From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1144 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, February 4 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1144 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: twists -       Re: MtMan-List: twists -       Re: MtMan-List: twists -       Re: MtMan-List: twists -       Re: MtMan-List: twists -       MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts -       MtMan-List: Texas Town Names...OFF TOPIC -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:47:09 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" Subject: MtMan-List: twists Capt'n Ye said, < And I agree with a bit of an exception. The Davis museum posts caliber, twist and other info with every rifle. The 1:48 seemed to be quite popular with most calibers 'back then'. There is an Arkansas gun maker, I shouldn't say his name, but it rhymes with 'caywood' who will argue until the end of time that 1:48 is the ideal all-around twist even for larger calibers. He has some very convincing (sounding) arguments, including results on the shooting range. I choose 1:72 for my .54 cal. Jaeger. Cheers, Frank Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:17:42 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twists Frank, How do you like that 1-72" twist? Especially with a hot load? Can you keep tight groups with 100 grs of ff? What would be the maximum load 120 grains of ff? I want to be able to shoot the most powerful load I can that still shoots a tight group. What do you shoot out of it? And how does it shoot? BB > Capt'n > Ye said, > < > would not > use a twist rate as slow as 1-48. I think you will get much better > performance from rates starting at 1-56 and slower. 1-48 seems to be a > rate of twist that T/C adopted with their first "Hawkens" to > accommodate both round ball and conicals. It does both poorly compared > to a barrel rifled for a particular projectile> > And I agree with a bit of an exception. The Davis museum posts > caliber, > twist and other info with every rifle. The 1:48 seemed to be quite > popular with most calibers 'back then'. > There is an Arkansas gun maker, I shouldn't say his name, but it > rhymes > with 'caywood' who will argue until the end of time that 1:48 is the > ideal all-around twist even for larger calibers. He has some very > convincing (sounding) arguments, including results on the shooting > range. > I choose 1:72 for my .54 cal. Jaeger. > Cheers, Frank > > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, AR > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ > http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:13:15 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twists > I choose 1:72 for my .54 cal. Jaeger. > Cheers, Frank So you'll take exception to my offering and then go in the face of the "history" and the famous gun maker and choose a 1-72 twist for your .54?! I give up. Well not really but.............really now! YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:15:09 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twists I want to be able to shoot the most powerful load I can that > still shoots a tight group. Beaver Boy, I know you didn't ask me, you asked Frank but I have to ask what are you trying to kill? And with what caliber? YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:59:53 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twists Capt, That is an excellent webpage, thank you. I was given the advice from a friend of between a 1-72" to 1-80" inch twist for a .54. The calculator said, I believe, a twist minimum of 80. I was just curious as to how Frank's gun shoots with a 72" inch twist. I've heard you can't load up quicker twist barrels heavy and keep them on the paper. I always shoot the hottest load I can that are accurate. I've never loaded light for targets and never would. An old government trapper told me years ago,"Pick a gun and a load and stick with it! Then you always know where it will shoot." Well, he was talking about an -06 or .22-250 but the principle is the same. Didn't oldtimers shoot lighter loads as lead and powder was soooo expensive and precious? What will I hunt with it? Well, everything of course, and sometimes at long distances. We hunt in Griz country here too. I want to make sure that gun will kill me if I get charged. beaverboy >> I choose 1:72 for my .54 cal. Jaeger. >> Cheers, Frank > > So you'll take exception to my offering and then go in the face of the > "history" and the famous gun maker and choose a 1-72 twist for your > .54?! > > I give up. > > > > Well not really but.............really now! > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 04:37:07 -0800 From: "Ben" Subject: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts Hello the camp, I'm comin' in peaceful, askin' for help. I've written a novel about mountain men and the fur trade era. It is being published probably next Jan/Feb. Anyway, I was lying in bed thinking about it when I realized I didn't have anything in the story about how beaver pelts were cared for. I have the cleaning and stretching on willow hoops but what happens next. Did they tan them? Salt them down? They'd have to do something to preserve the skin......but what? I've been monitoring the forum for a while, but have never posted. I must say some of the disscussions are downright interesting. Gleaned a lot of good info from your posts and I thank you kindly. Thanks for any in-sight you can give on this topic. - - Ben - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:09:52 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: MtMan-List: Texas Town Names...OFF TOPIC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2CB6C.646A9BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two Texas towns that figure heavily in the shuttle debris investigation = are Nacogdoches and Palestine. Virtually all out of state reporters are = mispronouncing those towns' names. If you want to pronounce them like = the residents do try the following: Not "Pala-stine" but "Pala-steen" Not "Naka-dough-shus" but "Naka-DOUGH-chus" I realize this ain't a big deal, but I'm tired of big deals for a while. = I realize that millions heard the explosion but being one who did hear = it brings the whole disaster closer and more personal. I can't imagine = how those folks who are finding their homes littered with shuttle parts = (and body parts now) are going to be effected. It's the least we can do = to pronounce the names of their towns right.=20 God bless 'em. God bless us. Most of all, may God bless the crew and = their families. Lanney Ratcliff lanneyratcliff@charter.net ______________________________________________________________ Aux Aliments du Pays - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2CB6C.646A9BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two Texas towns that figure = heavily in=20 the shuttle debris investigation are Nacogdoches and Palestine.  = Virtually=20 all out of state reporters are mispronouncing those towns' names.  = If you=20 want to pronounce them like the residents do try the = following:
 
