From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1088 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, September 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1088 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) -       Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) -       MtMan-List: Old Time Recipes and Remedies -       MtMan-List: Hiveranno ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:30:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) > Lanney, I think we all remember that clip of the Griz slamming into the station wagon. It was the Craighead twins of the Jackson Hole area. But whats wrong with that clip? Its a real grizzly, slamming into a real vehicle. Perhaps people should think all grizzlies will slam into their vehicles if they drive too close to them. I don't think the griz footage can even be compared to the L&C film. Perhaps I'm missing your point. Please excuse my Grizzly humor. How do you make a regular gun a good Griz gun? Take off the front sight, that way it doesn't hurt so bad when the Griz shoves it up your rearend! Tell that one to people heading back into Griz country. Hikers in Yellowstone and Glacier Park sometimes wear large steel bells (like Indian dancers wear) to warn Grizzlies that they are coming. How do you tell black bear scat from Grizzly scat? Grizzly bear scat is the one with the bear bells in it! We've had Grizzlies eating corn spilled during train wrecks that has fermented and the Grizzlies were getting drunk! How'd you like to run into a drunk Grizzly! Now that would be a real bear hug! L&C were pretty cocky when they first heard of the Grizzly bear from the Indians. They felt their rifles were much more superior than the indians bow, arrows and indifferent fuzees. After a few run-ins with the "White Bear" Lewis wrote something like, The men's curiosity towards the white bear is satisfied and that he'd rather fight two indians than one White Bear. He would know as he did both. Got to love them Grizzlies! Go Griz! (Our University of Montana football team and mascot!) Sincerely, Beaverboy >John Allen wrote: > A bad, bad piece of work by an outfit that should and could have done > much better. > You are exactly right, John, the National Geographic piece about L&C > shot so wide of the mark to be laughable if it were not considered > authentic (based on the reputation of National Geographic) by so many > folks who don't know enough about the subject to understand the > problems. I think a larger problem is that this thing will be shown > routinely for God knows how long and might eventually become widely > accepted as some sort of benchmark piece about L&C. It has already > been shown several times and I'm afraid it will take on a life of it's > own.....like "It's a Wonderful Life" or something. Just this year I > saw another screening of the piece about the twin brothers who did a > lot of research on Grizzlies back in the '50's.....you remember the > Griz attacking that 1957 Ford station wagon? I saw that when I was in > Junior High and it still shows up. I hope it is accurate because it > has been shown repeatedly for over forty years. I'm afraid the L&C > film will have similar longevity. Gak!! > > 3:18am and can't sleep in Texas > Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:06:29 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) > Lanney, I think we all remember that clip of the Griz slamming into the station wagon. It was the Craighead twins of the Jackson Hole area. But whats wrong with that clip? Its a real grizzly, slamming into a real vehicle. Perhaps people should think all grizzlies will slam into their vehicles if they drive too close to them. I don't think the griz footage can even be compared to the L&C film. Perhaps I'm missing your point. Beav I didn't say, or mean to imply, that there was anything wrong with the Craighead clip. My point is that I'm afraid that the L&C show might achieve similar longevity as has the film about the Craighead's work. The Craighead piece has endured for almost half a century because of its merits. The L&C show is a lightweight and doesn't deserve similar icon status, at least in my opinion. However, I bet that the History Channel will show it at least twice a year forever...with each showing giving it more gravitas. That would be a version of the Big Lie politics of the 90's....tell a Big Lie often enough and eventually people will believe it. Another thing, that Griz didn't attack the Ford because the Craighead's drove too close to it, rather it woke up too soon after the Craigheads darted it to take measurements and came up plenty mad. That was one peeved bear and I am glad I wasn't in the station wagon, as the fight was no better than a draw from what I saw. Lanney .....I am referring to the full length History Channel show about L&C, not the IMAX version, which I have not seen. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:58:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C film & Griz Footage(Go Griz!) >>Lanney, Now I understand what you meant. When you questioned the Griz clip accuracy I thought you didn't like it. I saw the L&C special that had guys in it that were wearing candy stripe capotes as they crossed the pass. They also interviewed Karsminski. It wasn't the best special but it wasn't the worse. I tell people to read the journals and follow the L&C Trail. Castor Garcon > > Beav > I didn't say, or mean to imply, that there was anything wrong with the > Craighead clip. My point is that I'm afraid that the L&C show might > achieve similar longevity as has the film about the Craighead's work. > The Craighead piece has endured for almost half a century because of > its merits. The L&C show is a lightweight and doesn't deserve similar > icon status, at least in my opinion. However, I bet that the History > Channel will show it at least twice a year forever...with each showing > giving it more gravitas. That would be a version of the Big Lie > politics of the 90's....tell a Big Lie often enough and eventually > people will believe it. > Another thing, that Griz didn't attack the Ford because the Craighead's > drove too close to it, rather it woke up too soon after the Craigheads > darted it to take measurements and came up plenty mad. That was one > peeved bear and I am glad I wasn't in the station wagon, as the fight > was no better than a draw from what I saw. > Lanney > .....I am referring to the full length History Channel show about L&C, > not the IMAX version, which I have not seen. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:46:11 -0400 From: manbear Subject: MtMan-List: Old Time Recipes and Remedies Hi All, I found this page of Old Time Recipes and Remedies while surfing the web and thought that some of you might be interested in taking a look. Enjoy Manbear http://waltonfeed.com/old/mama/index.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:56:05 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Hiveranno I was looking through some old writings of mine and found this from years ago. Perhaps some of you will relate. THE HIVERANNO There is something grossly romantic about being well mounted with an expertly prepared pack animal in tow. It brings up mystical images of an old hiveranno working his way up some long forgotten trail, living by his wits, and guided by his lust for treasures. After trying to fill his saddle, I have great respect for that man in history. Horse packing is arduous work. Care must be taken to keep your stock and packs balanced and in good condition. Also, when on the trail two or more animals require continual concern to keep out of trouble. He not only lived with these experiences I can share, but also lived with the pressing danger of losing his hair to a savages scalp pole. I am not the type who expends lots of energy trying to look impressive, but a feeling of unadulterated pride fills my soul when someone on the trail looks admiringly on my carefully tied knots and well mannered mounts. A ghost from the past; just riding through. WY - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1088 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.