From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1274 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, November 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1274 In this issue: - MtMan-List: Elk hunt - Re: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? - Re: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? stand corrected - Re: MtMan-List: hand carts - FW: MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival - RE: MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle - MtMan-List: Skin that Buffalo! - Re: FW: MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival - Re: MtMan-List: Skin that Buffalo! - Re: MtMan-List: Skin that Buffalo! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:53:15 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Elk hunt This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C3B2C4.995ABA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had someone ask me about my up coming late season cow elk hunt and I = described my plan as best I could. I wondered if anyone would like to = critic my theories. What you have to do is find an elk, they either are where you find them = or they are not where you looked, if they are where you find them then = sneak up on it and lift its tail to see if it has an inny or an outty. = If it has an inny it is a cow. You can check further by locating the = nippples on the milk bags but that is not required. You then sneak back = out to a range of about 1000 yards to make it sporting and you crack a = rock against a piece of metal. This is supposed to make a spark which = is supposed to fall into a pan which is supposed be full of powder which = is supposed to ignite the powder which is supposed to be in the barrel = which will, I garen-ass -tee thrust a round piece of lead really really = fast. The piece of lead is supposed to strike the elk in a vital = locality which is supposed to cause death. Na its pretty much a piece of cake. Wynn=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C3B2C4.995ABA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had someone ask me about my up coming = late season=20 cow elk hunt and I described my plan as best I could. I wondered = if anyone=20 would like to critic my theories.

What you have to do is find an elk, they either are = where you=20 find them or they are not where you looked, if they are where = you=20 find them then sneak up on it and lift its tail to see if it has an inny = or an=20 outty. If it has an inny it is a cow. You can check further = by=20 locating the nippples on the milk bags but that is not required. = You then=20 sneak back out to a range of about 1000 yards to make it sporting and = you crack=20 a rock against a piece of metal. This is supposed to make a spark = which is=20 supposed to fall into a pan which is supposed be full of powder which is = supposed to ignite the powder which is supposed to be in the barrel = which will,=20 I garen-ass -tee thrust a round piece of lead really really fast. = The=20 piece of lead is supposed to strike the elk in a vital locality which is = supposed to cause death.

Na its pretty much a piece of cake.