Not "Pala-stine" but=20 "Pala-steen"
Not "Naka-dough-shus" but=20 "Naka-DOUGH-chus"
 
I realize this ain't a big = deal, but=20 I'm tired of big deals for a while.  I realize that millions heard = the=20 explosion but being one who did hear it brings the whole disaster closer = and=20 more personal.  I can't imagine how those folks who are finding = their homes=20 littered with shuttle parts (and body parts now) are going to be = effected. =20 It's the least we can do to pronounce the names of their towns right.=20
God bless 'em.  God = bless=20 us.  Most of all, may God bless the crew and their = families.
 
Lanney Ratcliff
lanneyratcliff@charter.net=
______________________________________________________________
Aux= =20 Aliments du Pays
- ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2CB6C.646A9BD0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:08:48 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts Did they tan them? No time Ben. > Salt them down? No salt. They'd have to do something to preserve the > skin......but what? Just scrape off the fat and meat and air dry till the hide turns to rawhide. Other than bugs, the hide will last forever, likewise the fur (baring any bugs of course). YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:33:57 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts - --part1_57.178ea02c.2b701015_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben I would like to add a bit to what Capt. Lahti' told ya. After the hide were dry they were checked one more time to make sure all the grease (fat) was removed when fleshed. Then they are folded in half hire side in stacked with the folded side out alternating the hides so you have a flat on both side of the pile. Then the hides are pressed and tied in to a bail for transporting. Each bail was made to weigh about 80 lb. when completed or as close as you could get with the hides they had. When packing the hide on horse or mule it was important that you had two bails of equal weight to keep the load balanced on the pack animal. To press the hides into a tight bail was important, in the field this was done by weighting down the pile of furs with a mans body weight then tied, when the bail was getting close to being complete or to large for this to work well any more it would take more weight to compress a press would be made in the field using a log as fulcrum or lever to press the bail tight to cut down on the bulk of the bail. The bails were warped with a cover hide of some kind or what ever they had to protect it from rain or moisture beside bugs that was the other danger the hides had to be protected from. When camped in one spot for a given time the hide would be taken out of the bails and aired to make sure they stayed dried. Bails like this could be put in a cache and stored tell Rendezvous. Hope this helps ya Crazy Cyot As for what trappers ate have a look and my web site and read Mountaineer Survival Skills ya might get a little more insight to there diets then you have thought of. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm - --part1_57.178ea02c.2b701015_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben
I would like to add a bit to what Capt. Lahti' told ya. After the hide were dry they were checked one more time to make sure all the grease (fat) was removed when fleshed. Then they are folded in half hire side in stacked with the folded side out alternating the hides so you have a flat on both side of the pile. Then the hides are pressed and tied in to a bail for transporting. Each bail was made to weigh about 80 lb. when completed or as close as you could get with the hides they had. When packing the hide on horse or mule it was important that you had two bails of equal weight to keep the load balanced on the pack animal. To press the hides into a tight bail was important, in the field this was done by weighting down the pile of furs with a mans body weight then tied, when the bail was getting close to being complete or to large for this to work well any more it would take more weight to compress  a press would be made in the field using a log as fulcrum or lever to press the bail tight to cut down on the bulk of the bail. The bails were warped with a cover hide of some kind or what ever they had to protect it from rain or moisture beside bugs that was the other danger the hides had to be protected from. When camped in one spot for a given time the hide would be taken out of the bails and aired to make sure they stayed dried. Bails like this could be put in a cache and stored tell Rendezvous.
