From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1127 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, December 22 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1127 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns -       MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey -       MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey -       Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey -       Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey -       Re: MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey -       Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns & small kettles? -       MtMan-List: FW: (off topic) Ban screwdrivers -       Re: MtMan-List: FW: (off topic) Ban screwdrivers -       MtMan-List: Yee Ha, Celebrate! -       MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds -       Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds -       Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds -       Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds -       MtMan-List: Happy Holidays -       Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds -       Re: MtMan-List: Help with blacksmith artifact -       Re: MtMan-List: Help with blacksmith artifact ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:32:32 -0600 From: Monte Holder Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns thIS may be stupid to ask, but it won't be the first time I've been accused of that. What did they do with their powder? Carry several horns, and fill up any empties with water? I know it has been discussed before here that the trappers scorned more or less canteens, but this just caught my attention and got me to wondering. WOuld it have been difficult to get the horn dried out before putting powder back? Monte Holder - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:37:53 -0500 From: slikrickabn@netscape.net (rick dixon) Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey Yo the camp! Thought I'd get in on the discussion. I shoot a T/C renegade in .50, which I have de-modernized, and now shoots and looks good. Also have a .50 Kentucky pistol that also shoots good. On the percussion/flint survey, I would like to go to flint, but being left-handed and of limited funds, the percussion works well for me. Don't want all that fire going off in my face! Maybeso later I can sell a few more plews and get me a lefty flint. Rick __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:02:40 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey I have several ml guns. My smoothie is a Brown Bess built from a Navy Arms kit almost 30 years ago. I have two, what I call 'half breed' or 'poor man's' target rifles. One is a Douglas Premium barreled on a TC 'Hawken' stock and fitted with Redfield Olympic sights. The other is similar but on a TC Seneca stock. Neither of these has been shot in over 30 years. For many years my one and only r'vous and hunting rifle was fine Ray Miller built Rev. period transition flinter in .45 cal. That is now retired except for speaking engagements and non-shooting reenactments. Currently my #1 rifle is a Mike "Hawk" Pierce built Jaeger in .54 cal., flinter, of course. And a fine piece it is. I hope soon to talk or coerce Hawk into building me a Fowler smoothie. And, laying in the workshop is a recently picked up in trade, CVA 'Ky' flinter in .50 cal. waiting for some tune-up and refinishing. It will then be traded off again after I can say the lock actually works. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:02:25 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns Everybody is making the assumption that the horns mentioned in the Jed Smith story were powder horns and they may well have been since the episode was an emergency. In such times one does whatever is necessary. However, I have seen many a drinking horn in the gear of 20th (& 21st) century mountaineers. I don't recall ever reading about any "drinking horns"....only "cups" which are probably generally considered by the reader to be metal cups. Can anybody cite drinking horns in any journal entries or trade manifests? Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monte Holder" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns > thIS may be stupid to ask, but it won't be the first time I've been accused of > that. What did they do with their powder? Carry several horns, and fill up > any empties with water? I know it has been discussed before here that the > trappers scorned more or less canteens, but this just caught my attention and > got me to wondering. WOuld it have been difficult to get the horn dried out > before putting powder back? > > Monte Holder > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:42:31 -0800 From: "kc16" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey My first front loader was a .50cal Flintlock Hatfield. Beautiful gun and shoots straighter than I can. But, I have been able to take deer at up to 150 yards with it. My second gun was a .62cal swivel breech from Leonard Day. One smooth and one rifled. It's a great gun....but I haven't spent enough time with it to get it to shoot worth a damn. Just haven't figured out the load recipe yet. My next gun will be a fowler...either English or American in 20 gauge. I believe that to be the best overall gun for the rocky mountains. It will also be the first gun that I make from a kit...hopefully before the winter is out. All of my long guns are flinters. I'm left handed, and wouldn't shoot a left handed flinter as I don't believe that the flash going off in a left direction would help me to see any better. I like the right handed lock as a leftie. In fact, my swivel breech