From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1221 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, August 7 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1221 In this issue: -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters -       MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:06:47 -0700 From: "Ben" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C35AF6.39C9FFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the camp. Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to my Uncle's funeral. He = was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till this past year, so = it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to rest. I've been having a good time reading all the posts and can't say I = disagree with any of them.=20 Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for not doing what he's = told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to insert. = When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack that it = was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase your = writing, if you don't mind. Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for writing. The words seem = to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could tell. Thanks for all the good imput.=20 Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Larry, Your opinion in in tune with mine but......... One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot = with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with = his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 = paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a = few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have = gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close to 100 grains or a bit less. It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the = windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters = from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the = way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less powder too. Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Butler=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 = yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the = longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck = bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a = second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork = horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks = that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut = the yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots = on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was = exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four = out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often = enough I won our state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C35AF6.39C9FFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello the camp.
Been gone for a couple of days.  Had to go to = my Uncle's=20 funeral.  He was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till = this past=20 year, so it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to = rest.
I've been having a good time reading all the posts = and can't=20 say I disagree with any of them.
Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for = not doing=20 what he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to = insert.=20 When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack that it = was=20 good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase your = writing, if=20 you don't mind.
Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for = writing. The=20 words seem to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could=20 tell.
Thanks for all the good imput.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger lahti=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 9:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Larry,
 
Your opinion in in tune with mine = but.........
 
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western = whitetail=20 I shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at = him=20 with his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more = steady. I=20 aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped=20 like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 paces = down a=20 flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a few inches = from the=20 crest of his back as I expected and blew out his spine = just behind=20  the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have gone = through the=20 upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting close to 100 = grains or a=20 bit less.
 
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, = it's the=20 drop, the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps = responsible=20 hunters from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with = my .62=20 is limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets=20 and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the way = through the=20 chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with less powder=20 too.
 
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a=20 target.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry=20 Butler
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 7:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only = and keep the=20 shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy = so fast=20 at the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you could = break the=20 neck bone at that range over half the time at that range even among = the best=20 of us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August 02, = 2003 2:19=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, if = I could=20 trouble you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have = the main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to = the=20 neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot = with=20 primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is = shooting a=20 long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his = father, who=20 was a gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think this = is=20 realistic, or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you shoot = at 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting BPower = I could=20 keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so = I didn't=20 think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I = could=20 put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, = but=20 often enough I won our state championship one year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 Ben
- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C35AF6.39C9FFA0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:00:24 -0700 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C35B27.A019BF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your welcome Ben. Good luck with the book.=20 Capt. L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:06 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp. Been gone for a couple of days. Had to go to my Uncle's funeral. He = was 95 and had had a good, long productive live till this past year, so = it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to rest. I've been having a good time reading all the posts and can't say I = disagree with any of them.=20 Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack for not doing what = he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be easy to = insert. When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling Zack = that it was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para = phrase your writing, if you don't mind. Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for writing. The words seem = to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could tell. Thanks for all the good imput.=20 Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: roger lahti=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Larry, Your opinion in in tune with mine but......... One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice western whitetail I shot = with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad side shot at him with = his head down and me taking a rest. And I was younger and more steady. I = aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far anyway) and he = dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it was 130 = paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped a = few inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine just behind the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it would have = gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close to 100 grains or a bit less. It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, it's the drop, the = windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps responsible hunters = from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting with my .62 is = limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk sized = targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all the = way through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less powder too. Shot placement. Neck is just too small a target. YMOS Capt. Lahti' ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Butler=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder = shooters In my opinion. Lung or heart shots only and keep the shots at 80 = yards or less because the round ball looses it's energy so fast at the = longer distance. Also it is questionable if you could break the neck = bone at that range over half the time at that range even among the best = of us. Larry Butler ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: MtMan-List: re: Need help from all you BPowder shooters Hello the camp, Need a little info and advice, if I could trouble you for a = second. In the novel I'm writing I have the main character shoot a fork = horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot to the neck. My editor thinks = that is way to far to call a shot with primitive weapons, as he calls = them.The main character is shooting a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, = flintlock, customized by his father, who was a gunsmith. My question is: Do you think this is realistic, or should I cut = the yardage down? What kind of groups do you shoot at 120 yards? I know when I was shooting BPower I could keep most of the shots = on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, so I didn't think I was = exagerating by much. And when I was shooting archery I could put four = out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not every time, but often = enough I won our state championship one year. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, Ben - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C35B27.A019BF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Your welcome Ben. Good luck with the book. =
 
