There ain't but two ways of dealin' with women . and nobody knows what they are!" --Judge Homer Burnaby ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 18:03:27 EDT --part1_122.250a099c.2c5ee0af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/2003 9:36:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beb1@sisna.com writes: > I wanted to let the reader > know that Zack was a good shot. > Hell.... if Zack is gonna be a hero in the book, 120 yards ain't nuthin! Magpie --part1_122.250a099c.2c5ee0af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/2/2003 9:36:34 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, beb1@sisna.com writes:

I wanted to let the reader
know that Zack was a good shot.


Hell.... if Zack is gonna be a hero in the book, 120 yards ain't nuthin!

Magpie --part1_122.250a099c.2c5ee0af_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 18:28:29 EDT --part1_129.2f14bb11.2c5ee68d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have taken Elk with a .54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out but it is not a supper shot to make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make it. Some times ya just can't get as close as you would like and ya have to reach out and take the shot ya get. That is if ya want to make meat and be able to eat. I all ways use a rest when possible when shooting at game off hand is for the fireing rang. Crazy Cyot --part1_129.2f14bb11.2c5ee68d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have taken Elk with a .= 54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out but it is not a supper shot to= make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make it. Some times ya just can't get as=20= close as you would like and ya have to reach out and take the shot ya get. T= hat is if ya want to make meat and be able to eat. I all ways use a rest whe= n possible when shooting at game off hand is for the fireing rang.
Crazy Cyot --part1_129.2f14bb11.2c5ee68d_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IamSF5@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Happy Birtday Fort Hall Date: 03 Aug 2003 19:52:10 EDT Hi Men/Ladies on the list. My name is Bob from Lawrenceville,NJ I had a love for the outdoors and historic sites since I was able to walk then got involved in wilderness and primitive skills. I reall enjoy the post I read although I lurk a lot because i'm on other list (Ham Radio) and other survival list. I saw the post where others were asking for BP shooters. Thats funny because almost every ham operator I know from Bordentown shoots BP on a regulator basis. The sad part is the rather discuss it via the air waves then the list. ===================================================== On another topic I also like to explore and locate forgotten rail lines. I picked up a topo map and located one just a few miles from here. The tracks are gone but you can see where they ran. 2 Miles down the road from me is a cemetery where the Black Soldiers are buried. The area got really run down and the Town locals got together and fixed it up nice. Also on that spot is the big home that was the half way house where the wagons dropped off troops, supplies and people. It's appx half way between Phila,PA and NY City. I guess I just happened to be gifted. When i'm in the woods my sub conscience mind just goes into auto mode. Sure wish I could turn back the clock. Bob Some people get wet while others feel the rain. www.angelfire.com/nj4/rescue/ ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 19:00:04 -0600 Capt. Lahti, I really like your writing! When's your book coming out!!!! Waiting for more, Allen At 11:07 AM 8/3/2003 -0700, you wrote: >It's your story Ben and you can tell it anyway you want. I wouldn't be >surprised to hear old Sol lay into Zack "for makin' a damned fool shot that >might have wounded or missed when meat is what we wanted not target >practice!" > >The reason Sol got upset with what he though was a spine shot was that it >would have ruined some fine backstrap eating even though it surely brought >down the deer. > >Sol might have concluded with something like, > > "Dang it son, if your gonna learn the ways of the mountains your gonna have >to start listening to what your told and thinkin' about what your do'in and >why. Sure you hit it in the neck and that's bragg'in rights back in Ohio. >That little buck would have gone down just as fast with a shot through the >lights like I told ya to do." > >"Out here it's go'in hungry if ya miss or have'in ta throw out a second shot >if you just cut a couple inches low. That second shot might pinpoint our >location to Bugg's Boys. Then our worries about dinner will vanish along >with our scalps!" > >Damned green horns!" Sol muttered to himself as he walked off. It wasn't >safe to be around these fellas but how to give them the slip? That wouldn't >be right either, leaving them out here along. Sol just shook his head and >wished he wasn't out of whisky. He surely needed a drink about now. > >Our Story Continues....................... > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ben" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:41 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > > >> Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a >little >> background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his >> brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They >> were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told >> Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck >dropped >> immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke >> his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't >like >> to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out >> Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the >reader >> know that Zack was a good shot. >> It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree >> and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any >> special load >> Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung >> shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a >> neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim >behind >> the front leg. >> Thanks again, Ben >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Allen Hall" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters >> >> >> > Hi Ben, >> > >> > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when >the >> > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means >> > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at >that >> > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into >the >> > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for >the >> > neck at that distance by any means. >> > >> > Good luck with your book! >> > >> > Allen Hall >> > >From Fort Hall country >> > >> > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >> > >Hello the camp, >> > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. >> > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn >buck >> > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is >way >> to >> > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main >> > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, >> > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. >> > > >> > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the >> yardage >> > down? >> > > >> > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? >> > > >> > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a >ten >> > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by >> much. >> > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch >> > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state >> > championship one year. >> > > >> > >Your help is appreciated. >> > >Thanks, Ben< >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 18:09:34 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C359EA.64DD4D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy, Was it a neck shot? Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters I have taken Elk with a .54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out = but it is not a supper shot to make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make = it. Some times ya just can't get as close as you would like and ya have = to reach out and take the shot ya get. That is if ya want to make meat = and be able to eat. I all ways use a rest when possible when shooting at = game off hand is for the fireing rang.=20 Crazy Cyot ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C359EA.64DD4D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy,
 
Was it a neck shot?
 
Capt. L
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

I have = taken Elk with a=20 .54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out but it is not a supper = shot to=20 make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make it. Some times ya just can't = get as=20 close as you would like and ya have to reach out and take the shot ya = get.=20 That is if ya want to make meat and be able to eat. I all ways use a = rest when=20 possible when shooting at game off hand is for the fireing rang. =
Crazy=20 Cyot ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C359EA.64DD4D30-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 21:57:43 EDT --part1_1c9.d6dfe0d.2c5f1797_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Capt. Lahti Heck no I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was through the lights where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them that are in it for the sport not for the making of meat. (G) Crazy Cyot --part1_1c9.d6dfe0d.2c5f1797_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Capt. Lahti
Heck no I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was throug= h the lights where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them that are i= n it for the sport not for the making of meat. (G)
Crazy Cyot
--part1_1c9.d6dfe0d.2c5f1797_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 19:48:49 -0700 Maybe that's my calling. Everyone else is writing a book these days, maybe I should too! My hat is off to anyone who takes up that challenge. I'm sure it's a lot harder than one might perceive. A few lines does not a Tom Clancy make. Good luck with your book Ben. Capt. L ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:00 PM > Capt. Lahti, > > I really like your writing! When's your book coming out!!!! > > Waiting for more, > > Allen > > > At 11:07 AM 8/3/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >It's your story Ben and you can tell it anyway you want. I wouldn't be > >surprised to hear old Sol lay into Zack "for makin' a damned fool shot that > >might have wounded or missed when meat is what we wanted not target > >practice!" > > > >The reason Sol got upset with what he though was a spine shot was that it > >would have ruined some fine backstrap eating even though it surely brought > >down the deer. > > > >Sol might have concluded with something like, > > > > "Dang it son, if your gonna learn the ways of the mountains your gonna have > >to start listening to what your told and thinkin' about what your do'in and > >why. Sure you hit it in the neck and that's bragg'in rights back in Ohio. > >That little buck would have gone down just as fast with a shot through the > >lights like I told ya to do." > > > >"Out here it's go'in hungry if ya miss or have'in ta throw out a second shot > >if you just cut a couple inches low. That second shot might pinpoint our > >location to Bugg's Boys. Then our worries about dinner will vanish along > >with our scalps!" > > > >Damned green horns!" Sol muttered to himself as he walked off. It wasn't > >safe to be around these fellas but how to give them the slip? That wouldn't > >be right either, leaving them out here along. Sol just shook his head and > >wished he wasn't out of whisky. He surely needed a drink about now. > > > >Our Story Continues....................... > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ben" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:41 PM > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > > > > > >> Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a > >little > >> background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his > >> brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They > >> were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told > >> Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck > >dropped > >> immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke > >> his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't > >like > >> to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out > >> Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the > >reader > >> know that Zack was a good shot. > >> It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree > >> and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any > >> special load > >> Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung > >> shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a > >> neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim > >behind > >> the front leg. > >> Thanks again, Ben > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Allen Hall" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM > >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > >> > >> > >> > Hi Ben, > >> > > >> > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when > >the > >> > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means > >> > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at > >that > >> > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into > >the > >> > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for > >the > >> > neck at that distance by any means. > >> > > >> > Good luck with your book! > >> > > >> > Allen Hall > >> > >From Fort Hall country > >> > > >> > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >Hello the camp, > >> > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. > >> > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn > >buck > >> > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is > >way > >> to > >> > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main > >> > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, > >> > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > >> > > > >> > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the > >> yardage > >> > down? > >> > > > >> > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > >> > > > >> > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a > >ten > >> > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by > >> much. > >> > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch > >> > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state > >> > championship one year. > >> > > > >> > >Your help is appreciated. > >> > >Thanks, Ben< > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------- > >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 03 Aug 2003 19:51:20 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C359F8.9C6A00A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My faith is restored Crazy. Well done and well said. Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Capt. Lahti=20 Heck no I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was = through the lights where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them = that are in it for the sport not for the making of meat. (G)=20 Crazy Cyot=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C359F8.9C6A00A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My faith is restored Crazy. Well done = and well=20 said.
 
Capt. L
 
----- Original Message -----
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Capt. Lahti =
Heck no=20 I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was through the = lights=20 where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them that are in it = for the=20 sport not for the making of meat. (G)
Crazy Cyot=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35A7D.E3AEC740-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Butler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 04 Aug 2003 19:15:06 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C35ABC.B71D2D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 yards = or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the longer = distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck bone at = that range over half the time at that range even among the best of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn = buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that = is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. =20 My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the = yardage down? =20 What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? =20 I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a = ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating = by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in = a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our = state championship one year. =20 Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C35ABC.B71D2D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only and = keep the=20 shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so = fast at=20 the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you could break = the neck=20 bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of=20 us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 2:19=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need = help from=20 all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I = could trouble=20 you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the = main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the = neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with = primitive=20 weapons, as he calls them.The main character is shooting a long = barreled=20 Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a=20 gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this is = realistic,=20 or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at = 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower I = could keep=20 most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't = think I=20 was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put = four out=20 of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough = I won=20 our state championship one year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 Ben
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C35ABC.B71D2D40-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 04 Aug 2003 21:33:54 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C35AD0.1A8977E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry, Your opinion in in tune with mine but......... One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot with = my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with his = head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 = paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a = few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have = gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close to 100 grains or a bit less. It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the = windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters = from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the = way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less powder too. Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Butler=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 = yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the = longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck = bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn = buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that = is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the = yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on = a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating = by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in = a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our = state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C35AD0.1A8977E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Larry,
 
Your opinion in in tune with mine = but.........
 
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western = whitetail I=20 shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him = with=20 his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed=20 at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he dropped = like a=20 sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 paces down a flat = logging=20 road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a few inches from the crest = of his=20 back as I expected and blew out his spine just behind  the = shoulder=20 blades. Any more drop and it would have gone through the upper lungs = with the=20 same effect. Probably shooting close to 100 grains or a bit = less.
 
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's = the drop,=20 the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible = hunters from=20 taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to=20 standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized targets and time = for a=20 rested position. That .60 ball will go all the way through the chest at = that=20 range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with less powder too.
 
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a = target.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry=20 Butler
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 7:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only and = keep the=20 shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so = fast at=20 the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you could break = the neck=20 bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the = best of=20 us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, = 2003 2:19=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need = help from=20 all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I = could=20 trouble you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the = main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to = the=20 neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with=20 primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is = shooting a=20 long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his = father, who=20 was a gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this = is realistic,=20 or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at = 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower I = could keep=20 most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I = didn't think=20 I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could = put four=20 out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often = enough I=20 won our state championship one year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 Ben
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C35AD0.1A8977E0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 05 Aug 2003 02:06:47 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C35AF6.39C9FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the camp. Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to my Uncle's funeral. He = was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till this past year, so = it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to rest. I've been having a good time reading all the posts and can't say I = disagree with any of them.=20 Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for not doing what he's = told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to insert. = When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack that it = was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase your = writing, if you don't mind. Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for writing. The words seem = to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could tell. Thanks for all the good imput.=20 Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Larry, Your opinion in in tune with mine but......... One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot = with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with = his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 = paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a = few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have = gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close to 100 grains or a bit less. It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the = windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters = from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the = way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less powder too. Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Butler=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 = yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the = longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck = bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a = second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork = horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks = that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut = the yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots = on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was = exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four = out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often = enough I won our state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C35AF6.39C9FFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello the camp.
Been gone for a couple of days.  Had to go to = my Uncle's=20 funeral.  He was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till = this past=20 year, so it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to = rest.
I've been having a good time reading all the posts = and can't=20 say I disagree with any of them.
Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for = not doing=20 what he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to = insert.=20 When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack that it = was=20 good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase your = writing, if=20 you don't mind.
Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for = writing. The=20 words seem to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could=20 tell.
Thanks for all the good imput.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger lahti=20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 9:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Larry,
 
Your opinion in in tune with mine = but.........
 
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western = whitetail=20 I shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at = him=20 with his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more = steady. I=20 aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped=20 like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 paces = down a=20 flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a few inches = from the=20 crest of his back as I expected and blew out his spine = just behind=20  the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have gone = through the=20 upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting close to 100 = grains or a=20 bit less.
 
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, = it's the=20 drop, the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps = responsible=20 hunters from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with = my .62=20 is limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets=20 and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the way = through the=20 chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with less powder=20 too.
 
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a=20 target.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry=20 Butler
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 7:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only = and keep the=20 shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy = so fast=20 at the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you could = break the=20 neck bone at that range over half the time at that range even among = the best=20 of us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, = 2003 2:19=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if = I could=20 trouble you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have = the main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to = the=20 neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot = with=20 primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is = shooting a=20 long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his = father, who=20 was a gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this = is=20 realistic, or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot = at 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower = I could=20 keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so = I didn't=20 think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I = could=20 put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, = but=20 often enough I won our state championship one year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 Ben
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C35AF6.39C9FFA0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Date: 05 Aug 2003 08:00:24 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C35B27.A019BF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your welcome Ben. Good luck with the book.=20 Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp. Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to my Uncle's funeral. He = was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till this past year, so = it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to rest. I've been having a good time reading all the posts and can't say I = disagree with any of them.=20 Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for not doing what = he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to = insert. When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack = that it was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para = phrase your writing, if you don't mind. Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for writing. The words seem = to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could tell. Thanks for all the good imput.=20 Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Larry, Your opinion in in tune with mine but......... One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot = with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with = his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 = paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a = few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have = gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close to 100 grains or a bit less. It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the = windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters = from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the = way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less powder too. Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Butler=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder = shooters In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 = yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the = longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck = bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a = second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork = horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks = that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut = the yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots = on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was = exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four = out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often = enough I won our state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C35B27.A019BF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Your welcome Ben. Good luck with the book. =
 
Capt. L
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 = 2:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp.
Been gone for a couple of days.  Had to go to = my=20 Uncle's funeral.  He was 95 and had had a good, long productive = live till=20 this past year, so it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to=20 rest.
I've been having a good time reading all the posts = and can't=20 say I disagree with any of them.
Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack = for not=20 doing what he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be = easy to=20 insert. When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling = Zack that=20 it was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase = your=20 writing, if you don't mind.
Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for = writing. The=20 words seem to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could=20 tell.
Thanks for all the good imput.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger=20 lahti
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 9:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Larry,
 
Your opinion in in tune with mine=20 but.........
 
