From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1347 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, May 3 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1347 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       Re: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV -       Re: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV -       MtMan-List: horse hair ropes -       RE: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       RE: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       RE: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV -       RE: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV -       Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes -       MtMan-List: Horsehair Ropes -       RE: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns -       Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes -       Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes -       MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       RE: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       Re: MtMan-List: Horsehair Ropes -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load -       MtMan-List: checked fabric ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:00:56 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Dear List, Went to the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today. Walked up and down row after row of mostly modern crapola when almost to the end I came to a table loaded with five or six very fine smoothbores! Turned out to be North Star West's table! Matt Denison was there with some fine examples of his guns and two pistols. I have to say that North Star guns have improved even more since I bought mine 7 years or so ago. The Officer's Model Musket is a dandy of a musket. Will make a fine turkey killer. The Trade Gun is as good as ever too. If any of you were wondering about North Star West guns, I know I bragged mine up and now they're even better! You can't beat them. bb http://www.northstarwest.com/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 00:20:56 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV ad and mouse--- if you get this way during the summer you can set up any sat or sunday at the local crafsman /vender doins here in eureka---lots of tourest traffic---they want me or the wife to set up working on ml rifles--- hawk--- ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:24:23 -0400 From: "Addison Miller" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV Cool idea :) If we get out that way, we'll bring some goodies with us... Casey, my son, has decided he wants to go hunting in WV instead of driving to Arkansas to hunt. He only gets so many days off, and he doesn't want to waste several them on the road. Regards, Ad - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV > ad and mouse--- > if you get this way during the summer you can set up any sat or sunday at > the local crafsman /vender doins here in eureka---lots of tourest > traffic---they want me or the wife to set up working on ml rifles--- > > hawk--- > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 01:45:02 +0000 From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes Does anybody know where I can pick up some 1/4 inch horse hair ropes? mike. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 20:02:55 -0600 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Visited that same table at the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today...except I started at the other side of the room from where Beaver Boy did, so I found the North Star West table early in my wanderings. They set a very high standard for me and the rest of the show was just OK...still some modern stuff that is fun. I was very impressed with what I say and the fact that I can do some of the building myself. I plan to put one of them on my list...first time I have ever thought of going with a flintlock. Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > beaverboy@sofast.net > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:01 PM > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns > > > Dear List, > Went to the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today. Walked up and down row > after row of mostly modern crapola when almost to the end I came to a > table loaded with five or six very fine smoothbores! Turned out to be > North Star West's table! Matt Denison was there with some fine examples > of his guns and two pistols. > I have to say that North Star guns have improved even more since I > bought mine 7 years or so ago. > The Officer's Model Musket is a dandy of a musket. Will make a fine > turkey killer. The Trade Gun is as good as ever too. > If any of you were wondering about North Star West guns, I know I > bragged mine up and now they're even better! You can't beat them. > bb > > > http://www.northstarwest.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 20:02:55 -0600 From: "Stuart Family" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Visited that same table at the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today...except I started at the other side of the room from where Beaver Boy did, so I found the North Star West table early in my wanderings. They set a very high standard for me and the rest of the show was just OK...still some modern stuff that is fun. I was very impressed with what I say and the fact that I can do some of the building myself. I plan to put one of them on my list...first time I have ever thought of going with a flintlock. Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > beaverboy@sofast.net > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:01 PM > To: hist_text@xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns > > > Dear List, > Went to the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today. Walked up and down row > after row of mostly modern crapola when almost to the end I came to a > table loaded with five or six very fine smoothbores! Turned out to be > North Star West's table! Matt Denison was there with some fine examples > of his guns and two pistols. > I have to say that North Star guns have improved even more since I > bought mine 7 years or so ago. > The Officer's Model Musket is a dandy of a musket. Will make a fine > turkey killer. The Trade Gun is as good as ever too. > If any of you were wondering about North Star West guns, I know I > bragged mine up and now they're even better! You can't beat them. > bb > > > http://www.northstarwest.com/ > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:21:43 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Brother Bear said: > Visited that same table at the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today...except I > started at the other side of the room from where Beaver Boy did, so I found > the North Star West table early in my wanderings. They set a very high > standard for me and the rest of the show was just OK...still some modern > stuff that is fun. I was very impressed with what I say and the fact that I > can do some of the building myself. I plan to put one of them on my > list...first time I have ever thought of going with a flintlock. > > Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart Watch yourself, Ed. Once you get a flinchlock you will tend to ignore you nipple guns. I have a perfectly serviceable TC .54 cap gun that has been fired only twice in about six years. Get you a good rock crusher and you will be hooked. I have a custom .62 Northwest Trade Gun and a fine .53 rifle with the prettiest tiger maple stock you would ever want to see and I crave more. Don't say I didn't warn you. Lanney Ratcliff......addicted down in Texas - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 19:32:32 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Those caplocks are a cute idea....but, they won't catch on.... Randy ...first time I have ever thought of going with a flintlock. > > > > Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart > > > > Watch yourself, Ed. Once you get a flinchlock you will tend to ignore you > nipple guns. Don't say I didn't warn you. > Lanney Ratcliff......addicted down in Texas > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 22:51:36 -0400 From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Nipples have no business on weapons... They have much better uses... D - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Bublitz" To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns > Those caplocks are a cute idea....but, they won't catch on.... Randy > > > ...first time I have ever thought of going with a flintlock. > > > > > > Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart > > > > > > > > Watch yourself, Ed. Once you get a flinchlock you will tend to ignore you > > nipple guns. Don't say I didn't warn you. > > Lanney Ratcliff......addicted down in Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:20:24 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I went to the Market Fair and Rifle Frolic at Ft Loudoun, co-event with Ft Frederick. For a west coaster it was a neat experience. There were over 100 sutlers and over 700 campers. I was in Pennsylvania visiting my daughter, so spent a couple of days at Rdvs.. I fell in with a bunch of northern New Yorkers, who treated me like a long lost friend (most of my friends wished I were long lost...) I planned on buying my meals at the several food vendors there, but my new friends wouldn't let me spend a dime....they fed me like a King. I met several AMM brothers there. It was fun seeing how the easterners did things. I hope to return again next year.... to see my new rdvs friends, and to see my grandkids again. Yfab, Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Addison Miller Vicki and I just got back from the Colonial Market Fair at Jacksons Mill in Weston, WV and did GREAT!! The event was sponsored by Rick and Linda Blizard. Last we heard when they were not going to have a Fort Fred any more, so Rick and Linda set this one up. IT WAS GREAT!!! :) Not many vendors ( 8 I think) and about 100 campers, - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
I went to the Market Fair and Rifle Frolic at Ft Loudoun, co-event with Ft Frederick.   For a west coaster it was a neat experience.  There were over 100 sutlers and over 700 campers.  I was in Pennsylvania visiting my daughter, so spent a couple of days at Rdvs..   I fell in with a bunch of northern New Yorkers, who treated me like a long lost friend (most of my friends wished I were long lost...)  I planned on buying my meals at the several food vendors there, but my new friends wouldn't let me spend a dime....they fed me like a King.  I met several AMM brothers there.  It was fun seeing how the easterners did things.  I hope to return again next year.... to see my new rdvs friends, and to see my grandkids again.   Yfab, Randy
 
 
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Vicki and I just got back from the Colonial Market Fair at Jacksons Mill in Weston, WV and did GREAT!! The event was sponsored by Rick and Linda Blizard. Last we heard when they were not going to have a Fort Fred any more, so Rick and Linda set this one up.
