From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1039 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, June 6 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1039 In this issue: -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Chehalis River 1824 -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: National jpg's -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Chehalis River 1824 -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: virus on AMM list -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Gingerbread Recipe -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: Shoshone beadwork -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: Shoshone beadwork -牋牋牋 RE: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: stone wine??? -牋牋牋 Re: MtMan-List: stone wine??? -牋牋牋 MtMan-List: 20th Annual Fort Union Rendezvous! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:00:28 -0700 From: "Daniel L. "Concho" Smith" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chehalis River 1824 Hey Magpie, Had a similar experience with Buck Conner a few years ago, I got stuck in the same position as you with his kind help, it took like three washings to get my breeches clean from the sticky mud - good luck. Oh we where south of Ft. Osage on the Missouri, then again on the Mississippi, man they are big rivers. Your friends long boat would work good on that water. Keep in touch. Concho [HRD] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Check out our "Trade Blanket" at: Historical Research & Development http://hrd7.tripod.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "WANISHI"(WAN-EE-SHEEN) Lenape for THANK YOU. "ANISCHIK"(is how the Moravians saw it) THANK YOU. On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:19:41 SWcushing wrote: >Man, oh man, do them Hudson Bay boys know how to have a good time! I'm just >back from a longboat expedition up the Chehalis River with Mister Work and >Mister McKay in search of an easy water route to the Frasier. Two and a half >days at the oar, and wading through knee deep sucking mud with a blazing sun >and swarms of mosquitos was about as much fun as a guy could stand! > >I signed on as the Chief Scout for the trip which meant I'd be the first one >out of the boat, into the mud, and search for hostiles in the briars, >stinging nettles, and devils club.... All for 10 pounds, and an extra ration >of rhum! The Doc sez my hands should relax form the claw position to normal >in a few days, but the cuts, blisters, and bruises will take awhile longer. > >I'm amazed at what the HBCo did in the land I live in and have a great >respect for how they did it. > >Here's a couple jpg's of the trip..... I'm that handsome silver haired scout >in the center..... > >lb.jpg >http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/lb.jpg > >lbme.jpg >http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/lbme.jpg > >Ymos, >Magpie > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > _______________________________________________________ WIN a first class trip to Hawaii. Live like the King of Rock and Roll on the big Island. Enter Now! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:30:55 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: National jpg's Here's a couple more shots at Nationals... Here's a few Poison River boys.... you reckon it's the water that makes em look kinda wild? Hell Chas ain't even in that Party and he's lookin a mite spooky.... poison.jpg http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/poison.jpg I'm thinking most these fellas are from California... at least they're comfortable in the heat. calif.jpg http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/calif.jpg Here's a picture of the bar early in the morning and the boys lineing up to wait for it to open... thebar.jpg http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/thebar.jpg And finally a jpg of my camp with Bead... home (and shade), is where you spread yer canvas. The fella in the center has come on some starvin times and still carrying a good load..... camp.jpg http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/camp.jpg Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:33:29 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chehalis River 1824 Who is the guy in the second jpeg - the one holding the line and standing up. He looks like a fellow I seen in the "Into the Woods" video!! Uncanny resemblance! Looks like a tonne of fun! - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:27:01 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list Hello boys, Apparently we've lost the AMM private list to a replicating virus. I've had over 500 "Forrest Mouse" post on my mail and like most, it is screwing up the works. I don;t know what motivates these scum.... Shortly, I think Dean will pull the plug and clean it out. In the mean time, for those that would like to contact me, please do it direct. Thanks, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:41:09 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list Magpie Which list do you speak of? Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/4/02 at 9:27 PM SWcushing@aol.com wrote: >Hello boys, >Apparently we've lost the AMM private list to a replicating virus. I've >had >over 500 "Forrest Mouse" post on my mail and like most, it is screwing up >the >works. I don;t know what motivates these scum.... >Shortly, I think Dean will pull the plug and clean it out. In the mean >time, >for those that would like to contact me, please do it direct. > >Thanks, >Magpie > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:45:24 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list In a message dated 6/4/02 6:41:42 PM, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: << Which list do you speak of? Windwalker >> The AMM has a private list for members only (I'm one) and Dean just got it fixed. Ugly little bug...... Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:50:49 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list If it was that Klex bug, yep its nasty But you know alot of people ask for Virus problems by not running a virus program and scanning all incoming and outgoing mail, Its bad so many get such things and pass them on from lack of proper Virus protection and updates.. Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/4/02 at 9:45 PM SWcushing@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/4/02 6:41:42 PM, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: > ><< Which list do you speak of? >Windwalker > >> > >The AMM has a private list for members only (I'm one) and Dean just got it= >fixed. Ugly little bug...... > >Magpie > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:19:32 -0600 From: Todd Glover Subject: MtMan-List: Gingerbread Recipe This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_345e.7495.28a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few of you asked me for the recipe for the gingerbread I shared at the rendezvous. This comes from a friend of mine Rex Ward via the historicaltrekking.com web site. I find if you let the pieces dry a little , they are easily carried without becoming crumbs. Another suggestion I read was to substitute honey for some of the molasses if you aren't fond of molasses Here tis: Combine 2.5 cups of flour, 1 tsp of ginger, 1/2 tsp of cinnamon, and 1 tsp of baking soda in a bowl. In a separate bowl, combine 1 cup of molasses, 1/3 cup of butter, and 1/3 cup of boiling water. Stir this mixture into the dry ingredients. Knead dough until it is stiff. Chill thoroughly for about fifteen minutes. Roll out on a floured board. You can either bake it in one piece, or cut it into cookie sizes. Then bake at 350 degrees for 10-12 minutes. Be sure to start checking them at about ten minutes. They will cook more evenly if you poke holes in them with a fork or tooth pick before you put them in the oven. Enjoy! "Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784 http://poisonriverparty.homestead.com/TetonTodd.html - ----__JNP_000_345e.7495.28a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A few of you asked me for the recipe for the gingerbread I shared at = the=20 rendezvous. This comes from a friend of mine Rex Ward via the=20 historicaltrekking.com web site. I find if you let the pieces dry a little = ,=20 they are easily carried without becoming crumbs. Another suggestion I read = was=20 to substitute honey for some of the molasses if you aren't fond of=20 molasses

Here tis:

Combine 2.5 cups of flour, 1 tsp of ginger, 1/2 tsp of cinnamon, and 1= tsp=20 of baking soda in a bowl. In a separate bowl, combine 1 cup of molasses, 1/= 3 cup=20 of butter, and 1/3 cup of boiling water. Stir this mixture into the dry=20 ingredients.
Knead dough until it is stiff. Chill thoroughly for about=20 fifteen minutes. Roll out on a floured board. You can either bake it in one= =20 piece, or cut it into cookie sizes. Then bake at 350 degrees for 10-12 = minutes.=20 Be sure to start checking them
at about ten minutes. They will cook = more=20 evenly if you poke holes in them with a fork or tooth pick before you put = them=20 in the oven. Enjoy!

"Teton" Todd D. Glover #1784
http://= poisonriverparty.homestead.com/TetonTodd.html

- ----__JNP_000_345e.7495.28a5-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:39:25 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: MtMan-List: Shoshone beadwork When did the shoshone begin doing floral work and were they influence by the blackfoot, crow or another tribe. Did they not move northward from the southern comache branch? Is the early rose, a rendition of the evening primrose flower? Was there much floral design prior to 1900? Did the wind river shoshone designs differ from the Lemhi Shoshone? thanks in advance joe - -- Please visit our web site @ www.absarokawesterndesign.com Call us for spring discounts on hair on deer and elk skins Great selection of elk and buffalo rawhide in stock - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:16:02 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shoshone beadwork In a message dated 6/4/02 10:39:15 PM, jbrandl@wyoming.com writes: Shoshone: << Did they not move northward from the southern comache branch?>> They are part of a large family that is sometimes refered to as the Uto, Azteci, Shoshonean group. They are loosely related to, obviously, Aztecs, Utes, Comanches, Pahutes, Goshutes, & Bannocks. Today it is hard to follow for many families that are registered as Goshutes are actually straight Shoshone . . . and other complications. Old people say they have "always been here" but archaeological evidence shows they have only been in the Great Basin about 700 years. They followed the Fremont but there is a space between "last of the Fremont" and "first of the Shoshone" and there is no evidence of any Fremont culture being picked up in early Shoshone. Pahutes also claim to have co-exhisted with the Fremont but there is the same gap and no co-mingling of cultures. I have some early Shoshone beadwork that has none of the floral design. It also has no evidence of two-needle or other bead techniques used in floral beading. I will check but it seems to be post-reservation. Trouble is with checking with living Shoshones - even pure-blood - they will give you a definite answer though they really don't know. There is one highly-skilled/informed man I know on the Sho-Ban reservation who can answer your question with certainty. (I asked him who made some old gauntlets once - about 1979 - and he answered with: "do you want to know the tribe or the person who made them because it was either Mrs. . . . or Mrs. . . . .) Trouble is he is a spiritual leader and travels all over the country. I will try . . . Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:37:52 -0500 From: Todd Subject: RE: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list Hate going off topic, but this is something that can hit home. =20 Most of these virii hit people who use Outlook or Outlook Express. = Both apps make you extremely vulnerable, just cause of how they work. = IF you use them (like me, although I have Eudora as well), DO NOT use = the preview pane. DO NOT put people in an Address Book. If you aren't = expecting an attachment from someone, DON'T open it. I make it a = general rule, that if you are sending me an attachment, you warn me = first, or I delete the email unread. Absolutley DO use some kind of = virus scanning software that works WITH your email. I use outlook, = but I've never gotten a virus, mostly cause I always have anti-virus = software running. Slows down my connection, but not near so bad as a = virus will. This new little bugger, it reads your address book, = replicates itself, and sends itself to everyone in your address book, = using an address in your book.=20 Again, I apologize profusely for going off topic. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of WindWalker > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:51 PM > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: virus on AMM list >=20 >=20 > If it was that Klex bug, yep its nasty > But you know alot of people ask for Virus problems > by not running a virus program and scanning > all incoming and outgoing mail, > Its bad so many get such things and pass them on from > lack of proper Virus protection and updates.. > Windwalker >=20 >=20 > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >=20 > On 6/4/02 at 9:45 PM SWcushing@aol.com wrote: >=20 > >In a message dated 6/4/02 6:41:42 PM, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes: > > > ><< Which list do you speak of? > >Windwalker > > >> > > > >The AMM has a private list for members only (I'm one) and Dean=20 > just got it=20 > >fixed. Ugly little bug...... > > > >Magpie > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >=20 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:00:53 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: stone wine??? In several verses of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home' there is a line that says "We'll all drink stone wine..." I suspect that refers to water but I can't fine "stone wine" or "stonewine" in either a modern dictionary or in the 1828 dictionary. Does anybody have a better idea what that means? I guess I don't have enough to worry about, do I? Lanney example: In eighteen hundred and sixty-one, Hurrah! Hurrah! That was when the war begun, Hurrah! Hurrah! In eighteen hundred and sixty-two, Both sides were falling to, And we'll all drink stone wine When Johnny comes marching home. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:32:40 -0400 From: "WindWalker" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: stone wine??? Wine made in stone earthen ware or crocks Windwalker *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/6/02 at 2:00 PM Lanney Ratcliff wrote: >In several verses of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home' there is a line >that >says "We'll all drink stone wine..." I suspect that refers to water but I >can't fine "stone wine" or "stonewine" in either a modern dictionary or in >the 1828 dictionary. Does anybody have a better idea what that means? >I guess I don't have enough to worry about, do I? >Lanney > > > > >example: > In eighteen hundred and sixty-one, > Hurrah! Hurrah! > That was when the war begun, > Hurrah! Hurrah! > In eighteen hundred and sixty-two, > Both sides were falling to, > And we'll all drink stone wine > When Johnny comes marching home. >Lanney Ratcliff > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:58:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: MtMan-List: 20th Annual Fort Union Rendezvous! June 13-16 marks the 20th Annual Fort Union Rendezvous! This is the perfect excuse to travel out west and see all the great historical sites on the way! North Dakota is just loaded with historical fur trade sites too. One of my favorites is the site of Fort Clark. Though nothing is left of the fort it made reading the Journal of Fort Clark much more enjoyable. Also on the way are The Knife River Indian Villages, Fort Mandan, Fort Abraham Lincoln (where Custer left from on his ill fated march out west). Good and cheap camping is all along the way. The Theodore Roosevelt Nat抣 Park offers great camping near the historical Little Missouri River in some of the most beautiful country of the west. Fort Union offers free camping to buckskinners outside the fort walls as long as primitive gear and clothing are used. Tin tipi camping is also available nearby. Tourons are not allowed in after business hours as with most other rendezvous. A few traders always come but the main draw of the rendezvous is the fort itself. This is a million dollar replica of the original fort on the exact location. One of the most important forts on the Upper Missouri River. No shooting is done as it is a National Park but there are plenty of demonstrators to see. Saturday night there is a informal outside dance in the fort court yard. Be sure to read Charles Larpenteur抯 narrative 揊orty years a fur trader on the Upper Missouri� to get a feel for this great fort. To locate Fort Union just find where the Missouri River crosses the border of Montana and North Dakota. The fort is in North Dakota its visitor parking lot is in Montana! I抣l be skinning the beaver so track me down and say HI. Try to make it, you won抰 be sorry. American Fur Company Forever! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1039 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.