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice = western=20 whitetail I shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad = side=20 shot at him with his head down and me taking a rest. And I was = younger and=20 more steady. I aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far = anyway)=20 and he dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it = was 130=20 paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped = a few=20 inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine=20 just behind  the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it = would have=20 gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close=20 to 100 grains or a bit less.
 
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, = it's the=20 drop, the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps = responsible=20 hunters from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting = with my=20 .62 is limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk = sized=20 targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all = the way=20 through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less=20 powder too.
 
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a=20 target.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Larry=20 Butler
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, = 2003 7:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = re: Need=20 help from all you BPowder shooters

In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only = and keep=20 the shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's = energy so=20 fast at the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you = could=20 break the neck bone at that range over half the time at that range = even=20 among the best of us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August = 02, 2003=20 2:19 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, = if I could=20 trouble you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have = the main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot = to the=20 neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot = with=20 primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is = shooting=20 a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his = father,=20 who was a gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think = this is=20 realistic, or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you = shoot at 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting = BPower I could=20 keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, = so I=20 didn't think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting = archery=20 I could put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not = every=20 time, but often enough I won our state championship one=20 year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 = Ben
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C35B27.A019BF80-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade Date: 07 Aug 2003 11:11:27 EDT --part1_174.1ec80b24.2c63c61f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello in the camp! Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirements and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Trade. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G. I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm I have also add a few new pictures also have a look. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_174.1ec80b24.2c63c61f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello in the camp!
Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirement= s and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Tra= de. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G.=20
I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/inde= x.htm
I have also add a few new pictures also have a look.=20
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_174.1ec80b24.2c63c61f_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade Date: 07 Aug 2003 11:50:44 EDT --part1_131.22623dd8.2c63cf54_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello in the camp! Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirements and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Trade. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G. I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm I have also add a few new pictures also have a look. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_131.22623dd8.2c63cf54_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello in the camp!
Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirement= s and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Tra= de. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G.=20
I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/inde= x.htm
I have also add a few new pictures also have a look.=20
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_131.22623dd8.2c63cf54_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade Date: 07 Aug 2003 13:14:53 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35CE5.E3FA1730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roy, that is a GREAT web page!!! Someday, before I get too damned old, = I'd love to go out West and do a several day, ride-in trip. =20 Regards, Ad ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35CE5.E3FA1730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roy, that is a GREAT web page!!!  Someday, = before I=20 get too damned old, I'd love to go out West and do a several day, = ride-in=20 trip. 
 
Regards,
 
Ad
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35CE5.E3FA1730-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade Date: 07 Aug 2003 23:33:00 EDT --part1_14e.22461f22.2c6473ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ad This can be arranged do ya have any friends out your way that would like to do the same? This last ride I did, I was working as a wrangler for an out fitter friend of mine that does pree 1840 pack trips for skinners. Some of the pictures on my web site are from one of his rides. This is his web site is: http://home.earthlink.net/~elkantlerltd Richard does put together a good ride through some eye popping country, the Tetons. We ate high on the hog on buffalo and buffalo tong, smoked salmon, Wine and Rum enough to make ya sleep good each night on the hard ground. If ya interested and want to here more about his rides contact me off list. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_14e.22461f22.2c6473ec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ad=20
This can be arranged do ya have any friends out your way that would like= to do the same? This last ride I did, I was working as a wrangler for an ou= t fitter friend of mine that does pree 1840 pack trips for skinners. Some of= the pictures on my web site are from one of his rides. This is his web site= is: http://home.earthli= nk.net/~elkantlerltd
Richard does put together a good ride through some eye popping country,=20= the Tetons. We ate high on the hog on buffalo and buffalo tong, smoked salmo= n, Wine and Rum enough to make ya sleep good each night on the hard ground.=20
If ya interested and want to here more about his rides contact me off li= st.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_14e.22461f22.2c6473ec_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Weatern Five Day Ride Date: 08 Aug 2003 00:06:28 EDT --part1_68.334ad6bc.2c647bc4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Ad for the complement on the web site it has been fun doing all the stuff too! Ad as for ride in the West. This can be arranged do ya have any friends out your way that would like to do the same? This last ride I did, I was working as a wrangler for an out fitter friend of mine that does pree 1840 pack trips for skinners. Some of the pictures on my web site are from one of his rides. This is his web site is: http://home.earthlink.net/~elkantlerltd Richard does put together a good ride through some eye popping country, the Tetons. We ate high on the hog on buffalo and buffalo tong, smoked salmon, Wine and Rum enough to make ya sleep good each night on the hard ground. If ya interested and want to here more about his rides contact me off list. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_68.334ad6bc.2c647bc4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ad for the complem= ent on the web site it has been fun doing all the stuff too!
Ad as for ride in the West.
This can be arranged do ya have any friends out your way that would like= to do the same? This last ride I did, I was working as a wrangler for an ou= t fitter friend of mine that does pree 1840 pack trips for skinners. Some of= the pictures on my web site are from one of his rides. This is his web site= is: http://home.earthli= nk.net/~elkantlerltd
Richard does put together a good ride through some eye popping country,=20= the Tetons. We ate high on the hog on buffalo and buffalo tong, smoked salmo= n, Wine and Rum enough to make ya sleep good each night on the hard ground.=20
If ya interested and want to here more about his rides contact me off li= st.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_68.334ad6bc.2c647bc4_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "OLD JOE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 08 Aug 2003 01:25:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C35D4C.05A06040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am a woodcarver, joined this list for reference material. Too old for = Mountain Man living now and enjoy the information on this list very = much.=20 What is the proper hat, fur cap (used for most carvings it seems) or = felt hat with brim? Feather(s) and trim? Old Joe Old Joe Joe Brott, Plattsmouth, NE www.oldjoe.org Len Dillon, Doane 2003: = http://www.diamondd.org/DOANE2003DILL0NGOOSE.html LEN DILLON WEB SITE: http://www.diamondd.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C35D4C.05A06040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am a woodcarver, joined this list for = reference=20 material. Too old for Mountain Man living now and enjoy the information = on this=20 list very much.
 
What is the proper hat, fur cap (used for = most=20 carvings it seems) or felt hat with brim? Feather(s) and trim? Old=20 Joe
 
Old Joe
Joe Brott, Plattsmouth, NE
www.oldjoe.org
Len Dillon, Doane = 2003: http://www.dia= mondd.org/DOANE2003DILL0NGOOSE.html
LEN=20 DILLON WEB SITE: http://www.diamondd.org/
=
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C35D4C.05A06040-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Western Five Day Ride Date: 08 Aug 2003 02:35:25 EDT --part1_6d.16cc9b2c.2c649ead_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Ad for the complement on the web site it has been fun doing all the stuff too! Ad as a for ride in the West. This can be arranged do ya have any friends out your way that would like to do the same? This last ride I did, I was working as a wrangler for an out fitter friend of mine that does pree 1840 pack trips for skinners. Some of the pictures on my web site are from one of his rides. This is his web site is: http://home.earthlink.net/~elkantlerltd Richard does put together a good ride through some eye popping country, the Tetons. We ate high on the hog on buffalo and buffalo tong, smoked salmon, Wine and Rum enough to make ya sleep good each night on the hard ground. If ya interested and want to here more about his rides contact me off list. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot --part1_6d.16cc9b2c.2c649ead_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ad for the complem= ent on the web site it has been fun doing all the stuff too!
Ad as a for ride in the West.
This can be arranged do ya have any friends out your way that would like= to do the same? This last ride I did, I was working as a wrangler for an ou= t fitter friend of mine that does pree 1840 pack trips for skinners. Some of= the pictures on my web site are from one of his rides. This is his web site= is: http://home.earthli= nk.net/~elkantlerltd
Richard does put together a good ride through some eye popping country,=20= the Tetons. We ate high on the hog on buffalo and buffalo tong, smoked salmo= n, Wine and Rum enough to make ya sleep good each night on the hard ground.=20
If ya interested and want to here more about his rides contact me off li= st.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot --part1_6d.16cc9b2c.2c649ead_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 08 Aug 2003 16:23:48 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C35DC9.7258FCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Old Joe, What's the proper hat for what? Trapper? Voyageur? Indian? French? = Spanish? English? American? Company Partner? Clerk? What ain't right and what looks silly is a critter hat with tails = hanging down to your butt and more feathers and beads in your hat than = are laying around a chicken coup full of Reservation Indians. If you want to wear a proper hat then find one in any color from gray to = black with a modest brim and either a flat or round top. No decorations = to speak of. If you want to look at other possibilities then you really = need to do some reading and picture looking at books that contain = "Miller" sketches and paintings. =20 Just my opinion. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C35DC9.7258FCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Old Joe,
 
What's the proper hat for what? Trapper? Voyageur? = Indian?=20 French? Spanish? English? American? Company Partner? Clerk?
 
What ain't right and what looks silly is a critter = hat with=20 tails hanging down to your butt and more feathers and beads in your hat = than are=20 laying around a chicken coup full of Reservation Indians. = <G>
 
If you want to wear a proper hat then find one in = any color=20 from gray to black with a modest brim and either a flat or round top. No = decorations to speak of. If you want to look at other possibilities then = you=20 really need to do some reading and picture looking at books that contain = "Miller" sketches and paintings. 
 
Just my opinion.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C35DC9.7258FCB0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "OLD JOE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 08 Aug 2003 20:37:43 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C35DEC.EAED6F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, and American?=20 Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now is not = authentic. Old Joe =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C35DEC.EAED6F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat = for Trapper,=20 Voyager, and American?
Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything = I've done Up=20 until now is not authentic. Old=20 Joe
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C35DEC.EAED6F80-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 08 Aug 2003 20:50:39 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C35DEE.B9DD3EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe Click here to view Clearwater Hat Company's goods. They supply hats for = a wide swath of the American time line, including the Fur Trade. Page = three of the Fur Trade section would be a good place to look. The whole = site is amazing but a fat purse will be helpful. Cordially Lanney Ratcliff http://www.clearwaterhats.com/contents.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: OLD JOE=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, and American?=20 Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now is not = authentic. Old Joe =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C35DEE.B9DD3EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe
Click here to view = Clearwater Hat=20 Company's goods.  They supply hats for a wide swath of the American = time=20 line, including the Fur Trade.  Page three of the Fur Trade section = would=20 be a good place to look.  The whole site is amazing but a fat = purse=20 will be helpful.
Cordially
Lanney = Ratcliff
 
http://www.clearwater= hats.com/contents.htm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 OLD = JOE=20
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 = 8:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat = for Trapper,=20 Voyager, and American?
Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything = I've done=20 Up until now is not authentic. Old=20 Joe
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C35DEE.B9DD3EF0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: MtMan-List: MLML URL Date: 08 Aug 2003 22:45:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35DFE.D32EEC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lanney... do you have the URL for the MLML ? I lost the address when I = got my new computer and had the list set on no email when we went on a = Vous... can't find it to get back on to change settings... DOH!! Thanks.. Ad ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35DFE.D32EEC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lanney... do you have the URL for the MLML ?  I lost the = address when=20 I got my new computer and had the list set on no email when we went on a = Vous...=20 can't find it to get back on to change settings... DOH!!
 
Thanks..
 
Ad
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C35DFE.D32EEC90-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MLML URL Date: 08 Aug 2003 22:54:09 EDT --part1_fb.448ef1a8.2c65bc51_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ad, Don't remember if Lanney is on MLML or not, so here ya go....... Barney (with CRS Syndrome) MLML Home Page Enter MLML List --part1_fb.448ef1a8.2c65bc51_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ad, Don't remember if Lann= ey is on MLML or not, so here ya go.......   Barney (with CRS Synd= rome)

MLML Home Page  Enter MLML List<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY= =3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> --part1_fb.448ef1a8.2c65bc51_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MLML URL Date: 08 Aug 2003 21:59:55 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C35DF8.67066210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Ad, I pulled out of the MLML long ago. Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Addison Miller=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: MtMan-List: MLML URL Lanney... do you have the URL for the MLML ? I lost the address when = I got my new computer and had the list set on no email when we went on a = Vous... can't find it to get back on to change settings... DOH!! Thanks.. Ad ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C35DF8.67066210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, Ad, I pulled out of = the MLML=20 long ago.
Lanney
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Addison=20 Miller
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 = 9:45=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: MLML = URL

Lanney... do you have the URL for the MLML ?  I lost the = address=20 when I got my new computer and had the list set on no email when we = went on a=20 Vous... can't find it to get back on to change settings... DOH!!
 
Thanks..
 
Ad
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C35DF8.67066210-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MLML URL Date: 08 Aug 2003 23:58:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35E09.06492780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LivingInThePast@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MLML URL Ad, Don't remember if Lanney is on MLML or not, so here ya go....... = Barney (with CRS Syndrome) MLML Home Page Enter MLML List ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35E09.06492780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LivingInThePast@aol.com =
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 = 10:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MLML = URL

Ad, Don't remember if = Lanney is on=20 MLML or not, so here ya go.......   Barney (with CRS=20 Syndrome)

MLML = Home=20 Page  Enter=20 MLML List=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C35E09.06492780-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 08 Aug 2003 22:05:51 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C35DF9.3B503D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Old Joe, Who knows. Trapper? Anything from a toque to a self hat out of blanket, = to a Canadian Cap, to a brimmed hat, etc. Voyageur? Knit cap, narrow brimmed felt hat, bandanna, Canadian Cap, = "garrison" cap out of wool, something practical in a canoe. American? Probably mostly a brimmed hat, maybe a fur hat in winter (the = rare "critter" hat) etc. Don't mind me. I got some private prejudice's against some "looks". Wear = what ever suits you. I have a Canadian Cap for winter and a Scottish = Bonnet (beret) of blanket wool for cool, and a brimmed fet hat for = summer and if it's real hot, a straw hat. YMOS Capt. L ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C35DF9.3B503D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Old Joe,
 
Who knows. Trapper? Anything from a toque to a self = hat out of=20 blanket, to a Canadian Cap, to a brimmed hat, etc.
 
Voyageur? Knit cap, narrow brimmed felt hat, = bandanna,=20 Canadian Cap, "garrison" cap out of wool, something practical in a=20 canoe.
 
American? Probably mostly a brimmed hat, maybe a fur = hat in=20 winter (the rare "critter" hat) etc.
 
Don't mind me. I got some private prejudice's = against some=20 "looks". Wear what ever suits you. I have a Canadian Cap for winter and = a=20 Scottish Bonnet (beret) of blanket wool for cool, and a brimmed fet hat = for=20 summer and if it's real hot, a straw hat.
 
