From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1194 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, May 7 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1194 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events? -       MtMan-List: writer's death -       Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events? -       Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger -       Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger -       Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping -       Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping -       MtMan-List: I'm back, kinda.. Whoopie -       Re: MtMan-List: writer's death ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:35:08 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events? In a message dated 5/5/03 7:46:30 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: << I am holding a Rendezvous at Fort Fuenaventura >> Try finding that one on the map! I think Ole means Fort Buena Ventura being a mingling of AMM and American Long Rifle Association. It is intended to be a quality gathering for . . . . people of quality and visitors. Right Ole? - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:42:10 -0600 From: Mike Moore Subject: MtMan-List: writer's death Today's Rocky Mountain News showed the obituary of David Lavender. David was known to us for books like "Bent's Fort" and "A Fist in the Wilderness", but he had written close to 40 history books all together. He died at the age of 93 after a long undisclosed illiness. The family said his ashes are to be spread on the ranch land of western Colorado, which he loved. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:17:07 -0600 From: Ole Jensen Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mem. day events? on 5/5/03 12:35 PM, SWzypher@aol.com at SWzypher@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/5/03 7:46:30 AM, olebjensen@earthlink.net writes: > > << I am holding a Rendezvous at Fort Fuenaventura >> > > Try finding that one on the map! > > I think Ole means Fort Buena Ventura being a mingling of AMM and American > Long Rifle Association. It is intended to be a quality gathering for . . . > . people of quality and visitors. Right Ole? > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html Right Dick! Ole - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:13:42 -0500 From: "Glenn Darilek" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger Jim Bridger is buried in the Mount Washington Cemetery in Independence, Missouri. It is not too difficult to find. He was buried somewhere else, but I think someone moved him around the turn of the last century. Some say that the monument that is erected there is not really where he is buried, and that history has lost his exact burial place. When I visited the cemetery a few years ago, I was wondering where he might be, and saw two pine trees amongst the predominant hardwoods that were there. I had the romantic notion that he would have liked some reminder of the Rocky Mountains near his grave, so he might be planted near those pines. That was one tough man. A friend of mine once reminded us that we would not have been worthy to even hold the reigns of Bridger's horse. While passing through Kansas City, be sure to see the Arabia steamship museum. A few years past the rendezvous era, but the quantity and quality of the plunder they recovered is enough to require bibs so as not to drool all over the displays! At 10:07 AM 5/3/03, you wrote: >Hi Tom! Hope all is well with you and yours. A >friend of mine from Kentucky is planning a trip west, >and is passing through Kansas City. He was wondering >exactly where Jim Bridger was buried, and I couldn't >remember. I know it is in one of the suburbs, and >used to know the cemetery name, but it has escaped me. > Can you help me out? Thanks, Ron Glenn Darilek Iron Burner - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:34:32 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger > While passing through Kansas City, be sure to see the Arabia steamship > museum. A few years past the rendezvous era, but the quantity and > quality of the plunder they recovered is enough to require bibs so as > not to drool all over the displays! Stopped and saw that myself once. WOW!! As you say... not nice to drool all over the displays. Amazing all of the stuff that was taken out "West". Regards, Ad Miller - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:59:19 +0000 From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping Monte, To my knowledge traps were not waxed. At least I've never seen a refrence for it, lets say that. Today we can dye them in logwood dye or sumac dye. Was it feasible then for a man in the mountians to have a big pot to boil his traps in?? My bet would be no. From experience I know all traps will rust, in the water or not. I would suspect that traps were allowed to rust much the same as a gun barrel would brown providing a natural protective coating over time and use that way. Those little sliders on a cable or wire are a modern item. While effective I've never seen refrence to a "drowning wire" or the like. I use a stiff chunk of manila rope secured close to the trap with a bag full of rocks/gravel also tied close. Most (note I say most) of the time if you select a slick/smooth spot on the bank with a quick drop off this will