From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1220 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, August 4 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1220 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: Happy Birtday Fort Hall -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       MtMan-List: Update -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:52:02 -0400 From: "David Brown" Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters In our black powder club, we have a station on our woods walk where we routinely shoot at a deer silhouette at about 150 yards. It gets hit a lot. It would be some darn good shootin' to call a neck shot at 120, but not so outrageous that it's ridiculous. Hell. it's a novel. Leave it in. That'll be 2¢, please. db David Brown and Kristin Poulsen Wollendael 4419 Gore-Subligna Rd. Summerville, GA 30747 talikoga@earthlink.net www.2crows2.com "There ain't but two ways of dealin' with women . and nobody knows what they are!" - --Judge Homer Burnaby - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:03:27 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters - --part1_122.250a099c.2c5ee0af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/2003 9:36:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, beb1@sisna.com writes: > I wanted to let the reader > know that Zack was a good shot. > Hell.... if Zack is gonna be a hero in the book, 120 yards ain't nuthin! Magpie - --part1_122.250a099c.2c5ee0af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/2/2003 9:36:34 PM Pacific Dayligh= t Time, beb1@sisna.com writes:

I wanted to let the reader
know that Zack was a good shot.


Hell.... if Zack is gonna be a hero in the book, 120 yards ain't nuthin!

Magpie - --part1_122.250a099c.2c5ee0af_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:28:29 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters - --part1_129.2f14bb11.2c5ee68d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have taken Elk with a .54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out but it is not a supper shot to make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make it. Some times ya just can't get as close as you would like and ya have to reach out and take the shot ya get. That is if ya want to make meat and be able to eat. I all ways use a rest when possible when shooting at game off hand is for the fireing rang. Crazy Cyot - --part1_129.2f14bb11.2c5ee68d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have taken Elk with a .= 54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out but it is not a supper shot to= make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make it. Some times ya just can't get as=20= close as you would like and ya have to reach out and take the shot ya get. T= hat is if ya want to make meat and be able to eat. I all ways use a rest whe= n possible when shooting at game off hand is for the fireing rang.
Crazy Cyot - --part1_129.2f14bb11.2c5ee68d_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:52:10 EDT From: IamSF5@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Happy Birtday Fort Hall Hi Men/Ladies on the list. My name is Bob from Lawrenceville,NJ I had a love for the outdoors and historic sites since I was able to walk then got involved in wilderness and primitive skills. I reall enjoy the post I read although I lurk a lot because i'm on other list (Ham Radio) and other survival list. I saw the post where others were asking for BP shooters. Thats funny because almost every ham operator I know from Bordentown shoots BP on a regulator basis. The sad part is the rather discuss it via the air waves then the list. ===================================================== On another topic I also like to explore and locate forgotten rail lines. I picked up a topo map and located one just a few miles from here. The tracks are gone but you can see where they ran. 2 Miles down the road from me is a cemetery where the Black Soldiers are buried. The area got really run down and the Town locals got together and fixed it up nice. Also on that spot is the big home that was the half way house where the wagons dropped off troops, supplies and people. It's appx half way between Phila,PA and NY City. I guess I just happened to be gifted. When i'm in the woods my sub conscience mind just goes into auto mode. Sure wish I could turn back the clock. Bob Some people get wet while others feel the rain. www.angelfire.com/nj4/rescue/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:00:04 -0600 From: Allen Hall Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Capt. Lahti, I really like your writing! When's your book coming out!!!! Waiting for more, Allen At 11:07 AM 8/3/2003 -0700, you wrote: >It's your story Ben and you can tell it anyway you want. I wouldn't be >surprised to hear old Sol lay into Zack "for makin' a damned fool shot that >might have wounded or missed when meat is what we wanted not target >practice!" > >The reason Sol got upset with what he though was a spine shot was that it >would have ruined some fine backstrap eating even though it surely brought >down the deer. > >Sol might have concluded with something like, > > "Dang it son, if your gonna learn the ways of the mountains your gonna have >to start listening to what your told and thinkin' about what your do'in and >why. Sure you hit it in the neck and that's bragg'in rights back in Ohio. >That little buck would have gone down just as fast with a shot through the >lights like I told ya to do." > >"Out here it's go'in hungry if ya miss or have'in ta throw out a second shot >if you just cut a couple inches low. That second shot might pinpoint our >location to Bugg's Boys. Then our worries about dinner will vanish along >with our scalps!" > >Damned green horns!" Sol muttered to himself as he walked off. It wasn't >safe to be around these fellas but how to give them the slip? That wouldn't >be right either, leaving them out here along. Sol just shook his head and >wished he wasn't out of whisky. He surely needed a drink about now. > >Our Story Continues....................... > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ben" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:41 PM >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > > >> Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a >little >> background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his >> brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They >> were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told >> Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck >dropped >> immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke >> his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't >like >> to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out >> Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the >reader >> know that Zack was a good shot. >> It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree >> and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any >> special load >> Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung >> shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a >> neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim >behind >> the front leg. >> Thanks again, Ben >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Allen Hall" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters >> >> >> > Hi Ben, >> > >> > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when >the >> > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means >> > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at >that >> > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into >the >> > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for >the >> > neck at that distance by any means. >> > >> > Good luck with your book! >> > >> > Allen Hall >> > >From Fort Hall country >> > >> > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >> > >Hello the camp, >> > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. >> > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn >buck >> > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is >way >> to >> > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main >> > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, >> > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. >> > > >> > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the >> yardage >> > down? >> > > >> > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? >> > > >> > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a >ten >> > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by >> much. >> > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch >> > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state >> > championship one year. >> > > >> > >Your help is appreciated. >> > >Thanks, Ben< >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:09:34 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C359EA.64DD4D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crazy, Was it a neck shot? Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters I have taken Elk with a .54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out = but it is not a supper shot to make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make = it. Some times ya just can't get as close as you would like and ya have = to reach out and take the shot ya get. That is if ya want to make meat = and be able to eat. I all ways use a rest when possible when shooting at = game off hand is for the fireing rang.=20 Crazy Cyot - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C359EA.64DD4D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Crazy,
 