YMOS
Capt. L
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C35DF9.3B503D20-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 08 Aug 2003 22:07:21 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35DF9.707AC600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple months ago. Finally came a = couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't heard from them = yet. I need to call. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Joe Click here to view Clearwater Hat Company's goods. They supply hats = for a wide swath of the American time line, including the Fur Trade. = Page three of the Fur Trade section would be a good place to look. The = whole site is amazing but a fat purse will be helpful. Cordially Lanney Ratcliff http://www.clearwaterhats.com/contents.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: OLD JOE=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, and = American?=20 Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now is = not authentic. Old Joe =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35DF9.707AC600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple months = ago.=20 Finally came a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't = heard from=20 them yet. I need to call.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lanney Ratcliff
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 = 6:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Joe
Click here to view = Clearwater Hat=20 Company's goods.  They supply hats for a wide swath of the = American time=20 line, including the Fur Trade.  Page three of the Fur Trade = section would=20 be a good place to look.  The whole site is amazing but = a fat purse=20 will be helpful.
Cordially
Lanney = Ratcliff
 
http://www.clearwater= hats.com/contents.htm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 OLD = JOE=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 = 8:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat=20 for Trapper, Voyager, and American?
Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything = I've done=20 Up until now is not authentic. Old=20 Joe
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35DF9.707AC600-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 09 Aug 2003 08:29:18 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C35E50.53903460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's good information. At the prices charged, customer service should = be better than that. Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple months ago. Finally came = a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't heard from them = yet. I need to call. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Joe Click here to view Clearwater Hat Company's goods. They supply hats = for a wide swath of the American time line, including the Fur Trade. = Page three of the Fur Trade section would be a good place to look. The = whole site is amazing but a fat purse will be helpful. Cordially Lanney Ratcliff http://www.clearwaterhats.com/contents.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: OLD JOE=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, and = American?=20 Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now is = not authentic. Old Joe =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C35E50.53903460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's good = information.  At the=20 prices charged, customer service should be better than = that.
Lanney
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger lahti=20
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 = 12:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple = months ago.=20 Finally came a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't = heard from=20 them yet. I need to call.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lanney Ratcliff =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 = 6:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Joe
Click here to view = Clearwater Hat=20 Company's goods.  They supply hats for a wide swath of the = American=20 time line, including the Fur Trade.  Page three of the Fur = Trade=20 section would be a good place to look.  The whole site is = amazing but=20 a fat purse will be helpful.
Cordially
Lanney = Ratcliff
 
http://www.clearwater= hats.com/contents.htm
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 OLD JOE=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 08, = 2003 8:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat=20 for Trapper, Voyager, and American?
Appreciate the help. I'm sure = everything I've=20 done Up until now is not authentic. Old Joe
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C35E50.53903460-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JIM BRYAN" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 09 Aug 2003 08:38:19 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35E51.96136040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is surprising and disappointing. I dealt with them on a hat a few = years ago that Pablo now sports, and their service was excellent and = fast. It was a special order that they rushed for me for an extra ten = bucks, and I was truly impressed. Maybe a call to them would help. I = have been thinking of ordering from them again. Hope they get things = worked out. Absalom ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS That's good information. At the prices charged, customer service = should be better than that. Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple months ago. Finally = came a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't heard from = them yet. I need to call. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Joe Click here to view Clearwater Hat Company's goods. They supply = hats for a wide swath of the American time line, including the Fur = Trade. Page three of the Fur Trade section would be a good place to = look. The whole site is amazing but a fat purse will be helpful. Cordially Lanney Ratcliff http://www.clearwaterhats.com/contents.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: OLD JOE=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, and = American?=20 Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now = is not authentic. Old Joe =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35E51.96136040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That is surprising and disappointing. I dealt with them on a hat a = few=20 years ago that Pablo now sports, and their service was excellent and = fast. It=20 was a special order that they rushed for me for an extra ten bucks, and = I was=20 truly impressed. Maybe a call to them would help. I have been thinking = of=20 ordering from them again. Hope they get things worked out.
 
Absalom
----- Original Message -----
From: Lanney Ratcliff
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 = 8:29=20 AM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

That's good = information.  At the=20 prices charged, customer service should be better than = that.
Lanney
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger lahti
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August 09, = 2003 12:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple = months ago.=20 Finally came a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't = heard=20 from them yet. I need to call.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Lanney Ratcliff =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 08, = 2003 6:50=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Joe
Click here to view = Clearwater Hat=20 Company's goods.  They supply hats for a wide swath of the = American=20 time line, including the Fur Trade.  Page three of the Fur = Trade=20 section would be a good place to look.  The whole site is = amazing but=20 a fat purse will be helpful.
Cordially
Lanney = Ratcliff
 
http://www.clearwater= hats.com/contents.htm
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 OLD JOE
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 08, = 2003 8:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat=20 for Trapper, Voyager, and American?
Appreciate the help. I'm sure = everything I've=20 done Up until now is not authentic. = Old Joe
 
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35E51.96136040-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS/Clearwater Date: 09 Aug 2003 07:05:59 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C35E44.AF999190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll give them a call Monday guys. I have tried to call once already and = got an answering machine and no call back. The hat arrived a couple = weeks later and as described. On my credit receipt it says "gray or = tan". The hat fit fine but after such a long wait, what a disappointment = to have to send it back for another 6 to 7 bucks.=20 I was hoping to have a light colored hat for summer/fall. Haven't given up on them yet and they may have been swamped this year = for some reason but.................. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C35E44.AF999190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll give them a call Monday guys. I have tried = to call=20 once already and got an answering machine and no call back. The hat = arrived a=20 couple weeks later and as described. On my credit receipt it says "gray = or tan".=20 The hat fit fine but after such a long wait, what a disappointment to = have to=20 send it back for another 6 to 7 bucks.
 
I was hoping to have a light colored hat for=20 summer/fall.
 
Haven't given up on them yet and they may have = been=20 swamped this year for some reason but..................
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
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WHOOO-EEEE!!  Yer not just kidding that you need a BIG purse = for those=20 hats!! I think I'll stick to my wee green bonnet!!  Afterall, I do = portray=20 a Scotsman....
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C35E66.7677E570-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 09 Aug 2003 09:14:32 -0600 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3143265272_36351_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gentelmen, I ordered a cocked hat in brown with ribon edge and linned with linnen. (custom) They got it me within 6 weeks and the fit was perfect. Ole That's good information. At the prices charged, customer service should be better than that. Lanney ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:07 AM Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple months ago. Finally came a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't heard from them yet. I need to call. Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:50 PM Joe Click here to view Clearwater Hat Company's goods. They supply hats for a wide swath of the American time line, including the Fur Trade. Page three of the Fur Trade section would be a good place to look. The whole site is amazing but a fat purse will be helpful. Cordially Lanney Ratcliff http://www.clearwaterhats.com/contents.htm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:37 PM Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, and American? Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now is not authentic. Old Joe --MS_Mac_OE_3143265272_36351_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: MtMan-List:HATS Gentelmen,
I ordered a cocked hat in brown with ribon edge and linned with linnen. (cu= stom) They got it  me within 6 weeks and the fit was perfect.
Ole
That's good informa= tion.  At the prices charged, customer service should be better than th= at.
Lanney
----- Original Message -----
From: roger lahti <mailto:amm1719@charter.net>  
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS

Ordered a gray Bridger Hat from them a couple months ago. Fi= nally came a couple weeks back in BLACK! Sent it back but haven't heard from= them yet. I need to call.
Capt. Lahti'
----- Original Message -----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <mailto:lanneyratcliff@charter.net> &nbs= p;
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS

Joe
Click here to view Clearwater Hat Company's goods.  They supply hats f= or a wide swath of the American time line, including the Fur Trade.  Pa= ge three of the Fur Trade section would be a good place to look.  The w= hole site is amazing but a fat purse will be helpful.
Cordially
Lanney Ratcliff
http://www.clearwaterhats.com/c= ontents.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: OLD JOE <mailto:jb04404@alltel.net>  
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS

Thank you Capt Lahti - proper hat for Trapper, Voyager, a= nd American?
Appreciate the help. I'm sure everything I've done Up until now is not auth= entic. Old Joe




--MS_Mac_OE_3143265272_36351_MIME_Part-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 09 Aug 2003 12:38:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C35E73.2ED707C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a hat from Bents fort. A wonderous beaver felt with a period = lining and proper makers mark. Was reasonable and has held up well for a = couple of years... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Addison Miller=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS WHOOO-EEEE!! Yer not just kidding that you need a BIG purse for those = hats!! I think I'll stick to my wee green bonnet!! Afterall, I do = portray a Scotsman.... Ad ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C35E73.2ED707C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got a hat from Bents fort. A wonderous beaver = felt =20 with a period lining and proper makers mark. Was reasonable and has held = up well=20 for a couple of years...
D
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Addison=20 Miller
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 = 11:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: = MtMan-List:HATS

WHOOO-EEEE!!  Yer not just kidding that you need a BIG purse = for=20 those hats!! I think I'll stick to my wee green bonnet!!  = Afterall, I do=20 portray a Scotsman....
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C35E73.2ED707C0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:HATS/Bent's Fort Date: 09 Aug 2003 12:56:24 -0700 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Guys, Check out this site for hats: http://www.nps.gov/beol/goods_1.htm It is Bent's Fort Store. I was there last summer and bought a "Bridger Hat"....beaver felt, low crown, light grey color, flat brim..... for under $100. The profits go to the Park System. If you ever get a chance to..check out Bent's Old Fort in Southern Colorado. Yfab, Randy I was hoping to have a light colored hat for summer/fall. Haven't given up on them yet and they may have been swamped this year for some reason but.................. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Guys,   Check out this site for hats:    http://www.nps.gov/beol/goods_1.htm   It is Bent's Fort Store.  I was there last summer and bought a "Bridger Hat"....beaver felt, low crown, light grey color, flat brim..... for under $100.  The profits go to the Park System.  If you ever get a chance to..check out Bent's Old Fort in Southern Colorado.   Yfab,  Randy
 
 
I was hoping to have a light colored hat for summer/fall.
 
Haven't given up on them yet and they may have been swamped this year for some reason but..................
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List:HATS Date: 09 Aug 2003 22:29:05 -0400 "Lanney Ratcliff" wrote: >That's good information.  At the prices charged, customer service should be better than that. >Lanney To all who may be interested. I ordered a black (they come in gray and white) wool felt hat blank from Crazy Crow and it was a blank with scalloped edges. I just cut them off even for a plain edged brim hat. It is good and thick wool felt (better than what most sutlers offer at events) and cost me about $14.00 and shipping when I got it. Looks good, works well, keeps my head warm. -C.Kent ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:37:13 -0500 Date: 13 Aug 2003 04:37:34 -0600 test....no reply needed Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Self Serving Announcement Date: 13 Aug 2003 13:49:52 -0400 Please excuse this self serving announcement and the cross posting. I have a bunch of new knives up on the site for your perusal, if you are so inclined.... http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 Thanks D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:51:49 -0500 Date: 13 Aug 2003 16:52:14 -0600 Anybody get bitten by that w32.Blaster worm that made the rounds? My next door neighbor was hit but, like the warnings said, he didn't appear to have suffered any damage. Scared him pretty bad, though. That's what he gets for running "bareback".....no protection. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:51:49 -0500 Date: 13 Aug 2003 19:48:05 -0400 Yep... I got it and it is a BEAR to get rid of. You need an antivirus that has a FIREWALL... like McAfee. I switched from McAfee to AVG... but AVG doesn't have a firewall... Never again will I leave McAfee... Also, if he is on cable modem, he needs to disconnect from it and then do all his patches and such... There is a thing called STINGER that McAfee offers (free) that will get rid of it, and he needs the MS patch. If he can't stay on line long enough, then someone needs to DL it for him and he needs to disconnet from the Net and run STINGER and put the patch in. I have done it for several people in out hare here in WV that got hit with it... Regards, Ad > Anybody get bitten by that w32.Blaster worm that made the rounds? My next > door neighbor was hit but, like the warnings said, he didn't appear to have > suffered any damage. Scared him pretty bad, though. That's what he gets > for running "bareback".....no protection. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:51:49 -0500 Date: 14 Aug 2003 23:26:33 EDT --part1_4b.327e2235.2c6dace9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taking care of the Blaster worm is not too tuff. 1st go to Symantec.com and look on the opening page for the "Blaster Fix" called Fixblast.exe. Download it to your computer (if you have access to an uneffected puter it would be better to download it there and put it on a floppy or cd and then take that to your affected puter and run from the disk). This program will scan every file on your puter and when it finds the three or four files connected to the Blaster Worm it will remove them. Read the instructions carefully. You will need to disable the "Restore" function in Windows before running and it is best to run while in "Safe Mode". 2nd, go to Microsoft.com and download the patch that will keep you from getting reinffected and load it. Longshot --part1_4b.327e2235.2c6dace9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Taking care of the Blaster worm is not too tuff.  = ;1st go to Symantec.com and look on the opening page for the "Blaster Fix" c= alled Fixblast.exe. Download it to your computer (if you have access to an u= neffected puter it would be better to download it there and put it on a flop= py or cd and then take that to your affected puter and run from the disk). T= his program will scan every file on your puter and when it finds the three o= r four files connected to the Blaster Worm it will remove them. Read the ins= tructions carefully.  You will need to disable the "Restore" function i= n Windows before running and it is best to run while in "Safe Mode". 2nd, go= to Microsoft.com and download the patch that will keep you from getting rei= nffected and load it.

Longshot --part1_4b.327e2235.2c6dace9_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:51:49 -0500 Date: 14 Aug 2003 23:31:01 EDT --part1_1dd.f578c19.2c6dadf5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I should have added that these are both free downloads. Longshot --part1_1dd.f578c19.2c6dadf5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I should have added that these are both free d= ownloads.

Longshot --part1_1dd.f578c19.2c6dadf5_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: leather goods for sale Date: 17 Aug 2003 14:40:25 EDT --part1_115.2799569b.2c712619_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For sale: 3 leather canteens ,sewn with linen thread, lined with beeswax/pitch. $65-85 plus shipping, price dependent on shape. 1 trifold leather wallet $35 plus shipping 2 pair of pecan dyed hemp leg ties/garters $25 plus shipping 3 small portmanteaus, 2 round- 4 inch diameter by 10 inches long with two straps 1 oblong- (oblong measures 3 inches tall x 5 inches long, the body is the 10 inches long with two straps, left in the natural leather color portmanteaus are $75 each plus shipping 1 loom woven pecan dyed hemp strap 6' 6" long x 1 1/4 " wide--$35 plus shipping email me offlist for any additional information and available digital pics Frank Sablan Midland,Texas --part1_115.2799569b.2c712619_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For sale:
3 leather canteens ,sewn with linen thread, lined with beeswax/pitch. $65-85= plus shipping, price dependent on shape.
1 trifold leather wallet $35 plus shipping
2 pair of pecan dyed hemp leg ties/garters $25 plus shipping
3 small portmanteaus, 2 round- 4 inch diameter by 10 inches long with two st= raps
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;        1 oblong- (oblong measures 3=20= inches tall x 5 inches long, the       &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            &nb= sp;           body is the 10 i= nches long with two straps, left in the natural     =               =   leather color

portmanteaus are $75 each plus shipping

1 loom woven pecan dyed hemp strap 6' 6" long x 1 1/4 " wide--$35 plus shipp= ing

email me offlist for any additional information and available digital pics
Frank Sablan
Midland,Texas --part1_115.2799569b.2c712619_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Choke Cherries Date: 29 Aug 2003 13:33:22 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C36E32.1DC55E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems that we have a bumper crop of choke cherries and golden = currents here in Cache Valley, or nearby anyway. Does anyone have a = recipe for chokecherry syrup? Or at least can tell me a slick way to = seperate the stone from the meat of the cherry anyway. Also what roots would be available this late if any? I found yampa up = at the western territorials (Pierres Hole). As a matter of fact the = valley going south from there was a veritable supermarket. I found = serviceberry, thimbleberry and I am always watching for that great gift = huckleberries and I was not disappointed. Wynn Ormond ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C36E32.1DC55E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems that we have a bumper crop of = choke=20 cherries and golden currents here in Cache Valley, or nearby = anyway.  Does=20 anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup?  Or at = least can tell=20 me a slick way to seperate the stone from the meat of the cherry=20 anyway.
 