Hope this helps ya
Crazy Cyot
As for what trappers ate have a look and my web site and read   
Mountaineer Survival Skills ya might get a little more insight to there diets then you have thought of.
http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm
- --part1_57.178ea02c.2b701015_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:44:58 -0800 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2CB9B.34CB3FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many Thanks to Capt.Lahti' and GazingCoyote. I appreciate the responses. I guess I'm not going to have to do = to much revision. I had the characters doing what was needed. I just = hadn't read anywhere exactly what and how the pelts were packed. I made = my bale's only fifty pounds (I'm lazy and the thought of loading and = eighty to hundred pound pack everymorning they were on the trail wore me = out thinking about it, especially if they'd been successful and had a = good catch.) I had my trappers catch and trade for around 1500 pelts = during the season, which I know is more than double the average trapping = expidition, but Hey, this is fiction :) Sometime's I think I was born a hundred years to late, but then on = the other hand... Again, many thanks Ben =20 - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts Ben=20 I would like to add a bit to what Capt. Lahti' told ya. After the hide = were dry they were checked one more time to make sure all the grease = (fat) was removed when fleshed. Then they are folded in half hire side = in stacked with the folded side out alternating the hides so you have a = flat on both side of the pile. Then the hides are pressed and tied in to = a bail for transporting. Each bail was made to weigh about 80 lb. when = completed or as close as you could get with the hides they had. When = packing the hide on horse or mule it was important that you had two = bails of equal weight to keep the load balanced on the pack animal. To = press the hides into a tight bail was important, in the field this was = done by weighting down the pile of furs with a mans body weight then = tied, when the bail was getting close to being complete or to large for = this to work well any more it would take more weight to compress a = press would be made in the field using a log as fulcrum or lever ! to = press the bail tight to cut down on the bulk of the bail. The bails were = warped with a cover hide of some kind or what ever they had to protect = it from rain or moisture beside bugs that was the other danger the hides = had to be protected from. When camped in one spot for a given time the = hide would be taken out of the bails and aired to make sure they stayed = dried. Bails like this could be put in a cache and stored tell = Rendezvous.=20 Hope this helps ya=20 Crazy Cyot=20 As for what trappers ate have a look and my web site and read =20 Mountaineer Survival Skills ya might get a little more insight to = there diets then you have thought of.=20 http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2CB9B.34CB3FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many Thanks to Capt.Lahti' and=20 GazingCoyote.
 
    I appreciate the=20 responses.    I guess I'm not going to have to do to much = revision.  I had the characters doing what was needed.  I just = hadn't=20 read anywhere exactly what and how the pelts were packed.  I made = my bale's=20 only fifty pounds (I'm lazy and the thought of loading and eighty to = hundred=20 pound pack everymorning they were on the trail wore me out thinking = about it,=20 especially if they'd been successful and had a good catch.)  I had = my=20 trappers catch and trade for around 1500 pelts during the season, which = I know=20 is more than double the average trapping expidition, but Hey, this is=20 fiction  :)
    Sometime's I think I = was born a=20 hundred years to late, but then on the other hand...
 
Again, many thanks
Ben
   
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GazeingCyot@cs.com
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 = 10:33=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: = caring for=20 beaver pelts

