From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1198 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, May 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1198 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed -       MtMan-List: Mountain men and Mendocino National Forest -       Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? -       MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions -       MtMan-List: Hevi shot... -       Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:52:13 -0700 From: "Bear Kelsey" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C31970.00998B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle? Thinking of getting one for the son in law. Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks interchange. Thanks Wolverine I am a dyed in the wool "Lyman" fan. I have been shooting them for = nearly 20 years and have yet to have a misfire or hang fire. I have both = the Great Plains and also a Trade Rifle in .54 caliber. I use a .530 = round ball with spit patch and pillow ticking in both guns. The trade = rifle shoots quite well with 50 grains 2FF up to about 75 yds., then I = go to 70 grains 2FF. The same for the Great Plains, except at 100 yds. = it seems to do better with 90 grains 2FF than 70. The best part is that = I can shoot all day and not have to stop and swab the barrel because it = is to dirty to load. I highly recommend "Lyman" "Two Bears" - ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C31970.00998B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains=20 Rifle?
Thinking of getting one for the son in law.
Im told they = are a=20 clone to the TC products, and the locks=20 interchange.
Thanks
Wolverine
 
I am a dyed in the wool "Lyman" fan. I have been = shooting them=20 for nearly 20 years and have yet to have a misfire or hang fire. I have = both the=20 Great Plains and also a Trade Rifle in .54 caliber. I use a .530 round = ball with=20 spit patch and pillow ticking in both guns. The trade rifle shoots quite = well=20 with 50 grains 2FF up to about 75 yds., then I go to 70 grains 2FF. The = same for=20 the Great Plains, except at 100 yds. it seems to do better with 90 = grains 2FF=20 than 70. The best part is that I can shoot all day and not have to stop = and swab=20 the barrel because it is to dirty to load. I highly recommend=20 "Lyman"
 
"Two Bears"
- ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C31970.00998B00-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:04:30 -0400 From: "Ikon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31993.3F66E260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolverine, My thoughts are that you can't go wrong. I currently own two; one is a = full size 50 cal. and the other is a 50 cal. carbine. Both are cap = guns, the full size will be converted to flint when I get a chance. I have only had one shot that did not fire. My fault, I kept the gun = loaded for a week and moisture got in the nipple. Won't do that again. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bear Kelsey=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great Plains Rifle? Thinking of getting one for the son in law. Im told they are a clone to the TC products, and the locks = interchange. Thanks Wolverine =20 I am a dyed in the wool "Lyman" fan. I have been shooting them for = nearly 20 years and have yet to have a misfire or hang fire. I have both = the Great Plains and also a Trade Rifle in .54 caliber. I use a .530 = round ball with spit patch and pillow ticking in both guns. The trade = rifle shoots quite well with 50 grains 2FF up to about 75 yds., then I = go to 70 grains 2FF. The same for the Great Plains, except at 100 yds. = it seems to do better with 90 grains 2FF than 70. The best part is that = I can shoot all day and not have to stop and swab the barrel because it = is to dirty to load. I highly recommend "Lyman" =20 "Two Bears" - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31993.3F66E260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wolverine,
 
My thoughts are that you can't go wrong.  I = currently=20 own two; one is a full size 50 cal. and the other is a 50 cal. = carbine. =20 Both are cap guns, the full size will be converted to flint when I get a = chance.
 
I have only had one shot that did not = fire.  My=20 fault, I kept the gun loaded for a week and moisture got in the = nipple. =20 Won't do that again.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bear Kelsey=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 = 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman = Products=20 info needed

Any one have any thoughts on the Leman Great = Plains=20 Rifle?
Thinking of getting one for the son in law.
Im told they = are a=20 clone to the TC products, and the locks=20 interchange.
Thanks
Wolverine
 
I am a dyed in the wool "Lyman" fan. I have been = shooting=20 them for nearly 20 years and have yet to have a misfire or hang fire. = I have=20 both the Great Plains and also a Trade Rifle in .54 caliber. I use a = .530=20 round ball with spit patch and pillow ticking in both guns. The trade = rifle=20 shoots quite well with 50 grains 2FF up to about 75 yds., then I go to = 70=20 grains 2FF. The same for the Great Plains, except at 100 yds. it seems = to do=20 better with 90 grains 2FF than 70. The best part is that I can shoot = all day=20 and not have to stop and swab the barrel because it is to dirty to = load. I=20 highly recommend "Lyman"
 