Also what roots would be available this = late if=20 any?  I found yampa up at the western territorials (Pierres = Hole).  As=20 a matter of fact the valley going south from there was a veritable=20 supermarket.  I found serviceberry, thimbleberry and I am always = watching=20 for that great gift huckleberries and I was not = disappointed.
 
Wynn Ormond
 
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C36E32.1DC55E40-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Choke Cherries Date: 17 Aug 2003 16:14:26 EDT --part1_14a.22e4bfef.2c713c22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/17/2003 12:27:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 cheyenne@pcu.net writes: > Does anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup? Or at least can tell me=20= a=20 > slick way to seperate the stone from the meat of the cherry anyway. Wynn, Here's some stuff I found......... Barney chokecherry Any of several varieties of wild cherries native to North America. These=20 small cherries turn from red to almost black when mature. They're very astri= ngent=20 and, though not good for out-of-hand eating, make excellent jams and jellies= .=20 Chokeberries=A0 are the inedible fruit of an ornamental shrub. See also=A0 <= A HREF=3D"http://eat.epicurious.com/dictionary/food/index.ssf?DEF_ID=3D938&I= SWINE=3D">CHERRY.=20 =20 Chokech= erry Jelly or Syrup Recipe from Styren Ranch Guest House Bed and=20 Breakfast Inn, Choteau, Montana on the Internet Cookb..=20 As far as the pits, I've seen mechanical 'pitters', one that attaches to a=20 countertop, like a meat grinder does, and another hand-held. They uses a rou= nd=20 holder for the fruit and a poker device that drops down and pushes the pit o= ut. Here's a hand-held one: Cherry Pitter and some Hi-Output versions ;): Appliances.Com - Search Results =20 Enjoy, Barney --part1_14a.22e4bfef.2c713c22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/17/200= 3 12:27:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:

Does anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup? =20= Or at least can tell me a slick way to seperate the stone from the meat of t= he cherry anyway.


Wynn, Here's some stuff I found.........      =   Barney

chokecherry
Any of several varieties of wild cherries native to North America. These sma= ll cherries turn from red to almost black when mature. They're very astringe= nt and, though not good for out-of-hand eating, make excellent jams and jell= ies. Chokeberries=A0 are the inedible fruit of an ornamental shrub. <= I>See also=A0 CHERRY.

Chokech= erry Jelly or Syrup Recipe from Styren Ranch Guest House Bed and Breakfast I= nn, Choteau, Montana on the Internet Cookb..

As far as the pits,=20= I've seen mechanical 'pitters', one that attaches to a countertop, like a me= at grinder does, and another hand-held. They uses a round holder for the fru= it and a poker device that drops down and pushes the pit out.

Here's a hand-held one: Cherry Pitter

and some Hi-Output versions ;):  Appliances.Com - Search Results 

Enjoy, Barney
 --part1_14a.22e4bfef.2c713c22_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "OLD JOE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Choke Cherries Date: 17 Aug 2003 16:20:35 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C364DB.7D49A660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grandma just boiled choke cherries, pits and all, then strained them = through a flour sack and squeezed more juice out of the pulp. She made = jelly and wine the same way. You might get lucky and find an old time crank cherry pitter at a garage = sale or flea market but they seem to split a few pits. Old Joe Joe Brott, Plattsmouth, NE ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C364DB.7D49A660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Grandma just boiled choke cherries, pits and = all, then=20 strained them through a flour sack and squeezed more juice out = of the=20 pulp.  She made jelly and wine the same = way.
 
You might get lucky and find an old time = crank cherry=20 pitter at a garage sale or flea market but they seem to split a few=20 pits.
 
Old Joe
Joe Brott, Plattsmouth,=20 NE
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C364DB.7D49A660-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Choke Cherries Date: 17 Aug 2003 17:29:10 EDT --part1_66.35132bc8.2c714da6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tell me a slick way to seperate the stone from the meat of the cherry anyway Elderberries are also ripe now. Lotsa seed, very little pulp. I know of two ways. Cook the fruit first and run it thru a canning colander. This will give you more skin along with the juice and pulp. The other way is to cook them and then squeeze them thru a cloth. You get pulp and juice, but very little skin. Or, you can put them in a stone crock with sugar and yeast and make some wine. No pressure lock required. Cover the crock with cloth. --part1_66.35132bc8.2c714da6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tell me a slick way to se= perate the stone from the meat of the cherry anyway

Elderberries are also ripe now.  Lotsa seed, very little pulp.  I=20= know of two ways.
Cook the fruit first and run it thru a canning colander.  This will giv= e you more skin along with the juice and pulp. 

The other way is to cook them and then squeeze them thru a cloth.  You=20= get pulp and juice, but very little skin.

Or, you can put them in a stone crock with sugar and yeast and make some win= e.  No pressure lock required.  Cover the crock with cloth.= --part1_66.35132bc8.2c714da6_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Choke Cherries Date: 17 Aug 2003 17:12:03 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_523f.6a6c.0af0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Choke Cherry Syrup 8 cups juice (heat before measuring) 8 cups sugar 1 small package raspberry or boysenberry jello boil a few minutes add 3 tablespoons lemon juice boil about 30 minutes until thick add 1 tablespoon butter pour into bottles and seal. Use a cheese cloth or nylon pantyhose for straining or a thin cotton cloth... the other 2 work the best. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:22 -0600 "Wynn Ormond" writes: It seems that we have a bumper crop of choke cherries and golden currents here in Cache Valley, or nearby anyway. Does anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup? Or at least can tell me a slick way to separate the stone from the meat of the cherry anyway. Also what roots would be available this late if any? I found yampa up at the western territorials (Pierres Hole). As a matter of fact the valley going south from there was a veritable supermarket. I found serviceberry, thimbleberry and I am always watching for that great gift huckleberries and I was not disappointed. Wynn Ormond ----__JNP_000_523f.6a6c.0af0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Choke Cherry Syrup
 
8 cups juice (heat before measuring)
8 cups sugar
1 small package raspberry or boysenberry=20 jello
 
boil a few minutes
add 3 tablespoons lemon juice
boil about 30 minutes until thick
add 1 tablespoon butter
pour into bottles and seal.
 
Use a cheese cloth or nylon pantyhose for = straining=20 or a thin cotton cloth... the other 2 work the best.
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:22 -0600 "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net> writes:
It seems that we have a bumper crop of = choke=20 cherries and golden currents here in Cache Valley, or nearby anyway. = ;=20 Does anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup?  Or at=20 least can tell me a slick way to separate the stone from the meat of= the=20 cherry anyway.
 
Also what roots would be available this = late if=20 any?  I found yampa up at the western territorials (Pierres Hole).&= nbsp;=20 As a matter of fact the valley going south from there was a veritable=20 supermarket.  I found serviceberry, thimbleberry and I am always = watching=20 for that great gift huckleberries and I was not disappointed.
 
Wynn Ormond
 
 
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I have a cherry pitter and would think that choke = cherries=20 just too small to use it on them. Boil them to liquid as grandma did and = strain=20 the pulp. Best way I can think of too.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C364F1.D560C250-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Choke Cherries Date: 17 Aug 2003 20:13:00 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_1102.441a.5c8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Choke Cherry Jelly TO PREPARE FRUIT FOR JELLY 1 pound fruit wash and crush ripe fruit add 1 cup water and simmer 15 minutes squeeze out juice measure 3 cups juice and 1/2 cup lemon juice level cups of mixture 3 1/2 use 1 package pectin use 4 1/2 cups sugar yield in 6 oz glasses will be 8 It is important to follow instructions step by step as follows: 1- Wash glasses or jars and lids: scald and drain. 2- To prepare fruit: Use Fully Ripe fruit for best flavor and color. Do not vary amounts of ingredients or double recipes. Use lemon juice where called for...Lemon juice supplies the lack of fruit acid in some of the mild fruits and berries. 3- Measure ingredients. Use standard measuring cups and level measures. for all ingredients. Measure juice into 6 to 8 quart kettle. If short of juice, fill last cup with water to equal exact amount . Add lemon juice if called for. 4- To prepare juice. Rest colander in bowl or kettle. Spread cloth or jelly bag over colander. Place hot prepared fruit into cloth or bag. Fold cloth to form bag and twist from top. Press with masher to extract juice. 5- To make jelly: a) Add tectin to juice in kettle. Stir well. b) Place over high heat; bring to boil, stirring constantly to avoid scorching. c) Add measured sugar; mix well. Continue stirring and bring to full rolling boil (a boil that cannot be stirred down). d) Boil hard exactly 2 minutes. Remove from heat. skim foam and pour into glasses. 6- Use jars with two-piece metal lids. Pour immediately into jars: filling to 1/8 inch from top. Place lids on jars; tighten bands and invert jars. after a few minutes, turn jars upright. Store in cool place. 7- Enjoy the fruits of your labor. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:22 -0600 "Wynn Ormond" writes: It seems that we have a bumper crop of choke cherries and golden currents here in Cache Valley, or nearby anyway. Does anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup? Or at least can tell me a slick way to separate the stone from the meat of the cherry anyway. Also what roots would be available this late if any? I found yampa up at the western territorials (Pierres Hole). As a matter of fact the valley going south from there was a veritable supermarket. I found serviceberry, thimbleberry and I am always watching for that great gift huckleberries and I was not disappointed. Wynn Ormond ----__JNP_000_1102.441a.5c8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Choke Cherry Jelly
 
TO PREPARE FRUIT FOR JELLY
 
1 pound fruit
wash and crush ripe fruit
add 1 cup water and simmer 15 minutes
squeeze out juice
measure 3 cups juice and 1/2 cup lemon=20 juice
 
level cups of mixture 3 1/2
use 1 package pectin
use 4 1/2 cups sugar
yield in 6 oz glasses will be 8
 
It is important to follow instructions = step by step=20 as follows:
 
1-    Wash glasses or jars = and lids:=20 scald and drain.
2-    To prepare fruit: Use= Fully=20 Ripe fruit for best flavor and color.
       =   Do=20 not vary amounts of ingredients or double recipes.
        Use = lemon=20 juice where called for...Lemon juice supplies the
        lack= of fruit=20 acid in some of the mild fruits and berries.
3-    Measure ingredients. = Use=20 standard measuring cups and level measures.
        for = all=20 ingredients. Measure juice into 6 to 8 quart kettle.
        If = short of=20 juice, fill last cup with water to equal exact amount .
        Add = lemon=20 juice if called for.
4-    To prepare juice. = Rest=20 colander in bowl or kettle. Spread
        = cloth or=20 jelly bag over colander. Place hot prepared fruit into
        = cloth=20 or bag. Fold cloth to form bag and twist from top. Press
        with= masher=20 to extract juice.
5-    To make jelly:=
        a) = Add tectin=20 to juice in kettle. Stir well.
        b) = Place over=20 high heat; bring to boil, stirring constantly to avoid scorching.
        c) = Add=20 measured sugar; mix well. Continue stirring and bring to full=20 rolling
   =20         boil (a boil that cannot be = stirred=20 down).
        d) = Boil hard=20 exactly 2 minutes. Remove from heat. skim foam and pour
   =20         into glasses.
6-    Use jars with two-= piece metal=20 lids. Pour immediately into jars:
        = filling to=20 1/8 inch from top. Place lids on jars; tighten bands and invert=20 jars.
        = after a few=20 minutes, turn jars upright. Store in cool place.
7-    Enjoy the fruits of = your=20 labor.   
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:33:22 -0600 "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net> writes:
It seems that we have a bumper crop of = choke=20 cherries and golden currents here in Cache Valley, or nearby anyway. = ;=20 Does anyone have a recipe for chokecherry syrup?  Or at=20 least can tell me a slick way to separate the stone from the meat of= the=20 cherry anyway.
 
Also what roots would be available this = late if=20 any?  I found yampa up at the western territorials (Pierres Hole).&= nbsp;=20 As a matter of fact the valley going south from there was a veritable=20 supermarket.  I found serviceberry, thimbleberry and I am always = watching=20 for that great gift huckleberries and I was not disappointed.
 
Wynn Ormond
 
 
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Good idea, but it likely won't work here.  You see, Wyn is in the Cache Valley, here in Utah.  You can't find "used" cherry pitters or other canning supplies in Utah cuz we are still using them all!
That reminds me, I have to get after a bushel or so of peaches this weekend.  All in good fun...
Sparks, in Ogden


OLD JOE wrote:
Grandma just boiled choke cherries, pits and all, then strained them through a flour sack and squeezed more juice out of the pulp.  She made jelly and wine the same way.
 
You might get lucky and find an old time crank cherry pitter at a garage sale or flea market but they seem to split a few pits.
 
Old Joe
Joe Brott, Plattsmouth, NE

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 but I read down the list a bit further and I found the = article. =20 I'm sorry to have bothered you, now I can get some books to read to keep = my=20 sanity while teaching science for the next nine months.
 