Was it a neck shot?
 
Capt. L
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From:=20 GazeingCyot@cs.com
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

I have = taken Elk with a=20 .54 at 120 or so yards before it is a ways out but it is not a supper = shot to=20 make. I used 110 grains of FFF to make it. Some times ya just can't = get as=20 close as you would like and ya have to reach out and take the shot ya = get.=20 That is if ya want to make meat and be able to eat. I all ways use a = rest when=20 possible when shooting at game off hand is for the fireing rang. =
Crazy=20 Cyot - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C359EA.64DD4D30-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:57:43 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters - --part1_1c9.d6dfe0d.2c5f1797_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Capt. Lahti Heck no I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was through the lights where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them that are in it for the sport not for the making of meat. (G) Crazy Cyot - --part1_1c9.d6dfe0d.2c5f1797_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Capt. Lahti
Heck no I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was throug= h the lights where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them that are i= n it for the sport not for the making of meat. (G)
Crazy Cyot
- --part1_1c9.d6dfe0d.2c5f1797_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:48:49 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Maybe that's my calling. Everyone else is writing a book these days, maybe I should too! My hat is off to anyone who takes up that challenge. I'm sure it's a lot harder than one might perceive. A few lines does not a Tom Clancy make. Good luck with your book Ben. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > Capt. Lahti, > > I really like your writing! When's your book coming out!!!! > > Waiting for more, > > Allen > > > At 11:07 AM 8/3/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >It's your story Ben and you can tell it anyway you want. I wouldn't be > >surprised to hear old Sol lay into Zack "for makin' a damned fool shot that > >might have wounded or missed when meat is what we wanted not target > >practice!" > > > >The reason Sol got upset with what he though was a spine shot was that it > >would have ruined some fine backstrap eating even though it surely brought > >down the deer. > > > >Sol might have concluded with something like, > > > > "Dang it son, if your gonna learn the ways of the mountains your gonna have > >to start listening to what your told and thinkin' about what your do'in and > >why. Sure you hit it in the neck and that's bragg'in rights back in Ohio. > >That little buck would have gone down just as fast with a shot through the > >lights like I told ya to do." > > > >"Out here it's go'in hungry if ya miss or have'in ta throw out a second shot > >if you just cut a couple inches low. That second shot might pinpoint our > >location to Bugg's Boys. Then our worries about dinner will vanish along > >with our scalps!" > > > >Damned green horns!" Sol muttered to himself as he walked off. It wasn't > >safe to be around these fellas but how to give them the slip? That wouldn't > >be right either, leaving them out here along. Sol just shook his head and > >wished he wasn't out of whisky. He surely needed a drink about now. > > > >Our Story Continues....................... > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ben" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 10:41 PM > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > > > > > >> Thanks everyone for your imput. I appreciate it. Let me give you a > >little > >> background on this scene in the story. The main character, Zack, and his > >> brother Danny were trailing along with an old mountainman named Sol. They > >> were coming down off the mountain when Sol spotted a little buck and told > >> Zack to shoot it "right behind the front leg" when he shot the buck > >dropped > >> immediately and Sol shook his head in disgust saying "Shot to high...broke > >> his back." Zack then told him no he'd shot for the neck cause he didn't > >like > >> to chase his dinner clear off the mountain. Then when they cleaned it out > >> Sol checked to make sure it was hit in the neck. I wanted to let the > >reader > >> know that Zack was a good shot. > >> It was .50 caliber, flintlock, shot from a dead rest over a limb of a tree > >> and he'd been practicing and knew where his rifle shot. I didn't say any > >> special load > >> Personally, if it were me hunting with BP I'd probably try the heart/lung > >> shot. Now if I had my 7mm and it was just a small buck I might try for a > >> neck shot out to 200 yards or so. If it was a nice buck I always aim > >behind > >> the front leg. > >> Thanks again, Ben > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Allen Hall" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:46 PM > >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters > >> > >> > >> > Hi Ben, > >> > > >> > Calling your shot is a matter of seeing where the front sight was when > >the > >> > gun went off. It is not a matter of seeing the hit, because that means > >> > you're looking at the target, and you probably couldn't see a hit at > >that > >> > distance anyway. So, yes, it would easy enough to call the shot into > >the > >> > neck at that distance. As Capt. Lahti noted, I wouldn't be aiming for > >the > >> > neck at that distance by any means. > >> > > >> > Good luck with your book! > >> > > >> > Allen Hall > >> > >From Fort Hall country > >> > > >> > At 02:19 PM 8/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >> > >Hello the camp, > >> > >Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. > >> > >In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn > >buck > >> > at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that is > >way > >> to > >> > far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main > >> > character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, > >> > customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. > >> > > > >> > >My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the > >> yardage > >> > down? > >> > > > >> > >What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? > >> > > > >> > >I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a > >ten > >> > inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating by > >> much. > >> > And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in a 5 inch > >> > bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our state > >> > championship one year. > >> > > > >> > >Your help is appreciated. > >> > >Thanks, Ben< > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------- > >> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------- > >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:51:20 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C359F8.9C6A00A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My faith is restored Crazy. Well done and well said. Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Capt. Lahti=20 Heck no I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was = through the lights where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them = that are in it for the sport not for the making of meat. (G)=20 Crazy Cyot=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C359F8.9C6A00A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My faith is restored Crazy. Well done = and well=20 said.
 
