From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #73 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 073 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:46:55 EDT From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint True but I was raised not to ask questions unless necessary. If info is given to me I gratefully accept it but to ask is to be impolite....I grew up real Southern kind of way still am that way alot of times :) But am the least racist person you'll ever meet probably because deafness (I use American Sign Language) runs all racial barriers. One last question I have to ask before I sign off. Does anyone actually still use American Indian Sign Language nowdays? Ted _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:13:52 EDT From: EmmaPeel2 Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: smoke (serious question) In a message dated 98-05-19 15:57:10 EDT, you write: << Hello the list, I asked a question and I suppose I should have worded it differently since I have gotten off line remarks that are not relevant to the question. Question was "wonder how they coped with things like this in the 1800's ." I had hoped for serious answers in the same vein as the one's on dropsy or on medicine in the same time period. I am doing fine in my un-airconditioned vehicle and work place, thank you. YMOS Ken YellowFeather >> The best way to understand how a group "coped" and adapted to environmental -- or any other trauma (medical, psychological) required an understanding of their beliefs in context. We all know people who have endured great adversity and never cracked, while others shattered at the simplest of annoyances. As a medical anthropologist who studies the impact of stressors on the body, I would say that this group was particularly independent and RESOURCEFUL, which are key components in being able to adapt. Odds are also good, that they were also somewhat fit and strong (though I can only conject upon things like intestinal parasites, which would severely weaken a person) Although I have not had the opportunity to examine MM remains, I am quite certain they would have accepted and adapted to environmental emergencies quite readily. They would just do what they had to do -- perhaps a wet rag around the nostrils and mouth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:14:28 EDT From: MIA3WOLVES Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint Yes! It is still taught to many deaf children as their primary means of communication. It is, also, used with non verbal autistic children to some extent. Red Hawk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 17:50:07 -0400 From: "kd4rfa" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive archery This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD8805.8EAC1C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can recommend the following: http://www.pioneerpc.com/primitivearcher Your humble servant "Empty-Poke" - -----Original Message----- From: JarhedMatt To: mlml@vnet.net ; hist_text@xmission.com Date: Monday, May 25, 1998 1:36 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Primitive archery > Hi, List. > > I know that this is way "off list", so I'll only ask once. Can anyone >recommend a decent primitive archery mailing list/www site? > > Thanks, > > Matt W > - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD8805.8EAC1C20 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Philip Alexander.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Philip Alexander.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Alexander;Philip;;; FN:Philip Alexander ORG:Swift Denim; TITLE: REV:19980525T215007Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BD8805.8EAC1C20-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: zaslow Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Information Requested on Davenport Rifle I realize this is not our time period (so let me appologize if it is offensive to anyone) but my sister in Florida asked me this question the other day and it is the fastest and easiest way I could think of to get the information. She has a friend who wants to buy a Davenport Rifle and get as much information on the manufacturer as he can. It was manufactured during the Civil War and I would imagine it was for the North, since it was made in either Rhode Island or Connecticut. Apparently, the person who wants this information is related to the original owner of the Davenport Arms Company. Since my interest is in the American Fur Trade, I have never heard of this manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had ever heard of it and could provide some information or knew of one for sale. If you want to respond off line, my E-Mail address is: zaz@pacificnet.net I would appreciate any help. Thanks again, Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:24:39 EDT From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint Really? Please correspond with me privately via e-mail as some of my discussion points don't pertain to this board. Ted _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:24:39 EDT From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint Forgot to add that my e-mail address is TedHart@juno.com Ted On Mon, 25 May 1998 16:14:28 EDT MIA3WOLVES writes: >Yes! It is still taught to many deaf children as their primary means >of >communication. It is, also, used with non verbal autistic children to >some >extent. > >Red Hawk _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:33:26 -0500 From: "Michael Branson" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint I would answer yes, to that question. I never used it at any buckskinners Rendezvous when I used to attend them. But I still use it at places such as Bent's Old Fort and Ft. Laramie. I can't say I'm as good as I would like to be but it is hard to learn it when you don't have a daily need for it. M. Branson - -----Original Message----- From: Ted A Hart To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Monday, May 25, 1998 12:48 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint >True but I was raised