Monte Holder
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Regards, Ad > I would really appreciate hearing any feedback about Fugawee footwear, > especially Hi-Lo Trekkers. > Thanks > > > Lanney Ratcliff ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 20 Aug 2003 19:34:51 -0700 Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net "Life is short, paddle hard..." > [Original Message] > From: Randal Bublitz > To: > Date: 8/20/03 7:34:24 PM > Subject: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > Hi Lanney, Fugawee sent us some pewter, etc... for an auction contribution. They also sent a bunch of catalogs, etc...... I was down with my broken heel bone and had time to peruse the catalogs. I've thought about brogans before, but the hi low trekkers really caught my eye. I called them, talked to a nice lady and ended up ordering a pair. I figured with my broken heel, a boot type footwear might be a good idea. I've worn them to two different outings...and it seems with some 'break in' they do much better. Bottom Line....they are comfortable for me, cost no more than good quality mocasins, are completely historically correct, and provide that bit of protection for my heel bone. I like mine. I ordered my usual good quality american boot size in a wide size, which is the same size I wear in Wolverine durashock work boots. I mention this cause if I buy K-mart tennis shoes I have to get almost 2 sizes larger to fit. I like my Hi low trekkers so far. Yfab, Randy > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > To: AMM ; History List > > Date: 8/20/03 6:53:15 PM > > Subject: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > I would really appreciate hearing any feedback about Fugawee footwear, > > especially Hi-Lo Trekkers. > > Thanks > > > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > Aux Aliments de Pays! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 21 Aug 2003 00:04:01 -0600 That sounds like something that I could use... does Fugawee have a web page? On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:34:51 -0700 "Randal Bublitz" writes: > > > Randal Bublitz > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > "Life is short, paddle hard..." > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Randal Bublitz > > To: > > Date: 8/20/03 7:34:24 PM > > Subject: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > Hi Lanney, Fugawee sent us some pewter, etc... for an auction > contribution. They also sent a bunch of catalogs, etc...... I was > down > with my broken heel bone and had time to peruse the catalogs. I've > thought > about brogans before, but the hi low trekkers really caught my eye. > I > called them, talked to a nice lady and ended up ordering a pair. I > figured > with my broken heel, a boot type footwear might be a good idea. > I've worn > them to two different outings...and it seems with some 'break in' > they do > much better. Bottom Line....they are comfortable for me, cost no > more > than good quality moccasins, are completely historically correct, > and > provide that bit of protection for my heel bone. I like mine. I > ordered > my usual good quality american boot size in a wide size, which is > the same > size I wear in Wolverine durashock work boots. I mention this cause > if I > buy K-mart tennis shoes I have to get almost 2 sizes larger to fit. > I like > my Hi low trekkers so far. Yfab, Randy > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > > To: AMM ; History List > > > > Date: 8/20/03 6:53:15 PM > > > Subject: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > > > I would really appreciate hearing any feedback about Fugawee > footwear, > > > especially Hi-Lo Trekkers. > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > Aux Aliments de Pays! > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 21 Aug 2003 05:13:23 -0500 They have a good web site: www.fugawee.com/index.htm Lanney > That sounds like something that I could use... does Fugawee have a web > page? > > > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:34:51 -0700 "Randal Bublitz" > writes: > > > > > > Randal Bublitz > > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > > "Life is short, paddle hard..." > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Randal Bublitz > > > To: > > > Date: 8/20/03 7:34:24 PM > > > Subject: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > > > Hi Lanney, Fugawee sent us some pewter, etc... for an auction > > contribution. They also sent a bunch of catalogs, etc...... I was > > down > > with my broken heel bone and had time to peruse the catalogs. I've > > thought > > about brogans before, but the hi low trekkers really caught my eye. > > I > > called them, talked to a nice lady and ended up ordering a pair. I > > figured > > with my broken heel, a boot type footwear might be a good idea. > > I've worn > > them to two different outings...and it seems with some 'break in' > > they do > > much better. Bottom Line....they are comfortable for me, cost no > > more > > than good quality moccasins, are completely historically correct, > > and > > provide that bit of protection for my heel bone. I like mine. I > > ordered > > my usual good quality american boot size in a wide size, which is > > the same > > size I wear in Wolverine durashock work boots. I mention this cause > > if I > > buy K-mart tennis shoes I have to get almost 2 sizes larger to fit. > > I like > > my Hi low trekkers so far. Yfab, Randy > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > > > To: AMM ; History List > > > > > > Date: 8/20/03 6:53:15 PM > > > > Subject: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > > > > > I would really appreciate hearing any feedback about Fugawee > > footwear, > > > > especially Hi-Lo Trekkers. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > Aux Aliments de Pays! > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David A. Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 21 Aug 2003 08:27:29 -0600 Thanks Lanney... A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and then I noticed an ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as well? Dave On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:13:23 -0500 "Lanney Ratcliff" writes: > They have a good web site: > www.fugawee.com/index.htm > > Lanney > > > > That sounds like something that I could use... does Fugawee have a > web > > page? > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:34:51 -0700 "Randal Bublitz" > > writes: > > > > > > > > > Randal Bublitz > > > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > > > "Life is short, paddle hard..." > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Randal Bublitz > > > > To: > > > > Date: 8/20/03 7:34:24 PM > > > > Subject: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > > > > > Hi Lanney, Fugawee sent us some pewter, etc... for an > auction > > > contribution. They also sent a bunch of catalogs, etc...... I > was > > > down > > > with my broken heel bone and had time to peruse the catalogs. > I've > > > thought > > > about brogans before, but the hi low trekkers really caught my > eye. > > > I > > > called them, talked to a nice lady and ended up ordering a pair. > I > > > figured > > > with my broken heel, a boot type footwear might be a good idea. > > > > I've worn > > > them to two different outings...and it seems with some 'break > in' > > > they do > > > much better. Bottom Line....they are comfortable for me, cost > no > > > more > > > than good quality moccasins, are completely historically > correct, > > > and > > > provide that bit of protection for my heel bone. I like mine. > I > > > ordered > > > my usual good quality American boot size in a wide size, which > is > > > the same > > > size I wear in Wolverine durashock work boots. I mention this > cause > > > if I > > > buy K-mart tennis shoes I have to get almost 2 sizes larger to > fit. > > > I like > > > my Hi low trekkers so far. Yfab, Randy > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > > From: Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > To: AMM ; History List > > > > > > > > Date: 8/20/03 6:53:15 PM > > > > > Subject: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > I would really appreciate hearing any feedback about Fugawee > > > > footwear, > > > > > especially Hi-Lo Trekkers. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lanney Ratcliff > > > > > lanneyratcliff@charter.net > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > Aux Aliments du Pays > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > Aux Aliments de Pays! > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > > hist_text list info: > > > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Smoke & Flames Date: 21 Aug 2003 23:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Dear list, The fires are burning good here in parts of Montana. It’s been smokey all over the state for what seems like forever. 33 separate fires burning! The smoke is so bad some day’s you can look right at the sun and its just a dull red circle in the sky. The full moon last week was orange or red during some nights from the smokey sky. I don’t even know if the highway will be open tomorrow for my trip to Missoula, I’ll find out at 4:00AM. Several fires are burning bad along the way. Rained a little the other night, not enough to do anything but bring down the ash on everyone’s vehicles. It’s times like these that a lot of people must wonder why they moved to God’s country. I saw two fire bombers taking off out of Billings last Sunday. These are the real workhorses of the fire firebombing business. Old converted submarine hunters turned fire hunters. I parked at the end of the airstrip as these massive aircraft vibrated the earth with the power of their turboprops as they flew onto another destination. I could see the pilots clearly, wearing head phones and sunglasses as they powered off to the western mountains. I wished I had a big sign that said “God bless you!” as I waved to them. I saw the same plane on the news the next day bombing a fire 200 miles to the west. We have National Forest headquarters in town so bus loads of firefighters are a common sight. Last week I saw a bus load of hotshots at a gas station sucking down pop and eating burritos. There’s no mistaking their green colored pants, boots and yellow shirts. A lot of Indians but people of all walks in the crew as well. All heroes. I always want to walk over and shake all their hands and tell them thanks. I heard of at least three of them dying so far fighting fires. A friend of mine in Wyoming said two weeks ago, “We can’t pray for rain this week, we have to hay.” ……I don’t care, I’m praying for rain every day. God bless those firefighters and please pray for rain. bb ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 22 Aug 2003 09:58:23 EDT --part1_9f.3cbc21f7.2c777b7f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes: > A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and then I noticed an > ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as well? > > Dave > Arrow Mocs http://www.arrowmoc.com/ Longshot "Longshot's Rendezvous" www.wizzywigweb.com/longshot/ --part1_9f.3cbc21f7.2c777b7f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes:


A friend of mine mentioned=20= Arrowhead moccasins... and then I noticed an
ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as well?

Dave


Arrow Mocs          http://= www.arrowmoc.com/

= Longshot
"Longshot's Rendezvous"
www.wizzywigweb.com/longshot/ --part1_9f.3cbc21f7.2c777b7f_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 22 Aug 2003 10:02:27 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C36894.7E0AEE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a pair of their French Canadian boots for sale, size 10. Great = quality, durable (my extra pair) they will re sole for a pittance, IF = you can wear the soles out. D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes:=20 A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and then I noticed = an=20 ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as well? = Dave=20 Arrow Mocs http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20 Longshot=20 "Longshot's Rendezvous"=20 www.wizzywigweb.com/longshot/ ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C36894.7E0AEE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a pair of their French Canadian = boots for=20 sale, size 10. Great quality, durable (my extra pair) they will re sole = for a=20 pittance,  IF you can wear the soles out.
D
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 = 9:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: = RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes: =


A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and = then I=20 noticed an
ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their = products=20 as well?

Dave


Arrow Mocs=20          http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20

Longshot
"Longshot's Rendezvous"
www.wizzywigweb.com/longsho= t/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C36894.7E0AEE80-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ikon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:19:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C368E2.55C0C460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just rec'd my pair of Arrow French boot style mocs and they are just = great. I can wrap them all the way up to my knees. Gonna be great for = the early bow season and keeping these Georgia ticks and chiggers off = me. I have made a few pairs of mocs in the past and they never had that = support that my feet needed. These Arrows have nice thick soles and yet = you can still feel the ground underneath. Yeh, I'm happy. Frank V. Rago ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes:=20 A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and then I noticed = an=20 ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as well? = Dave=20 Arrow Mocs http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20 Longshot=20 "Longshot's Rendezvous"=20 www.wizzywigweb.com/longshot/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C368E2.55C0C460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just rec'd my pair of Arrow French = boot style=20 mocs and they are just great.  I can wrap them all the way up to my = knees.  Gonna be great for the early bow season and keeping these = Georgia=20 ticks and chiggers off me.
 
I have made a few pairs of mocs in the past and = they never=20 had that support that my feet needed.  These Arrows have nice thick = soles=20 and yet you can still feel the ground underneath.
 
Yeh, I'm happy.
 
Frank V. Rago
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LODGEPOLE@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 = 9:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: = RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes: =


A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and = then I=20 noticed an
ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their = products=20 as well?

Dave


Arrow Mocs=20          http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20

Longshot
"Longshot's Rendezvous"
www.wizzywigweb.com/longsho= t/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C368E2.55C0C460-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 22 Aug 2003 21:44:56 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C368F6.A112C030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would be interested but I wear a grown man's size. Sorry. LR ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Double Edge Forge=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 I have a pair of their French Canadian boots for sale, size 10. Great = quality, durable (my extra pair) they will re sole for a pittance, IF = you can wear the soles out. D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes:=20 A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and then I = noticed an=20 ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as = well?=20 Dave=20 Arrow Mocs http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20 Longshot=20 "Longshot's Rendezvous"=20 www.wizzywigweb.com/longshot/ ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C368F6.A112C030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would be interested but I = wear a=20 grown man's size.  Sorry.
LR
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Double Edge=20 Forge
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 = 9:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: = RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

I have a pair of their French = Canadian boots for=20 sale, size 10. Great quality, durable (my extra pair) they will re = sole for a=20 pittance,  IF you can wear the soles out.
D
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LODGEPOLE@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 = 9:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: = RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes: =


A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and = then I=20 noticed an
ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their = products=20 as well?

Dave


Arrow Mocs=20          http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20

Longshot
"Longshot's Rendezvous"
www.wizzywigweb.com/longsho= t/=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C368F6.A112C030-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500 Date: 22 Aug 2003 22:52:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C36900.1511A420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Come to Ohia, ya overgrowed daisy..... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 I would be interested but I wear a grown man's size. Sorry. LR ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Double Edge Forge=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 I have a pair of their French Canadian boots for sale, size 10. = Great quality, durable (my extra pair) they will re sole for a pittance, = IF you can wear the soles out. D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: RE: AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 = 20:53:04 -0500 In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes:=20 A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... and then I = noticed an=20 ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on their products as = well?=20 Dave=20 Arrow Mocs http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20 Longshot=20 "Longshot's Rendezvous"=20 www.wizzywigweb.com/longshot/ ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C36900.1511A420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Come to Ohia, ya overgrowed = daisy.....
D
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lanney Ratcliff
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 = 10:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: = RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

I would be interested but = I wear a=20 grown man's size.  Sorry.
LR
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Double Edge=20 Forge
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 = 9:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: = RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

I have a pair of their French = Canadian boots=20 for sale, size 10. Great quality, durable (my extra pair) they will = re sole=20 for a pittance,  IF you can wear the soles = out.
D
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LODGEPOLE@aol.com
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, August 22, = 2003 9:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = FW: RE:=20 AMM-List: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:53:04 -0500

In a message dated 8/21, Dave writes: =


A friend of mine mentioned Arrowhead moccasins... = and then I=20 noticed an
ad in the Muzzleloader... Any information on = their=20 products as well?

