What got me interested is his latest book Case Files of a Tracker.

In it is a 1999 case he calls Cougar Canyon. In reading it. I was=20= obvious it was the true story of a boy lost four years ago west of Fort Coll= ins, Colo. were I live. Recently the boy remains were found and what was fou= nd matched the prediction of one of Tom's trackers to a tee. High in the roc= ks near the trail but out of view were found the 3 year old tennis shoes, pa= rt of his skull, a tooth and some of his cloths. More cloths were found than= he predicted. Tom and his tracker come on the scene 9 days after the boy wa= s lost and search had been suspended. They found his tracks after that time=20= lapse and all the search traffic. Told where a searcher with dog had followe= d the trail and the searcher did not notice the dog picking up the sent. Whe= re the boy had crossed the river and thrown rocks into it and where the Moun= tain Lion had started stalking while the searches were on the other side of=20= the river. The also determined he could not hear there calls because of the=20= river noise. Much of this has be supported by the local paper.

A lot of his experiences do seam for fetched and not understandable by=20= the average man. But if I would think the people that he came in contact wit= h during his development would come forward i.e. teachers, scout master and=20= some of the people he has found a live.

I am considering taking his basic course next year to check it out= . So if anyone has personal experience with his school let me know.

Thanks Roadkill

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Mark,

There is a man in your area, Grand Junction, who teaches survival skills and tracking and you would be better off to take one of his courses. He has property not far from the AMM property where he teaches, though he lives in Grand Junction. His name is Mel DeWeese and he goes by "Mountain Mel". He is a good personal friend of mine and he has travelled the world over teaching survival skills and will get you out in the field. Mention my name and tell him that I referred you. Contact him at, 970-242-8507 or e-mail at mtnmel@youwillsurvive.com

Believe me, this guy has forgotten more than I will ever know about survival and is a wealth of knowledge. Plus as an added bonus has some of the greatest stories you have ever heard and is a kick in the pants with his wit and sense of humor. Being an ol' military man he loves to kick back a few beers and swap lies.

I missed a chance to go with him last year to the Amazon. (no fundage) He always invites me to go and tells me waht went on with the natives. An Awesome Guy!

Later,

Mike Powell

AMM #1769

POISON RIVER PARTY

"Ride, Ride, Ride"

"Aux Aliments du Pays"! >From: MarkLoader@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tom Brown Jr. >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:41:27 EST > >Mike I was hoping you would respond. You have a lot of exposure to this >subject and I want your opinion. The movie was a disappointment to say the least >too much Hollywood. The DVD had some extras that were well worth the time. >What got me interested is his latest book Case Files of a Tracker. >In it is a 1999 case he calls Cougar Canyon. In reading it. I was obvious it >was the true story of a boy lost four years ago west of Fort Collins, Colo. >were I live. Recently the boy remains were found and what was found matched the >prediction of one of Tom's trackers to a tee. High in the rocks near the trail >but out of view were found the 3 year old tennis shoes, part of his skull, a >tooth and some of his cloths. More cloths were found than he predicted. Tom >and his tracker come on the scene 9 days after the boy was lost and search had >been suspended. They found his tracks after that time lapse and all the search >traffic. Told where a searcher with dog had followed the trail and the >searcher did not notice the dog picking up the sent. Where the boy had crossed the >river and thrown rocks into it and where the Mountain Lion had started stalking >while the searches were on the other side of the river. The also determined he >could not hear there calls because of the river noise. Much of this has be >supported by the local paper. > >A lot of his experiences do seam for fetched and not understandable by the >average man. But if I would think the people that he came in contact with during >his development would come forward i.e. teachers, scout master and some of >the people he has found a live. > >I am considering taking his basic course next year to check it out. So if >anyone has personal experience with his school let me know. >Thanks Roadkill

Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms Ц all in one place at MSN Money! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:57:48 -0600 From: John Dearing Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Tom Brown Jr. - --=====================_11257348==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Right on. I took a coupla classes back in the early 80's and would have been better off reading some good books and practicing what I read. I was young and dumb in those days, and had more money than sense. Mike described the curriculum correctly. Lots of lecture with little hands on, and some of those exercises aren't all that educational. Not to mention all the BS he calls Native American philosophy. It's new age religion BS pure and simple. Better to save your money and simply hang out with folks who know what they are doing. I saw the prototype for the "tracker knife" at one of the classes, and had the same thoughts about the practicality of the knife. IMHO, Brown is a better marketer than he is a survival instructor. J.D. >Don't waste your time. In survival skill circles the overall feeling is >that while it all sounds good in theory, the courses are taught in a >lecture sort of setting and very little hands on or actually practical >application in a field setting. Tom Brown does have the fact that he is a >good marketeer and has a following that spreads his class sign-ups. Most >hard core survivalist, I know, who have been in the field for 30 years >don't really think to much of Tom Brown. But you can't down a guy who >knows how to make a living doing what he likes to do and knows how to >market himself. > >By the way, the new Tom Brown Tracker Knife made so popular by the movie, >"The Hunted", may look really cool but is as unpractical a knife as any >I've seen, and at $300.00 is a waste of money in my opinion. > >Later, > >Mike Powell, Poison River Booshway >AMM #1769 >POISON RIVER PARTY >"Ride, Ride, Ride" > >"Aux Aliments du Pays"! > > >From: MarkLoader@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: > hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Tom Brown Jr. >Date: > Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:39:55 EST > >Hello the Camp > >I have been reading > several books by and about Tom Brown, Jr. >His experience and knowledge > are in line with the live style of the Indian >there for the Mountainman. > If you have not read some of these books you should. >My question is: Has > anyone in the group taken any of the courses he offers on >wilderness > skills and tracking? >Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader AMM #1849 > > >---------- >Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to >help ensure your PC is protected and safe. ---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --=====================_11257348==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Right on.
I took a coupla classes back in the early 80's and would have been better off reading some good books and practicing what I read.

I was young and dumb in those days, and had more money than sense.

Mike described the curriculum correctly. Lots of lecture with little hands on, and some of those exercises aren't all that educational. Not to mention all the BS he calls Native American philosophy.
It's new age religion BS pure and simple.

Better to save your money and simply hang out with folks who know what they are doing.

I saw the prototype for the "tracker knife" at one of the classes, and had the same thoughts about the practicality of the knife. IMHO, Brown is a better marketer than he is a survival instructor.

J.D.

Don't waste your time. In survival skill circles the overall feeling is that while it all sounds good in theory, the courses are taught in a lecture sort of setting and very little hands on or actually practical application in a field setting. Tom Brown does have the fact that he is a good marketeer and has a following that spreads his class sign-ups. Most hard core survivalist, I know, who have been in the field for 30 years don't really think to much of Tom Brown. But you can't down a guy who knows how to make a living doing what he likes to do and knows how to market himself.

By the way, the new Tom Brown Tracker Knife made so popular by the movie, "The Hunted", may look really cool but is as unpractical a knife as any I've seen, and at $300.00 is a waste of money in my opinion.

Later,

Mike Powell, Poison River Booshway
AMM #1769
POISON RIVER PARTY
"Ride, Ride, Ride"

"Aux Aliments du Pays"!

>From: MarkLoader@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Tom Brown Jr. >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:39:55 EST > >Hello the Camp > >I have been reading several books by and about Tom Brown, Jr. >His experience and knowledge are in line with the live style of the Indian >there for the Mountainman. If you have not read some of these books you should. >My question is: Has anyone in the group taken any of the courses he offers on >wilderness skills and tracking? >Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader AMM #1849

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Thank you John,

I forgot to include that my good friend, Mtn. Mel, once had bumper stickers made that said, "Real survival instruction saves lives, No mystical B.S., Please"! This was in response to all the Tom Brown hype.

Later,

Mike

AMM #1769

POISON RIVER PARTY

"Ride, Ride, Ride"