 
IT WAS GREAT!!! :)  Not many vendors ( 8 I think) and about 100 campers,
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:22:00 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII oooops...forgot to mention their website address.... cool event for those nearby http://gnarendezvous.org/ Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Randal Bublitz To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Sent: 5/1/04 9:17:04 PM Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Colonial Market Fair in WV I went to the Market Fair and Rifle Frolic at Ft Loudoun, co-event with Ft Frederick. For a west coaster it was a neat experience. There were over 100 sutlers and over 700 campers. I was in Pennsylvania visiting my daughter, so spent a couple of days at Rdvs.. I fell in with a bunch of northern New Yorkers, who treated me like a long lost friend (most of my friends wished I were long lost...) I planned on buying my meals at the several food vendors there, but my new friends wouldn't let me spend a dime....they fed me like a King. I met several AMM brothers there. It was fun seeing how the easterners did things. I hope to return again next year.... to see my new rdvs friends, and to see my grandkids again. Yfab, Randy - ----- Original Message ----- From: Addison Miller Vicki and I just got back from the Colonial Market Fair at Jacksons Mill in Weston, WV and did GREAT!! The event was sponsored by Rick and Linda Blizard. Last we heard when they were not going to have a Fort Fred any more, so Rick and Linda set this one up. IT WAS GREAT!!! :) Not many vendors ( 8 I think) and about 100 campers, - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
oooops...forgot to mention their website address.... cool event for those nearby    http://gnarendezvous.org/        Randy
 
 
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I went to the Market Fair and Rifle Frolic at Ft Loudoun, co-event with Ft Frederick.   For a west coaster it was a neat experience.  There were over 100 sutlers and over 700 campers.  I was in Pennsylvania visiting my daughter, so spent a couple of days at Rdvs..   I fell in with a bunch of northern New Yorkers, who treated me like a long lost friend (most of my friends wished I were long lost...)  I planned on buying my meals at the several food vendors there, but my new friends wouldn't let me spend a dime....they fed me like a King.  I met several AMM brothers there.  It was fun seeing how the easterners did things.  I hope to return again next year.... to see my new rdvs friends, and to see my grandkids again.   Yfab, Randy
 
 
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Vicki and I just got back from the Colonial Market Fair at Jacksons Mill in Weston, WV and did GREAT!! The event was sponsored by Rick and Linda Blizard. Last we heard when they were not going to have a Fort Fred any more, so Rick and Linda set this one up.
 
IT WAS GREAT!!! :)  Not many vendors ( 8 I think) and about 100 campers,
- ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 22:41:16 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes > Does anybody know where I can pick up > some 1/4 inch horse hair ropes? > mike. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html We make buffalo hair rope in difference sizes Contact us Thanks Joe - -- Visit our web page absarokawesterndesign.com Call us for details on our custom tanning 307-455-2440 - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 02:13:20 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Horsehair Ropes - -------------------------------1083478400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Sorry I accidentally deleted the post where you gave a source for horsehair rope. I thought it was your website, but searched through and couldn't find it there. Please post the info again, Thanks, Barney - -------------------------------1083478400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- -------------------------------1083478400-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 07:59:49 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: RE: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns Brother Bear, Yep, those flinters he had are as good as they get and still be reasonably priced for a regular guy. You will not be sorry you bought one! Plus you will be supporting a fellow Montanan. My North Star West trade gun has never let me down! Don't forget though, they are smoothbores and you will be limited in your shooting. If you want to attend a fun Rendezvous and check more gear and guns out, you might drive over to the Wild Horse Rendezvous near Alberton, Montana on Memorial Day weekend. Anyone is allowed in, in case you're not fully outfitted yet with some primitive clothes. It's a shooting rondy and they let anyone walk with the shooters to see how it's done. You'd probably get to shoot some flinters too. Plus it's a beautiful drive. Contact me off list if you need directions, it's easy to find. Sincerely, bb > Visited that same table at