Capt. L
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 = 2:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp.
Been gone for a couple of days.  Had to go to = my=20 Uncle's funeral.  He was 95 and had had a good, long productive = live till=20 this past year, so it was a good feeling we had when we laid him to=20 rest.
I've been having a good time reading all the posts = and can't=20 say I disagree with any of them.
Captain, I like your idea of Sol upbraiding Zack = for not=20 doing what he's told. It suit's Sol's character to a tee and will be = easy to=20 insert. When they get to camp that night I already have Sol telling = Zack that=20 it was good shootin', so I'll just include a big BUT and para phrase = your=20 writing, if you don't mind.
Crazy is right, as usual, you have a knack for = writing. The=20 words seem to flow and I'm sure you got a bunch of stories you could=20 tell.
Thanks for all the good imput.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 roger=20 lahti
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 9:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Larry,
 
Your opinion in in tune with mine=20 but.........
 
One of the first bp deer I shot was a nice = western=20 whitetail I shot with my first flinter in .50 cal. Had a nice broad = side=20 shot at him with his head down and me taking a rest. And I was = younger and=20 more steady. I aimed at his back cause he was so far out (looked far = anyway)=20 and he dropped like a sack of spuds. I paced off the distance and it = was 130=20 paces down a flat logging road to where he lay. The ball had dropped = a few=20 inches from the crest of his back as I expected and blew out his = spine=20 just behind  the shoulder blades. Any more drop and it = would have=20 gone through the upper lungs with the same effect. Probably shooting = close=20 to 100 grains or a bit less.
 
It's not that the ball doesn't have any energy, = it's the=20 drop, the windage, the open iron sights and etc. that keeps = responsible=20 hunters from taking shots at that distance routinely. My shooting = with my=20 .62 is limited to standing broad sides at around 100 yards with elk = sized=20 targets and time for a rested position. That .60 ball will go all = the way=20 through the chest at that range with a 90 gr. + load. Probably with = less=20 powder too.
 
Shot placement. Neck is just too small a=20 target.
 
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Larry=20 Butler
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, August 04, = 2003 7:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = re: Need=20 help from all you BPowder shooters

In my opinion.  Lung or heart shots only = and keep=20 the shots at 80 yards or less because the round ball looses it's = energy so=20 fast at the longer distance.  Also it is questionable if you = could=20 break the neck bone at that range over half the time at that range = even=20 among the best of us.
 
Larry Butler
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ben =
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Saturday, August = 02, 2003=20 2:19 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re: = Need help=20 from all you BPowder shooters

Hello the camp,
Need a little info and advice, = if I could=20 trouble you for a second.
In the novel I'm writing I have = the main=20 character shoot a fork horn buck at 120 yards, calling his shot = to the=20 neck.  My editor thinks that is way to far to call a shot = with=20 primitive weapons, as he calls them.The main character is = shooting=20 a long barreled Pennsylvania rifle, flintlock, customized by his = father,=20 who was a gunsmith.
 
My question is: Do you think = this is=20 realistic, or should I cut the yardage down?
 
What kind of groups do you = shoot at 120=20 yards?
 
I know when I was shooting = BPower I could=20 keep most of the shots on a ten inch paper plate at 100 yards, = so I=20 didn't think I was exagerating by much. And when I was shooting = archery=20 I could put four out of five in a 5 inch bull at 80 yards(not = every=20 time, but often enough I won our state championship one=20 year.
 
Your help is = appreciated.
Thanks, =20 = Ben
- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C35B27.A019BF80-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:11:27 EDT From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: Women of the Fur Trade - --part1_174.1ec80b24.2c63c61f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello in the camp! Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirements and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Trade. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G. I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm I have also add a few new pictures also have a look. See ya on the trail Crazy Cyot - --part1_174.1ec80b24.2c63c61f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello in the camp!
Do to the number of people that have been wanting to see the requirement= s and wanting to find out about this new women's group, Women of the Fur Tra= de. ( look out AMM there is a new kid on the block) G.=20
I have posted them on mine and Jill's Web Site. http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/inde= x.htm
I have also add a few new pictures also have a look.=20
See ya on the trail
Crazy Cyot - --part1_174.1ec80b24.2c63c61f_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1221 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.