From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1197 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, May 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1197 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping -       MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping& 330's -       Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping -       Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping -       Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping -       MtMan-List:Bull boats -       MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? -       Re: MtMan-List:Bull boats -       Re: MtMan-List:Bull boats -       Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? -       Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon -       Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? -       Re: MtMan-List:Bull boats -       Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon -       Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon -       MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:59:26 +0000 From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping That's ok Monte, any trapper is a good trapper! I would suggest you join and get involved in your local state trapping organization, and the National trappers assn. At least you'l get a couple of good magazines full of info. If you're going to wax those bigger traps, be careful!! It can make them slippery to handle and a bit on the touchy side. Be sure to clear any wax off the dog and pan notch, that will make them less likely to "false fire". In my book there is nothing wrong with using a plain ol 330 conibear too. Quick and deadly. Get yoursely a safety setter for those tough. The main reason for waxing in my book is not for speed or to prevent the trap rusting, its to prevent rust stains on the fur. I dip the holding jaws of my 330s (not the whole trap) just for that purpose. 330 is a great tool, not period correct of course, but I use it for everything from beavers to wolverines and bobcats. It's legal here to use on dry land (with a few loopholes) but check your regs, many places they are not. bb is right about at least about preservig the image of "humaneness" though were going to have to talk about "wire" in long lengths being correct. (I'd let you use it in my camp, but you'd have to sleep off to the side) Modern or period there are a few tricks that you can only learn from experience. Here's a site that might help: http://www.montanatrappers.org/ Good luck >From: "Monte Holder" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:54:25 -0500 > >Just so everybody knows, I wasnt' really interested in trying "primitive >methods" right off. I was just reading up on how one is supposed to do >things and got to wondering about the wax and sliders and all that. > >Monte Holder >Saline Co MO > > > Sean,I would never suggest primitive trapping methods to a beginner > > trapper. I'm pretty sure Monte is new to this. He should first master > > the use of drowner sliders which is almost fail proof. > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:55:00 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping& 330's Sean is correct about wax making some traps too touchy! Too much wax on big double long springs even keeps the trapsprings springing back straight and lifting the free jaw up a little, You know what I mean Sean. Hey Sean, I use speed dip on my 330's to avoid rust stains on the fur. WD-40 sprayed on a dried hide (fur side) and rubbed with a clean clothe will take rust stains off. They sell black and brown speed dip and it also makes the 330's a lot easier to hide! I don't have a problem with 330's I own 40 of them and have set up to 9 on one den to get rid of problem beaver in one night. 330's (or Conibear style humane killer traps) are probably one of the greatest developements in the trap business. Frank Conibear did the world and lots of landowners a big favor by inventing it. I even own two of the 660's Superbears! Bought the kits. Now that is a trap!!! 10"inches high and 25" wide!! They work great for dam spillways and extra wide den entrances. Heavy trap to carry far though. I have ONE big problem with 330's however, they can wreck fur. You'll never get a rub spot on the back of a beaver caught in a foothold set ever! As soon as a 330 gets weak it should have the springs replaced or replace the whole trap itself. Those rub spots can and do knock the pelt down a full grade. Dye and wax is used mostly on land sets where scent is a consideration. The wax also protects the trap from the corrosive antifreeze modern trappers use. Wax and dye is strictly a modern trap method. Capt' Lahti's list of trade supplies he posted showed one shipment of 560 lbs of iron wire. I know I've never read of wire ever being used for trapping but there was 560 lbs of it floating around up there somewhere in just that one shipment. I don't care how the hunter or trapper gets the beaver I just want everybody to get a dead beaver or two in camp for the experience. We can't shoot beaver in Montana either but I know for a fact lots of them get shot. Fish & Duck boys won't get them the landowners will. bb > That's ok Monte, any trapper is a good trapper! I would suggest you join > and > get involved in your local state trapping organization, and the National > trappers assn. At least you'l get a couple of good magazines full of info. > If you're going to wax those bigger traps, be careful!! It can make them > slippery to handle and a bit on the touchy side. Be sure to clear any wax > off the dog and pan notch, that will make them less likely to "false > fire". > In my book there is nothing wrong with using a plain ol 330 conibear too. > Quick and deadly. Get yoursely a safety setter for those tough. The main > reason for waxing in my book is not for speed or to prevent the trap > rusting, its to prevent rust stains on the fur. I dip the holding jaws of > my > 330s (not the whole trap) just for that purpose. 330 is a great tool, not > period corre - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:07:25 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping - --part1_bc.37f1c52b.2bf12ecd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/12/2003 9:00:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, flintlocknfur@hotmail.com writes: > 330 is a great tool, not > period correct of course, but I use it for everything from beavers to > wolverines and bobcats. It would be interesting to see what a wolverine would do to a 330.... I've caught a few and seen them dismantle a #4 longspring. Here's one caught in a lynx set (cubby) with two #3 coil springs, one on the front and one on the back foot. He made about a ten foot crater, a foot deep in frozen ground.... and yes, he is going for my groin. http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/wolverine.jpg Magpie - --part1_bc.37f1c52b.2bf12ecd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/12/2003 9:00:42 AM Pacific Daylig= ht Time, flintlocknfur@hotmail.com writes:

330 is a great tool, not
period correct of course, but I use it for everything from beavers to
wolverines and bobcats.


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Magpie - --part1_bc.37f1c52b.2bf12ecd_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping Magpie, My friend Jim caught two wolverines two winters in a row (we're only allowed one per trapper per year) They were caught in 330's and kicked around a little only. You do have to make sure they are strong (or new) springs on them of course. Jim more than likely had the trigger set dead center for a quick killing neck hold. bb > In a message dated 5/12/2003 9:00:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > flintlocknfur@hotmail.com writes: > >> 330 is a great tool, not >> period correct of course, but I use it for everything from beavers to >> wolverines and bobcats. > > It would be interesting to see what a wolverine would do to a 330.... > I've > caught a few and seen them dismantle a #4 longspring. Here's one caught in > a > lynx set (cubby) with two #3 coil springs, one on the front and one on the > back foot. He made about a ten foot crater, a foot deep in frozen > ground.... > and yes, he is going for my groin. > > HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/wolverine.jpg">http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/wolverine.jpg > > Magpie > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:24:48 +0000 From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping Yup, I've caught them in 330's in a box. Mine were female `35 lbs. I bet it maybe a strech on a big male. I've since modified several 280 magnums with 330 magnum springs. Talk about fast! >From: beaverboy@sofast.net >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: modern vs historic trapping >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT) > >Magpie, > My friend Jim caught two wolverines two winters in a row (we're only >allowed one per trapper per year) They were caught in 330's and kicked >around a little only. You do have to make sure they are strong (or new) >springs on them of course. Jim more than likely had the trigger set >dead center for a quick killing neck hold. > bb > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2003 9:00:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > flintlocknfur@hotmail.com writes: > > > >> 330 is a great tool, not > >> period correct of course, but I use it for everything from beavers to > >> wolverines and bobcats. > > > > It would be interesting to see what a wolverine would do to a 330.... > > I've > > caught a few and seen them dismantle a #4 longspring. Here's one caught >in > > a > > lynx set (cubby) with two #3 coil springs, one on the front and one on >the > > back foot. He made about a ten foot crater, a foot deep in frozen > > ground.... > > and yes, he is going for my groin. > > > > > >HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/wolverine.jpg">http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/wolverine.jpg > > > > Magpie > > > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:11:14 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List:Bull boats Hello the camp Been looking and reading about bull boats some say hair in some out. Anyone have any experience. I think hair in. How about the tallow paste formula for water proofing the sewn seams? Thanks Roadkill - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:58:58 -0400 From: "Tom Roberts" Subject: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? Came across a short (muzzle to breech <20") .62 smoothbore. Hasn't been shot (or cleaned?) in a decade or so. Rusty bore does not appear pitted. I'm interested in hearing any tool/technique recommendations that will offer the possibility of salvage without making matters worse. Tom - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:04:06 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Bull boats Every bull boat I've seen or been around or in has always been hair side out. Shouldn't be too many seams as they are all on top out of the water. Maybe just a bullet hole or two to patch up below the waterline. The tail tells you were the stern is. bb > Hello the camp > Been looking and reading about bull boats some say hair in some out. > Anyone > have any experience. I think hair in. How about the tallow paste formula > for > water proofing the sewn seams? > Thanks Roadkill > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:26:16 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Bull boats I made three of them and it was hair out as shown in several early paintings and drawings by kurz and bodmer joe - -- Please visit our web site @ phone-307-455-2440 fax-307-455-3355 New supply of full and half buffalo hides Lifetime cleaning and reconditioning Elk, deer, cow, buffalo rawhide available - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:46:05 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? Tom, How ya do'in? Best method I've heard of and what I would use is scotch pads. Made of nylon, they can't hurt the bore. Might soak it with some kerosene, etc. and then go to scrubbing. If that don't cut it then go to fine brass wool or even steel wool. I've used steel wool to take the edge off a new barrel to speed breaking and others have too. Just go slow. Might want to unbreech the gun if you can so you can see what your doing. Even a slightly pitted bore will shoot with the right load. Have fun. Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Roberts" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? > Came across a short (muzzle to breech <20") .62 smoothbore. Hasn't been > shot (or cleaned?) in a decade or so. Rusty bore does not appear pitted. > I'm interested in hearing any tool/technique recommendations that will offer > the possibility of salvage without making matters worse. > > Tom > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:38:32 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon > Capt, > > Do share your secrets about the Sasquatch with us....sure hate to run > onto one of those in the woods, glad we don't have em this far inland. Teton, Sorry to be so tardy on this but business matters are pressing. Got busy and caught me a wild bee hive and have spent the past couple weeks trying to make them feel at home. I saw an interesting post from an English friend on another list just the other day. This is part of what he said and what I answered. I missed the previous post about the wood so don't know what kind they were talking about for sure. Sounds like sugar pine. Anyway......... (Robin had this to say) > The timber is no good for outdoor stuff, doesn't last, never heard of > it being > used for gun stocks. Don't those North American Wallahs drink the sap > or something? All sounds rather unhygenic, I suppose they just incise > the bark > and start licking. Eeeeugh Robin, "Eeeeugh" is a matter of taste and upbringing. In the case of our "wallahs" (actually that should be Walla Wallas) they are unique in their physiology. They have an interim stomach that acts like a boiler pan. Very hot temps are concentrated in that first stomach. The result is that the moisture in the sap is driven off until the sap has been reduced to a syrupy consistency and then not only is it quite tasty but much more easily digested in the second stomach. A popular practice with our frontiersmen in early days was to open the second stomach and drink of the freshly made, still undigested sap/syrup. It was also used on Johnny Cakes and in corn meal mush as a sweetener. Many of us "playing the part" have tried it with the few wallahs we've come by and it is sweet but has a funny after taste not unlike beer vomit. Probably the high acid content. It will rust your gun and might be more useful as a browning agent than as pancake syrup. Hope this has been helpful. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What I didn't tell him cause it is a much more closely monitored list, as I said above, they are actually called Walla Wallas out here. He must have the English spelling. They derive their name from their mating practices. The Indians called them that, kinda like "two dogs....." well you get the idea. Anyway you were asking about Sasquatch? We don't do it any more but we used to trap them. Takes skill and knowledge of their behavior practices. There aren't many of them around thus they are lonely creatures, especially the male of the species. They were and are known to gather at the sound of singing and guitar playing as might be found around a camp fire at Rendezvous. We use that against them. First requirement is to set a trap and not just any trap. We have to find four rather large tee pee poles, set them as you would a Black Foot lodge setup and then we make a comfy bed under the quadpod apex. We sling a strong cargo net with a long release rope below the four poles, such that it can be released from a long distance. Sasquatch can be mean when they get tangled up and not only do they make a horrendous noise but let the most disgusting gas you can imagine in this state. With a diet of fir, pine and juniper needles it is something to be up wind of! The bed is scattered with girly mags (they are almost human after all) and we get a couple of new guys to pass the jug and start singing and playing campfire songs near the set. The Hibernates amongst us get to the far end of the release rope and wait. When the singing and playing suddenly stop and we hear the sound of running moccasined feet (two pair each) we count to 30 real slow and all together pull on the rope. If we are successful we can hear the results and smell the results from 5 miles away, which is where all us smart fellas are at. Why catch them? Once tamed they make excellent camp keepers. And we need the extra help cause we don't seem to be able to come up with too many new fellas. Now one of the problems with big sets like the above is that some times we catch what we don't want to catch. Not 200 lb ground squirrels but 200 lb pack rats. They come in for the bedding and litter. Why 200 lbs.? Well we do most of our trapping on or near the Hanford Atomic Energy Res. and all that radiation grows some big creatures. I've seen sturgeon caught from the Col. River there that will go well over 15'. They walk on the water like a tail walking marlin when hooked. The fellas use whole 100 lb salmon for bait. But I digress.. You wanted to know about those big squirrels. Here is a jpg. of one of our recent catches. http://members.aol.com/swcushing/myhomepage/whatitis.jpg Hope it opens fine for you. Best put the kids and the little missus to bed before you open it if you ever expect them to go camping with you again. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2003 23:36:23 -0700 From: "C Krouse" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? 00 steel wool. It will take the rust out and smooth the pit edges. It works like a champ. Blood On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 19:58, Tom Roberts wrote: > Came across a short (muzzle to breech <20") .62 smoothbore. Hasn't been > shot (or cleaned?) in a decade or so. Rusty bore does not appear pitted. > I'm interested in hearing any tool/technique recommendations that will offer > the possibility of salvage without making matters worse. > > Tom > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:57:01 -0600 From: Don Born Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Bull boats Mark, I have seen a couple bull boats and they both have the hair out. The hair helps protect the outside surface of the boat from rocks, etc. Also having the hair inside would make for a continuously wet soggy mess as the hair will get wet just from getting in and out. The boats I have seen are usually made of just one large hide so the problem of sealing seams just isn't there. However, some of the larger canoe like boats trappers were building certainly had to have seams. I think you just did the best you could with pine pitch and tallow. My thoughts on the matter. Don B. MarkLoader@aol.com wrote: > Hello the camp > Been looking and reading about bull boats some say hair in some out. Anyone > have any experience. I think hair in. How about the tallow paste formula for > water proofing the sewn seams? > Thanks Roadkill > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:16:04 GMT From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon My good Capt Lahti, Thanks for the reply. I was reading it with mush interest when I finally got the sneaking suspicion that you were pulling my keg. I was picturing you there sitting on a rock explaining this all matter of factly with a straight face, and me being raised with proper manners was taught to listen to my elders. Anyway, you weave a good and entertaining tale. Hope to hear more at the rendezvous! Teton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:08:06 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon Teton, It was the honest to goodness truth, every word. Pictures at 8:00. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hunters moon > > My good Capt Lahti, > > Thanks for the reply. I was reading it with mush interest when I finally got the sneaking suspicion that you were pulling my keg. I was picturing you there sitting on a rock explaining this all matter of factly with a straight face, and me being raised with proper manners was taught to listen to my elders. > > Anyway, you weave a good and entertaining tale. Hope to hear more at the rendezvous! > > Teton > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:02:43 +0100 From: Wolverine Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed - --------------080700050300070101060708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle? Thinking of getting one for the son in law. Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange. Thanks Wolverine - --------------080700050300070101060708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle?
Thinking of getting one for the son in law.
Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange.
Thanks
Wolverine