Ben
I would like to add a bit to what Capt. = Lahti' told=20 ya. After the hide were dry they were checked one more time to make = sure all=20 the grease (fat) was removed when fleshed. Then they are folded in = half hire=20 side in stacked with the folded side out alternating the hides so you = have a=20 flat on both side of the pile. Then the hides are pressed and tied in = to a=20 bail for transporting. Each bail was made to weigh about 80 lb. when = completed=20 or as close as you could get with the hides they had. When packing the = hide on=20 horse or mule it was important that you had two bails of equal weight = to keep=20 the load balanced on the pack animal. To press the hides into a tight = bail was=20 important, in the field this was done by weighting down the pile of = furs with=20 a mans body weight then tied, when the bail was getting close to being = complete or to large for this to work well any more it would take more = weight=20 to compress  a press would be made in the field using a log as = fulcrum or=20 lever ! to press the bail tight to cut down on the bulk of the bail. = The bails=20 were warped with a cover hide of some kind or what ever they had to = protect it=20 from rain or moisture beside bugs that was the other danger the hides = had to=20 be protected from. When camped in one spot for a given time the hide = would be=20 taken out of the bails and aired to make sure they stayed dried. Bails = like=20 this could be put in a cache and stored tell Rendezvous.
Hope this = helps=20 ya
Crazy Cyot
As for what trappers ate have a look and my web = site and=20 read   
Mountaineer Survival Skills ya might get a = little more=20 insight to there diets then you have thought of. =
http://members.tr= ipod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm=20
- ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C2CB9B.34CB3FE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:33:25 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBCB.E20B82C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben wrote: >Sometime's I think I was born a hundred years to late, but then on the = other hand... So your one of those who wanted to be here after all the fun was over = huh? 1900 would be pretty swivilized. Curious though does your book run the typical: didn't get along with = Dad; was always out shooting squirrel instead of in school; heads west = alone or with just a couple of others; da da da. Or have you ventured into more enjoyable waters. Wynn Ormond - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBCB.E20B82C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ben wrote:
 
>Sometime's I think I was born a = hundred years=20 to late, but then on the other hand...
 
So your one of those who wanted to be = here after=20 all the fun was over huh?  1900 would be pretty = swivilized.
 
Curious though does your book run the=20 typical:  didn't get along with Dad; was always out shooting = squirrel=20 instead of in school; heads west alone or with just a couple of others; = da da=20 da.
 
Or have you ventured into more = enjoyable=20 waters.
 
Wynn Ormond
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBCB.E20B82C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:51:43 -0800 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2CC2A.A3EE6E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wynn, I hope I've journeyed into more enjoyable waters! =20 My main character moves West with his family when he was 12 years old, = in 1828. His father was going to settle in Missouri, but when they = reached St. Louis they ran into his uncle, a mountain man and trapper = that expounded on the land far to the west, and was persuaded to claim = some of it for himself. Four years after they'd homesteaded a valley on = the north slope of the Uintahs, Indians raided, massacering his family = except for his sister, who they stole and took with them. =20 The story proceeds from there. How he responded to the tradgedy and his = search for his sister. He travels to the rendevous on the Green River = in search of his Uncle and has many an adventure. I hope I've written it so that those on this board will enjoy it (and = not made to many glaring errors). About the hundred years.....I was thinking a hundred years before I was = born....which would put me right in the middle of my story :-) 1837, = although my grandfather was still settling the country in 1900. Started = a small town in Southern Utah. Ben - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wynn & Gretchen Ormond=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts Ben wrote: >Sometime's I think I was born a hundred years to late, but then on = the other hand... So your one of those who wanted to be here after all the fun was over = huh? 1900 would be pretty swivilized. Curious though does your book run the typical: didn't get along with = Dad; was always out shooting squirrel instead of in school; heads west = alone or with just a couple of others; da da da. Or have you ventured into more enjoyable waters. Wynn Ormond - ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2CC2A.A3EE6E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Wynn,
 
I hope I've journeyed into more = enjoyable=20 waters!  
 
My  main character moves West with = his family=20 when he was 12 years old, in 1828.  His father was going to settle = in=20 Missouri, but when they reached St. Louis they ran into his uncle,  = a=20 mountain man and trapper that expounded on the land far to the west, and = was=20 persuaded to claim some of it for himself.  Four years after they'd = homesteaded a valley on the north slope of the Uintahs, Indians = raided,  massacering his family except = for his=20 sister, who they stole and took with them.   =
The story proceeds from there.  How he responded to the = tradgedy and=20 his search for his sister.   He travels to the rendevous on = the Green=20 River in search of his Uncle and  has many an adventure.
 
I hope I've written it so that those on = this board=20 will enjoy it (and not made to many glaring errors).
 