Wynn

- ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C3B2C4.995ABA60-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:37:44 +0000 From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? Parfleche it self is not singular or plural, but "parfleches" is most certianly not right. Most words in french are either masculine or feminine corresponding with le or la. "parfleche" tanslated is "to parry (or turn aside) arrows" which obviuusly has nothing to do with the bag we relate it to. (another story) Based on nothing more than my guess and no mention of the complete word "parfleche" in my dictionary I'm going to bet on "le parfleche". If you want to make it plural add an s to the le or "les parfleche". The "bags" or "the bags of rawhide" Anybody want to tell me I'm wrong? >From: "Frank Fusco" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: "list AMM" >Subject: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:57:00 -0600 > > For the Frenchies out there a language question. Is: "parfleche" OK >as it is for plural. Or is it correctly spelled: > "parfleches"? >Frank _________________________________________________________________ From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you’ll find a range of helpful holiday info here. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:44:51 +0000 From: "Sean Boushie" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? stand corrected I stand corrected. Of course it depends if your speaking english or Francais. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861723816 >From: "Sean Boushie" >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:37:44 +0000 > >Parfleche it self is not singular or plural, but "parfleches" is most >certianly not right. Most words in french are either masculine or feminine >corresponding with le or la. "parfleche" tanslated is "to parry (or turn >aside) arrows" which obviuusly has nothing to do with the bag we relate it >to. (another story) Based on nothing more than my guess and no mention of >the complete word "parfleche" in my dictionary I'm going to bet on "le >parfleche". If you want to make it plural add an s to the le or "les >parfleche". The "bags" or "the bags of rawhide" Anybody want to tell me >I'm wrong? > >>From: "Frank Fusco" >>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >>To: "list AMM" >>Subject: MtMan-List: parfleche-s ? >>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:57:00 -0600 >> >> For the Frenchies out there a language question. Is: "parfleche" OK >>as it is for plural. Or is it correctly spelled: >> "parfleches"? >>Frank > >_________________________________________________________________ >From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you’ll find a >range of helpful holiday info here. >http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Samuel Keller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hand carts I found a good site on the Red River Cart. http://www.info.co.clay.mn.us/History/red_river_carts.htm - --- John Kramer wrote: > Two wheel horse carts are quite different than > Pioneer hand carts which are > quite different than two wheel dog carts differing > from two wheel goat > carts. Then we have wagons and buggies and other 4 > wheel conveyance. Some > wagons made it to rendezvous were they two or four > wheel? > > The more common two wheel cart we know was used > during and for the fur > trade though questionable at rendezvous would be the > Red River carts. Yes > steel wheels would be most inappropriate on those. > > Wheelbarrows, sledges, sleighs and a whole lot more > is "period" and still > anachronistic for rendezvous. It becomes a real > stretch of philosophy when > one anachronism is chosen "superior" to another. I > keep pointing these > little details out as too often they soon become > "correct" rather than just > an acceptable compromise. > > John... > > > > At 09:12 AM 11/17/03, you wrote: > >On 14 Nov 2003 12:20:24 -0600 John Kramer wrote > > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding > > > > >A hand cart is as anachronistic as my Pickup; > some seem > > >to think it looks better in camp. > > > >Right. But two-wheeled carts were not only period, > but documented in > >the rendezvous era. They were called by the french > word 'charrette.' > >Now, I don't think they had steel wheels though. > > > >Glenn Darilek > >Iron Burner > > > > > > > > > >---------------------- > >hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. > john > > Take a look at all the prime plunder being auctioned > for the benefit of the > American Mountain Men > http://amm-auction.com/ > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:00:35 -0700 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: FW: MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival Sorry I am a little slow at getting my mail...but remember that not all those who live in Montana dislike the wolves. There is a place for everything. I just got back from elk hunting and spent some time worrying about the mountain lion that was tracking the deer and elk in the area. This is not the first time they have been around at the same time as I have been. With some effort on everyone's part, there is definitely room for everything. Something has to help the poor farmer/rancher that is dealing with a huge crop damage issue. ED - -----Original Message----- From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of beaverboy@sofast.net Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:55 PM To: hist_text@xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival Dear List, Went to the (traveling) Banff Mountain Film Festival tonight! A hunting season tradition for me! If you ever get a chance to see this traveling film show, go!! Extreme skiing, kayaking, biking, unicycles, etc... Incredible!!!! These young whipper snappers are filled with the same spirit as the original Mountain Men and doing it in the mountains! This year wasn't as great as the usual but they had a great film about a Tibetan nomad family. It is amazing how similar they were (are) to North American indians but still living the life as well as they could. One year they showed a film about a Inuit man living on the ice, a great film!!! The only film I didn't care for this year was about the wolf reintroduction in Idaho (a sore topic for Montanan's as well). It was a clearly (tilted one side anyway) pro-wolf film and didn't get a great applause when finished. Maybe it was too close to home. I almost booed it. Their side has a hard time dealing with the realities of life and death in the great outdoors. They even brought up the terrible "leghold trap" the same trap that