"Two = Bears"
- ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31993.3F66E260-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:41:24 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3197F.414CD080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolverine, It's the same old story of something being too good to be true. The gun = is a good gun for a production gun but as has been said, the lock is not = the best with it's coil spring and wrong frizzen steel. The touch hole = liner in a flinter tends to foul easily causing missfires. The style is = similar to the Plains rifle if not close to the Hawken. All this can be = fixed but at what price and what skill level if you do it yourself. If = you have some skills you can make it into a great reliable shooter in = the style of the 1840's.=20 Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3197F.414CD080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wolverine,
 
It's the same old story of something = being too good=20 to be true. The gun is a good gun for a production gun but as has been = said, the=20 lock is not the best with it's coil spring and wrong frizzen steel. The = touch=20 hole liner in a flinter tends to foul easily causing missfires. The = style is=20 similar to the Plains rifle if not close to the Hawken. All this can be = fixed=20 but at what price and what skill level if you do it yourself. If you = have some=20 skills you can make it into a great reliable shooter in the style of the = 1840's.=20
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C3197F.414CD080-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:27:38 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3199E.DC4E9310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several years ago I knew a rookie black powder shooter whose brother in = law gave him a Lyman percussion rifle and about 2 minutes of instruction = about its care and feeding. I was on the firing line with him and, = along with everybody else, noticed a really odd sound when he shot the = rifle....a .45cal. After the third weird shot he said some unkind = things about the gun. Seems the nipple was missing. A little Q & A = determined that he had not paid close attention to his brother in law = and was charging the gun with about 50 grains of ffff powder instead of = ff. Everybody there agreed that the neophyte was lucky to have both = eyeballs and all his other parts as well. The Lyman proved to be strong = enough to weather the storm of a very hot load with only the loss of the = nipple. Some modern repo "Hawken" guns have their styling drawbacks but = most are at least sturdy, safe guns. If they are all you purse can = afford then do what you have to do. Just stay away from really cheap = guns. You shouldn't shoot them and most are too ugly to be "wall = hangers". I shot a TC "Hawken" until I could afford a good custom gun = and have never regretted the expense....especially after I sold the T C = for a little more than I had spent on it in the first place. Lanney ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products info needed Wolverine, It's the same old story of something being too good to be true. The = gun is a good gun for a production gun but as has been said, the lock is = not the best with it's coil spring and wrong frizzen steel. The touch = hole liner in a flinter tends to foul easily causing missfires. The = style is similar to the Plains rifle if not close to the Hawken. All = this can be fixed but at what price and what skill level if you do it = yourself. If you have some skills you can make it into a great reliable = shooter in the style of the 1840's.=20 Capt. Lahti' - ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3199E.DC4E9310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several years ago I knew a = rookie black=20 powder shooter whose brother in law gave him a Lyman percussion rifle = and about=20 2 minutes of instruction about its care and feeding.  I was on the = firing=20 line with him and, along with everybody else, noticed a really odd sound = when he=20 shot the rifle....a .45cal.  After the third weird shot he said = some unkind=20 things about the gun.  Seems the nipple was missing.  A little = Q &=20 A determined that he had not paid close attention to his brother in law = and was=20 charging the gun with about 50 grains of ffff powder instead of=20 ff.  Everybody there agreed that the neophyte was lucky = to have=20 both eyeballs and all his other parts as well.  The Lyman proved to = be=20 strong enough to weather the storm of a very hot load with only the loss = of the=20 nipple.  Some modern repo "Hawken" guns have their styling = drawbacks but=20 most are at least sturdy, safe guns.  If they are all you purse can = afford=20 then do what you have to do.  Just stay away from really cheap = guns.  You shouldn't shoot them and most are too ugly to be = "wall=20 hangers".  I shot a TC "Hawken" until I could afford a good custom = gun and=20 have never regretted the expense....especially after I sold the T C for = a little=20 more than I had spent on it in the first place.
Lanney
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger lahti=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 = 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman = Products=20 info needed

Wolverine,
 
It's the same old story of something = being too=20 good to be true. The gun is a good gun for a production gun but as has = been=20 said, the lock is not the best with it's coil spring and wrong frizzen = steel.=20 The touch hole liner in a flinter tends to foul easily causing = missfires. The=20 style is similar to the Plains rifle if not close to the Hawken. All = this can=20 be fixed but at what price and what skill level if you do it yourself. = If you=20 have some skills you can make it into a great reliable shooter in the = style of=20 the 1840's.
 
