From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1098 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1098 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold -       Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold -       Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold -       Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold -       MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? -       Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? -       MtMan-List:Gun control -       MtMan-List: Gun Control -       Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? -       Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? -       Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? -       Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold -       MtMan-List: Ribbon Quote ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:03:35 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C27873.C5BA7AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who you callin' "HO"??? D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lanney Ratcliff=20 To: AMM=20 Cc: History List=20 Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: MtMan-List: need a bag mold Ho the list My neighbor and AMM brother Steve Maples is looking for a bag mold in = .648 to .650. Anybody got one for sale or trade? Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C27873.C5BA7AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From:=20 Lanney Ratcliff
To: AMM
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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 = 7:50=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: need a bag = mold

Ho the list
My neighbor and AMM = brother Steve=20 Maples is looking for a bag mold in .648 to .650.  Anybody got = one for=20 sale or trade?
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C27873.C5BA7AA0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:21:59 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold Log Cabin Shop has them..... Can't find a web address for them.... Out of Lodi. OH. Regards, Ad - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:13:58 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold Thanks Ad I looked it up and found this address for their online catalog: http://www.logcabinshop.com/catalog/catmain.html Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Addison Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold > Log Cabin Shop has them..... Can't find a web address for them.... Out > of Lodi. OH. > > Regards, > > Ad > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:55:34 -0700 From: Alan Avery Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold "...Log Cabin Shop has them..... Can't find a web address for them.... Out of Lodi. OH..." Try: www.logcabinshop.com they show the Rapine bag molds, (which are good'uns) at $59.95. I have several that I would be willing to part with, but not that calibre. Black Knife Ni H'eibhneas gan Chlainn Domhnaill "Per Mare - Per Terras" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe Subject: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? Thought there are some Native Americans on these list that might be interested. Sorry if it is not a propper listing. grn http://www.indianz.com/News/show.asp?ID=2002/09/26/trust > Bush proposal to take 'unclaimed' Indian land THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 2002 The Bush administration has drafted legislation to take "unclaimed" land belonging to individual Indian beneficiaries whom the Department of Interior cannot locate. In an effort to reduce the complex division of the trust land base and reduce management boondoggles, Secretary Gale Norton can claim "abandoned" Indian property under the bill. Although a key duty of a trustee is to keep current information about beneficiaries, the proposal would allow the government to skirt this requirement. For example, Individual Indian Money (IIM) account holders who don't respond to a public notice of unclaimed land would lose their rights.But Norton can forego an announcement if the department believes the land is worth less than $50, according to a provision in the draft. The bill places the burden on beneficiaries despite the fact that in some cases, the department doesn't have a full name, address or other key data for land owners. In quarterly reports to a federal court overseeing the debacle, officials admit they will never be able to locate every individual Indian. "It is unrealistic to assume that, at any given time, there would be zero account holders whose whereabouts are unknown given the volume of accounts under management," the most recent report stated. At least 63,000 American Indians and Alaska Natives who have an interest in 11 million acres of land would be affected by the proposal. Additional owners are also impacted due to the increased fractionation of the Indian estate. The proposal is still in the early stages of development but at a meeting today in Washington, D.C., department officials plan to float the idea as an amendment to a bill pending in Congress. Copies have already been distributed to tribal leaders and Indian advocates.Keith Harper, an attorney for the non-profit NativeAmerican Rights Fund,called the bill a disaster. His group represents 500,000 American Indians whose billion-dollar trust is at the heart of the largest class action in government history. "This is unconstitutional on its face," he said. "This is the most clear demonstration of bad faith yet." A department spokesperson could not comment on the draft. "I don't know anything about it," said Dan DuBray. He noted that land management issues will be addressed at the meeting of the trust reform task force. Fractionation results when Indian owners pass on property to their descendants. The land gets divided up among dozens and dozens of heirs, increasing the cost and management of IIM accounts. Efforts to manage the problem, however, have not been successful. Indian beneficiaries have gone all the way to the Supreme Court to protest the unconstitutional taking of their land. They secured two key victories that forced the government to scrap land laws. The issue is touchy because it reminds some of a destructive Indian policy.Assistant Secretary Neal McCaleb in January addressed the issue with tribal leaders and said he doesn't want to "terminate" Indian rights. "I used the t-word and I wish I hadn't," he said. "That's not what I'm advocating." Under a Bureau of Indian Affairs program to reduce fractionation, Indian owners can voluntarily have their land transferred to a tribe. But their IIM accounts are closed and, under the Bush administration's historical accounting plan, these owners are not a top priority. Indian leaders already voiced opposition to another trust reform bill designed to address the same issue. The legislation, S.1340, limits Indian allotments to tribal members, leading to fears of a reduction in trust holdings. Today's meeting will discuss possible amendments. Adding to the tension is a growing sentiment that the views of individual Indians are often overlooked in favor of tribal leaders who might not share the same priorities. In another court report, Larry Scrivner of the BIA's > Office of Trust Responsibilities, said "internal problems are being > created between the Indian tribe and the individual owners" > by land fractionation programs "and may be detrimental to the individual Indian owners." "I don't think anyone has asked the IIM > beneficiaries," said Paul Homan, a former Interior official who was tapped to reform the trust but left after his powers were limited by the Clinton administration. "The only people that are representing them today in the federal government seems to be Judge [Royce] Lamberth," he added,referring to the federal judge overseeing the IIM lawsuit. > Relevant Documents: Draft of Unclaimed Property Proposal | S.1340: A > bill to amend the Indian Land Consolidation Act Copyright ) Indianz.Com 2000-2002. ************* Pamela J. Kingfisher Indigenous Women's Network 13621 FM 2769 Austin, TX 78726 512-258-3880 office 512-288-6003 direct 512-258-1858 fax ===== George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:11:37 +0000 From: "scott mcmahon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? Bush is just following in the footsteps of two Texas heroes... Andy "By God" Jackson and Maribeau B. Lamar. Dios, Libertad y Tejas Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." General Ethan Allen Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:16:47 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List:Gun control Thought you might like this Roadkill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:55 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Control - --part1_187.fc2a0ca.2ae5ace3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -------Original Message------- This is a pretty cool comeback......... >> > >> > Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta >> > love this one. >> > >> > Listening to the radio the other day, I heard one of >> > the all-time best >> > comeback lines in my life. >> > >> > Note: This is an exact >> > replication of >> > National >> > Public Radio (NPR) interview between a fem*le >> > broadcaster,and US Army >> > General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a B*y Scout >> > Troop visiting >> > his >> > military installation. >> > >> > FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things >> > are you going to >> > teach these young b*ys when they visit your base? >> > >> > GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, >> > canoeing, >> > archery, >> > and shooting. >> > >> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Shooting? That's a bit >> > irresponsible, isn't it? >> > >> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly >> > supervised on >> > the >> > rifle range. >> > >> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a >> > terribly dangerous >> > activity to be teaching children? >> > >> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching >> > them proper >> > rifle >> > discipline before they even touch a firearm. >> > >> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to >> > become violent >> > killers. >> > >> > GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a >> > prostitute, but you're >> > not one, are you? >> > >> > The radio went silent and the interview ended. And all >> > I could think >> > was, >> > GO ARMY! Roadkill - --part1_187.fc2a0ca.2ae5ace3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -------Original Message-------


