From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1183 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, April 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1183 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 -       MtMan-List: unsubscribe -       Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 -       Re: MtMan-List: Post 1840 -       Re: MtMan-List: Policy -       Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 -       Re: MtMan-List: post-1840 -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List: Policy - off topic -       Re: MtMan-List: post 1840 -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps -       Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 -       Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:57:20 -0800 From: "Bear Kelsey" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C2F7C8.1F2A9740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with you that tents were used, but unless a man was riding a = horse and had a pack mule/horse, chances are that a tent would not be a = high priority item. A load comprised of a bedroll, extra moccasins and = maybe some extra clothes, powder and lead to last a season and his = trapping gear plus a few incidentals could wear a man down fast. He = would also be carrying his rifle, camp axe and knife, fire making stuff, = well, you get the picture. Phew, I'm tired already!!!! I am pretty familiar with rendezvous on both coasts and you are = right, mostly commercial. I've seen some real funny sights, mostly = pilgrims and the other end of the spectrum with died in the wool hard = core mountain men. I have never been to AMM sponsored rendezvous, but = been to rondy's where there were AMM members and never met an AMM person = yet that left any doubt that he was serious about his sport. Don't guess = I have ever seen a rondy that would come close to the real thing as = history say's it was, although I would like to see one sometime before I = shed this robe. My most used side arm at rondy is a sawed off 12 gauge in a rather = simple open ended holster. I need not take the gun from the holster to = fire it and I have been known to carry it charged, but only with a light = load of powder and toilet paper for special effects. Other than that, = loaded, yes-- capped or primed, no!!! I think that traders at a really primitive gathering would be fun = depending on what they were trading. Then do like a Pow-Wow that I = attended in North Carolina where no money was allowed, just trade goods = for trade goods. Made it real interesting listening to all the dickering = that went on. Most of the Pow-Wow trading was craft items for craft = items, but at a rondy maybe limit the trade goods for the traders to = stuff that the mountain man would need to carry him through a season. = This could include shirts, pants , moccasins, lead, powder, tobacco, = traps, knives, etc,etc. I could go on, but this is a bit long for a = discussion post. "Two Bears" - ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C2F7C8.1F2A9740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with you that tents were used, = but unless a=20 man was riding a horse and had a pack mule/horse, chances are that a = tent would=20 not be a high priority item. A load comprised of a bedroll, extra = moccasins and=20 maybe some extra clothes, powder and lead to last a season and his = trapping gear=20 plus a few incidentals could wear a man down fast. He would also be = carrying his=20 rifle, camp axe and knife, fire making stuff, well, you get the picture. = Phew,=20 I'm tired already!!!!
    I am pretty familiar = with=20 rendezvous on both coasts and you are right, mostly commercial. I've = seen some=20 real funny sights, mostly pilgrims and the other end of the spectrum = with died=20 in the wool hard core mountain men. I have never been to AMM sponsored=20 rendezvous, but been to rondy's where there were AMM members and never = met an=20 AMM person yet that left any doubt that he was serious about his sport. = Don't=20 guess I have ever seen a rondy that would come close to the real thing = as=20 history say's it was, although I would like to see one sometime before I = shed=20 this robe.
    My most used side = arm at rondy=20 is a sawed off 12 gauge in a rather simple open ended holster. I need = not take=20 the gun from the holster to fire it and I have been known to carry it = charged,=20 but only with a light load of powder and toilet paper for special = effects. Other=20 than that, loaded, yes-- capped or primed, no!!!
   I think that traders at a = really=20 primitive gathering would be fun depending on what they were trading. = Then do=20 like a Pow-Wow that I attended in North Carolina where no money was = allowed,=20 just trade goods for trade goods. Made it real interesting listening to = all the=20 dickering that went on. Most of the Pow-Wow trading was craft items for = craft=20 items, but at a rondy maybe limit the trade goods for the traders to = stuff that=20 the mountain man would need to carry him through a season. This could = include=20 shirts, pants , moccasins, lead, powder, tobacco, traps, knives, = etc,etc. I=20 could go on, but this is a bit long for a discussion post.  "Two=20 Bears"
- ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C2F7C8.1F2A9740-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:10:35 -0500 From: Wahkahchim@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: unsubscribe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:50:41 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bear Kelsey > The supposed atmosphere of an original Rendezvous will not be permitted to > exist in this day and age simply because of the family atmosphere and of > course the families that attend. The majority will only put up with so much > hell raising > > You are right and I agree where families are involved. I guess what needs to > be done is putting on a rondy that is not a family thing Mr Kelsey I am not much of a rendezvous'er but let me propose a better idea. Rather than trying to bend modern rendezvous to fit the original why not try to emulate the trapper during the other 50 weeks out of the year. You get to have all that fun and you don't have to tell everyone else they can't bring their kids because you want to have horse races through camp and let drunk men fire weapons hopefully into the air. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:01:03 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Post 1840 Now this is diplomacy! Well said, beaverboy. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:07 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Post 1840 > Jim wrote, > > Do you think it is just a bad idea then? > > Dear List, > Jim waxes poetically about the old west that he loves and how the > pioneers and settlers that came later ruined or changed the west for > him. Then he wants to push the expansion of the study and research of > the western fur trade. Why? So that even more people fall in love, > then move out west to follow their dreams? The second or third, fifth, > sixth migration to the west? Watch out for what you wish for. > Jim, you asked in one of your first post on this subject, "Do you > think this is just a bad idea then?" Yes Jim, it's a bad idea, it's a > terrible idea. There, I said it, I'm sorry. Your idea of pushing it to > 1860 sucks. > I agree with almost everyone. Kramer is right, L&C to Fort Bridger is > the perfect timeline. Double Edge Forge is right too, they can't get > it right at rendezvous with the dates we have now so why add 20 more > years? > Jim, it's obvious you're a scholar in this field with a great passion > and knowledge for this era but this is not a good idea. > Sincerely and most respectfully yours, > beaverboy > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:05:44 -0700 From: Dean Rudy Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Policy Sorry, the mailing list software rejects messages that exceed a certain size. Most images are too large to pass this filter. The recommended approach is to put the images on a web page and post the URL. - -Dean At 04:31 PM 3/30/03 -0500, you wrote: >Dean, > >What policy and limitations apply to image attachments for these mail lists? > >Thanks, > >Tom > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:09:04 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 > I don't think that AMM rendezvous are anything like the original. There > are never any commercial traders at AMM doins. Of course your right in general Blood. As we have both pointed out, the originals and the modern were and are held for the benefit of trade/commerce. There however have been traders set up at AMM Nationals. Albeit not many and certainly not to the degree that we would see at a Western National, etc. It is dangerous and > negligent if one does. So...I hope that you were not talking about a > "charged" weapon. That's my take on it too. A gun is not considered loaded missing the prime. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:16:41 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: post-1840 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C2F7D3.349CDA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable < So, in my humble opinion, you ought to back it up 6 years and let = the early argonauts, the dragoons and the Mexican War guys come play = too. It makes more sense, historically speaking. Respectfully,=20 John R. Sweet Coplorado Springs > And respectfully received John. That was a fine summary of a lot of = very interesting western and American history. Thanks, truly. = However............. < let the early Argonauts, the dragoons and the Mexican War guys come = play too.> Were those groups represented at the pre 1840 Rendezvous? If they were = not and we still are suggesting that they should be allowed at a = pre-1840's modern Rendezvous, then respectfully, you have missed the = whole point.=20 YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C2F7D3.349CDA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
< So, in my humble opinion, you ought to back = it up 6=20 years and let the early argonauts, the dragoons and the Mexican War = guys come=20 play too.  It makes more sense, historically=20 speaking.