Capt. Lahti'
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3199E.DC4E9310-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:42:07 EDT From: Huntjanin@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain men and Mendocino National Forest Dear list members, I'm just beginning work on a book about the history of the Mendocino National Forest, which is located in the coastal mountains of northern California , i.e., generally east and northeast of Ukiah, CA. I'd like to know from list members whether there is any record of mountain men visiting this area. An annotated 1839 map I have seen shows that in 1827 Jedddiah Smith traveled north up the Sacramento Valley toward the Columbia River. This route, however, kept him in the valley, east of what is now the National Forest. Is there any evidence that Smith -- or any other mountain man -- crossed or explored this forest? Best, Hunt Janin - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:13:56 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Hone? tom get yourself a 7/16 dowell take a hack saw and cut a slot in it about 2 blades wide---take green scowerbrights 220 grit and or black scowerbrights 180 grit and cut into strips about 2" wide slid them in the slot and get a battery drill and some wd 40 or ballistall and hone away---then go to the marone scowerbright about 400 grit to finish it out---keep the drill moving up and down the smoothbore all the time and will clean it out good be smooth and not create problems with the bore---I dont recomend reaming if not the last option---the hones are nice but only if the botre is in real bad shape---look back i gave the brownell part numbers for them a while back---with the brownell hone you need a extension which you will have to make and plan on a couple of sets of stones worst case---start with the 120 grit then graduate to the 320 grit then to the 400 or to the maroon scowerbright---forget the steel woll what a mess---the brass woll is good to remove surfsce rust and to maintain the original patenia or finish on the outside---but spray it with wd40 or ballistall before you start---wipe the surface down with a rig rag when done and you should be in good shape inside and out--- I am not a steel woll fan as it gets down into the breech and is a lot of fun trying to get it out---use plenty of lube in the bore and on the scowerbrite---will make that smoothy smooth as can be just a couple of hrs work--- HAWK On Mon, 12 May 2003 22:58:58 -0400 "Tom Roberts" writes: > Came across a short (muzzle to breech <20") .62 smoothbore. Hasn't > been > shot (or cleaned?) in a decade or so. Rusty bore does not appear > pitted. > I'm interested in hearing any tool/technique recommendations that > will offer > the possibility of salvage without making matters worse. > > Tom ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:05:53 +0100 From: Wolverine Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions - --------------080201070601040104080103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all for the input on the Lyman GPR...{Lyman Products} I must say Im rather undecided at present. I called TVM today and spoke with them at length... As I desire a flinter in the Lyman and need 15 in pull, It might be the better way to go. The kit as Im told is inletted for barrel and lock plate and ramrod channel. It already has the premium barrel and the L&R lock.. At $510 for the full kit with premium parts , it might be the way to go. I was quoted a price of $370 for the Leman in already built from a dealer, plus $15 for shipping. So at present, still thinking.. Although the Lyman Products rifle is ready to go and shoot. the TVM has better parts Is anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles??? in kit form? Thanks for all the input to all !!! Wolverine - --------------080201070601040104080103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all for the input on the Lyman GPR...{Lyman Products} I must say Im rather
undecided at present.
I called TVM today and spoke with them at length...
As I desire a flinter in the Lyman and need 15 in pull, It might be the better way to go.
The kit as Im told is inletted for barrel and lock plate and ramrod channel.
It already has the premium barrel and the L&R lock..
At $510 for the full kit with premium parts , it might be the way to go.
I was quoted a price of $370 for the Leman in already built from a dealer, plus $15 for shipping.

