Mr. Simmons,

Try getting ahold of David Wescott in Rexburg, Idaho. (20= 8-359-2900) Former owner of the Boulder Outdoor Survival School (BOS= S) and now his new company "Backtracks LLC". Dave is the organ= izer of the Rabbitstick and Wintercount Primitive Skills Gatherings that = happen in September (in Idaho) and Feburary (in Arizona) respectively.&nb= sp; Dave has a number of sources and networks that he can get you in touc= h with. He is also the Editor for the Society of Primitive Tec= hnology and just finished the spring issue of the Bulletin of Primiti= ve Technology. This publication (2 per year) is a go= od read and filled with skill how-tos. Some of the AMM Members will= remember Dave as my quest at the Nationals at the Gros Venture in 1= 999. He took a lot of photos, some of which can be seen in a b= ook that he published, entitled Camping in the Old Style. Dave h= as been a personal friend of mine for over 20 years now and is always wil= ling to share and learn from others.

Hope this helps,

YMHOS

Mike Powell

Upper Snake River Plain

Idaho

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From: DONALD R SIMMONS

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Subject: MtMan-List: Gourds and Hawks

Been lurking awhile.
Can folks suggest a "reasonable" pr= ice source
for gourds - bowls, dippers and canteen size.

and to= mahawks.??
Blades for the hawks would be enough -
I can make a hand= le.
I would like functional use before authentic manufacture
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- ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1D787.5DE91E00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:36:26 -0500 From: "CrookedHand" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C1D78B.4EBCB320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank... I have cooked Buffalo a few different ways...=20 1. all the fat cut off (what little there is) on a roast, rubbed down = with pure lard and salt and allspice rubbed into it. Spit over a pecan = fire til it is 150 degrees in the center.. baste with beef broth every = 10 minutes..... takes 4 hours ofr a 3 lb roast.. while that is going = on.. catch some of the juice in a tin cup,, cut off a chunk from each = end and sear it in the bottom of a cast iron pot hangin ove the fire.. = rub it all over the inside of the pot.. add presoaked black eye peas and = cover with a LOT of water.. add.. 1/3 bottle of worchestershire = sauce..... cook til beans are pasty.. stir only once after about 3 = hours..... can take 7 hours if you want ... 2. Get a good coal bed goin.. get your BIG dutch oven pre-heated.. cut 3 = lbs of buff into 2" chunks... throw a stick of butter into the oven.. = toss yer buff in there and move it around til itis seared and brown (do = NOT snitch!)... add 1 cup water, 1 cup of Zinfandel white wine and 2 = cups rice..... cover... place in a pre-dug hole with lots of good coals = in it and cover with more coals..... go shoot for about 1/2 a day.... = come stir it and add your favorite salty seasoning (I like Cavenders = seasoning) in the stirring.. say a table spoon........ cover and shoot = for 4 more hours..... when you come back to camp.. take time to make = some good corn bread or biscuits.. and eat hard. 3.... cut 1 lb of buff into 1" squares.... boil for 20 minutes.... then = sear in a hot dutch oven.... cut up carrots adn taters (small chunks of = each and stack in the middle.. add 3 cornish rock hens to the pot = standing them on end on the edges.... add the buff meat..... add 1 can = of chicken broth and cover.. go shoot all day.... at 8 hours uyou can = come eat the best meal you ever cooked.....=20 Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699 http://www.alltel.net/~chand/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes I have been reviewing Montana-wyoming Buffalo company's buffalo meat, = and want to order some. My question to the list. What are your = favorite meals using buffalo meat. I would like some one pot possibly = two item dishes. I am thinking buffalo stew meat and wild rice and = possible some stew, would love you hear your favorite dishes. Frank=20 Odessa,Texas=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C1D78B.4EBCB320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Frank... I have cooked Buffalo a few = different=20 ways...

1. all the fat cut off (what little = there is) on a=20 roast, rubbed down with pure lard and salt and allspice rubbed into it. = Spit=20 over a pecan fire til it is 150 degrees in the center.. baste with beef = broth=20 every 10 minutes..... takes 4 hours ofr a 3 lb roast.. while that is = going on..=20 catch some of the juice in a tin cup,, cut off a chunk from each end and = sear it=20 in the bottom of a cast iron pot hangin ove the fire.. rub it all over = the=20 inside of the pot.. add presoaked black eye peas and cover with a LOT of = water..=20 add.. 1/3 bottle of worchestershire sauce..... cook til beans are = pasty.. stir=20 only once after about 3 hours..... can take 7 hours if you want = ...