"Aux Aliments du Pays"! >From: John Dearing <jdearing@brick.net> >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Tom Brown Jr. >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:57:48 -0600 > >Right on. >I took a coupla classes back in the early 80's and would have been >better off reading some good books and practicing what I read. > >I was young and dumb in those days, and had more money than sense. > > Mike described the curriculum correctly. Lots of lecture with >little hands on, and some of those exercises aren't all that >educational. Not to mention all the BS he calls Native American >philosophy. >It's new age religion BS pure and simple. > >Better to save your money and simply hang out with folks who know >what they are doing. > >I saw the prototype for the "tracker knife" at one of the classes, >and had the same thoughts about the practicality of the knife. IMHO, >Brown is a better marketer than he is a survival instructor. > >J.D. > >>Don't waste your time. In survival skill circles the overall >>feeling is that while it all sounds good in theory, the courses are >>taught in a lecture sort of setting and very little hands on or >>actually practical application in a field setting. Tom Brown does >>have the fact that he is a good marketeer and has a following that >>spreads his class sign-ups. Most hard core survivalist, I know, >>who have been in the field for 30 years don't really think to much >>of Tom Brown. But you can't down a guy who knows how to make a >>living doing what he likes to do and knows how to market himself. >> >>By the way, the new Tom Brown Tracker Knife made so popular by the >>movie, "The Hunted", may look really cool but is as unpractical a >>knife as any I've seen, and at $300.00 is a waste of money in my >>opinion. >> >>Later, >> >>Mike Powell, Poison River Booshway >>AMM #1769 >>POISON RIVER PARTY >>"Ride, Ride, Ride" >> >>"Aux Aliments du Pays"! >> >> >From: MarkLoader@aol.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: MtMan-List: Tom Brown >>Jr. >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:39:55 EST > >Hello the Camp > >I >>have been reading several books by and about Tom Brown, Jr. >His >>experience and knowledge are in line with the live style of the >>Indian >there for the Mountainman. If you have not read some of >>these books you should. >My question is: Has anyone in the group >>taken any of the courses he offers on >wilderness skills and >>tracking? >Thanks Mark Roadkill Loader AMM #1849 >> >> >>---------- >><http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2749??PS=>Check out MSN PC Safety & >>Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. >>---------------------- hist_text list info: >>http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:04:54 -0700 From: "tom" Subject: MtMan-List: the alamo and history channel special - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I personally am looking forward to seeing the Alamo. I have a profound respect for Texans and their struggle for independence. I'll bet all you Texas brothers are "stoked" i saw a special on the history channel last night about davey crocket and Daniel boone, I thought i saw mark baker playing davey crocked????? I've never noticed before but baker looks an awful lot like Crocket. i also watched another special on the filming of the movie and Billy Bob Thornton mentioned something about the on set re enactors. he said he was a little intimidated when he would come out of his trailer in the morning sipping a cappuccino and would see the re enactors bathing in the creek having slept outside all night. just some thoughts, Tom AMM # 1834 PRP - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Jones To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: 3/30/2004 11:27:40 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Alamo A friend of mine, Taylor Anderson, worked for the duration of the filming of the Alamo movie, both as an extra and as a weapons/cannon expert (he is probably the finest period rifle and pistol maker in Texas at present and his knowledge of period firearms if beyond compare). His opinion is to be trusted. Thought some of you might be going to this movie, so I thought is appropriate to share Taylor's thoughts with you. Paul Howdy, all. I went to Austin for the Cast and Crew screening of The Alamo last night. A good time was had by all and I got to visit with good folks again. Mainly, though, YOU ARE GOING TO LIKE THIS FILM!!! They cut out a LOT of stuff, including a lot of scenes of me! (how rude) , but it is still outstanding. If you were in this movie, you WILL be seen. (sometimes more than some of the 'stars' whose storylines went away during the cut). The bomb gag is still there, but it has been slightly modified so that it is not quite as egregious--a point that I still felt compelled to thank and harrass John Lee about--He took my comments sheepishly, but then I went on to congratulate him for EVERYTHING else! I am pretty tickled. So many people worked so hard and so long, and they will feel the vindication of a job well done! Taylor - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

I personally am looking forward to seeing the Alamo. I have a profound respect for Texans and their struggle for independence. I'll bet all you Texas brothers are "stoked"

i saw a special on the history channel last night about davey crocket and Daniel boone, I thought i saw mark baker playing davey crocked????? I've never noticed before but baker looks an awful lot like Crocket. i also watched another special on the filming of the movie and Billy Bob Thornton mentioned something about the on set re enactors. he said he was a little intimidated when he would come out of his trailer in the morning sipping a cappuccino and would see the re enactors bathing in the creek having slept outside all night.

just some thoughts, Tom AMM # 1834 PRP

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To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com

Sent: 3/30/2004 11:27:40 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Alamo

A friend of mine, Taylor Anderson, worked for the duration of the filming of the Alamo movie, both as an extra and as a weapons/cannon expert (he is probably the finest period rifle and pistol maker in Texas at present and his knowledge of period firearms if beyond compare). His opinion is to be trusted.

Thought some of you might be going to this movie, so I thought is appropriate to share Taylor's thoughts with you.

Paul

Howdy, all. I went to Austin for the Cast and Crew screening of The Alamo last night. A good time was had by all and I got to visit with good folks again. Mainly, though, YOU ARE GOING TO LIKE THIS FILM!!! They cut out a LOT of stuff, including a lot of scenes of me! (how rude) , but it is still outstanding. If you were in this movie, you WILL be seen. (sometimes more than some of the 'stars' whose storylines went away during the cut). The bomb gag is still there, but it has been slightly modified so that it is not quite as egregious--a point that I still felt compelled to thank and harrass John Lee about--He took my comments sheepishly, but then I went on to congratulate him for EVERYTHING else! I am pretty tickled. So many people worked so hard and so long, and they will feel the vindication of a job well done!