So at present, still thinking.. Although the Lyman Products rifle is ready to go and shoot.
the TVM has better parts
Is anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles??? in kit form?
Thanks for all the input to all !!!
Wolverine
 - --------------080201070601040104080103-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:29:23 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions - --part1_182.1afb971f.2bf42b53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2003 3:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wolverine1@aaahawk.com writes: > anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles QUALITY products; GREAT people; GOOD prices. Who could ask for anything more? ;) Barney - --part1_182.1afb971f.2bf42b53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/14/200= 3 3:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wolverine1@aaahawk.com writes:


anyone got thoughts on TVM r= ifles


QUALITY products; GREAT people; GOOD prices. Who could ask for anything more= ?  ;)

Barney - --part1_182.1afb971f.2bf42b53_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:51:32 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions Lyman will probably ship to you when they receive the order. TVM told my I'd have to wait up to a year for my KIT! Pecatonica shipped my kit to me in less than 3 weeks and I was very pleased with it. Who could ask for anything more? A reasonable delivery time would be nice. You better ask them when they can get the kit to you first unless you don't mind forgetting all about what you ordered. I'd even have them check to see if the parts are actually IN STOCK before they say they can ship it promptly. Good Luck. bb >> anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles > > QUALITY products; GREAT people; GOOD prices. Who could ask for anything > more? > ;) > > Barney > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:51:32 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions Lyman will probably ship to you when they receive the order. TVM told my I'd have to wait up to a year for my KIT! Pecatonica shipped my kit to me in less than 3 weeks and I was very pleased with it. Who could ask for anything more? A reasonable delivery time would be nice. You better ask them when they can get the kit to you first unless you don't mind forgetting all about what you ordered. I'd even have them check to see if the parts are actually IN STOCK before they say they can ship it promptly. Good Luck. bb >> anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles > > QUALITY products; GREAT people; GOOD prices. Who could ask for anything > more? > ;) > > Barney > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:00:18 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions Sorry about the double post. I know I only click on send once. What should I expect from a thousand dollar computer? In the words of the infamous Rod Douglas, "Don't go cheap on a flintlock, you'll be sorry". He's right too. bb > Lyman will probably ship to you when they receive the order. TVM told my > I'd have to wait up to a year for my KIT! > > Pecatonica shipped my kit to me in less than 3 weeks and I was very > pleased with it. > Who could ask for anything more? A reasonable delivery time would be > nice. You better ask them when they can get the kit to you first unless > you don't mind forgetting all about what you ordered. I'd even have them > check to see if the parts are actually IN STOCK before they say they can > ship it promptly. Good Luck. > bb > > > > > > >>> anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles >> >> QUALITY products; GREAT people; GOOD prices. Who could ask for anything >> more? >> ;) >> >> Barney >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:10:55 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions - --part1_7c.3916dbc8.2bf4431f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/14/2003 6:02:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beaverboy@sofast.net writes: > A reasonable delivery time would be nice Definitely one of the considerations in choosing a semi custom or custom gun vs. production stuff. No question that Lyman's shoot fine, but IMO the form, fit & finish doesn't compare to TVM, Jackie Brown, etc. Barney - --part1_7c.3916dbc8.2bf4431f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 5/14/200= 3 6:02:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beaverboy@sofast.net writes:


A reasonable delivery time woul= d be nice


Definitely one of the considerations in choosing a semi custom or custom gun= vs. production stuff.  No question that Lyman's shoot fine, but IMO th= e form, fit & finish doesn't compare to TVM, Jackie Brown, etc.

Barney - --part1_7c.3916dbc8.2bf4431f_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:38:54 -0400 From: "Ikon" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though still questions This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31A61.37AF6FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check for Lyman GPR kits. If I remember, I saw them in the 298.00 range = awhile back in the white.. Frank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wolverine=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Products {thanks for the input} though = still questions Thanks to all for the input on the Lyman GPR...{Lyman Products} I must = say Im rather undecided at present. I called TVM today and spoke with them at length... As I desire a flinter in the Lyman and need 15 in pull, It might be = the better way to go. The kit as Im told is inletted for barrel and lock plate and ramrod = channel. It already has the premium barrel and the L&R lock.. At $510 for the full kit with premium parts , it might be the way to = go. I was quoted a price of $370 for the Leman in already built from a = dealer, plus $15 for shipping. So at present, still thinking.. Although the Lyman Products rifle is = ready to go and shoot. the TVM has better parts Is anyone got thoughts on TVM rifles??? in kit form? Thanks for all the input to all !!! Wolverine - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31A61.37AF6FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check for Lyman GPR kits.  If I = remember, I=20 saw them in the 298.00 range awhile back in the white..
 