provide a quick "drown" Note also, beaver and other animals in a trap under water do not drown, they pass out from holding their breath actually. Don't believe me? Open one up next time. Hello to the list Sean in MT >From: "Monte Holder" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:23:42 -0500 > > >I have been doing some reading on trapping and about dying and waxing the >traps. I got to wondering how/if this was done by the men on the rivers in >the heyday of fur trade. And how are the drowning sets used now different >from the ones used today (or are they same)? I'm thinking about those >slides that lock the trap on the cable/wire. > >Monte Holder >Saline Co MO > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:05:04 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping Note also, beaver and other animals in a trap under > water do not drown, they pass out from holding their breath actually. Don't > believe me? Open one up next time. Sean, An oversimplification. People hold their breath too when they drown. At some point unconciousness takes hold, some water will be aspirated, but it really only complicates the situation in people by causing an imbalance in the fluid makeup of the blood, too much salt in saltwater drownings, too much water in the blood in freshwater drownings. These imbalances cause other physiological problems within the bodies normal balance. As little as 22 ml/kg of body weight aspirated into the lungs will cause the additional physiological burdens beyond the basic problem of no oxygen exchange. It might be hard to detect any significant amount of water in the lungs of an animal drowning. With people, very little water is aspirated and that depends on the stage of drowning they are in and how they drown. "Aspiration of fluid as little as 2.2 ml/kg body weight produces decrease in paO2 to approximately 60 mm of Hg within 3 minutes. This is because the water in the alveoli, alters the pulmonary sur-factant and thus increases the pulmonary shunt via either fluid filled (salt water drowning) or atel-ectatic (fresh water drowning) alveoli. Pearn 2 re-ported that the aspiration of fluid as little as 2.5 ml/kg body weight increased the intrapulmonary shunt as much as 75%. Even victims who are ap-parently normal may show some abnormal blood gas report and take several days to reach pre-drowning values. Delayed outpouring of fluid into the alveoli may occur due to pulmonary parenchymal damage and transudation of protein rich fluid following near-drowning. No great thing in the grand scheme of things but interesting none the less. YMOS Capt. Lahti' > > Hello to the list > Sean in MT > > > > > > > > >From: "Monte Holder" > >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > >To: > >Subject: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping > >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:23:42 -0500 > > > > > >I have been doing some reading on trapping and about dying and waxing the > >traps. I got to wondering how/if this was done by the men on the rivers in > >the heyday of fur trade. And how are the drowning sets used now different > >from the ones used today (or are they same)? I'm thinking about those > >slides that lock the trap on the cable/wire. > > > >Monte Holder > >Saline Co MO > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:12:55 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: I'm back, kinda.. Whoopie First, sorry about cross posting As some of y'all may have noticed, my site has been quiet for about 3 months, no new knives rants or other going ons... Well, I fell down, went boom and trashed what was left of my right knee in mid Feb.. , the sawbones took it off for me, shined 'er up and sewed it back where it belonged (sorta) in March and in the process laid me up about right. Yesterday (5/6) I went back to the shop and did 2 hours worth of work in about 4 (hey, it's a start) and I will continue to be back at the forge 2-3 days a week for awhile at least. It may be awhile before I do any axes, welded hawks and such though. The main reason for this announcement is that if I was supposed to make you something and you haven't heard from me or you inquired about anything and never got an answer PLEASE WRITE ME. I lost a few inquiries, orders and such while I was laid up. I was using a laptop and while transferring stuff, everything went to hell and most of it was zapped into oblivion. Some say it was the Vicodin, but it wasn't, and that is my story and I am sticking to it! Thanks for your continued support. Dennis Miles Gimpy Blacksmith and Janitor "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:18:29 -0600 From: Charlie P Webb Subject: Re: MtMan-List: writer's death Mike, Didn't know Mr. Lavender personally, but am very familiar with his works. He could be considered a national treasure for his knowledge of "Bents Fort" and Colorado in general. He will be missed! Charlie > > Today's Rocky Mountain News showed the obituary of David Lavender. > David was known to us for books like "Bent's Fort" and "A Fist in > the > Wilderness", but he had written close to 40 history books all > together. He died at the age of 93 after a long undisclosed > illiness. > The family said his ashes are to be spread on the ranch land of > western Colorado, which he loved. > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1194 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.