has right handed locks and the butt is left handed with the cheek piece. It works great. When I build my fowler, it will be in the standard right hand configuration also. I think the flash going off in a right hand direction leaves it easier for me to see....but...to each his own. The one gun that I have that I think is the most unique, is a scratch made bronzed barrel .62cal screw barrel pistol made by a good friend in the NW Co Party. His name is LaBisquee....I'm sure some of you know him. It's a very good pillow gun so I can scare off Yogi and BooBoo when I'm out on the ground, in case they want to steal my pick-a-nick basket. It's got enough poop to scare off just about anything...or kill it if it's close enough. Have a good holiday ya'll..... Curtis "Blood" Krouse - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick dixon" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 5:37 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey > Yo the camp! > > Thought I'd get in on the discussion. I shoot a T/C renegade in .50, which I have de-modernized, and now shoots and looks good. Also have a .50 Kentucky pistol that also shoots good. On the percussion/flint survey, I would like to go to flint, but being left-handed and of limited funds, the percussion works well for me. Don't want all that fire going off in my face! Maybeso later I can sell a few more plews and get me a lefty flint. > > Rick > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:01:03 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifle/smoothie survey michael branson pard--- did you know that danny caywood is making copies of the crocket rifle---he's been on this project for about 2 years and has all the casting done and the pattern for the stock he is pantigraphing the stocks then has left a lot of wood to do the hand carving ---he is going to make 250 of them limited edition---they are a bit pricy but look real nice - ---saw his master and s/n 1 of the gun a couple of weeks ago when i was hunting and stopped by dan's shop---he lives 12 miles from my home town---contact me offlist if you have any questions Hawk Michael Pierce HAWKEYE ENTERPRIZES 854 Glenfield Dr Home of the "Ol Grizz" (C) product line Palm Harbor Florida 34684 & Phone: 727-771-1815 The "Arkansas Underhammer Rifles" E-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web-site Http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:35:19 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle/smoothie survey pard--- my smoothy is a chief's rifle in the nw style assembled by pappy horn in about 1960 ---I gave him the parts at friendship one spring and then he delivered it to me the next ---its one heck of a shooter--- its 54 cal and the barrel is custom made by beumiller --barrel is 44" long--made to shoot a .535 round ball and a .o15/.019 pillow ticking patch with 90 gr of FFFg and primed with only a wisper of powder in the pan---It shoots 1 oz of shot behind 90 gr FFFg with a hard card and a coshen wod behind any kind of shot---for doves it likes 7 1/2 and for turkeys/squirrels it likes a mix of #4 & #6 equal equal or 5's and 6's equal equal ----at 40 yds it will hold all the shot within about 30 inches and a turkey isnt safe shooting at a turkey head will put at least 10 pellits in the head area with round ball it will hold well under 6" groops at 50 yds and the same at 75 it has no rear sight but has a kisser button to know you have proper head placement on the stock---it thumps real good with shot but is real plesent to shoot with round ball---the rear tang screw is slightly below the plain of the barrel and gives you your windage direction to the front sight---stock has a 5/8 cast and drop that makes the gun come up and hang naturally---i call it a 28 gage but its not exactly that---wods are made from a cutter made for the rifle that cuts the wods about .002 larger than bore size hard cards are made from old military backing target plates soft wods are made from celetex celing tiles about 1/2" thick ---hard cards are 1 /4 " thick and the over the shot wods are made out of cardboard from old legal tablets or if target shooting from old file folders---the toutch hole in it is big and if brought out a couple more thousands would prime the gun while loading if the frizzen was closed---I always load with the frizzen open---it likes both 3f and 4 f prime and there is no noticable difference is ignition time with either--- pappy used the gun the year he delivered it to me and won the trade gun match at friendship---I took 3d place with it and had never shot the gun befor except to do a fouling shot at a tree---pappy put all the markings of a nw gun on it and also signed the top of the barrel---have enjoyed the gun for many years killed a lot of turkeys and several deer---when the hammer falls it builds a fire---used 3/4 inch flints---can put punk under the frizzen and drop the hammer and it will set it aglow on the first drop of the hammer---good for fire making if you know the trick---no prime needed in the pan to set the punk to smoldering--- for hunting i soak the celetex wods in a combination of bear grease and bees wax or crisco and bees wax mixed 50/50 heated then set the wods in the mix---for target shooting i soak the celetex wods in grizz and they are damp to the feel ---i keep them in a small tin and squirt the grizz on them then when i use them squeeze out all the moisture---have shot as much as 30 times and dont have to swab the bore using the grizz---when using the hunting load i swab ever shot with a tow screw and tow but have shot 4 or 5 shots befor relly needing to clean and the load went down smooth---for round ball i use 2 different lubes---grizz for target