Taylor

- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:58:03 -0600 From: "Paul Jones" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the alamo and history channel special This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0197_01C41680.8BFAA220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, "Stoked" is a fair description, at least in some quarters. It is = impossible to get everyone to agree with the "facts," but all are = hopeful that this version will do a fair job of telling it (what = happened) as close as this distance in time can allow. I also saw the = History Channel special last evening, and Thornton, who, like Mark = Baker, does look a lot like Crockett, at least according to some = drawings and paintings from that era, did impress me as a person who was = "taken" with how realistic the set and efforts to get it right were for = this movie. Several of my friends who were on the set when he was = performing say that it was amazing to them to watch him switch from = regular guy to "Crockett" in a flash, and how realistically he portrayed = what they thought Crockett would have really been like. I have been to = the set, and it is truly amazing. First it is huge, they literally = tried to recreate San Antonio as it existed in 1836. It looks and feels = "right." The Church, San Fernando as I recall, is closer (for filming = purposes) than it was (and remains), but otherwise, they did a first = rate job in trying to make it look correct. So I hope the popcorn is ready on the 9th, because with or without my = wife's permission, I am hiding from all Honey-do or work necessities and = going to the first showing. =20 Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tom=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: MtMan-List: the alamo and history channel special I personally am looking forward to seeing the Alamo. I have a = profound respect for Texans and their struggle for independence. I'll = bet all you Texas brothers are "stoked" =20 i saw a special on the history channel last night about davey crocket = and Daniel boone, I thought i saw mark baker playing davey crocked????? = I've never noticed before but baker looks an awful lot like Crocket. i = also watched another special on the filming of the movie and Billy Bob = Thornton mentioned something about the on set re enactors. he said he = was a little intimidated when he would come out of his trailer in the = morning sipping a cappuccino and would see the re enactors bathing in = the creek having slept outside all night. =20 just some thoughts, Tom AMM # 1834 PRP ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Jones=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: 3/30/2004 11:27:40 AM=20 Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Alamo A friend of mine, Taylor Anderson, worked for the duration of the = filming of the Alamo movie, both as an extra and as a weapons/cannon = expert (he is probably the finest period rifle and pistol maker in Texas = at present and his knowledge of period firearms if beyond compare). His = opinion is to be trusted. Thought some of you might be going to this movie, so I thought is = appropriate to share Taylor's thoughts with you. Paul Howdy, all. I went to Austin for the Cast and Crew screening of The = Alamo last night. A good time was had by all and I got to visit with = good folks again. Mainly, though, YOU ARE GOING TO LIKE THIS FILM!!! = They cut out a LOT of stuff, including a lot of scenes of me! (how rude) = , but it is still outstanding. If you were in this movie, you WILL be = seen. (sometimes more than some of the 'stars' whose storylines went = away during the cut). The bomb gag is still there, but it has been = slightly modified so that it is not quite as egregious--a point that I = still felt compelled to thank and harrass John Lee about--He took my = comments sheepishly, but then I went on to congratulate him for = EVERYTHING else! I am pretty tickled. So many people worked so hard = and so long, and they will feel the vindication of a job well done! Taylor - ------=_NextPart_000_0197_01C41680.8BFAA220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tom,

"Stoked" is a fair = description, at=20 least in some quarters. It is impossible to get everyone to agree = with the=20 "facts," but all are hopeful that this version will do a fair job of = telling it=20 (what happened) as close as this distance in time can allow. I = also saw=20 the History Channel special last evening, and Thornton, who, like Mark = Baker,=20 does look a lot like Crockett, at least according to some drawings and = paintings=20 from that era, did impress me as a person who was "taken" with how = realistic the=20 set and efforts to get it right were for this movie. Several of my = friends=20 who were on the set when he was performing say that it was amazing to = them to=20 watch him switch from regular guy to "Crockett" in a flash, and how=20 realistically he portrayed what they thought Crockett would have really = been=20 like. I have been to the set, and it is truly amazing. First = it is=20 huge, they literally tried to recreate San Antonio as it existed in = 1836. =20 It looks and feels "right." The Church, San Fernando as I recall, = is=20 closer (for filming purposes) than it was (and remains), but otherwise, = they did=20 a first rate job in trying to make it look = correct.

So I hope the popcorn is = ready on the=20 9th, because with or without my wife's permission, I am hiding from all = Honey-do=20 or work necessities and going to the first showing. =

Regards,

Paul

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