the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today...except > I > started at the other side of the room from where Beaver Boy did, so I > found > the North Star West table early in my wanderings. They set a very high > standard for me and the rest of the show was just OK...still some modern > stuff that is fun. I was very impressed with what I say and the fact that > I > can do some of the building myself. I plan to put one of them on my > list...first time I have ever thought of going with a flintlock. > > Ed "Brother Bear" Stuart > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of >> beaverboy@sofast.net >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:01 PM >> To: hist_text@xmission.com >> Subject: MtMan-List: North Star West Guns >> >> >> Dear List, >> Went to the Great Falls Montana Gun Show today. Walked up and down >> row >> after row of mostly modern crapola when almost to the end I came to a >> table loaded with five or six very fine smoothbores! Turned out to be >> North Star West's table! Matt Denison was there with some fine examples >> of his guns and two pistols. >> I have to say that North Star guns have improved even more since I >> bought mine 7 years or so ago. >> The Officer's Model Musket is a dandy of a musket. Will make a fine >> turkey killer. The Trade Gun is as good as ever too. >> If any of you were wondering about North Star West guns, I know I >> bragged mine up and now they're even better! You can't beat them. >> bb >> >> >> http://www.northstarwest.com/ >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 14:23:28 +0000 From: amm1616@comcast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes Joe, Looks like you have a nice place, but couldn't find the horse hair ropes on the web site. Could you give me some prices on a roughly 1/4- 3/8 inch thick rope about 10-12 feet long (minimum)? Off line if you want. thanks, mike. > > Does anybody know where I can pick up > > some 1/4 inch horse hair ropes? > > mike. > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > We make buffalo hair rope in difference sizes > > Contact us > > Thanks > Joe > > > -- > Visit our web page absarokawesterndesign.com > Call us for details on our custom tanning > 307-455-2440 > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 11:36:20 -0500 From: "Mike Bowling" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes You might try Ed Wilde of Wilde Weavery & Trade Co. Phone# 816-524-7374, or email ewide@tyrell.net He had some at the eastern last year. Mad Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brandl" To: Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: horse hair ropes > > Does anybody know where I can pick up > > some 1/4 inch horse hair ropes? > > mike. > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > We make buffalo hair rope in difference sizes > > Contact us > > Thanks > Joe > > > -- > Visit our web page absarokawesterndesign.com > Call us for details on our custom tanning > 307-455-2440 > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 09:37:50 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load Dear List, I have a Lyman Plains pistol in .54 caliber. What is a good ff load for target shooting? I know these guns can shoot good, I need to get it sighted in for a shooting rondy coming up. It has a 9" inch barrel with a 1-30" inch twist. Thanks for any info in advance. bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 10:47:48 -0700 From: "RICK TABOR" Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load bb, You are right those pistols can shoot. I have won a number of matches with mine. the load I use is 30gr of 3F, a .015 pillow ticking patch, and a .530 ball. Good Luck. Rick _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:26:06 -0400 From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load On Sunday 02 May 2004 1:47 pm, RICK TABOR wrote: > bb, > You are right those pistols can shoot. I have won a number of matches > with mine. the load I use is 30gr of 3F, a .015 pillow ticking patch, and a > .530 ball. Good Luck. NOT fffg, if you want to make sure the nipple never blows out, etc. 30 to 50gr. of ffg is safe. Fred - -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:32:19 -0700 From: "RP Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load Fred, Not fffg? Why not? I and most of my hunting shooting buddies have been using 3fg in our .50 cal. and larger guns for a few decades now. Charges up around 70 to 100 without ill effect. Why would a wimpy little 30 grain charge of 3fg be of concern? Actually I use 2fg in my shot guns of 14 ga. and larger but 3fg in anything smaller and I shoot .62 cal on down. One picks the granulation that works best in a particular gun not because it is inherently dangerous. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 14:04:47 -0600 From: Joe Brandl Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horsehair Ropes > Joe, Sorry I accidentally deleted the post where you gave a source for > horsehair rope. > > I thought it was your website, but searched through and couldn't find it > there. > > Please post the info again, Thanks, Barney > I mentioned, that we make buffalo hair rope joe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:20:40 -0400 From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load On Sunday 02 May 2004 3:32 pm, RP Lahti wrote: > Fred, > > Not fffg? Why not? I and most of my hunting shooting buddies have been > using 3fg in our .50 cal. and larger guns for a few decades now. Charges up > around 70 to 100 without ill effect. Why would a wimpy little 30 grain > charge of 3fg be of concern? > > Actually I use 2fg in my shot guns of 14 ga. and larger but 3fg in anything > smaller and I shoot .62 cal on down. One picks the granulation that works > best in a particular gun not because it is inherently dangerous. Studies and tests over the years, including sectioned barrels (I've done a fair number of them) show that breech errosion is excessive in cal. above .40 (some say .45) with fffg. It's well documented. SOME barrels like CVA and Traditions are UNSAFE to burn fffg, IMHO because breechplugs often aren't threaded more than just a couple of threads (aren't safe with ffg either) and the Spanish steel is very soft. As always, there are those who will defend the use of fffg, which is fine. It's their fireams and their life. Fred - -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 17:17:42 -0700 From: "RP Lahti" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load Anyone who is shooting a gun with a breech plug that only has a couple of threads engaged is their own worse enemy and it has nothing to do with whether they are using 3fg or 2fg. There are always those who will place the blame in the wrong quarter, blaming the powder granulation rather than the quality of the gun construction. Any granulation as you say is not safe in a poorly constructed gun. 3fg no more so than 2fg. Going by granulation designation is no guard against poor workmanship. The Swiss 2fg is much hotter than many of the 3fg granulations in other brands. Probably even the Swiss 1.5 granulation will be found to be hotter than many other brands of 3fg. There is no substitute for quality workmanship. Properly fitted breech plugs and nipples along with vent liners will not be a problem with most any reasonable load and granulation. Taking any of these parts out on a regular basis can and will wear out the threads such that they may very well let loose at some time in the future. They should be properly installed, the threads protected with a good anti-seize or grease, etc. and left alone until inspection is more important than just leaving them alone and that should be rare. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 21:51:33 -0400 From: Fred Miller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lyman Plains Pistol Load On Sunday 02 May 2004 8:17 pm, RP Lahti wrote: > Traditions are UNSAFE to burn fffg, IMHO because breechplugs often aren't > threaded more than just a couple of threads (aren't safe with ffg either) > and > the Spanish steel is very soft.> > > Anyone who is shooting a gun with a breech plug that only has a couple of > threads engaged is their own worse enemy and it has nothing to do with > whether they are using 3fg or 2fg. There are always those who will place > the blame in the wrong quarter, blaming the powder granulation rather than > the quality of the gun construction. Any granulation as you say is not safe > in a poorly constructed gun. 3fg no more so than 2fg. You may remember the recall from CVA not that many years ago.....that's what in part it was for. > Going by granulation designation is no guard against poor workmanship. The > Swiss 2fg is much hotter than many of the 3fg granulations in other brands. > Probably even the Swiss 1.5 granulation will be found to be hotter than > many other brands of 3fg. I use Swiss ffg in .40 and up. I do use 30gr. of Swiss fffg in my .36 longrifle. > There is no substitute for quality workmanship. Properly fitted breech > plugs and nipples along with vent liners will not be a problem with most > any reasonable load and granulation. Taking any of these parts out on a > regular basis can and will wear out the threads such that they may very > well let loose at some time in the future. They should be properly > installed, the threads protected with a good anti-seize or grease, etc. and > left alone until inspection is more important than just leaving them alone > and that should be rare. I mentioned it because there are still a number of those firearms around that DIDN'T go for service, and the use of fffg is CERTAIN to cause problems. Fred - -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno) - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:23:27 -0600 From: "Larry" Subject: MtMan-List: checked fabric what size checks and what colors are appropriate for our time period. seen some half inch red checks at Wal-Mart, but decided to check first. thanks. larry - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1347 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.