2. Get a good coal bed goin.. get your = BIG dutch=20 oven pre-heated.. cut 3 lbs of buff into 2" chunks... throw a stick of = butter=20 into the oven.. toss yer buff in there and move it around til itis = seared and=20 brown (do NOT snitch!)... add 1 cup water, 1 cup of Zinfandel white wine = and 2=20 cups rice..... cover... place in a pre-dug hole with lots of good coals = in it=20 and cover with more coals..... go shoot for about 1/2 a day.... come = stir it and=20 add your favorite salty seasoning (I like Cavenders seasoning) in the = stirring..=20 say a table spoon........ cover and shoot for 4 more hours..... when you = come=20 back to camp.. take time to make some good corn bread or biscuits.. and = eat=20 hard.

3.... cut 1 lb of buff into 1" = squares.... boil for=20 20 minutes.... then sear in a hot dutch oven.... cut up carrots adn = taters=20 (small chunks of each and stack in the middle.. add 3 cornish rock hens = to the=20 pot standing them on end on the edges.... add the buff meat..... add 1 = can of=20 chicken broth and cover.. go shoot all day.... at 8 hours uyou can come = eat the=20 best meal you ever cooked.....

Mark "CrookedHand" Toigo
http://www.geociti= es.com/Yosemite/Rapids/8699
http://www.alltel.net/~chand/<= /DIV>

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Subject: MtMan-List: buffalo=20 recipes

I have been reviewing Montana-wyoming Buffalo = company's=20 buffalo meat, and want to order some. My question to the=20 list. What are your favorite meals using buffalo meat. I = would=20 like some one pot possibly two item dishes. I am thinking = buffalo stew=20 meat and wild rice and possible some stew, would love you = hear=20 your favorite dishes.

Frank
Odessa,Texas=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0138_01C1D78B.4EBCB320-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:34:47 -0700 From: "Angela Gottfred" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses >>Arugh! Before you know it you boys are going to be talking about shooting Azimuth's and such. You're beginning to remind me of all the fun I've had on Land Navigation ranges with my fellow soldiers.<< Since you mentioned it, here's a website for the folks who think a compass is *not* enough! :-) http://www.northwestjournal.ca/III1118.htm Period Navigation, by J. Gottfred. In which the author describes the general principles of navigation c 1800, so that the beginner may undertake to study the art. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred Editor, Northwest Journal - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:55:40 -0600 From: "FrankF" Subject: MtMan-List: traps Beaverboy Ye said, in part, I am about to start trapping along a creek near a house I just bought. What, on a trap, wears out? What should one look for? Thanks. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:54:21 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes - --part1_a6.23b35e42.29d747bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank one of my most favorite meals using buffalo meat is a two item meal that needs no pot. First to get the most out of this meal you need the right environment to set the mood and ambiance for this meal. For it is the most important ingredient in this recipe. You want to be in the back country some where miles away from any roads preferably in the pines with your ponies picked out on some tall grass. The meat is roasted on a stick or just throwed on the coals to bake. The second item for this meal is Camas baked in a pit add some good friends to share this meal with and WAUGH! yo've got a meal fit for a King. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot - --part1_a6.23b35e42.29d747bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank
one of my most favorite meals using buffalo meat is a two item meal that needs no pot. First to get the most out of this meal you need the right environment to set the mood and ambiance for this meal. For it is the most important ingredient in this recipe. You want to be in the back country some where miles away from any roads preferably in the pines with your ponies picked out on some tall grass.
The meat is roasted on a stick or just throwed on the coals to bake. The second item for this meal is Camas baked in a pit add some good friends to share this meal with and WAUGH! yo've got a meal fit for a King.
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot

- --part1_a6.23b35e42.29d747bd_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:50:00 -0600 From: "FrankF" Subject: MtMan-List: Liver Eatin's name Dorman Ye said, OK, don't leave us hanging. What was his name? And was the first John or Jon? Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:04:41 EST From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes - --part1_2f.24e90621.29d88d99_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2002 11:57:07 PM Central Standard Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes: > Crazy Cyot I am buying some meat for that purpose, in two weeks a buddy and I are going to rendezvous and I would love to have buffalo cooked over the fire, cant wait to try it frank - --part1_2f.24e90621.29d88d99_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2002 11:57:07 PM Central Standard Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes:

Crazy Cyot

I am buying some meat for that purpose, in two weeks a buddy and I are going to rendezvous and I would love to have buffalo cooked over the fire, cant wait to try it

frank - --part1_2f.24e90621.29d88d99_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:16:14 -0700 From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: > Frank > one of my most favorite meals using buffalo meat is a two item meal > that needs no pot. First to get the most out of this meal you need the > right environment to set the mood and ambiance for this meal. For it > is the most important ingredient in this recipe. You want to be in the > back country some where miles away from any roads preferably in the > pines with your ponies picked out on some tall grass. > The meat is roasted on a stick or just throwed on the coals to bake. > The second item for this meal is Camas baked in a pit add some good > friends to share this meal with and WAUGH! yo've got a meal fit for a > King. > See ya on the trail > Crazy Cyot > When err we goin? I could even bring some coffee fer dessert. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 03:36:33 -0500 From: "traprjon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps Ho the list, Frank, maybe I can help some with your question. I look for too much rust, such that the metal is obviously thin and weakened, I look at where the jaws come together-are they square and flush with each other, or is something bent, I look at where the jaws bend and go through the holes in the frame-are they in good shape or been bent too many times or are they thin and weak from excessive rust or neglect. I look at the other moving parts like the pan and dog to see that the attachment of the pan to the trap is ok (nut and bolt or humped cross frame), I look at the swivel and chain again looking for weak or thin spots. I don't worry about the pan sitting level when the trap is set, that is a matter of adjustment. I also don't worry about weak springs, they can be strengthened (except for jump and undersprings) so long as nothing is broken or thin and weak. If the price is right and a part needs replacing, you can buy new dogs, pans, jaws, chains, swivels and springs, or use parts from one or two traps to fix the rest up. Generally, I would prefer to buy (and place more value on) used traps in good condition (that have been well taken care of) that have been dyed and waxed, rather than new traps that need to have the machine oil removed, trap adjusted, dyed and waxed before you can use it. If you can, (at a convention or supply house) set the same size new trap so you can compare the spring strength to the used traps you are looking at. If you need to know how to strengthen the springs, or adjust traps, let me know, and I will be glad to tell you. I own 300 plus traps, and I check each one (that has been used since I last adjusted it), for proper adjustment, in the shed before taking any of them out to set. Once you get trapping hard, you hate to have to stop and take part of a day to adjust some traps you didn't think you were going to use this season, so, I make sure they are all ready to go before every season. I hope this helps answer your question. Sincerely, John Enos TrapRJohn traprjon@attbi.com **************************************************************** "The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty, is that it was lost because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand, while yet there was time." -- Justice George Sutherland, 1938 **************************************************************** "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is Force. And Force, like fire, is a Dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington - ----- Original Message ----- From: "FrankF" To: "hist_text-digest" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: MtMan-List: traps > Beaverboy > Ye said, in part, buying worn out traps.