Dave


Arrow Mocs=20          http://www.arrowmoc.com/=20

Longshot
"Longshot's Rendezvous"
www.wizzywigweb.com/longsho= t/=20
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C36900.1511A420-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:24:19 -0500 Date: 24 Aug 2003 10:24:32 -0600 test, no response needed Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 16:30:20 -0700 Brothers, Once again many parts of the country are dry, burning, or threatening to burn. Cold camps are the order of the day if one wants to get out on the ground. My question to you all is this: What are your favorite recipes, meals, etc... when forced to do without fire? Some of us are preparing for a trip which will probably require 'cold' camping. Some of the fellows have been asking how to prepare. I usually keep my grub pretty simple anyway , as I look at cooking and cleaning as a pain in a**, so sausage, cheese, dried fruits, grains, jerky and hardtack, etc... are some of my staples. I figure some of you guys have some good ideas though, so I'm asking..... Yfab, Randy Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net "Life is short, paddle hard..." ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 18:37:12 -0600 Randy, Looks like you got it covered. My short answer would be cheese, raisins and hardtac; with more thought I'd add dried fruits and veggies. Dried tomatoes are dynamite for taste, drying concentrates the flavor. Dried squash lets you eat it at your pace rather than the plant's. I originally dried tomatoes and squash for soups, but they never make it that far as they are so good by themselves. I dry my own veggies and fruit so it turns out way better than the store-bought stuff. I don't add chemicals and I dry it until it is very very dry...in the case of tomatoes, even crispy. If you don't dry it that much, they recommend you "keep it in the fridge and check for mold occasionally! I have some dried apricots/peaches that have lasted years in a drawer with no sign of mold, and they are still good, except even dryer (crunchy, even). Dried and/or smoked fish are good, if you have them. Good luck, and I'm interested in reading what others add. Sparks Randal Bublitz wrote: >Brothers, Once again many parts of the country are dry, burning, or >threatening to burn. Cold camps are the order of the day if one wants to >get out on the ground. My question to you all is this: What are your >favorite recipes, meals, etc... when forced to do without fire? Some of us >are preparing for a trip which will probably require 'cold' camping. Some >of the fellows have been asking how to prepare. I usually keep my grub >pretty simple anyway , as I look at cooking and cleaning as a pain in a**, >so sausage, cheese, dried fruits, grains, jerky and hardtack, etc... are >some of my staples. I figure some of you guys have some good ideas though, >so I'm asking..... >Yfab, Randy > > >Randal Bublitz >rjbublitz@earthlink.net >"Life is short, paddle hard..." > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 21:07:05 -0400 Dried apples are a good source of "sugar" energy, as are the apricots, pineapple, etc... Haven't yet figured out how to do coffee or tea (short of a thermos) in a cold camp... I like coffee, but I haven't stooped to eating the instanty stuff straight yet... *grins* Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce Nail" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 21:27:19 -0400 Hey Randy: First, this is my first post, so greetings to the list from Northern Mi. And, since I do troop and stomp around up here in the "great whitye north" I've suffered through some really "cold camps"; consequequently, My partners have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare consists of the following: Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!) Wild rice (soak one hand full in your cup over night and you'll have a relatively tasty breakfast (a little maple or raw sugar helps out the taste.) Parched corn, which can be eaten by the the hands full, or ground for a quasi-meal and mixed into mush I can't say anough about the sausage and hardtack, a little of that goes a long way. One last thing, If you're not in for a long haul trek, how about a portable brazier? Goosebay workshop makes an accurate little brazier that might satisifty the "no open flame" rule in sme places, execpt in California where even charcoal seems to be outlawed. hope this helps, regards. Bruce "One thumb" ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:30 PM > Brothers, Once again many parts of the country are dry, burning, or > threatening to burn. Cold camps are the order of the day if one wants to > get out on the ground. My question to you all is this: What are your > favorite recipes, meals, etc... when forced to do without fire? Some of us > are preparing for a trip which will probably require 'cold' camping. Some > of the fellows have been asking how to prepare. I usually keep my grub > pretty simple anyway , as I look at cooking and cleaning as a pain in a**, > so sausage, cheese, dried fruits, grains, jerky and hardtack, etc... are > some of my staples. I figure some of you guys have some good ideas though, > so I'm asking..... > Yfab, Randy > > > Randal Bublitz > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > "Life is short, paddle hard..." > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: MtMan-List: instant coffee Date: 24 Aug 2003 19:29:54 -0600 Ad, I tried that once, with modifications. I had an instant chocolate milk packet...the kind you just add hot water for a swell in-from-the-cold beverage. I didn't have a cup, but I had a spoon. I tore open the top of the choc.milk package, dumped in some of that g.i. instant (powdered) coffee and mixed it up inside the foil packet that contained the chocolat mix. The package was then pretty crowded, so I could only add a little water from my canteen, which turned it into a powdery syrup. Ate it with a spoon. Been hooked on chocolate coffee ever since. I do know that the instant chocolate and foil package probably are not period correct. But if you want, you can come up with various mixtures for a good beverage at home in your spare time. sparks ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JW Stephens Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 18:59:12 -0700 One thing that works great for me as long as it's just cold, not cold and dry, is to take some dried fruit and nuts and (the grain of your choice goes here) and soak 'em in cup or pot overnight. The dried fruit gets re-constituted; the nuts, if they are raw, will try to sprout; and the grain "slow cooks." Heat it up with your magnifying glass, and presto. Save your sweetener for something that needs it. This method doesn't work so good for "cooking" pasta. Trust me on this one. B'st'rd Randal Bublitz wrote: > Brothers, Once again many parts of the country are dry, burning, or > threatening to burn. Cold camps are the order of the day if one wants to > get out on the ground. My question to you all is this: What are your > favorite recipes, meals, etc... when forced to do without fire? Some of us > are preparing for a trip which will probably require 'cold' camping. Some > of the fellows have been asking how to prepare. I usually keep my grub > pretty simple anyway , as I look at cooking and cleaning as a pain in a**, > so sausage, cheese, dried fruits, grains, jerky and hardtack, etc... are > some of my staples. I figure some of you guys have some good ideas though, > so I'm asking..... > Yfab, Randy ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 22:32:48 -0400 Heat it up with your magnifying glass, and > presto. Save your sweetener for something that needs it. Now I never thought of that!! Just proves the "Necessity IS the mother of invention"!! Will file that away and try it... Regards, Ad ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 19:46:54 -0700 Hi Bruce, Thanks for the reply. Usually when there is a fire ban, the only type of stove, etc... allowed is one with a shut off valve. Therefore, charcoal, etc... is also banned. Oh yeah...welcome to the list, nice to meet you. Randy > From: Bruce Nail > One last thing, If you're not in for a long haul trek, how about a portable > brazier? Goosebay workshop makes an accurate little brazier that might > satisifty the "no open flame" rule in sme places, execpt in California where > even charcoal seems to be outlawed. > > hope this helps, regards. > > Bruce > "One thumb" ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 24 Aug 2003 21:00:59 -0700 Bruce, It's not the "open flame" that is the problem with fire bans and the no fire rule. It's the ash and coals. The fire agencies don't want any fire that leaves an ash that might contain a live coal and such will remain live in ashes for more than a day or so. Leading cause of garage fires. Fire place ashes in paper grocery bags taken into the garage for later disposal. Almost guaranteed a garage fire by morning! We can use gas fired stoves and I suppose candles but no, no charchoal and no wood fires. But being a primitive group we don't care to use the gas stoves if possible. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Knapp Subject: MtMan-List: Canoe trek on the Missouri Date: 25 Aug 2003 08:05:39 -0600 This brief journal covers our canoe trek on part of the Missouri River. We encountered some modern inconveniences along the way as will be noted below, but nonetheless had a very good trip. August 14, 2003. The boys and I were loaded and pushed off at 4:00 p.m. from Holter Dam on the Missouri River heading up stream. We paddled the pontoon equipped canoe about 4 miles to a saddle in the oxbow bend of the river. We decided to make camp there the first night. Selecting campsites on this portion of the river can be difficult as there is so much of the bank with vertical walls. We laid out our oilcloth and blankets and then had dinner of jerky, smoked trout, sea biscuits and fruit. We hiked around a bit, saw a few deer, and watched the sun set. Bed came at dark. August 15, 2003. I awoke at 5:15 a.m. The night had been very warm and only a canvas cloth covered me all night. Made some cold tea, as this trip required us to have a cold camp. Got the boys up at 7:00 a.m. looking over the map we decided to portage across the saddle. This saved us 2-2 ½ miles of paddling. We packed up hauled our gear and canoe about 300-400 yards across the saddle. Before loading up we ate breakfast of jerky, smoked trout, cold oatmeal, sea biscuits, and fruit. We put in at 8:45 a.m. The river was calm, weather was warm, and the sky was very hazy from wildfires in the area. We got in the first hour of paddling without any motorboats causing us trouble. As the day progressed we encountered many of the modern self propelled boats. Each time one would pass we would have to turn into the wake to avoid being swamped. Along this days route we saw about 20 big horn sheep and lots of deer. I was surprised to see pelicans and seagulls as well. The water was warm and full of algae. A modern water filter accompanied us on the trip. By 12:30 p.m. we decided to stop for lunch. We landed just down stream from the “Gates of the Mountains”. Over lunch of jerky, smoked trout, sea biscuits and fruit we decided to camp at this spot. We figured if we kept going we could be at our take out by late afternoon. We wanted to stay another night on the river instead. We fished, swam, hiked around and took a nap during the afternoon. Also watched a big thunderhead pass just to the east of us. It started at least one fire we could see smoke from on the other side of the ridge. Dinner was, you guessed it, the same as previous meals with the exception of some cheese added. I loaded the smoothbore and we bear proofed camp before retiring for the evening. August 16, 2003. Wake up call was 6:00 a.m. with the empting of the gun. We packed up and headed for the “gates”. We passed by Mann Gulch where 13 smoke jumpers perished in 1948 from a fire gone wild. Then we immediately entered the “Gates of the Mountains”. What an awesome feeling. Lewis and his party must have been in sheer amazement as they went through this portion of the Missouri. Vertical walls of 1200’ guided us for about a mile before opening up and turning west. We stopped and had breakfast at the site of Lewis’ camp on July 19, 1805. By this time the water had cleared up and was colder. I believe the narrowness and depth of the river prevented the algae build up. Saw more deer and encountered many powerboats this day. Most of the last 5-6 miles was traveled in a much narrower river than the previous 2 days. We encountered some strong winds as well. When we stopped paddling, immediately we began drifting down stream. We landed at the “Gates of the Mountains” tour boat launch site at 1:00 pm, ending our canoe trek. Lessons learned: Canoe travel can be much faster than I thought. This trip could have been made in one day without an overnight stay. We took way to much food for 2 reasons. One, I thought we would be out there longer and 2, we did not eat like we thought we would. The pontoons were a lifesaver (or at least a swamp saver) in a couple of instances where powerboats were less than courteous on the water. Next time fishing needs to be taken seriously. All in all the boys and I had a great time and are ready to do it again. Sorry this is long. With best regards, Dennis Knapp aka Sticher, Alan, and Andy. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Knapp Subject: MtMan-List: Re: cold camp menu Date: 25 Aug 2003 08:14:52 -0600 We just got back from a canoe trek on the Missouri river. We had to do cold camp. Here are some of the things we did. Cold instant oatmeal, dried fruit, jerky, smoked fish ( I sell it by the way), cold brew tea available at any grocery store, nuts, pilot bread, and hard cheese. good luck. Regards, Dennis Knapp aka Sticher Southern Idaho ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 25 Aug 2003 11:57:19 EDT --part1_71.33fd9a89.2c7b8bdf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/24/2003 7:46:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes: > Usually when there is a fire ban, the > only type of stove, etc... allowed is one with a shut off valve. > Therefore, charcoal, etc... is also banned. That's a Federal reg. On private property, might get away with a flame. Was thinking about the no coffee dilemma & got the idea; "If sun tea works, why not sun coffee?" So, dug out on old quart mason jar, filled it with water, added 1/4 cup of coffee (Folgers), gave it a stir with a spoon, & set it out in the sun at 7:25 AM. Shortly after that it hit me; "DUH! Quart jars aren't period!" So, dug out corn boiler, which, despite wife's heroic efforts to keep clean, has over the years, developed a nice black outside, which should work well for the sun coffee experiment. I loaded it the same as the jar. Thirty minutes later, I sampled both brews. While still about room temp, both, when strained through a paper towel looked like tolerable coffee. Tasted pretty good too. Flavor advantage was slightly in favor of the jar. If you don't mind a few grounds in your cup, straining would be optional. Out in the woods, I'd have ground the beans with a rock & used a clean sock for the straining or even my "coffee bean grinding bag" which is white cotton. More than likely the grinding bag wouldn't work because of all the coffee oils it's absorbed from use. At the 1 hour mark: Both samples still not warm even in our Southern Nevada sun. Jar still has slight edge in flavor, but both are "drinkable". Will discontinue experiment since about 1 hour is about all the time anyone should spend getting moving in the morning while in Mother Nature's living room. I didn't try the "burnin' glass heater" 'cuz I couldn't find mine. Both samples would have been much better hot or iced, but in a cold camp, hot is out of the question & by third day, ice is gone -- if you took any to start with. However, the experiment worked in creating coffee even though it wasn't steaming hot. Nauga Mok --part1_71.33fd9a89.2c7b8bdf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/24/2003 7:46:51 PM Pacific Daylig= ht Time, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes:


Usually when there is a fire b= an, the
only type of stove, etc... allowed is one with a shut off valve.
Therefore, charcoal, etc... is also banned. 


That's a Federal reg.  On private property, might get away with a flame= .

  Was thinking about the no coffee dilemma & got the idea; "If sun=20= tea works, why not sun coffee?"  So, dug out on old quart mason jar, fi= lled it with water, added 1/4 cup of coffee (Folgers), gave it a stir with a= spoon, & set it out in the sun at 7:25 AM.  Shortly after that it=20= hit me; "DUH!  Quart jars aren't period!"  So, dug out corn boiler= , which, despite wife's heroic efforts to keep clean, has over the years, de= veloped a nice black outside, which should work well for the sun coffee expe= riment.  I loaded it the same as the jar.  Thirty minutes later, I= sampled both brews.  While still about room temp, both, when strained=20= through a paper towel looked like tolerable coffee.  Tasted pretty good= too.  Flavor advantage was slightly in favor of the jar.  If you=20= don't mind a few grounds in your cup, straining would be optional.  Out= in the woods, I'd have ground the beans with a rock & used a clean sock= for the straining or even my "coffee bean grinding bag" which is white cott= on.  More than likely the grinding bag wouldn't work because of all the= coffee oils it's absorbed from use. 

At the 1 hour mark:  Both samples still not warm even in our Southern N= evada sun.  Jar still has slight edge in flavor, but both are "drinkabl= e".  Will discontinue experiment since about 1 hour is about all the ti= me anyone should spend getting moving in the morning while in Mother Nature'= s living room.  I didn't try the "burnin' glass heater" 'cuz I couldn't= find mine. Both samples would have been much better hot or iced, but in a c= old camp, hot is out of the question & by third day, ice is gone -- if y= ou took any to start with.  However, the experiment worked in creating=20= coffee even though it wasn't steaming hot.
    
Nauga Mok --part1_71.33fd9a89.2c7b8bdf_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 25 Aug 2003 09:04:24 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C36AE7.E16D9270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nauga Mok and all, Thanks for the menus and suggestions. Certainly they all are common = sense answers to a cold camp. As to taking an hour to sun brew coffee in = the morning, there is no rule that says it can't be started the = night/day before if your going to drink it cold anyway and in the = morning a dollop of rum/Irish Cream/ etc. will take the edge off the = fact that it is cold coffee.=20 The challenge of course is to do it pc in an abnormal situation during = modern times. PC would likely be eating jerky and parched corn washed = down with creek water and not having a fire for security considerations = in hostile country. It will be a shame not being able to cook the trout = that are available but their more fun to catch and release most times = anyway. Thanks again for the ideas and cautions. Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C36AE7.E16D9270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nauga Mok and all,
 
Thanks for the menus and suggestions. = Certainly=20 they all are common sense answers to a cold camp. As to taking an hour = to sun=20 brew coffee in the morning, there is no rule that says it can't be = started the=20 night/day before if your going to drink it cold anyway and in the = morning a=20 dollop of rum/Irish Cream/ etc. will take the edge off the fact that it = is cold=20 coffee.
 
The challenge of course is to do it pc = in an=20 abnormal situation during modern times. PC would likely be eating jerky = and=20 parched corn washed down with creek water and not having a fire for = security=20 considerations in hostile country. It will be a shame not being able to = cook the=20 trout that are available but their more fun to catch and release most = times=20 anyway.
 
Thanks again for the ideas and=20 cautions.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C36AE7.E16D9270-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp coffee Date: 25 Aug 2003 15:07:34 EDT --part1_11c.258dc30d.2c7bb876_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those interested, I continued the experiment to satisfy my curiosity to see just how hot the coffee would get. Temps taken with a Radio Shack digital multimeter with temp probe. Results were: Time: 9:30 AM Ambient temp: 92 Temp in jar: 114 Temp in pot: 107 10:45 AM (oops!) 96 129 120 11:30 AM 100 132 127 Test terminated since there wasn't an appreciable difference between 10:30 & 11:30 & the difference observed was less than the increase in the ambient on the jar's results. However at the 129 - 132 range in the jar & 127 in the pot, the coffee was now hot enough I couldn't "chugalug" it. Also, the grounds had pretty well settled to the bottom of the containers by the 10:30 observation. Nauga Mok --part1_11c.258dc30d.2c7bb876_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those interested, I continued the experiment to sa= tisfy my curiosity to see just how hot the coffee would get.  Temps tak= en with a Radio Shack digital multimeter with temp probe.  Results were= :

Time: 9:30 AM   Ambient temp: 92  Temp in jar: 114  = ; Temp in pot: 107
         10:45 AM  (oops!) = ;             96=             &nbs= p;          129  &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;          120
          11:30 AM  &= nbsp;            = ;           100  = ;            &nb= sp;        132    &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;        127

Test terminated since there wasn't an appreciable difference between 10:30 &= amp; 11:30 & the difference observed was less than the increase in the a= mbient on the jar's results.  However at the 129 - 132 range in the jar= & 127 in the pot, the coffee was now hot enough I couldn't "chugalug" i= t.  Also, the grounds had pretty well settled to the bottom of the cont= ainers by the 10:30 observation.