not to ask questions unless necessary. If info is >given to me I gratefully accept it but to ask is to be impolite....I grew >up real Southern kind of way still am that way alot of times :) But am >the least racist person you'll ever meet probably because deafness (I use >American Sign Language) runs all racial barriers. > >One last question I have to ask before I sign off. Does anyone actually >still use American Indian Sign Language nowdays? > >Ted > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:30:25 EDT From: EmmaPeel2 Subject: MtMan-List: Just tossing out an idea, would like some feedback Have spent the past 11 months researching the St. Vrain family, and ran into a few Bent, Dubreil, and Derbigny descendants along the way. The idea was casually dropped about having a reuinion for the descendants of those who worked at and trapped for Bents FOrt. Many still live in the area. Just out of curiosity - I wonder how this could be done, and if anyone would seriously be interested. Since the MM are what MADE Bents Fort, it would be unthinkable not to have a rendezvous of sorts. Any suggestions? Or is this a ridiculous idea? Thoughts welcome. I know the St. Vrain descendants would be enthusiastic, the trick is, how to convince the NPS? Thanks for any advice or comment - Emma ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:21:57 -0500 From: Jim Colburn Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint Washtahay- At 04:14 PM 5/25/98 EDT, you wrote: >Yes! It is still taught to many deaf children as their primary means of >communication. It is, also, used with non verbal autistic children to some >extent. Um, I hink you mean American Sign Language is taught to deaf children as thier primary means of communication. Based on my experience with non-verbal autistic children, again it is either ASL, or SEE, or a localized or individual specific signing system, usually supplemented ASAP by picture cards (at least if I have any input into writing the programs!) Sorry for the off topic post. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:28:23 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On and off topic Censorship is an ugly disease of the mind. In my most recent mail download two questions were raised and the authors pleaded forgiveness for going off topic. Why are they so gun shy? Both questions were completely ON TOPIC and entirely appropriate to the list discussion. I also find no problem with seeking the broad expertise on this list to answer occasional questions clearly outside our period of interest; like one concerning a Civil War period gun. These things should not require apology. Primitive Archery is a valid topic for discussion. More valid than anti-perspirant used as anti-poison ivy. As valid as any discussion of clothing, knives and guns. The original mountain men learned from the native inhabitants the ways of the mountains and plains, some intermarried and lived with various tribes. A bow may not shoot as far, but, it can shoot a lot faster than a flintlock. To think it doesn't belong here is just plain wrong. I can believe at least a few of the mountain men carried a bow and arrows around with them long before I can believe they hauled a teepee, unless they also packed a squaw. Indian Sign Language, American Sign Language, Any Sign Language. I have been corrected before on this but, I still maintain there are many similarities in the various versions of "sign". What I have come to believe is once you learn any one form, it becomes possible to work out communication with any other form; at least easier than between different spoken languages. One of the requirements to advance to the Hiveranno degree in AMM is to learn Indian Sign Language. The topic is appropriate. What we need to pay closer attention to is our subject headings. If we change the topic we should change the subject heading; i.e., neither of the above have anything to do with war paint. My rant: This forum should not be used as a medium for personal business advertising. I try to remember to change my "standard" sig file to the one I use for the list, before I hit the send button. Sometimes I forget so occasionally my "ad" is tagged onto the bottom of my messages. Some seem to think their business is more important than mine or any other and never fail to advertise with every message. I find this offensive. My business is at least as correct to the period as any other and I would appreciate a little effort to make this list as non-commercial as possible. The opinions expressed above are entirely my own. John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:41:32 EDT From: MIA3WOLVES Subject: Re: MtMan-List: war paint You are correct. I misread the original post as ASL. Red Hawk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 05:47:57 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On and off topic Yeah---what you said!! Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: John Kramer To: hist_text@xmission.com Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 1:29 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: On and off topic >Censorship is an ugly disease of the mind. > >In my most recent mail download two questions were raised and the authors >pleaded forgiveness for going off topic. Why are they so gun shy? > >Both questions were completely ON TOPIC and entirely appropriate to the list >discussion. I also find no problem with seeking the broad expertise on this >list to answer occasional questions clearly outside our period of interest; >like one concerning a Civil War period gun. These things should not require >apology. > >Primitive Archery is a valid topic for discussion. More valid than >anti-perspirant used as anti-poison ivy. As valid as any discussion of >clothing, knives and guns. > >The original mountain men learned from the native inhabitants the ways of the >mountains and plains, some intermarried and lived with various tribes. A bow >may not shoot as far, but, it can shoot a lot faster than a flintlock. To >think it doesn't belong here is just plain wrong. I can believe at least a >few >of the