 - --------------080700050300070101060708-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:05:13 -0600 From: Charlie P Webb Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? Brownell's carry barrel hones in sizes .410 up, are expensive but do a nice job. C Webb On Mon, 12 May 2003 22:58:58 -0400 "Tom Roberts" writes: > Came across a short (muzzle to breech <20") .62 smoothbore. Hasn't > been > shot (or cleaned?) in a decade or so. Rusty bore does not appear > pitted. > I'm interested in hearing any tool/technique recommendations that > will offer > the possibility of salvage without making matters worse. > > Tom > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:27:28 -0600 From: Charlie P Webb Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_2e4f.2d8f.7deb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of comments, I believe the Lyman GP is a very close clone looks wise to an original Hawken not exact, but with some cosmetic changes one can create a good looking shooter that can cause many "double takes" by viewers out of a production gun. The flint lock version has caused many owners much trouble as the steel (frizzen) is made of the wrong kind of steel. This factor that Lyman refuses to recognize has converted many wannabee flint shooters into the world of percussion.The TC is the same. The cap lock is ok, but I personally hate a coil spring. The RPL locks now available work just fine and spark well. The modification of adding the RPL lock runs the price of the Lyman up close to the price of some custom built guns. Old Coyote Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle? Thinking of getting one for the son in law. Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange. Thanks Wolverine - ----__JNP_000_2e4f.2d8f.7deb Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A couple of comments,
I believe the Lyman GP is a very close clone looks wise to an original= =20 Hawken not exact, but with some cosmetic changes one can create a good = looking=20 shooter  that can cause many "double takes"  by viewers  out= of a=20 production gun.  The flint lock version has caused many owners much = trouble=20 as the steel (frizzen) is made of the wrong kind of steel.  This = factor=20 that Lyman refuses to recognize has converted many wannabee flint shooters = into=20 the world of percussion.The TC is the same.  The cap lock is ok, = but I=20 personally  hate a coil spring.  The RPL locks now available work= just=20 fine and spark well.  The modification of adding the RPL lock runs the= =20 price of the Lyman up  close to the price of some custom built guns.
 