This is a pretty cool comeback.........


>> >
>> > Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta
>> > love this one.
>> >
>> > Listening to the radio the other day, I heard one of
>> > the all-time best
>> > comeback lines in my life.
>> >
>> > Note: This is an exact
>> > replication of
>> > National
>> > Public Radio (NPR) interview between a fem*le
>> > broadcaster,and US Army
>> > General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a B*y Scout
>> > Troop visiting
>> > his
>> > military installation.
>> >
>> > FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things
>> > are you going to
>> > teach these young b*ys when they visit your base?
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing,
>> > canoeing,
>> > archery,
>> > and shooting.
>> >
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Shooting? That's a bit
>> > irresponsible, isn't it?
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly
>> > supervised on
>> > the
>> > rifle range.
>> >
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a
>> > terribly dangerous
>> > activity to be teaching children?
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching
>> > them proper
>> > rifle
>> > discipline before they even touch a firearm.
>> >
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to
>> > become violent
>> > killers.
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a
>> > prostitute, but you're
>> > not one, are you?
>> >
>> > The radio went silent and the interview ended. And all
>> > I could think
>> > was,
>> > GO ARMY!


Roadkill - --part1_187.fc2a0ca.2ae5ace3_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:42:22 -0400 From: Wahkahchim@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? Whatis the Southwest Frontiers Mounted Ranging Company? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:46:54 +0000 From: "scott mcmahon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? Whatis the Southwest Frontiers Mounted Ranging Company? We're a living history organization that portrays the Texas Rangers under Jack Hays' command during the 1840's(Republic of Texas and Mexican Wars). We mainly do period scouts on private land in South Texas along the Nueces strip and the South end of the Hill Country. Dios, Libertad y Tejas Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co. "Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them." General Ethan Allen Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:32:58 EDT From: Wahkahchim@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ??? 
Sounds like fun!

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Date: 21 Oct 2002 21:07:19 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas 
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold

I could use one in 54 caliber,  Don Keas

On Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:50 PM, Lanney Ratcliff  wrote:
>
>Ho the list
>My neighbor and AMM brother Steve Maples is looking for a bag
>mold in .648 to .650.=A0 Anybody got one for sale or trade?
>=A0
>Lanney Ratcliff
>lanneyratcliff@charter.net
>______________________________________________________________
>Aux Aliments du Pays
>


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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:49:40 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" 
Subject: MtMan-List: Ribbon Quote

I blamed N Whitman for a quote when I asked about ribbon last week.  it was
actually from the German Doctor.  Here it is if anybody is interested.
WY

F A Wislizenas Journey to the Rocky Mountains 1939

Pg 22

The next morning (June 14th), we left camp in good humor, for the crotchety
master of human crotchets, I mean the weather, smiled on us; and the
vicinity of Fort Laramie, but sixteen miles distant, promised us a speedy
meeting with human beings. Before we reached the fort, we encountered the
first "pale faces" we had seen since our departure from Missouri. They were
French Canadians, clad half Indian fashion in leather, and scurrying along
on their ponies, bedight with bells and gay ribbons, as if intent to storm
some battery. Old acquaintances greeted each other, question piled on
question; and each briefly told, in Canadian patois, the adventures he had
been through. Meanwhile we came in view of the fort.





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