mountain men carried a bow and arrows around with them long before I >can >believe they hauled a teepee, unless they also packed a squaw. > >Indian Sign Language, American Sign Language, Any Sign Language. I have been >corrected before on this but, I still maintain there are many similarities in >the various versions of "sign". What I have come to believe is once you learn >any one form, it becomes possible to work out communication with any other >form; at least easier than between different spoken languages. > >One of the requirements to advance to the Hiveranno degree in AMM is to learn >Indian Sign Language. The topic is appropriate. > >What we need to pay closer attention to is our subject headings. If we change >the topic we should change the subject heading; i.e., neither of the above >have >anything to do with war paint. > >My rant: >This forum should not be used as a medium for personal business >advertising. I >try to remember to change my "standard" sig file to the one I use for the >list, >before I hit the send button. Sometimes I forget so occasionally my "ad" is >tagged onto the bottom of my messages. Some seem to think their business is >more important than mine or any other and never fail to advertise with every >message. I find this offensive. My business is at least as correct to the >period as any other and I would appreciate a little effort to make this >list as >non-commercial as possible. > >The opinions expressed above are entirely my own. > >John... > >Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. >john > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:02:27 EDT From: LODGEPOLE Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Just tossing out an idea, would like some feedback In a message dated 98-05-26 01:32:55 EDT, you write: << I know the St. Vrain descendants would be enthusiastic, the trick is, how to convince the NPS? Thanks for any advice or comment - Emma >> Was at Bent's Fort a couple years ago and had a discussion about whether or not they had any rendezvous there. The answer was a flat "NO". TThe people at the fort are apparantly of a mind set to say yes, but the Park Service apparantly will under NO circumstances allow a rendezvous on the grounds of the fort. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: 26 May 98 14:33:57 +0000 From: Phyllis and Don Keas Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Just tossing out an idea, would like ..some feed Call Greg Holt or Carl Zimmerman or Craig Moore at the Fort and see what they require as far as your idea goes. Wouldn't hurt to ask-all they can do is say no or come up with so many NPS hoops that it would not be worth the trouble. But, at least these guys will try anyway. Don Keas EmmaPeel2 wrote: >Have spent the past 11 months researching the St. Vrain family, and ran into a >few Bent, Dubreil, and Derbigny descendants along the way. The idea was >casually dropped about having a reuinion for the descendants of those who >worked at and trapped for Bents FOrt. Many still live in the area. Just out >of curiosity - I wonder how this could be done, and if anyone would seriously >be interested. Since the MM are what MADE Bents Fort, it would be unthinkable >not to have a rendezvous of sorts. Any suggestions? Or is this a ridiculous >idea? Thoughts welcome. I know the St. Vrain descendants would be >enthusiastic, the trick is, how to convince the NPS? Thanks for any advice or >comment - Emma > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > >Received: from lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7] by mail.market1.com > (SMTPD32-4.03) id A58F31C0290; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:39:27 MDT >Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yeCKx-0002w9-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:31:47 -0600 >Received: from (imo27.mx.aol.com) [198.81.17.71] > by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 0yeCKu-0002r9-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:31:44 -0600 >Received: from EmmaPeel2@aol.com > by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id IJFEa15145 > for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 01:30:25 -0400 (EDT) >From: EmmaPeel2 >Message-ID: <9994084b.356a5372@aol.com> >Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:30:25 EDT >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: MtMan-List: Just tossing out an idea, would like some feedback >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >X-UIDL: 891663511 >Status: U > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:16:45 -0700 From: Dennis Fisher Subject: MtMan-List: Indian vs. Europeans I my humble opinion, there is to much talking and not enough listening going on in this subject. A bunch of my relatives (the Hochstetlers) were massacred by Indians on September 19th and 20th 1757. They were devotely religious and would not bear arms against the Indians even when their life were threatened. The Indians killed and scalped these unarmed farmers (men, women, and children). If I was one for holding a grudge, I guess I have a good a reason as anyone. But I'm not. What happened, happened and there is nothing any of us can do to change the past. Just visit the South, they still hold some very strong opinions on the Civil War down there. But we can do something about the future. This is a good opportunity to open up a dialogue and discuss some of these long held belief and feelings. Although it is pretty easy to know what a person "said" in an email message it is really difficult figure out what he "meant". There is no voice inflection, no body language, no facial expression, no nothing. Nothing except the words. So I would caution not to be to quick to take offense of what someone posts until you find out what he really was trying to say. I think most people on the list are sincere and are not trying to strart a flame war. The face paint thread was interesting and a valid topic for discussion. As a European, I'm interested in learning all I can about the Indian way of thinking and doing things. The more I learn the more I understand where they are coming from. So I ask those of Indian decent to have a little patience with me and help me to understand. One thing we seem to have in common is a distrust of the federal government. If the Indians feel they are the only ones that have been screwed by the government, have I got news for them. I would like to hear (from the Indian delegation on the list) some of the misconceptions that they feel the Europeans have about their culture. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:42:33 -0700 From: Dennis Fisher Subject: MtMan-List: Bow and Arrows Does anyone know how far back the bow and arrow goes here in North America? It would seems from the archaeological record of arrowheads that they must go back quite a ways but I don't recall ever seeing any dated info on bows that have been found in ancient burials. Would the points on atlatl (sp) darts be any different that those used on bow launched arrows? Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:10:42 -0700 From: j2hearts@juno.com (john c funk,jr) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Primitive archery Matt, Do you subscribe to "Primitive Archer" mag.? John _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 07:15:15 -0700 From: j2hearts@juno.com (john c funk,jr) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Information Requested on Davenport Rifle Jerry, There is a Davenport, Conn. I used to live there as a kid. John Funk _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:27:14 -0400 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Just tossing out an idea, would like some feedback > > > Was at Bent's Fort a couple years ago and had a discussion about whether or > not they had any rendezvous there. That is strange...I remember some big events in the early fall at Bents Fort. What ever happened to those. They started around 1980. Linda Holley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:01:54 -0500 From: Glenn Darilek Subject: MtMan-List: Indian Sign Language Ted A Hart asked if anyone still used American Indian Sign Language. A Lakota medicine man who attended one of the Fritztown Free Trappers rendezvous said he and the Lakota use some ISL in some of their ceremonies. Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:05:04 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Recipe You wrote: Hi; I am new at this,I hope I am doing this right? I am looking for any recipes on Pemmican. Thanks Little Larry Little Larry of the Patuxents? Larry is that you? Your most humble servant, Scott Allen http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:03:32 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Poison Ivy A good strong lye soap drys it up in no time flat. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:03:32 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Poison Ivy A good strong lye soap drys it up in no time flat. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:20:20 EDT From: LODGEPOLE Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Just tossing out an idea, would like some feedback In a message dated 98-05-26 20:16:56 EDT, you write: << > Was at Bent's Fort a couple years ago and had a discussion about whether or > not they had any rendezvous there. That is strange...I remember some big events in the early fall at Bents Fort. What ever happened to those. They started around 1980. Linda Holley >> Dunno Linda, just know what they told me when I was there. Longshot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:08:02 -0700 From: Longtrail Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Indian Sign Language >Ted A Hart asked if anyone still used American Indian Sign Language. > >A Lakota medicine man who attended one of the Fritztown Free Trappers >rendezvous said he and the Lakota use some ISL in some of their >ceremonies. > >Iron Burner Concerning Native American Sign Language. There is a group of people in the Portland area who, weekly, hold a meeting, and have for 10 + years, to learn the Native American Sign language. Some of the people are AMM while I believe, others are not. To attend a rendezvous with them is like being from another country as they often communicate via sigh language. NOT that they are conceided in their knowletdge. If you've taken time to learn then you will know what theyare saying, if not then, you might feel"left out".. I heard them discussing a time when some of them were visiting a location where there were many Native Americans, as my friends used the traditional sign language, the "elders" recognised what they were saying and were amazed to see the "old ways" used. Especially by Whites. So there are people who take the time and effort to learn the Native American sign language and use it at rendezvous as it would have been used during the Fur Trade Era by Native Americans. Longtrail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:56:20 EDT From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Indian Sign Language Hello Iron Burner...been a while since we last spoke :) I've lost my e-mail addresses yours and also a few others in particular...please e-mail me your e-mail addresses. Am putting them on paper this time around. Ted p.s. Iron Burner...we need to talk later and thanks for the info I'll ask more later on this. Wish I had attended the rendezvous! But having a dog that will go into a funk and refuse to eat for three days without me is an disadvantage espically if one doesn't have money to board the dog and the dog is a wonderfully trained dog. On Tue, 26 May 1998 18:01:54 -0500 Glenn Darilek writes: >Ted A Hart asked if anyone still used American Indian Sign Language. > >A Lakota medicine man who attended one of the Fritztown Free Trappers >rendezvous said he and the Lakota use some ISL in some of their >ceremonies. > >Iron Burner > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:29:42 -0400 From: seanbear Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name I was under the assumption that "camp names" were also given to the Mountain Men... and NO, I do not have documentation on that... just from reading numerous books... whether