Respectfully,

John R. Sweet
Coplorado=20 Springs >
 
And respectfully received = John. That was=20 a fine summary of a lot of very interesting western and American = history.=20 Thanks, truly. However.............
 
< let the early = Argonauts, the=20 dragoons and the Mexican War guys come play too.>
 
Were those groups = represented at the pre=20 1840 Rendezvous? If they were not and we still are suggesting that = they should=20 be allowed at a pre-1840's modern Rendezvous, then respectfully, you = have=20 missed the whole point.
 
YMOS
Capt. = Lahti'
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C2F7D3.349CDA10-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:28:29 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Quilter . The modern event IS a family doings, and you simply have > to adjust to this. Various groups including the AMM still go out with "just > the guys" (and a few plucky women) to recreate the feeling of really living > on the ground. Each experience has its own rewards. Pat Why do we have to adjust to it? 14 year old TC Stanley looked as good as any adult at a beaver camp in 2000. And I personally know a 7 year old who is a fair hand signer and he can ride a horse and cut tracks as good as most. You mark my words, Jill's womens group is going to the shame on some AMMers. My point is this. As modern rendezvous go I say to each his own. If all they want is to porkyvoo let them and more power to them. But why is there such a strong attitude that excludes young people from higher level events? Why don't we see more children at AMM events? If we want to pass our seriousness to the hobby on or stimulate interest as Jim said in his post that got everyone fired up why arn't we teaching to our own kids? I talked to Toas Tom about this the other night. He said "What I wouldn't have given to have been able to do this stuff as a kid. Man talk about playground bragging rights!" So what do yall think about that? Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:24:43 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps So what do yall think about that?......... Wynn and other friends, I've done over 1,000 miles worth of canoe trips. All of it was done 'primitive' with mostly AMM brothers. At least 2/3 of these miles had women and/or children in attendence. The events I have participated in where open to members and their 'guests'. Guests often include women and children. They are generally welcome as long as they [play by the rules]. Most of the women and kids I have traveled with can carry their own weight and would be welcome in any camp of mine. Tom is right, my kid can tell stories that most wouldn't believe...but the stories are true..... Yfab, Randy . But why is there > such a strong attitude that excludes young people from higher level events? > Why don't we see more children at AMM events? If we want to pass our > seriousness to the hobby on or stimulate interest as Jim said in his post > that got everyone fired up why arn't we teaching to our own kids? > > I talked to Toas Tom about this the other night. He said "What I wouldn't > have given to have been able to do this stuff as a kid. Man talk about > playground bragging rights!" > > So what do yall think about that? > > Wynn Ormond > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our fathers, we ar - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:22:13 -0500 From: "Tom Roberts" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Policy - off topic Dean, Thanks for the explanation. What is the message size limit? Perhaps you or some other very kind person might offer a bit of advice on how to "put the images on a web page". I can do lot's of stuff, some of it well, but there's a whole lot about which I haven't a clue and that's one of them. Thanks! Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Rudy" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:05 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Policy > Sorry, the mailing list software rejects messages that exceed a certain > size. Most images are too large to pass this filter. The recommended > approach is to put the images on a web page and post the URL. > -Dean > > At 04:31 PM 3/30/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Dean, > > > >What policy and limitations apply to image attachments for these mail lists? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tom > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:27:05 -0500 From: Linda Holley Subject: Re: MtMan-List: post 1840 - --------------090001000308020003050106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, too late in the time period. Remember, I am trying to stay in the "time period". :-) Linda Holley roger lahti wrote: > > > > Linda Holley....but then again.......I like the view from my side > with the boys and their breech cloths. > > You like that view? Yuck! I supose your the one woman in the world > who appreciates Speedo's. > > Capt. L > > > > >> > shirts.> > - --------------090001000308020003050106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, too late in the time period.   Remember, I am trying to stay in the "time period". :-)

Linda Holley

roger lahti wrote:
 

Linda Holley....but then again.......I like the view from my side with the boys and their  breech cloths.
 
You like that view? Yuck! I supose your the one woman in the world who appreciates Speedo's. <G>
Capt. L
 



