Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse
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Thank you so much, Jim Hardee,
I am a novelist, beginning research on that time and place. My book is =
not about the mountain men in general, but about something specific that =
happens to one of them. However, I like to be as authentic as possible =
and to take no more poetic license than I have to. I will definitely go =
to the site you recommend.
Much appreciation,
Dorothy Morris, Santa Clarita, CA
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse
You will find numerous mention of feeding cottonwood bark to horses. =
Besides Leonard, Osbourne Russell also comes to mind. Another good =
reference is William Ashley. In his lengthy letter to General Henry =
Atkinson (often referred to as Ashley's narrative) you will find several =
passages that mention feeding sweet cottonwood bark to horses. Ashley =
also differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. =
He describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet bark =
as the narrow leafed tree. This is a contrast between the populus =
angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. =
Ashley claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where to be found in the =
mountains and most of his references occur while on the prairie.
Harrison Dale's book, "The Ashley/Smith Explorations and the Discovery =
of a Central Route to the Pacific, 1822-1829" (published by Arthur Clark =
Company, Glendale, CA 1941) has recently been reprinted by either =
Oklahoma or Nebraska press. But you can also go on-line to =
http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html. At this site you will =
find Russel, the Ashley narrative and many other reference sources. You =
can download them and do a search for "cottonwood" which will bring you =
to these citations.
Let me know if I can help in any other way.
Jim Hardee, AMM #1676
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Thank you so much, Jim Hardee,
I am a novelist, beginning research on that time and place. My book =
is not=20
about the mountain men in general, but about something specific that =
happens to=20
one of them. However, I like to be as authentic as possible and to take =
no more=20
poetic license than I have to. I will definitely go to the site =
you=20
recommend.
Much appreciation,
Dorothy Morris, Santa Clarita, CA
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Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 =
8:27 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: =
Mountain Man's=20
horse
You will find numerous mention of feeding =
cottonwood bark=20
to horses. Besides Leonard, Osbourne Russell also comes to mind. =
Another good=20
reference is William Ashley. In his lengthy letter to General Henry =
Atkinson=20
(often referred to as Ashley's narrative) you will find several =
passages that=20
mention feeding sweet cottonwood bark to horses. Ashley also =
differentiates=20
between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. He describes the =
bitter=20
bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet bark as the narrow leafed=20
tree. This is a contrast between the populus angustifolia =
(bitter) and=20
the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. Ashley claims that the sweet =
cottonwood is no where to be found in the mountains and most of his =
references=20
occur while on the prairie.
Harrison Dale's book, "The =
Ashley/Smith=20
Explorations and the Discovery of a Central Route to the Pacific, =
1822-1829"=20
(published by Arthur Clark Company, Glendale, CA 1941) has recently =
been=20
reprinted by either Oklahoma or Nebraska press. But you can also go =
on-line to=20
http://www.xmis=
sion.com/~drudy/mtman/mmarch.html.=20
At this site you will find Russel, the Ashley narrative and many other =
reference sources. You can download them and do a search for =
"cottonwood"=20
which will bring you to these citations.
Let me know if I can =
help in=20
any other way.
Jim Hardee, AMM=20
#1676
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:08:41 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Bull elk ivory
Hello the Camp
I need some pairs of bull elk ivory for Indian articles anyone have any they
would part with. Need to be bull not cow and complete with root.
Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:38:52 -0600
From: Dennis Knapp
Subject: MtMan-List: Canoe trip on the Missouri, August
In August the boys ( ages 12 & 15) and I are going to canoe Holter Lake on the Missouri from the dam to the Upper Holter Lake boat launch. We will pass through the Gates of the Mountain. We plan on 3 days on the river. It is only 20 plus miles,
but we are pilgrams regarding canoes and plan to do lots of stopping and playing and fishing along the way. If anyone is interested in joining us, you are more than welcome to do so. Put in date Friday, 08/22 am., take out Monday, 08/25 pm.
Contact me at ... sticher@ktft38.com or 208-543-8859 evenings. Any ideas or suggestions from someone who has made this trip would be appreciated too.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
Southern Idaho
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:25:51 -0500
From: John Dearing
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canoe trip on the Missouri, August
>I would suggest that you read a book and view a video or two on canoeing,
>before making your trip. I don't know what kinds of water conditions you
>will encounter on your trip, but the video,
Guide to canoeing from L.L. Bean ; A Friendship II production, is probably
the best instructional video on the market. A local library might have it.
Also the book, "Path of the paddle" / Bill Mason is probably the best
instructional book available, also probably available through a local library.
If you are novice canoeist this book and video will give you a place to
start learning canoeing skills that will make this, and other canoe trips
much more enjoyable, and allot safer.
Have fun on your trip.
J.D.
>but we are pilgrams regarding canoes and plan to do lots of stopping and
>playing and fishing along the way. If anyone is interested in joining us,
>you are more than welcome to do so. Put in date Friday, 08/22 am., take
>out Monday, 08/25 pm.
>Contact me at ... sticher@ktft38.com or 208-543-8859 evenings. Any ideas
>or suggestions from someone who has made this trip would be appreciated too.
>Regards,
>Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
>Southern Idaho
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Sega
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man's horse
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Just a little Clarification. I was looking at what you wrote and got a little perplexed. Didn't ashley state that the round leaved variety (angulata or deltoides) was sweet and the narrow leaf (angustifolia) was bitter?
Casapy123@aol.com wrote:
........ Ashley also differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. He describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet bark as the narrow leafed tree. This is a contrast between the populus angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. Ashley claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where to be found in the mountains and most of his references occur while on the prairie.
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Just a little Clarification. I was looking at what you wrote and got a little perplexed. Didn't ashley state that the round leaved variety (angulata or deltoides) was sweet and the narrow leaf (angustifolia) was bitter?
Casapy123@aol.com wrote:
........ Ashley also differentiates between the sweet and bitter variety of cottonwood. He describes the bitter bark as the round-leafed tree and the sweet bark as the narrow leafed tree. This is a contrast between the populus angustifolia (bitter) and the populus angulata (sweet) cottonwoods. Ashley claims that the sweet cottonwood is no where to be found in the mountains and most of his references occur while on the prairie.