they were fictional or biographical, or what.. Regardless, it is fun to hear how some people got their "camp names". Correct me if I am wrong, but is not Buckskinnin synonomous with Mountain Man?? For those of you who are interested, I got my name "Seanbear" from my wife... Sean is my email handle, and Vicki thinks I am a "teddy bear"... so... she started calling me Seanbear... Fortunately, it was NOT from a goof at a Ronny... Yet..... Seanbear - -----Original Message----- From: David Mullen To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Date: Saturday, May 23, 1998 10:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain name >P.J. > >Sorry to have taken the thread too seriously. I was under the assumption >that this was a history discussion list, not a buckskinner forum. Next >time I will try and stay within the parameters of comtemporary >buckskinning mores. > >It terms of it being fun, I personally find an intelligent discussion of >history as being one heck of a good time. Unfortunately, seems many >people would rather discuss opinion, with no substantiation in >historical documentation, as opposed to fact. > >YMHOS, > >David Mullen > >RR1LA wrote: >> >> seems maybe some folks have gotten a bit too serious about this thread. we >> try and have some fun here, too. the names i been hearin all these years are >> 'camp names', like people have been gettin' for screwin' up for centuries, >> even in summer camps, day camps, school teams, etc. its all part of the fun >> folks. PJ > >-- >David Mullen >202 Mesa Verde >Jemez Springs, NM 87025 >505.829.3212 >email:dmullen@jemez.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:08:21 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Information Requested on Davenport Rifle Have been thru my books and other reference material and do not have anything on Davenport. Suggest you contact Lee Good At the Davis Museum in Clarimore oklahoma. he has a database with almost anything imaginable--they also have one of the best collections of muzzle loading rifles in the united states--I dont thank they have a web site yet but contact him and i am sure he can help. just call information and ask for the museum. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Mon, 25 May 1998 15:53:59 -0700 (PDT) zaslow writes: >I realize this is not our time period (so let me appologize if it is >offensive to anyone) but my sister in Florida asked me this question >the >other day and it is the fastest and easiest way I could think of to >get the >information. > >She has a friend who wants to buy a Davenport Rifle and get as much >information on the manufacturer as he can. It was manufactured during >the >Civil War and I would imagine it was for the North, since it was made >in >either Rhode Island or Connecticut. Apparently, the person who wants >this >information is related to the original owner of the Davenport Arms >Company. >Since my interest is in the American Fur Trade, I have never heard of >this >manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had ever heard of it and >could >provide some information or knew of one for sale. > >If you want to respond off line, my E-Mail address is: >zaz@pacificnet.net > >I would appreciate any help. > >Thanks again, > >Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488 > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:46:28 -0700 From: Gary Bell Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Indian Sign Language Longtrail, I live in the Portland OR area and would LOVE to find a sign language group to learn and practice with! I suspect that this topic will interest others on the list, and have replied there instead of offline. I have a bunch of Boy Scouts that would also be interested in learning of such an opportunity. If you would like to reply offline catch me at: micropt@gte.net otherwise, perhaps you might agree with me that there are some possibilities for other list subscribers to connect with this opportunity and you would be willing to post a means of connecting with this group online. On a related but separate topic I find myself wondering about list contributors who might be my neighbors, or who might be in some place I am going to visit; and I certainly recall reading a lot of traffic about who lives where. My question / challenge: Is there any way we can post our locations and means of contacting us on the list or the website, without violating the individual's needs to be private and safe from SPAM and other email varmints? This appeals to me as a new thread on our list, or perhaps Dean might already have solved the issue and I simply didn't figure it out yet! Night Heron (formerly Gary Bell, NoName and various other Mountain and put-down names) Longtrail wrote: > >Ted A Hart asked if anyone still used American Indian Sign Language. > > > >A Lakota medicine man who attended one of the Fritztown Free Trappers > >rendezvous said he and the Lakota use some ISL in some of their > >ceremonies. > > > >Iron Burner > > Concerning Native American Sign Language. There is a group of people in > the Portland area who, weekly, hold a meeting, and have for 10 + years, to > learn the Native American Sign language. Some of the people are AMM while > I believe, others are not. To attend a rendezvous with them is like being > from another country as they often communicate via sigh language. NOT that > they are conceided in their knowletdge. If you've taken time to learn then > you will know what theyare saying, if not then, you might feel"left out".. > I heard them discussing a time when some of them were visiting a location > where there were many Native Americans, as my friends used the traditional > sign language, the "elders" recognised what they were saying and were > amazed to see the "old ways" used. Especially by Whites. So there are > people who take the time and effort to learn the Native American sign > language and use it at rendezvous as it would have been used during the Fur > Trade Era by Native Americans. Longtrail ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #73 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.