shooting and a combination of jabola oil and bees wax for hunting---with all the lubes used they shoot the same for both hunting and or target shooting---the lube made by one of the members of this list works good also its called"just good lube" made of the oil and the bees wax---its a fine hunting load--- only thing i have left out is the toutch hole does not have a liner in it but is champhered good and has a .062 dia hole hole is centered on the pan and level with the bottom of the frizzen the champher goes to the bottom of the pan and to almost the top of the frizzen it is water tight - --- the bottom of the pan is polished bright ---I have hunted in the rain many times. the lock is extremely fast and you can turn the gun upside down and it will fire almost as reliable as holding it the regular way---if i keep the flint sharp i have never had a misfire when the hammer falls it shoots i normally get about 30 to 40 shots from a flint befor i change them or have to nap them to get them sharp---i always use black english flints that i can hold up to the light and see consistant color in then--- i like a pretty thin flint but it also shoots hand napped chirt and relly likes petrified wood that i found out west the red stuff--- well i have chinned enough hope this is the info you were looking for--- hawk Michael Pierce HAWKEYE ENTERPRIZES 854 Glenfield Dr Home of the "Ol Grizz" (C) product line Palm Harbor Florida 34684 & Phone: 727-771-1815 The "Arkansas Underhammer Rifles" E-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web-site Http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/mpierce ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:45:26 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Horns & small kettles? The only referance to drinking horns I know of is in a painting by Miller. two guys mounted and a topless squaw giving one a drink. It looks more like a horn than a cup from the distance. Millers notes are also a source for the idea that canteens were not popular. Still amazes me they would go into a desert the size of that without water. I have not noticed referances to filling horns before. Mr Holder, I am glad you pointed out your find. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:23:34 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: MtMan-List: FW: (off topic) Ban screwdrivers
 
 
Brothers, We were warned, first guns...then...?   Check this out <s>  http://www.banscrewdrivers.com/  Our freedoms are at risk (only half kidding)   Randy
 
 
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- ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 07:32:21 -0700 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: FW: (off topic) Ban screwdrivers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C2A8C3.18FF0350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Randy, Someone had their tongue pretty firmly in cheek when they wrote the ban = screwdriver website. I got a good chuckle out of it . . . and it would = be really humorous if it weren't so damned close to the truth. Just joined the forum/email chat. Haven't participated much yet, but = enjoy reading all of the emails I recieve. Also have got a lot of good = information. Thanks, Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randal Bublitz=20 To: hist_text=20 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: MtMan-List: FW: (off topic) Ban screwdrivers Brothers, We were warned, first guns...then...? Check this out = http://www.banscrewdrivers.com/ Our freedoms are at risk (only half = kidding) Randy Randal Bublitz rjbublitz@earthlink.net Freedom is Not Free ---------------------- hist_text list info: = http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C2A8C3.18FF0350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Randy,
Someone had their tongue pretty firmly = in cheek=20 when they wrote the ban screwdriver website.  I got a good chuckle = out of=20 it . . . and it would be really humorous if it weren't so damned close = to the=20 truth.
Just joined the forum/email chat.  = Haven't=20 participated much yet, but enjoy reading all of the emails I = recieve.  Also=20 have got a lot of good information.
Thanks,  Ben
----- Original Message -----
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Brothers, We were = warned, first=20 guns...then...?   Check this out <s>  http://www.banscrewdrivers.com/<= /A> =20 Our freedoms are at risk (only half kidding)   Randy
 
 
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---------------------- hist_text list = info: http://www.xm= ission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C2A8C3.18FF0350-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:12:55 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Yee Ha, Celebrate! Yee Ha!!!!!!! The day has come that we in the far north have been waiting for. The shortest day of the year! From here on the days start getting longer! If you think I'm happy, your right! The people in Alaska are the happiest, there will be a lot of parties up there tonight. I bet the mountain men were glad to see this day come too, if they even knew what day it was, that is. The 6 degree temperature last night probably made the night even longer for my wife's dogs. A nice hot meal of cooked beaver hams will warm them up. The coyotes will be moving tonight! Happy winter solstice everyone!! beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:15:27 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds Dear List, Does anyone know where to buy good Mandan Corn seeds? I've already been on Google and found only Yahoo shopping selling it so far. Any other sources would be greatly appreciated. bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:03:51 -0700 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds Beaverboy, I've seen them for sale at the Museum of the Fur Trade and I also think Fort Mandan. I'm not sure what you are getting when you buy the packet of Mandan corn. The Mandans and Hidatsa grew nine distinct varieties of corn. Most of our references to their vegetable varieties and cultivation methods comes from the book: "Buffalo Bird Woman's Garden" originally published in 1917 from interviews with an Hidatsa lady (Buffalo Bird Woman) born in 1839 and still cultivating and growing vegetables in the traditional way. I think there is also an old Smithsonian Institute Report or Ethnographic Report from the old Bureau of American Ethnology discussing gardening. There may also be more information in the National Park Service Anthropological Papers, as they did the surveys of the old Like-a-Fish-Hook village and Fort Berthold site(s). I would research some of the gardening companies like, Seed Savers or Heirloom Seeds, I got Hopi Corn from them some years ago. There are a number of others that specialize in saving and propagating old time seeds. I'm partial to the Hickman Pole Bean myself. I also got some corn from another "Indian" Seed source, but can't find the information. I would also recommend contacting Roy Hanson (Crazy Coyote) and his wife Jill (Stargazer). You can probably contact them through their website: http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm. They have been growing an Upper Missouri River Garden, and they talk about it on the website. I think you'll be able to contact them through the site. Contact me off-line and I'll give you Gary Anderson's e-mail, he's at the Fort Mandan Interpretive Center. You might be more interested in growing some of their tobacco. Good Luck, Bead Shooter - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds > Dear List, > Does anyone know where to buy good Mandan Corn seeds? I've already > been on Google and found only Yahoo shopping selling it so far. > Any other sources would be greatly appreciated. > bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:14:14 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds beadshooter, I got my last corn seeds from the Museum of the Fur Trade and they did well. Did you see them there in October? If so I'll order some more. I'll e-mail Gary Anderson too. I have his address. I check Heirloom before I put up the post and they only had 2 types and one was a ornamental. Thanks for the help. bb > Beaverboy, > > I've seen them for sale at the Museum of the Fur Trade and I also think > Fort Mandan. I'm not sure what you are getting when you buy the packet > of Mandan corn. The Mandans and Hidatsa grew nine distinct varieties of > corn. Most of our references to their vegetable varieties and > cultivation methods comes from the book: "Buffalo Bird Woman's Garden" > originally published in 1917 from interviews with an Hidatsa lady > (Buffalo Bird Woman) born in 1839 and still cultivating and growing > vegetables in the traditional way. > > I think there is also an old Smithsonian Institute Report or > Ethnographic Report from the old Bureau of American Ethnology > discussing gardening. There may also be more information in the > National Park Service Anthropological Papers, as they did the surveys > of the old Like-a-Fish-Hook village and Fort Berthold site(s). > > I would research some of the gardening companies like, Seed Savers or > Heirloom Seeds, I got Hopi Corn from them some years ago. There are a > number of others that specialize in saving and propagating old time > seeds. I'm partial to the Hickman Pole Bean myself. I also got some > corn from another "Indian" Seed source, but can't find the information. > > I would also recommend contacting Roy Hanson (Crazy Coyote) and his > wife Jill (Stargazer). You can probably contact them through their > website: http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm. They have been > growing an Upper Missouri River Garden, and they talk about it on the > website. I think you'll be able to contact them through the site. > > Contact me off-line and I'll give you Gary Anderson's e-mail, he's at > the Fort Mandan Interpretive Center. You might be more interested in > growing some of their tobacco. > > Good Luck, > Bead Shooter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds > > >> Dear List, >> Does anyone know where to buy good Mandan Corn seeds? I've already >> been on Google and found only Yahoo shopping selling it so far. >> Any other sources would be greatly appreciated. >> bb > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:31:17 -0700 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds I saw the seeds there in October and almost bought some. If Mandan still has them Gary will be able to fix you up. Bead Shooter - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds > beadshooter, > I got my last corn seeds from the Museum of the Fur Trade and they did > well. Did you see them there in October? If so I'll order some more. I'll > e-mail Gary Anderson too. I have his address. > I check Heirloom before I put up the post and they only had 2 types > and one was a ornamental. > Thanks for the help. > bb > > > > Beaverboy, > > > > I've seen them for sale at the Museum of the Fur Trade and I also think > > Fort Mandan. I'm not sure what you are getting when you buy the packet > > of Mandan corn. The Mandans and Hidatsa grew nine distinct varieties of > > corn. Most of our references to their vegetable varieties and > > cultivation methods comes from the book: "Buffalo Bird Woman's Garden" > > originally published in 1917 from interviews with an Hidatsa lady > > (Buffalo Bird