<Love some of the girls going around in breech clout and honour shirts.>

- --------------090001000308020003050106-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:25:08 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps At 11:28 PM 3/31/2003 -0700, Wynn wrote: >So what do yall think about that? > >Wynn Ormond Hi Guys and Gals, Couple of things. First of all women and kids can do it, because we're all here, and our ancestors DID do it. It's just as easy to do it right as it is to do it wrong. We've got several women who camp with us who will make the hardest core mountain man strain to keep up, any time of year. And Wynn, that fine lad can sit a horse well! Allen, from Fort Hall country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:59:53 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps guys we've hammered this one good but guess i have to drop my nickel in the pot---my first association with the AMM was in the early 60's and the rules havent changed and in or around the 70's there was a seperation of some from the east to the west even though the time period portraid was the same--(some called it the developing period(GBG)I believe haywood was the capitain)-some of the western guys attitude was if you dont play in the rockey mountains you aint squat and the eastern members who traveled out west to the gatherings got real upset with that attitude---the party i was associated with was in Ill/KY/OH and most of them were from ill being some pretty hard core guys and with amm # well below 200 and several in the book (who's who in buckskins)and one of the things that drew me to their groop was they all involved their whole family in the doins from a baby in arms on up to the oldest one there who was in his 80's one young lad who was about 7 at the time i first met him is now in his late 20 early 30's and he still talks about the wonderful experience he had as he says now "Running with the big dogs" like dale black, hawk bowerton, orval (CRICKET) heumpry(SP), pappy horn, Wayne(SOREPAW) Welge,bruce horn, big red, silver fox, crazy dan, dan anderson, and his son steve anderson, fred prentice and many others too numerous to mention. I made this young man his first rifle because he was shooting the kids match at the roo's with my old big gun with full loads or his dads gun ---he had a full costume from the first time i saw him that his dad had made for himas his legs grew we added more leather to his pants. if his dad had to work he went with me to the doins--seems a lot more shooting and primative skills stuff was involved then--- more than just looking original---my girl friend at that time wanted to go to a doins so i built her a costume so that she could join us at the shoots and doins----her best buddy was dale black---he made her a lot of special stuff for her costume--I was privelaged to attend dale blacks first eastern mountain man championshios / and goat shoot---learned a lot ever time i went to a doins---learned plain and fancy hawk throwing from cricket ---knife throwing from Hawk bouerten and primative skills from dale black---and how to make a 5 second or less fire from dan anderson. one of those doins was a full learning experience and to me it was a privelage to be invited to attend and to comply with the/their rules---they were mainly unwritten at that time--I worked for 4 months hand tanning the hides for my pants and hand sew my shirt and capote so i could be right ---most of the guys all helped you get things right many of the things i have today came from one of these fine AMM members---many of which are now trapping with the big maker--- the bottom line for all of this is either comply or go to a groop that will accept your time span ---the amm has never changed the dates they portray and i have never not asked for help from a AMM member that he didnt help or teach me what was correct---or explain in simple terms what is or is not correct---start first with common sense---and do your reading and research---its not a easy path and it is not intended to be - --- a primative camp pre 1840 is just that and should be kept that way as much as possible---the pre 1840 period using comonality and documented items and not the attitude that if they would have had it they would have used it-- sorry for getting so verbose--- NUFF said------- YMHOS HAWK ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 01 Apr 2003 07:14:04 -0800 From: "Curtis Krouse" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps Wynn, I've been to quite a few AMM events and flat-lander rendezvous and haven't seen nearly the negative towards women and children that you mention. I don't see a lot of women and children there, mostly because the guys I know wives don't like primitive camping....and I mean they don't like it at ALL! I know a few wives who enjoy it, but most of them don't. I tried to get my daughter and step daughter to learn how to shoot black powder and took them on about 6 or 7 rendezvous, all to no avail. They didn't want to shoot at all...period. They did enjoy throwing the tomahawk, but the last time they went with me, including my ex, was when we showed up at a vous, and it rained for the entire 3 days. They couldn't get out of there quick enough...and that was it. They didn't ever want to go again....period. So, my point is....it really depends on the family members. There aren't millions of people lined up and trying to get invited into the AMM, or other muzzleloading clubs simply because there aren't a lot of people interested in it. IMHO, Blood On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 22:28, Wynn Ormond wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pat Quilter > > . The modern event IS a family doings, and you simply have > > to adjust to this. Various groups including the AMM still go out with > "just > > the guys" (and a few plucky women) to recreate the feeling of really > living > > on the ground. Each experience has