Nauga Mok --part1_11c.258dc30d.2c7bb876_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sue Gilbert Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 25 Aug 2003 19:22:33 -0500 My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make. I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for events as needed. Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following: jerk meat (venison or buffalo) parched corn dried cranberries dried apples dried squash sunflower seeds the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans when you have a chance to cook. enjoy! Sue Bruce Nail wrote: My partners > have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare consists of > the following: > Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!) ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember Date: 26 Aug 2003 00:42:47 +0000 Fellow List members, I have been working on a big project and thought I'd share some of it with you. I have collected over 450 dates of deaths, battles, marriages and anniversaries from the fur trade. And putting them on a calendar, hopefully one day to give out. For this week, here are some dates to think about: 26th Osborne Russell dies of "Miner's Rheumetism" 1892 Date when John Fitzpatrick and a young Jim Bridger leave Hugh Glass to die 27th Alexander Culbertson dies in Nebraska 1879 28th 29th George Ruxton dies in St. Louis on his way back west, 1848 Zenas Leonard returns to Independence from 4 year, 4 month and 5 day trip west, 1835 Antoine Robidoux dies in Missouri, 1860 30th Asa and Sarah Smith (missionaries) arrive at the Whitman Station (Mission) Thomas Eddie born in Scotland, 1799 31th Susan Magoffin arrives in Santa Fe, 1846 Nathanial Wyeth dies in Mass., 1856 If you would like to see more, let me know. This year's days of the week match the years for the Gregorian calendars of: 1806, 1817, 1823, 1834, 1845 mike. ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember Date: 25 Aug 2003 19:26:37 -0600 Nice Work, Mike I'll print this off. And I'll wait for your compilation of the calendar. You might want to color code by year, decade or area so it's not so mindboggling to us mortal beings. James Stone aka Sparks Utah Garrison,ALRA amm1616@comcast.net wrote: >Fellow List members, > I have been working on a big project and thought I'd >share some of it with you. I have collected over 450 dates >of deaths, battles, marriages and anniversaries from the fur >trade. And putting them on a calendar, hopefully one day to >give out. For this week, here are some dates to think about: >26th Osborne Russell dies of "Miner's Rheumetism" 1892 > Date when John Fitzpatrick and a young Jim Bridger leave > Hugh Glass to die >27th Alexander Culbertson dies in Nebraska 1879 >28th >29th George Ruxton dies in St. Louis on his way back west, 1848 > Zenas Leonard returns to Independence from 4 year, 4 month and 5 day > trip west, 1835 > Antoine Robidoux dies in Missouri, 1860 >30th Asa and Sarah Smith (missionaries) arrive at the Whitman Station > (Mission) > Thomas Eddie born in Scotland, 1799 >31th Susan Magoffin arrives in Santa Fe, 1846 > Nathanial Wyeth dies in Mass., 1856 > > If you would like to see more, let me know. This year's days of >the week match the years for the Gregorian calendars of: 1806, 1817, >1823, 1834, 1845 > mike. > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember Date: 26 Aug 2003 01:49:07 +0000 James, Actually, I'm was doing red for battles, blue for births and black for deaths. Didn't know what to use for dates of marriages, any ideas? mike. > Nice Work, Mike > I'll print this off. > And I'll wait for your compilation of the calendar. > You might want to color code by year, decade or area so it's not so > mindboggling to us mortal beings. > James Stone > aka Sparks > Utah Garrison,ALRA > > amm1616@comcast.net wrote: > > >Fellow List members, > > I have been working on a big project and thought I'd > >share some of it with you. I have collected over 450 dates > >of deaths, battles, marriages and anniversaries from the fur > >trade. And putting them on a calendar, hopefully one day to > >give out. For this week, here are some dates to think about: > >26th Osborne Russell dies of "Miner's Rheumetism" 1892 > > Date when John Fitzpatrick and a young Jim Bridger leave > > Hugh Glass to die > >27th Alexander Culbertson dies in Nebraska 1879 > >28th > >29th George Ruxton dies in St. Louis on his way back west, 1848 > > Zenas Leonard returns to Independence from 4 year, 4 month and 5 day > > trip west, 1835 > > Antoine Robidoux dies in Missouri, 1860 > >30th Asa and Sarah Smith (missionaries) arrive at the Whitman Station > > (Mission) > > Thomas Eddie born in Scotland, 1799 > >31th Susan Magoffin arrives in Santa Fe, 1846 > > Nathanial Wyeth dies in Mass., 1856 > > > > If you would like to see more, let me know. This year's days of > >the week match the years for the Gregorian calendars of: 1806, 1817, > >1823, 1834, 1845 > > mike. > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: Display Notification: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu Date: 26 Aug 2003 18:36:44 -0600 This is a confirmation that the message has been displayed to the user. = Note: This is NOT a guarantee that the message has been read or understood.= ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:16:54 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:22 PM > My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great > Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a > heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make. > I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for > events as needed. > > Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following: > > jerk meat (venison or buffalo) > parched corn > dried cranberries > dried apples > dried squash > sunflower seeds > > the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture > together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with > water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans > when you have a chance to cook. > enjoy! > Sue > > > > > Bruce Nail wrote: > My partners > > have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare consists of > > the following: > > Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!) > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:21:31 -0600 Sorry about that other post, mouse problems. Anyway I noticed several people have mentioned dried sqash. Which varieties are most period or work best? And do you skin and remove seeds etc? Wynn Ormond PS This is the best time to gather corn for parching. The gardeners are a little tired of eating corn on the cob and the kernals are getting kind big and tough now anyway. Perfect for parching and can be had cheap if not free. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:22 PM > My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great > Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a > heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make. > I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for > events as needed. > > Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following: > > jerk meat (venison or buffalo) > parched corn > dried cranberries > dried apples > dried squash > sunflower seeds > > the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture > together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with > water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans > when you have a chance to cook. > enjoy! > Sue > > > > > Bruce Nail wrote: > My partners > > have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare consists of > > the following: > > Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!) > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger Date: 26 Aug 2003 22:23:01 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C36C20.9C7E9300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone let me know what the fire restrictions at Fort Bridger are = going to be? 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Can anyone let me know what the fire = restrictions=20 at Fort Bridger are going to be?
 
Wynn Ormond
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C36C20.9C7E9300-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 01:18:47 EDT --part1_14c.233e79f4.2c7d9937_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with the pumpkins Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash and the smaller ones are the summer squash. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm At your service Crazy Cyot --part1_14c.233e79f4.2c7d9937_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow= n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest= ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F= ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s= o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ= ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least= some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla= vor, same with the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web= site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq= uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
http://member= s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm
At your service
Crazy Cyot --part1_14c.233e79f4.2c7d9937_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Squash Date: 27 Aug 2003 01:29:26 EDT --part1_133.24549838.2c7d9bb6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with the pumpkins Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash and the smaller ones are the summer squash. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm At your service Crazy Cyot --part1_133.24549838.2c7d9bb6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow= n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest= ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F= ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s= o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ= ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least= some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla= vor, same with the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web= site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq= uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
http://member= s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm
At your service
Crazy Cyot --part1_133.24549838.2c7d9bb6_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 09:30:38 EDT --part1_18.34747328.2c7e0c7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with the pumpkins Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash and the smaller ones are the summer squash. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm At your service Crazy Cyot --part1_18.34747328.2c7e0c7e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow= n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest= ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F= ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s= o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ= ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least= some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla= vor, same with the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web= site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq= uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
http://member= s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm
At your service
Crazy Cyot --part1_18.34747328.2c7e0c7e_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Squash Date: 27 Aug 2003 09:37:52 EDT --part1_b0.3da8a2af.2c7e0e30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with the pumpkins Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash and the smaller ones are the summer squash. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm At your service Crazy Cyot --part1_b0.3da8a2af.2c7e0e30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow= n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest= ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F= ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s= o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ= ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least= some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla= vor, same with the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web= site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq= uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
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Crazy Cyot --part1_b0.3da8a2af.2c7e0e30_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ronald Schrotter Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger Date: 27 Aug 2003 07:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Wynn, near as I can tell, they have to be above the ground so as not to scorch the grass. We have received a fair amount of rain in the last couple of weeks, and it is pretty green over here. I have not been informed of any other restrictions. Dog --- Wynn Ormond wrote: > Can anyone let me know what the fire restrictions at > Fort Bridger are going to be? > > Wynn Ormond > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 10:13:43 EDT --part1_129.306c662f.2c7e1697_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with the pumpkins Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash and the smaller ones are the summer squash. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm At your service Crazy Cyot --part1_129.306c662f.2c7e1697_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow= n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest= ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F= ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s= o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ= ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least= some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla= vor, same with the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web= site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq= uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
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Crazy Cyot --part1_129.306c662f.2c7e1697_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Mailing list problems Date: 27 Aug 2003 10:40:54 EDT --part1_d0.3e06b6c6.2c7e1cf6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for all the same posts to the list but for some reason it was not showing up on my list. I even unsubscribed and resubscribed to the list to see if that would fix it. I thought for some reason I was not able to post to the list. I didn't think they were getting through. Once again sorry for all the same the posts. Crazy Cyot --part1_d0.3e06b6c6.2c7e1cf6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for all the same po= sts to the list but for some reason it was not showing up on my list.
I even unsubscribed and resubscribed to the list to see if that would fi= x it.=20
I thought for some reason I was not able to post to the list.
I didn't think they were getting through.
Once again sorry for all the same the posts.
Crazy Cyot --part1_d0.3e06b6c6.2c7e1cf6_boundary-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 08:33:08 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C36C75.D7C60C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy, Read your site article on agriculture and enjoyed it. Read Buffalo Bird = Woman's story several years ago and have enjoyed trying some of her = gardening techniques too.=20 This is just to ask you if you are aware of "Native Seed Search"? An = outfit out of the South West that is non-profit and has a great = selection of seeds and products such as blue corn flour, Pinole, etc. = Even native tobacco seed. Grew some of that native tobacco a few years = ago and beside the tobacco found that the stalks are sticky and trap = aphids! What fun. YF&B Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C36C75.D7C60C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy,
 
Read your site article on agriculture = and enjoyed=20 it. Read Buffalo Bird Woman's story several years ago and have enjoyed = trying=20 some of her gardening techniques too.
 
This is just to ask you if you are = aware of "Native=20 Seed Search"? An outfit out of the South West that is non-profit and has = a great=20 selection of seeds and products such as blue corn flour, Pinole, etc. = Even=20 native tobacco seed. Grew some of that native tobacco a few years ago = and beside=20 the tobacco found that the stalks are sticky and trap aphids! What=20 fun.
 
YF&B
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C36C75.D7C60C40-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Monte Holder" Subject: MtMan-List: Tobacco: was Pemmican Date: 27 Aug 2003 10:41:10 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C36C87.BAB00B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I grew some burley tobacco one year and it trapped tomato hornworms, I = think they are really tobacco hornworms that eat tomatos but the tobacco = was pretty interesting stuff to grow. I don't think I harvested it = quite right, it was a pretty rough smoke. I would like to check into = some of the native tobacco though, and there was a thread about the bear = berry stuff in kinikink(sp?) some time ago, but I never could find a = source for it around here in central missouri. I don't know of anybody = in Saline CO that grows tobacco, but just over the river around Glasgow = they grow some. It appears some of the stuff they grew for rope (hemp) = still grows in the road ditches, though. Monte Holder Saline Co MO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu . Even native tobacco seed. Grew some of that native tobacco a few = years ago and beside the tobacco found that the stalks are sticky and = trap aphids! What fun. YF&B Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C36C87.BAB00B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I grew some burley tobacco one year and it trapped tomato = hornworms, I=20 think they are really tobacco hornworms that eat tomatos but the tobacco = was=20 pretty interesting stuff to grow.  I don't think I harvested it = quite=20 right, it was a pretty rough smoke.  I would like to check into = some of the=20 native tobacco though, and there was a thread about the bear berry stuff = in=20 kinikink(sp?) some time ago, but I never could find a source for it = around here=20 in central missouri.  I don't know of anybody in Saline CO that = grows=20 tobacco, but just over the river around Glasgow they grow some.  It = appears=20 some of the stuff they grew for rope (hemp) still grows in the road = ditches,=20 though.
 
Monte Holder
Saline Co MO
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From:=20 roger lahti=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, = 2003 10:33=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Pemmican was=20 cold camp menu
. Even native tobacco seed. Grew some = of that=20 native tobacco a few years ago and beside the tobacco found that the = stalks=20 are sticky and trap aphids! What fun.
 
YF&B
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C36C87.BAB00B30-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco: was Pemmican Date: 27 Aug 2003 09:48:45 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C36C80.67DA9DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Native Seed Search has tobacco seed that is specific for various = locals/altitudes and I'll bet the Indians of CO. grew the stuff next to = their pueblos. Capt. L ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C36C80.67DA9DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Native Seed Search has tobacco seed = that is=20 specific for various locals/altitudes and I'll bet the Indians of CO. = grew the=20 stuff next to their pueblos.
 
Capt. L
 
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C36C80.67DA9DA0-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Monte Holder" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco: was Pemmican Date: 27 Aug 2003 11:54:24 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C36C91.F5F41E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Capt.L, but I wrote (Or meant to write ) Saline Co MO. Monte Holder PS anybody know where I can get some of those bear berry seeds or if = they'd grow in Missouri? The guy I asked at the Conservation dept, = didn't sound too excited about me growing "exotics" ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C36C91.F5F41E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Capt.L, but I wrote (Or meant to write ) Saline Co MO.
 
Monte Holder
 
PS anybody know where I can get some of those bear berry seeds or = if they'd=20 grow in Missouri?  The guy I asked at the Conservation dept, didn't = sound=20 too excited about me growing "exotics"
------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C36C91.F5F41E20-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco: was Pemmican Date: 27 Aug 2003 11:06:09 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C36C8B.381E7540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll bet you wouldn't have any problem growing Tobacco there either! Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Monte Holder=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco: was Pemmican Sorry Capt.L, but I wrote (Or meant to write ) Saline Co MO. Monte Holder PS anybody know where I can get some of those bear berry seeds or if = they'd grow in Missouri? The guy I asked at the Conservation dept, = didn't sound too excited about me growing "exotics" ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C36C8B.381E7540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll bet you wouldn't have any problem = growing=20 Tobacco there either!
 