About the hundred years.....I was = thinking a=20 hundred years before I was born....which would put me right in the = middle of my=20 story :-)  1837,   although my grandfather was still = settling the=20 country in 1900.  Started a small town in Southern = Utah.
 
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wynn & Gretchen = Ormond=20
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 = 8:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: = caring for=20 beaver pelts

Ben wrote:
 
>Sometime's I think I was born a = hundred years=20 to late, but then on the other hand...
 
So your one of those who wanted to be = here after=20 all the fun was over huh?  1900 would be pretty = swivilized.
 
Curious though does your book run the = typical:  didn't get along with Dad; was always out shooting = squirrel=20 instead of in school; heads west alone or with just a couple of = others; da da=20 da.
 
Or have you ventured into more = enjoyable=20 waters.
 
Wynn Ormond
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C2CC2A.A3EE6E80-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:45:17 -0700 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2CC32.20000AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Were there folks homesteading in the Unitahs in the 1830's? Had land been opened up under the homestead act allowed homesteading there or were they just moving in and setting up? Curious. Bead Shooter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts Hi Wynn, I hope I've journeyed into more enjoyable waters! My main character moves West with his family when he was 12 years old, in 1828. His father was going to settle in Missouri, but when they reached St. Louis they ran into his uncle, a mountain man and trapper that expounded on the land far to the west, and was persuaded to claim some of it for himself. Four years after they'd homesteaded a valley on the north slope of the Uintahs, Indians raided, massacering his family except for his sister, who they stole and took with them. The story proceeds from there. How he responded to the tradgedy and his search for his sister. He travels to the rendevous on the Green River in search of his Uncle and has many an adventure. I hope I've written it so that those on this board will enjoy it (and not made to many glaring errors). About the hundred years.....I was thinking a hundred years before I was born....which would put me right in the middle of my story :-) 1837, although my grandfather was still settling the country in 1900. Started a small town in Southern Utah. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Wynn & Gretchen Ormond To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: caring for beaver pelts Ben wrote: >Sometime's I think I was born a hundred years to late, but then on the other hand... So your one of those who wanted to be here after all the fun was over huh? 1900 would be pretty swivilized. Curious though does your book run the typical: didn't get along with Dad; was always out shooting squirrel instead of in school; heads west alone or with just a couple of others; da da da. Or have you ventured into more enjoyable waters. Wynn Ormond - ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C2CC32.20000AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Were there folks homesteading in the = Unitahs in the=20 1830's? Had land been opened up under the homestead act allowed = homesteading=20 there or were they just moving in and setting up? Curious.
 
Bead Shooter
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, = 2003 9:51=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: = caring for=20 beaver pelts

Hi Wynn,
 
I hope I've journeyed into more = enjoyable=20 waters!  
 
My  main character moves West = with his=20 family when he was 12 years old, in 1828.  His father was going = to settle=20 in Missouri, but when they reached St. Louis they ran into his = uncle,  a=20 mountain man and trapper that expounded on the land far to the west, = and was=20 persuaded to claim some of it for himself.  Four years after = they'd=20 homesteaded a valley on the north slope of the Uintahs, Indians=20 raided,  massacering his = family=20 except for his sister, who they stole and took with them.  =20
The story proceeds from there.  How he responded to the = tradgedy and=20 his search for his sister.   He travels to the rendevous on = the=20 Green River in search of his Uncle and  has many an = adventure.
 
I hope I've written it so that those = on this=20 board will enjoy it (and not made to many glaring = errors).
 
About the hundred years.....I was = thinking a=20 hundred years before I was born....which would put me right in the = middle of=20 my story :-)  1837,   although my grandfather was still = settling the country in 1900.  Started a small town in Southern=20 Utah.
 
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wynn & Gretchen = Ormond=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, February 03, = 2003 8:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: = caring for=20 beaver pelts

Ben wrote:
 
>Sometime's I think I was born a = hundred=20 years to late, but then on the other hand...
 
So your one of those who wanted to = be here=20 after all the fun was over huh?  1900 would be pretty=20 swivilized.
 
Curious though does your book run = the=20 typical:  didn't get along with Dad; was always out shooting = squirrel=20 instead of in school; heads west alone or with just a couple of = others; da=20 da da.
 
Or have you ventured into more = enjoyable=20 waters.
 
Wynn Ormond
 
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