caught some of the wolves they reintroduced! Off the topic a little but hey!, it did have Mountain in the title and trapping! Great evening! beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:00:33 -0700 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle Also, you can remove most of any bad smell or taste (especially from plastic) by placing a small about of vanilla on a paper towel and then closing it inside the container. Let it sit for a couple of days and it will make things much better. Ed Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dunc > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:05 AM > To: Recipient list suppressed > Subject: MtMan-List: Cleaning a water bottle > > > If you have a water bottle ( plastic or metal) or maybe a coffee > pot which > has been forgotten and got a bit stinky,stained or mouldy,or even > a crusty > old cup, a good way to clean it is to use the sterilizer tablets used to > clean baby bottles, I have found one to two tablets in hot water > will clean > a water bottle spotless in a couple of days soaking.These tablets are > obviously non toxic but the do have a slight bleach smell which may need > to be rinsed out of a coffee or tea pot. > > Cheers Dunc > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:21:04 -0700 From: Allen Hall Subject: MtMan-List: Skin that Buffalo! Hello, There are now more Buffalo are available for individuals to "hunt", than there have been since the 1880's probably. Anyway here's a tip for you. If you go and get a buffalo, be sure and skin it immediately! Buffalo hide retains heat, and even if the critter is gutted and it's really cold outside, you need to skin the buffalo. I just talked to a friend last night and he told me that he shot a 7 year old bull with his trade gun. The weather out was really cold, he put the bull in the back of the pickup and transported it home. Cold all the way. The next day he took it to the shop to skin it......well, the meat at the front was still steaming. He lost most of the front end of the bull. Just a note so you don't end up down that same trail. Allen in Fort Hall Country - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:04:11 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: FW: MtMan-List: Banff Mountain Film Festival I just hope the wolves eat the deer of the Montanans that like them. The government is already killing wolves they planted. A huge success! Yes, for the government trappers who get to trap wolves and shoot them and collect a fine government paycheck in the process. Job security? Plant wolves, then when they start to eat dogs, cattle, and too many elk calves (which they will always do) go out and trap and airplane them!! Then do it all over again. What a job! Where do I apply? I truly hope the wolf deal works out. If it doesn't, the elk, deer and bighorn will pay the price. And the bleeding heart public (in Kalispell, Missoula etc and even other states!) will never allow us to hunt and trap them like the Mt. Fish & Duck boys promised us after they became established. I honestly hope it works out because I like hunting deer. But it's not looking too good, so far. Sean, whats your view on the wolves? Good luck hunting, I hope you fill your tags Ed. bb ...but remember that not all > those who live in Montana dislike the wolves. There is a place for > everything. > > Dear List, > Went to the (traveling) Banff Mountain Film Festival tonight! A hunting > season tradition for me! If you ever get a chance to see this traveling > film show, go!! Extreme skiing, kayaking, biking, unicycles, etc... > Incredible!!!! These young whipper snappers are filled with the same > spirit as the original Mountain Men and doing it in the mountains! > This year wasn't as great as the usual but they had a great film about > a Tibetan nomad family. It is amazing how similar they were (are) to > North American indians but still living the life as well as they could. > One year they showed a film about a Inuit man living on the ice, a > great film!!! > The only film I didn't care for this year was about the wolf > reintroduction in Idaho (a sore topic for Montanan's as well). It was a > clearly (tilted one side anyway) pro-wolf film and didn't get a great > applause when finished. Maybe it was too close to home. I almost booed > it. Their side has a hard time dealing with the realities of life and > death in the great outdoors. They even brought up the terrible "leghold > trap" the same trap that caught some of the wolves they reintroduced! > Off the topic a little but hey!, it did have Mountain in the title and > trapping! Great evening! > beaverboy > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:29:08 -0800 From: "roger lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Skin that Buffalo! Thanks for the tip Allen. Same applies to any animal even small critters like birds. They at least need to be field dressed (the guts pulled out). But deer, elk, etc. will all go bad over night if you don't take care of them. And the bigger the critter the more critical it is. Thanks for the timely reminder. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:59:04 EST From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Skin that Buffalo! - -------------------------------1069901944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/26/2003 3:22:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, allenhall@srv.net writes: Anyway here's a tip for you. Ifyou go and get a buffalo, be sure and skin it immediately! >> Thanks Allen.... The last one Bead and I shot, we had the hide off even before we gutted em..... think we were more interested in a good clean robe than the meat. This next buffalo hunt in Kansas, (with 29 square miles of range, it should be a hunt) I think Buck said came with "skinners". After I work my magic, I plan on kicking back with a jug of Jack, and just supervise them boys with the knife... 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In a message dated 11/26/2003 3:22:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, allenha= ll@srv.net writes:

Anyway here's a tip for you. Ifyou go an= d get a buffalo, be sure and skin it immediately! >>

Thanks Allen.... The last one Bead and I shot, we had the hide off even= before we gutted em..... think we were more interested in a good clean robe= than the meat.

This next buffalo hunt in Kansas, (with 29 square miles of range, it&nb= sp;should be a hunt) I think Buck said came with "skinners". After I wo= rk my magic, I plan on kicking back with a jug of Jack, and just superv= ise them boys with the knife...<G>

Ymos,

Magpie

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