Capt. L
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From:=20 Monte Holder
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, = 2003 9:54=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Tobacco: was=20 Pemmican

Sorry Capt.L, but I wrote (Or meant to write ) Saline Co = MO.
 
Monte Holder
 
PS anybody know where I can get some of those bear berry seeds or = if=20 they'd grow in Missouri?  The guy I asked at the Conservation = dept,=20 didn't sound too excited about me growing=20 "exotics"
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http://www.fortbridgerrendezvous.net/
sparks

Wynn Ormond wrote:
Can anyone let me know what the fire restrictions at Fort Bridger are going to be?
 
Wynn Ormond

--------------090509090303040603000305-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 12:25:58 -0600 --------------020503020003040300040808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn, I've never dried winter squash. I have dried yellow crookneck and zuccini with much success. Seeds? I would submit that if you have to take the seeds out when you eat it fresh, take them out when you dry them! I have never removed seeds from squash (peaches and plums are a different matter [;-)). Slice them about a quarter inch thick before drying them or they will not only look like onion skin paper when you remove them from your racks, they will also fall apart while you are taking them off. I turn mine ever so often during the process. If you make it to Ft. Bridger this weekend, I expect to be spending Saturday afternoon and evening with the American Long Rifle Assn. members near the guardhouse. sparks Wynn Ormond wrote: >Sorry about that other post, mouse problems. > >Anyway I noticed several people have mentioned dried sqash. Which varieties >are most period or work best? And do you skin and remove seeds etc? >Wynn Ormond > >PS This is the best time to gather corn for parching. The gardeners are a >little tired of eating corn on the cob and the kernals are getting kind big >and tough now anyway. Perfect for parching and can be had cheap if not >free. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sue Gilbert >To: >Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:22 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu > > > > >>My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great >>Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a >>heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make. >>I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for >>events as needed. >> >>Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following: >> >>jerk meat (venison or buffalo) >>parched corn >>dried cranberries >>dried apples >>dried squash >>sunflower seeds >> >>the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture >>together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with >>water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans >>when you have a chance to cook. >>enjoy! >>Sue >> >> >> >> >>Bruce Nail wrote: >> My partners >> >> >>>have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare >>> >>> >consists of > > >>>the following: >>> Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!) >>> >>> >> >> >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> >> > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > --------------020503020003040300040808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn,
I've never dried winter squash.  I have dried yellow crookneck and zuccini with much success.  Seeds? I would submit that if you have to take the seeds out when you eat it fresh, take them out when you dry them!  I have never removed seeds from squash (peaches and plums are a different matter [;-)).  Slice them about a quarter inch thick before drying them or they will not only look like onion skin paper when you remove them from your racks, they will also fall apart while you are taking them off.
I turn mine ever so often during the process.

If you make it to Ft. Bridger this weekend, I expect to be spending Saturday afternoon and evening with the American Long Rifle Assn. members near the guardhouse.
sparks

Wynn Ormond wrote:
Sorry about that other post, mouse problems.

Anyway I noticed several people have mentioned dried sqash.  Which varieties
are most period or work best?  And do you skin and remove seeds etc?
Wynn Ormond

PS This is the best time to gather corn for parching.  The gardeners are a
little tired of eating corn on the cob and the kernals are getting kind big
and tough now anyway.  Perfect for parching and can be had cheap if not
free.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:22 PM


  
My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great
Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a
heart danger.  Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make.
I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for
events as needed.

Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following:

jerk meat (venison or buffalo)
parched corn
dried cranberries
dried apples
dried squash
sunflower seeds

the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture
together slightly.  It's great as is by the handful, washed down with
water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans
when you have a chance to cook.
enjoy!
Sue




Bruce Nail wrote:
  My partners
    
have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu".  some of the fare
      
consists of
  
the following:
     Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!)
      



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--------------020503020003040300040808-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 14:44:31 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C36CA9.B9899420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn, In Buffalo Bird Woman's gardening book she talked of drying squash much = as Crazy and Jill talk about it on their site. As I recall this is how BBW described it in her book and how I did it. = She either cut the squash in to "rings" or a spiral across the squash, = removed the seeds for roasting (excellent!) and strung the squash rings = on a pole to be suspended off the ground on a rack. A tall tri-pod set = up at both ends seems likely for a single pole. As Crazy described it, the dried squash ring was boiled up until the = meat could be separated from the skin and then added to the pot, etc. I = think I trimmed mine off before drying and used a drier for lack of a = pole, etc. Worked out the same. It can be eaten dried or cooked up. = Pumpkin works good too and I think I even cooked up some pumpkin a while = and dried the semi cooked chunks. Might even have cooked it up with some = brown sugar. Speaking of which, I need to get some pecans or walnuts and some maple = syrup. I'll cover the bottom of a pan with the nuts and pour in a goodly = dose of maple syrup and cook it all down till the syrup turns to plain = sugar (it will get sticky and adhere to the nuts at that point) being = careful not to burn it. Makes a great trail food and snack in camp and = could be mixed with the dried fruits and other nuts we've been talking = about. The same can be done with parched Indian corn ( the full hard kernels = rather than the wrinkled up sweet corn) after parching it. Makes it a = bit more palatable.=20 I still have some pemmican I made last summer, didn't use it all = hunting. It's made the normal way with whatever dried fruits, nuts and = jerky I had laying around. Used pork lard instead of beef tallow but it = works. Wrapped it in parchment paper rolls. Being a sweetie I laced it = with raw sugar granules.=20 And I need to make up some of Hardtack's hardtack recipe with my = addition of some raw sugar pressed into the top before baking. Crawdad = loves the stuff and if it keeps him paddling I'll feed him the whole = sack. Kinda like training a puppy to dog paddle for a biscuit. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C36CA9.B9899420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wynn,
 
In Buffalo Bird Woman's gardening book = she talked=20 of drying squash much as Crazy and Jill talk about it on their=20 site.
 
As I recall this is how BBW described = it in her=20 book and how I did it. She either cut the squash in to "rings" or a = spiral=20 across the squash, removed the seeds for roasting (excellent!) and = strung the=20 squash rings on a pole to be suspended off the ground on a rack. A tall = tri-pod=20 set up at both ends seems likely for  a single pole.
 
As Crazy described it, the dried squash = ring was=20 boiled up until the meat could be separated from the skin and then added = to the=20 pot, etc. I think I trimmed mine off before drying and used a drier for = lack of=20 a pole, etc. Worked out the same. It can be eaten dried or cooked up. = Pumpkin=20 works good too and I think I even cooked up some pumpkin a while and = dried the=20 semi cooked chunks. Might even have cooked it up with some brown=20 sugar.
 
Speaking of which, I need to get some = pecans or=20 walnuts and some maple syrup. I'll cover the bottom of a pan with the = nuts and=20 pour in a goodly dose of maple syrup and cook it all down till the syrup = turns=20 to plain sugar (it will get sticky and adhere to the nuts at that point) = being=20 careful not to burn it. Makes a great trail food and snack in camp and = could be=20 mixed with the dried fruits and other nuts we've been talking=20 about.
 
The same can be done with parched = Indian corn ( the=20 full hard kernels rather than the wrinkled up sweet corn) after parching = it.=20 Makes it a bit more palatable.
 
I still have some pemmican I made last = summer,=20 didn't use it all hunting. It's made the normal way with whatever dried = fruits,=20 nuts and jerky I had laying around. Used pork lard instead of beef = tallow but it=20 works. Wrapped it in parchment paper rolls. Being a sweetie I laced it = with raw=20 sugar granules.
 
And I need to make up some of = Hardtack's hardtack=20 recipe with my addition of some raw sugar pressed into the top before = baking.=20 Crawdad loves the stuff and if it keeps him paddling I'll feed him the = whole=20 sack. Kinda like training a puppy to dog paddle for a = biscuit.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C36CA9.B9899420-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James and Sue Stone Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 16:33:28 -0600 --------------060903060601090806010608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger, Thanks for the details. When I was referring to leaving the seeds in the slices, it was because the sqash and the seeds were tender enough to eat. When they are still in the relatively-early development stage, I don't know if they be good for roasting, but that's my guess. If you've tried that you know more than I do. WATCH IT! when buying pumpkins, they are NOT all the same. Some (most in the stores) are grown for carving before discarding on November 5. EATING PUMPKINS ARE DIFFERENT! I never would have known except for the local fruit/vegetable stand vendors. Both, of course, are edible. But the one's grown for eating are probably closest to what the native Americans had . Sparks roger lahti wrote: > Wynn, > > In Buffalo Bird Woman's gardening book she talked of drying squash > much as Crazy and Jill talk about it on their site. > > As I recall this is how BBW described it in her book and how I did it. > She either cut the squash in to "rings" or a spiral across the squash, > removed the seeds for roasting (excellent!) and strung the squash > rings on a pole to be suspended off the ground on a rack. A tall > tri-pod set up at both ends seems likely for a single pole. > > As Crazy described it, the dried squash ring was boiled up until the > meat could be separated from the skin and then added to the pot, etc. > I think I trimmed mine off before drying and used a drier for lack of > a pole, etc. Worked out the same. It can be eaten dried or cooked up. > Pumpkin works good too and I think I even cooked up some pumpkin a > while and dried the semi cooked chunks. Might even have cooked it up > with some brown sugar. > > Speaking of which, I need to get some pecans or walnuts and some maple > syrup. I'll cover the bottom of a pan with the nuts and pour in a > goodly dose of maple syrup and cook it all down till the syrup turns > to plain sugar (it will get sticky and adhere to the nuts at that > point) being careful not to burn it. Makes a great trail food and > snack in camp and could be mixed with the dried fruits and other nuts > we've been talking about. > > The same can be done with parched Indian corn ( the full hard kernels > rather than the wrinkled up sweet corn) after parching it. Makes it a > bit more palatable. > > I still have some pemmican I made last summer, didn't use it all > hunting. It's made the normal way with whatever dried fruits, nuts and > jerky I had laying around. Used pork lard instead of beef tallow but > it works. Wrapped it in parchment paper rolls. Being a sweetie I laced > it with raw sugar granules. > > And I need to make up some of Hardtack's hardtack recipe with my > addition of some raw sugar pressed into the top before baking. Crawdad > loves the stuff and if it keeps him paddling I'll feed him the whole > sack. Kinda like training a puppy to dog paddle for a biscuit. > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > --------------060903060601090806010608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger,
Thanks for the details.  When I was referring to leaving the seeds in the slices, it was because the sqash and the seeds were tender enough to eat.  When they are still in the relatively-early development stage, I don't know if they be good for roasting, but that's my guess.  If you've tried that you know more than I do.  

WATCH IT!  when buying pumpkins, they are NOT all the same.  Some (most in the stores) are grown for carving before discarding on November 5.  EATING PUMPKINS ARE DIFFERENT!  I never would have known except for the local fruit/vegetable stand vendors.  Both, of course, are edible.  But the one's grown for eating are probably closest to what the native Americans had .
Sparks

roger lahti wrote:
Wynn,
 
In Buffalo Bird Woman's gardening book she talked of drying squash much as Crazy and Jill talk about it on their site.
 
As I recall this is how BBW described it in her book and how I did it. She either cut the squash in to "rings" or a spiral across the squash, removed the seeds for roasting (excellent!) and strung the squash rings on a pole to be suspended off the ground on a rack. A tall tri-pod set up at both ends seems likely for  a single pole.
 
As Crazy described it, the dried squash ring was boiled up until the meat could be separated from the skin and then added to the pot, etc. I think I trimmed mine off before drying and used a drier for lack of a pole, etc. Worked out the same. It can be eaten dried or cooked up. Pumpkin works good too and I think I even cooked up some pumpkin a while and dried the semi cooked chunks. Might even have cooked it up with some brown sugar.
 
Speaking of which, I need to get some pecans or walnuts and some maple syrup. I'll cover the bottom of a pan with the nuts and pour in a goodly dose of maple syrup and cook it all down till the syrup turns to plain sugar (it will get sticky and adhere to the nuts at that point) being careful not to burn it. Makes a great trail food and snack in camp and could be mixed with the dried fruits and other nuts we've been talking about.
 
The same can be done with parched Indian corn ( the full hard kernels rather than the wrinkled up sweet corn) after parching it. Makes it a bit more palatable.
 
I still have some pemmican I made last summer, didn't use it all hunting. It's made the normal way with whatever dried fruits, nuts and jerky I had laying around. Used pork lard instead of beef tallow but it works. Wrapped it in parchment paper rolls. Being a sweetie I laced it with raw sugar granules.
 
And I need to make up some of Hardtack's hardtack recipe with my addition of some raw sugar pressed into the top before baking. Crawdad loves the stuff and if it keeps him paddling I'll feed him the whole sack. Kinda like training a puppy to dog paddle for a biscuit.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 

--------------060903060601090806010608-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu Date: 27 Aug 2003 21:05:45 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C36CDE.FB472870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jimmy, I was speaking of mature squash myself and I suspect that is what the = Indians harvested and dried. But whether pumpkin or squash seeds, I = believe they are all edible. Pumpkin is more so as they have a much = thinner hull that really doesn't need to be taken off. Just roast them = after a soak in salt water and chow down! And your likely right about = jack-o-lantern pumpkins and eat'in pumpkins. But whatever kind I grew = they were good to eat and big. Made great carving pumpkins. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C36CDE.FB472870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jimmy,
 
I was speaking of mature squash myself = and I=20 suspect that is what the Indians harvested and dried. But whether = pumpkin or=20 squash seeds, I believe they are all edible. Pumpkin is more so as they = have a=20 much thinner hull that really doesn't need to be taken off. Just roast = them=20 after a soak in salt water and chow down! And your likely right about=20 jack-o-lantern pumpkins and eat'in pumpkins. But whatever kind I grew = they were=20 good to eat and big. Made great carving pumpkins.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C36CDE.FB472870-- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: FW: AMM-List: FW: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe Date: 28 Aug 2003 21:33:38 -0700 > > > [Original Message] > > From: Randal Bublitz > > To: roger lahti > > > > Hi Capt., Here's the Hardtack recipe that most folks, and all dogs > love; > > > > 3 cups milk (I use raw when I can get it, or buttermilk) > > 2 tablespoons of sugar (raw brown sugar is my preference) > > 1 tablespoon of salt (sea salt distilled on the breasts of young > Polynesian virgins, if available ) > > 8 cups of flour (5 cups whole wheat flour, 3 cups unbleached, is my > favorite mix) > > 4 tablespoons of shortening > > > > Mix ingredients together and roll out 1/4" thick. Cut into squares 3" x > 3", punch holes with a wooden spoon handle (like a soda cracker). Bake at > 400 dg. for 35 minutes, to taste. > > > > More moisture left in it, more edible...less moisture..longer lasting. > Store in a cloth sack to avoid mold, etc... > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: roger lahti > > > > > > Hardtack, > > > > > > Can't find my recipe for your hardtack. Would it be too much trouble to > get > > > it from you again? Thanks. > > > > > > Capt. L > > > > -------------------- > Aux Aliments de Pays! ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Site Update Date: 31 Aug 2003 14:52:31 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36FCF.815D61C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a few new knives up and some antler mounted awls.=20 =20 http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 Thanks D ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C36FCF.815D61C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a few new knives up and some = antler mounted=20 awls.
   
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