its own rewards. > > > Pat > Why do we have to adjust to it? 14 year old TC Stanley looked as good as > any adult at a beaver camp in 2000. And I personally know a 7 year old who > is a fair hand signer and he can ride a horse and cut tracks as good as > most. You mark my words, Jill's womens group is going to the shame on some > AMMers. > > My point is this. As modern rendezvous go I say to each his own. If all > they want is to porkyvoo let them and more power to them. But why is there > such a strong attitude that excludes young people from higher level events? > Why don't we see more children at AMM events? If we want to pass our > seriousness to the hobby on or stimulate interest as Jim said in his post > that got everyone fired up why arn't we teaching to our own kids? > > I talked to Toas Tom about this the other night. He said "What I wouldn't > have given to have been able to do this stuff as a kid. Man talk about > playground bragging rights!" > > So what do yall think about that? > > Wynn Ormond > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 08:46:10 -0700 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps At the last two AMM nationals there were a number of women and kids. Many of the brigade events I've seen also had some women and children too. These events do have a vast majority of men, but the events are open to guests (women and children) so long as they can abide by the primitive rules. The problem may be more finding women and/or children that have the interest or the right "stuff" to attend. I have not found them to be a distraction nor a hindrance and in fact they have been a plus. I especially like having the kids around. However, I also understand that on many excursions and camps, to be truly correct and have the right feeling, would have no women or kids, with Indian women and children sometimes being the exception. My 2 shillings worth. Bead Shooter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynn Ormond" ....Various groups including the AMM still go out with "just the guys" (and a few plucky women) to recreate the feeling of really living on the ground.... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:28:52 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps Wynn, I personally think you hit the nail on the head and I couldn't agree with you more. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynn Ormond" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pat Quilter > > . The modern event IS a family doings, and you simply have > > to adjust to this. Various groups including the AMM still go out with > "just > > the guys" (and a few plucky women) to recreate the feeling of really > living > > on the ground. Each experience has its own rewards. > > > Pat > Why do we have to adjust to it? 14 year old TC Stanley looked as good as > any adult at a beaver camp in 2000. And I personally know a 7 year old who > is a fair hand signer and he can ride a horse and cut tracks as good as > most. You mark my words, Jill's womens group is going to the shame on some > AMMers. > > My point is this. As modern rendezvous go I say to each his own. If all > they want is to porkyvoo let them and more power to them. But why is there > such a strong attitude that excludes young people from higher level events? > Why don't we see more children at AMM events? If we want to pass our > seriousness to the hobby on or stimulate interest as Jim said in his post > that got everyone fired up why arn't we teaching to our own kids? > > I talked to Toas Tom about this the other night. He said "What I wouldn't > have given to have been able to do this stuff as a kid. Man talk about > playground bragging rights!" > > So what do yall think about that? > > Wynn Ormond > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:35:45 -0800 From: "Bear Kelsey" Subject: Re: MtMan-List:post 1840 Mr Kelsey I am not much of a rendezvous'er but let me propose a better idea. Rather than trying to bend modern rendezvous to fit the original why not try to emulate the trapper during the other 50 weeks out of the year. You get to have all that fun and you don't have to tell everyone else they can't bring their kids because you want to have horse races through camp and let drunk men fire weapons hopefully into the air. Wynn Ormond WOW, did I touch a nerve or something, sorry if I offended you. You must be a Christian or something. I really didn't mean to upset anybody's apple cart with this chit-chat. I don't believe that I was trying to modify any existing rules for modern rendezvous, I was just stating what I would like to see sometime. As for emulating the trapper the other 50 weeks out of the year, I lived in Alaska for 27 years and tryed my hand at the trapping game. I decided that there were much easier ways of making a living. The same goes for prospecting. Been there, done that!!!! As for racing horses, naw, not me. I'd sooner eat one as ride it.Now we come to getting drunk, you bet, I enjoy it!!! I get to do it maybe two or three times a year. A six-pack will last me a couple of weeks usually. So, you see, I am not a drunk. And I haven't been to a rendezvous since 2001 due to illness, but that don't stop me from saying what's on my mind. Again, sorry if I offended you, have a great day, "Two Bears" - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 09:49:03 -0800 From: "Bear Kelsey" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Extra-Primitive Camps I did a fair share of that when I was younger, but was usually by myself. Spent quite a bit of time in the bush in Alaska while I lived up there. My first wife was one of them "plucky" kind of women. My current wife is very "plucky", but that comes from 17 years as a drill instructor in the Army. We still do a rondy once in awhile, but my seneca run days are over. I'd rather set around the fire with a jug and impart words of wisdom on young ears. 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