Capt. L
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 GazeingCyot@cs.com
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 = 6:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Capt. Lahti =
Heck no=20 I said I wanted to make meat not watch it run off. It was through the = lights=20 where the vitals are bigger. Neck shots are for them that are in it = for the=20 sport not for the making of meat. (G)
Crazy Cyot=20
- ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C359F8.9C6A00A0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:45:23 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" Subject: MtMan-List: Update This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35A7D.E3AEC740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all. I put a bowie and a few other knives on the site this morning... If you = are interested in perusing them http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 Thanks D "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Knives and Iron Accouterments http://www.bright.net/~deforge1 "Knowing how is just the beginning." - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35A7D.E3AEC740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all.
I put a bowie and a few other = knives on the=20 site this morning... If you are interested in perusing=20 them
       =20 http://www.bright.net/~d= eforge1
 
Thanks
D
 
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            = DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
       Knives and = Iron=20 Accouterments
      http://www.bright.net/~d= eforge1
 
   "Knowing how is = just the=20 beginning."
- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C35A7D.E3AEC740-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:15:06 -0700 From: "Larry Butler" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C35ABC.B71D2D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 yards = or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the longer = distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck bone at = that range over half the time at that range even among the best of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn = buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that = is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. =20 My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the = yardage down? =20 What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? =20 I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on a = ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating = by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in = a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our = state championship one year. =20 Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben - ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C35ABC.B71D2D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only and = keep the=20 shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so = fast at=20 the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you could break = the neck=20 bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of=20 us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 = 2:19=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need = help from=20 all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I = could trouble=20 you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the = main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the = neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with = primitive=20 weapons, as he calls them.The main character is shooting a long = barreled=20 Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his father, who was a=20 gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this is = realistic,=20 or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at = 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower I = could keep=20 most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't = think I=20 was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put = four out=20 of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough = I won=20 our state championship one year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 Ben
- ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C35ABC.B71D2D40-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:33:54 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C35AD0.1A8977E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry, Your opinion in in tune with mine but......... One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot with = my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with his = head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 = paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a = few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have = gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close to 100 grains or a bit less. It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the = windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters = from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the = way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less powder too. Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Butler=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 = yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the = longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck = bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork horn = buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks that = is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut the = yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots on = a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was exagerating = by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four out of five in = a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often enough I won our = state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben - ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C35AD0.1A8977E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Larry,
 
Your opinion in in tune with mine = but.........
 
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western = whitetail I=20 shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him = with=20 his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed=20 at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he dropped = like a=20 sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 paces down a flat = logging=20 road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a few inches from the crest = of his=20 back as I expected and blew out his spine just behind  the = shoulder=20 blades. Any more drop and it would have gone through the upper lungs = with the=20 same effect. Probably shooting close to 100 grains or a bit = less.
 
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's = the drop,=20 the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible = hunters from=20 taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to=20 standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized targets and time = for a=20 rested position. That .60 ball will go all the way through the chest at = that=20 range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with less powder too.
 
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a = target.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry=20 Butler
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 7:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only and = keep the=20 shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so = fast at=20 the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you could break = the neck=20 bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the = best of=20 us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, = 2003 2:19=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need = help from=20 all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if I = could=20 trouble you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have the = main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to = the=20 neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot with=20 primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is = shooting a=20 long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his = father, who=20 was a gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this = is realistic,=20 or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot at = 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower I = could keep=20 most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I = didn't think=20 I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could = put four=20 out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often = enough I=20 won our state championship one year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 Ben
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