> > I am about to start trapping along a creek near a house I just bought. > What, on a trap, wears out? What should one look for? > Thanks. > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, Arkansas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:58:43 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: From: > Thanks > Found Marbles... lord them knives have some powerful memory's > Ordering couple lapel compasses..... > Yep always use big traps on beaver... Although the connibears > do excellent for pole sets...Just never get eyr hand caught in one.. > another item I have is the ole Duluth Canoe Pack with trumpline.. > they still make them...for treking.. far better than most found now... > Did a search on ebay on Marbles knives.... lots and lots there > A canvas tent, marbles or Arocrombie & Fitch cooking gear and equipment > a pound of Cains Coffee and some saltport.. Ah now that a good > setting for camp..Dont forget the Hudson Bay Axe in "woods" style. And > one knows to bring the reflector oven "I have 4 patterns for different > ones. And they work excellent. > as to being a ole die hard...... well I guess so.... made a major part > of my income for many a year doing it...and full time... > And in the garage hangs my 1949 Oldtown Guides Model wood and canvas > Canoe grin... ah them times shine indeed > Windwalker > You are a true trapper I can tell, New guys probably never heard of half of what your talking about. I made a reflector oven at work last winter. Works good. I just set 7 sets for beaver today on the Mighty Upper Missouri river. I hope for at least two beaver tomorrow. The ice has been very late in coming off this spring. I try not to trap beaver under the ice as it is brutal work. I should still manage, I hope, to catch 10-15 beaver this spring before our season ends April 15. Conibears are great traps but a leg hold trap has never rubbed a pelt like a weak conibear can. Also legholds can be used in a lot more spots but thats just my opinion. I never pass up a good conibear spot, ever!!! I'll keep you posted on my beaver catch. YMOS, Beaverboy > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 3/29/02 at 6:07 PM owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com wrote: > >>Windwalker >> If you have 14 dozen #114 Newhouse traps in good shape, your >> sitting >>on a lot of money. I personally would never sell a good trap. >> I use #4's double long springs almost exclusively on beaver and >> otter. >>I wish I had every Blake & Lamb #4 I could get my hands on. Victor #4's >>are just fine on beaver and otter. I would never use any trap smaller >>than a #4 on beaver or otter. >> Marble's compasses and knives are being made again. Check >>marblearms.com Original Marble's knive's, compasses, match safes etc >>can still be purchased but can be pricey. Only a few die hard trappers >>know about Marble's stuff. Different trapping era. >> Beaverboy. >> >>---------------------- >>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:45:05 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: traps > Beaverboy > Ye said, in part, buying worn out traps.> > I am about to start trapping along a creek near a house I just > bought. > What, on a trap, wears out? What should one look for? > Thanks. > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, Arkansas > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Frank, The main thing to check on a trap is of course the spring or springs. The springs are the heart of any trap. One must check the strength of the spring before purchasing. Also where the hardened spring steel of the spring contacts the soft mild steel of the jaws, check for too much wear on the soft mild steel. Also always make sure every link of the trap chain is in good condition. If the trap and spring are sound a bad chain can easily be replaced. Always use lots of swivels on your trap chains too. Most mondern traps can last 20-60? years with proper use. But some people sell used traps that went through a house or barn fire which ruins the temper of the spring. Also traps can remain set for a long time during a long trapping season which can weaken the spring. The same reason we never leave our flintlocks on full cock for weeks on end, the spring would weaken. Traps however must be set and remain in the set position for up to months in a given season. Over 10 or 15 years the springs can or will weaken. Different makes have better springs. Blake & Lamb and Newhouse have no dought the strongest springs in the business. I have some newhouses that are 50 years old that most men could barely set today. I recommend you contact the Fish & Duck boys in your state or your state trapping association for information on trapper education classes if you have never trapped before. It will save you a ton of grieve and missed catches. I had to learn on my own 25 years ago and I don't recommend that. We as Trappers today have a proud heritage and need to do the best and most humane job we can. Our future as free trappers depends on it. Good luck and you should be setting some steel bt next winter. YMOS, Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:16:21 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes - --part1_23.1bdbe23b.29d9d3c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn How does this coming week end sound? We might not be eating quit as well but Ken's got a spot for a camp that's got a lot of Beaver sign. Now Beaver ain't as fine a meat as Buff but it will keep your grub bag from a rubbin on your back bone. Come this time of year, it was regular fair for those boys who lived back then and ain't bad doins. The Camas won't be ready tell June but the Indian potato is up and we should be able to find enough to fill in with the beaver if your up for it. Crazy - --part1_23.1bdbe23b.29d9d3c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wynn

How does this coming week end sound? We might not be eating quit as well but Ken's got a spot for a camp that's got a lot of Beaver sign. Now Beaver ain't as fine a meat as Buff but it will keep your grub bag from a rubbin on your back bone. Come this time of year, it was regular fair for those boys who lived back then and ain't bad doins. The Camas won't be ready tell June but the Indian potato is up and we should be able to find enough to fill in with the beaver if your up for it.
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