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wolverine
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 = 6:05=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman = Products=20 {thanks for the input} though still questions

Thanks to all for the input on the Lyman = GPR...{Lyman=20 Products} I must say Im rather
undecided at present.
I called = TVM today=20 and spoke with them at length...
As I desire a flinter in the Lyman = and=20 need 15 in pull, It might be the better way to go.
The kit as Im = told is=20 inletted for barrel and lock plate and ramrod channel.
It already = has the=20 premium barrel and the L&R lock..
At $510 for the full kit with = premium=20 parts , it might be the way to go.
I was quoted a price of $370 for = the=20 Leman in already built from a dealer, plus $15 for shipping.

So = at=20 present, still thinking.. Although the Lyman Products rifle is ready = to go and=20 shoot.
the TVM has better parts
Is anyone got thoughts on TVM = rifles???=20 in kit form?
Thanks for all the input to all=20 !!!
Wolverine
 - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C31A61.37AF6FA0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:43:03 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... - --part1_b8.401c3e91.2bf474d7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone loaded any of the "hevi" shot in a M/L shotgun yet? ...and if so, what do ya think of it? Both my 12ga double shotguns have Damascus barrels, and I'm a little reluctant to use anything other than lead. My next best friend and duck and goose hunting buddy sez the hevi shot is nearly as soft as lead and maybe even heavier. Should be OK in my guns. I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next fall with this guy.... Magpie - --part1_b8.401c3e91.2bf474d7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone loaded any of the "hevi" shot in a M/L shot= gun yet? ...and if so, what do ya think of it? Both my 12ga double shotguns=20= have Damascus barrels, and I'm a little reluctant to use anything other than= lead.

My next best friend and duck and goose hunting buddy <he's actually the g= uy that did the research and wrote the paper that stopped the use of lead sh= ot on water fowl- a federal biologist> sez the hevi shot is nearly as sof= t as lead and maybe even heavier. Should be OK in my guns.

I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next fall with this guy....

Magpie



 - --part1_b8.401c3e91.2bf474d7_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:45:44 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C31A6A.8DC30650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crawdad got some so we could hunt on wet lands up by Sunnyside in a shot = restricted area. Haven't done it yet but since it is softer than lead = there should be no problem. We'll likely use it in shot cartridges = anyway with our front stuffers. Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SWcushing@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Hevi shot... Has anyone loaded any of the "hevi" shot in a M/L shotgun yet? ...and = if so, what do ya think of it? Both my 12ga double shotguns have = Damascus barrels, and I'm a little reluctant to use anything other than = lead. My next best friend and duck and goose hunting buddy sez the hevi shot is = nearly as soft as lead and maybe even heavier. Should be OK in my guns. I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next fall with this guy.... Magpie - ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C31A6A.8DC30650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crawdad got some so we could hunt on = wet lands up=20 by Sunnyside in a shot restricted area. Haven't done it yet but since it = is=20 softer than lead there should be no problem. We'll likely use it in shot = cartridges anyway with our front stuffers.
 
Capt. L
 
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Subject: MtMan-List: Hevi = shot...

Has anyone loaded any of the "hevi" shot in a M/L = shotgun=20 yet? ...and if so, what do ya think of it? Both my 12ga double = shotguns have=20 Damascus barrels, and I'm a little reluctant to use anything other = than=20 lead.

My next best friend and duck and goose hunting buddy = <he's=20 actually the guy that did the research and wrote the paper that = stopped the=20 use of lead shot on water fowl- a federal biologist> sez the hevi = shot is=20 nearly as soft as lead and maybe even heavier. Should be OK in my=20 guns.

I plan on terrorizing the Pacific Flyway next fall with = this=20 = guy....

Magpie



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