From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1191 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1191 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: question -       Re: MtMan-List: question -       MtMan-List: mirage.... -       Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... -       Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... -       Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... -       Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... -       Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... -       Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:40:19 EDT From: Iambrainey@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question - --part1_43.1b905970.2bd58703_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Hawk", I appreciate the follow up. When you run across them in unpacking keep me in mind. Ben - --part1_43.1b905970.2bd58703_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Hawk",
I appreciate the follow up.  When you run across them in unpacking keep= me in mind.  Ben - --part1_43.1b905970.2bd58703_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:42:16 -0500 From: John Kramer Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question Some of the items Hawk is referring to can be viewed online at: http://www.kramers.org/hawknest/ John... At 10:25 AM 4/21/03, you wrote: >ben rainey >it may have been me that sent you a set of patterns and instructions for >making a shooting bag that i usto sell in a kit form---will be a couple >of weeks before i can dragg out my files as they are packed for moving >still have the instruction sheets but dont know if i have the patterns >---the pattern was for a double beavertail bag with inner pockets for >small tools and gun assessories it also had a patch knife sheeth that >could be put on the strap or on the back side of the bag--the pattern was >from a original bag i have that i made a copy of---I also have a pattern >of a small hunting bag that is what i call a kidney bag---Very small and >used with a small caliber hunting rifle also a original pattern---I liked >both of them so much i made new ones like them to use. the double >beavertail has a real wide strap at the top of the sholder and requires 2 >d rings and a couple of buckels ---the kidney bag has a brass push over >closure that i dont use--- > >"Hawk" > >________________________________________________________________ >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:08:10 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: mirage.... - --part1_117.22565399.2bd6283a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a minute...) with my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have been just me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shots started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun cool, the next shot went right back up on target.... Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...? Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next week. Magpie - --part1_117.22565399.2bd6283a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a m= inute...) with my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have= been just me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shot= s started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun cool,= the next shot went right back up on target....
Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to compensa= te for it? Is shooting low always the end result...?

Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next week.

Magpie - --part1_117.22565399.2bd6283a_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:32:47 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30855.EF47AC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've gotten heat waves on my Chambers rifle that made me shoot high. = Where you going after turkeys? Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SWcushing@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: MtMan-List: mirage.... I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a minute...) with = my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have been just = me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shots = started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun = cool, the next shot went right back up on target....=20 Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to = compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...? Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next = week. Magpie - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30855.EF47AC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've gotten heat waves on my Chambers = rifle that=20 made me shoot high. Where you going after turkeys?
 
Capt. L
 
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From:=20 SWcushing@aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 = 10:08=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: = mirage....

I got to doing some speed shooting (read two = shots a=20 minute...) with my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. = Might have=20 been just me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my = shots=20 started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun = cool, the=20 next shot went right back up on target....
Has anyone played with = the=20 mirage effect while shooting, and how to compensate for it? Is = shooting low=20 always the end result...?

Nice work on the turkey = Beaverboy..... I'm=20 gonna terrorize em next week.

Magpie=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C30855.EF47AC40-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:25:06 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... magpie when you get that change from heat from fireing real fast check the pins or wedges in your rifle there is no movement in them they should be slotted for and aft not up and down this will solve your problem ---only the most forward one should hold the barrel fully down--- nuff said "Hawk" ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:09:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... Good Luck Hunting. > I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a minute...) with my > Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have been just > me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shots > started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun > cool, the next shot went right back up on target.... > Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to > compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...? > > Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next week. > > Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:32:14 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... In a message dated 4/21/03 11:09:13 PM, SWcushing@aol.com writes: << Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...? >> I used to have a .58 custom made Hawken (before there were kits and TC Hawkens, etc.) with a 1 & 1/8" across-the-flats barrel. It was worst on a sunny, snowy (meaning snow on the ground) day. I only noticed it in competition target shooting. In the field I guess I was out of the sun and not affected. Never did learn how to actually compensate for it except to realize there were visual heat waves rising off it and take a litte time to allow for it. Richard James - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:59:04 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... - --part1_127.27c9b788.2bd82058_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/21/2003 10:33:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amm1719@charter.net writes: > I've gotten heat waves on my Chambers rifle that made me shoot high. Hi Capt.... Yeah, go figure. I would have thought the rising "air" off the hot barrel would "lift" the mark also....and it would shoot high. Maybe it's the thin walled Tulle barrel being pulled down as it warms up, like Hawk sez... I'll play with it some more... <> I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by Biscuit's camp.... Sez he's got some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so maybe we'll use him as a decoy... Magpie - --part1_127.27c9b788.2bd82058_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/21/2003 10:33:57 PM Pacific Dayli= ght Time, amm1719@charter.net writes:

I've gotten heat waves on my Ch= ambers rifle that made me shoot high.


Hi Capt.... Yeah, go figure. I would have thought the rising "air" off the h= ot barrel would "lift" the mark also....and it would shoot high. Maybe it's=20= the thin walled Tulle barrel being pulled down as it warms up, like Hawk sez= ... I'll play with it some more...

<<Where you going after turkeys?>>
I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by Biscuit's camp.... Sez he's g= ot some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so maybe we'll use him as a dec= oy...

Magpie

 - --part1_127.27c9b788.2bd82058_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:45:11 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage.... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C3098D.CC078730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by Biscuit's camp.... Sez = he's got some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so maybe we'll use = him as a decoy... Sounds like a good idea. Aim careful. Don't want to just wound. My problem was part mirage and part rear sight too far back. I moved = it forward about 6 inches and it works much better.=20 I'm not sure that I will get out after turkeys at all this year. We'll = just have to see how it goes. Have fun and bring home a big beard. Capt. L Magpie - ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C3098D.CC078730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by = Biscuit's=20 camp.... Sez he's got some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so = maybe we'll=20 use him as a decoy...
Sounds like a good idea. Aim careful. Don't want = to just=20 wound.
 
My problem was part mirage and part rear sight = too far=20 back. I moved it forward about 6 inches and it works much better.=20
 
I'm not sure that I will get out after turkeys at = all this=20 year. We'll just have to see how it goes. Have fun and bring home a = big=20 beard.
 
Capt. L


Magpie

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