Woman) born in 1839 and still cultivating and growing > > vegetables in the traditional way. > > > > I think there is also an old Smithsonian Institute Report or > > Ethnographic Report from the old Bureau of American Ethnology > > discussing gardening. There may also be more information in the > > National Park Service Anthropological Papers, as they did the surveys > > of the old Like-a-Fish-Hook village and Fort Berthold site(s). > > > > I would research some of the gardening companies like, Seed Savers or > > Heirloom Seeds, I got Hopi Corn from them some years ago. There are a > > number of others that specialize in saving and propagating old time > > seeds. I'm partial to the Hickman Pole Bean myself. I also got some > > corn from another "Indian" Seed source, but can't find the information. > > > > I would also recommend contacting Roy Hanson (Crazy Coyote) and his > > wife Jill (Stargazer). You can probably contact them through their > > website: http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm. They have been > > growing an Upper Missouri River Garden, and they talk about it on the > > website. I think you'll be able to contact them through the site. > > > > Contact me off-line and I'll give you Gary Anderson's e-mail, he's at > > the Fort Mandan Interpretive Center. You might be more interested in > > growing some of their tobacco. > > > > Good Luck, > > Bead Shooter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:15 PM > > Subject: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds > > > > > >> Dear List, > >> Does anyone know where to buy good Mandan Corn seeds? I've already > >> been on Google and found only Yahoo shopping selling it so far. > >> Any other sources would be greatly appreciated. > >> bb > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:57:39 -0500 From: manbear Subject: MtMan-List: Happy Holidays - --------------8331D85950C8FE5F936672C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Please click on the following link to receive a Holiday Greeting from the Lockmillers: Jim "Manbear" and Sara "Shebear" (Please give the page time to load and then scroll all the way to the bottom.) 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Hi,
Please click on the following link to receive a Holiday Greeting from the Lockmillers: Jim "Manbear" and Sara "Shebear"
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 Happy Holidays - --------------8331D85950C8FE5F936672C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:52:03 EST From: NaugaMok@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mandan Corn Seeds - --part1_4d.29415653.2b363c83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you still have some of last year's crop save IT for seed. The "Indian" corns are straight breeds & will seed themselves, unlike modern hybred corns. The modern hybreds are like mules. Nauga Mok - --part1_4d.29415653.2b363c83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you still have some of last year's crop save IT for seed.  The "Indian" corns are straight breeds & will seed themselves, unlike modern hybred corns.  The modern hybreds are like mules.

Nauga Mok - --part1_4d.29415653.2b363c83_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:29:28 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Help with blacksmith artifact Cyot, I got to believe this thing is for eating. I've seen bell scrapers before and I don't think it would work for that as both spoons would be hitting the hide at the same time. I certainly wouldn't own this thing. It must not be very common as no one seems to know for sure. Thanks though, beaverboy > Beaverboy > My guess without seeing them if they are some type of trappers tool > would be fleshing spoons. When fleshing rats and critters with thin > hinds like rabbits, fox I have used a large table spoon to flesh them, > much less of a chance of cut the hide. Using it much like a bell > scrapper which I use on beaver hinds after clean skinning them, after > they are whooped. > Just a thought > Crazy Cyot - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:43:18 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Help with blacksmith artifact I have checked out the wares offered for sale by porkydoo blacksmiths for years and have seen untold examples of their imagination that defies description....or explaination. I bet if you look hard enough you will find hand forged cellphone holders. The description of this contraption is not clear enough to make its use obvious. However, there have been lots of implements that were in common useage at one time that have since faded from the scene and from our common memory. It's possible that this thing falls into that category. A clear photo or sketch would probably help. It might be related to an east Texas Hootengoonus or a midwestern Thingamajig. Lanney Ratcliff > Cyot, > I got to believe this thing is for eating. I've seen bell scrapers > before and I don't think it would work for that as both spoons would be > hitting the hide at the same time. I certainly wouldn't own this thing. It > must not be very common as no one seems to know for sure. > Thanks though, > beaverboy > > > Beaverboy > > My guess without seeing them if they are some type of trappers tool > > would be fleshing spoons. When fleshing rats and critters with thin > > hinds like rabbits, fox I have used a large table spoon to flesh them, > > much less of a chance of cut the hide. Using it much like a bell > > scrapper which I use on beaver hinds after clean skinning them, after > > they are whooped. > > Just a thought > > Crazy Cyot > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1127 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.