Old Coyote
 
Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains=20 Rifle?
Thinking of getting one for the son in law.
Im told they are= a=20 clone to the TC products, and the locks=20 interchange.
Thanks
Wolverine

 
- ----__JNP_000_2e4f.2d8f.7deb-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:34:35 +0100 From: Wolverine Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed - --------------020805020604010001050405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the advise. But I think the Lyman GPR looks more like the Dimmick lines Im unclear on the RPL lock. As the kit of the Lyman is only $289 in some places. Then the RPL lock? must be a high priced item W Charlie P Webb wrote: > A couple of comments, > > I believe the Lyman GP is a very close clone looks wise to an original > Hawken not exact, but with some cosmetic changes one can create a good > looking shooter that can cause many "double takes" by viewers out > of a production gun. The flint lock version has caused many owners > much trouble as the steel (frizzen) is made of the wrong kind of > steel. This factor that Lyman refuses to recognize has converted many > wannabee flint shooters into the world of percussion.The TC is the > same. The cap lock is ok, but I personally hate a coil spring. The > RPL locks now available work just fine and spark well. The > modification of adding the RPL lock runs the price of the Lyman up > close to the price of some custom built guns. > > > > Old Coyote > > > > Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle? > Thinking of getting one for the son in law. > Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks > interchange. > Thanks > Wolverine > > > - --------------020805020604010001050405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the advise. But I think the Lyman GPR looks more like the Dimmick lines
Im unclear on the RPL lock. As the kit of the Lyman is only $289 in some places.
Then the RPL lock? must be a high priced item
W


Charlie P Webb wrote:
A couple of comments,
I believe the Lyman GP is a very close clone looks wise to an original Hawken not exact, but with some cosmetic changes one can create a good looking shooter  that can cause many "double takes"  by viewers  out of a production gun.  The flint lock version has caused many owners much trouble as the steel (frizzen) is made of the wrong kind of steel.  This factor that Lyman refuses to recognize has converted many wannabee flint shooters into the world of percussion.The TC is the same.  The cap lock is ok, but I personally  hate a coil spring.  The RPL locks now available work just fine and spark well.  The modification of adding the RPL lock runs the price of the Lyman up  close to the price of some custom built guns.
 
Old Coyote
 
Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle?
Thinking of getting one for the son in law.
Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange.
Thanks
Wolverine

 

- --------------020805020604010001050405-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:36:58 EDT From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed - --part1_143.10f5ee49.2bf2cd8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle? They are probably the closest example of an authentic Plains rifle available today commercially. They also have a 1/66 roundball twist, while the TC and others have a 1/48. They are iron mounted instead of brass. The LGP is made for Lyman by Investarms and parts will interchange between them. >Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange Both locks measure 1" x 5" but I believe there are subtle differences in design would would prevent drop-in interchange. - --part1_143.10f5ee49.2bf2cd8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Any one have any thoughts on the Le= man Great Plains Rifle?

They are probably the closest example of an authentic Plains rifle available= today commercially.  They also have a 1/66 roundball twist, while the=20= TC and others have a 1/48.  They are iron mounted instead of brass.&nbs= p; The LGP is made for Lyman by Investarms and parts will interchange betwee= n them.

>Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange
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