From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1364 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Friday, June 4 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1364 In this issue: -       MtMan-List: Fort Union -       Re: MtMan-List: Fort Union -       MtMan-List: Fort Union Dates -       MtMan-List: Free Trappers Gazette -       MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition -       Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition -       Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition -       Re: MtMan-List: Was Cinches now recipe -       MtMan-List: Recipe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:51:36 -0600 From: Dennis Knapp Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Union Anyone going to Fort Union for their annual doin's June 17-20? The boys and I will be canoing in from Culbertson, MT and arrive Thursday afternoon sometime. We will be camped by the wood pile and the voyager canoes. Would like to meet some of you folks. Regards, Dennis Knapp aka Sticher southern Idaho - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:19:37 -0600 From: "Gene Hickman" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Union Beaverboy and I will be there Thursday evening through Sunday. We are staying in the north bastion. See you then. As Always, Your Obedient Servant, Gene "Bead Shooter" Hickman - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Knapp" To: Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Union > Anyone going to Fort Union for their annual doin's June 17-20? The boys and I will be canoing in from Culbertson, MT and arrive Thursday afternoon sometime. We will be camped by the wood pile and the voyager canoes. Would like to meet some of you folks. > Regards, > Dennis Knapp aka Sticher > southern Idaho > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:46:34 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Union Dates I always announce it so here goes. Everyone is invited to the 22th Annual Fort Union Rendezvous! Come and participate in the Upper Missouri's finest fur trade fair at one of the West's most imposing historic sites. June 17-20, 2004 Jim Hanson, fur trade historian and editor of the Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly will headline this year's event. Hanson will give presentations on fur trade medicine and Indian firearms. There is no cost for camping, live music Saturday night, and a dance! Easy to find- just head for the middle of nowhere! Or follow the Missouri River up to the Montana/North Dakota border and we'll be on the north bank. Hope we see you there! You can even meet beaverboy and shake his tail! He'll even buy you a beer or a cup of coffee, what ever suits you. Hope all can make it! > Beaverboy and I will be there Thursday evening through Sunday. We are > staying in the north bastion. See you then. > > As Always, > Your Obedient Servant, > > Gene "Bead Shooter" Hickman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Knapp" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:51 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Union > > >> Anyone going to Fort Union for their annual doin's June 17-20? The boys > and I will be canoing in from Culbertson, MT and arrive Thursday afternoon > sometime. We will be camped by the wood pile and the voyager canoes. Would > like to meet some of you folks. >> Regards, >> Dennis Knapp aka Sticher >> southern Idaho >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:08:01 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Free Trappers Gazette - -------------------------------1086307681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello the camp. I'm updating the Laguna Mountain Rendezvous mailing list and lost the addy for The Free Trappers Gazette. Anybody have any info on a current address or how I might contact the people involved? Thanks, Barney - -------------------------------1086307681 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the camp. = ; I'm updating the Laguna Mountain Rendezvous mailing list and lost the= addy for The Free Trappers Gazette. Anybody have any info on a current= address or how I might contact the people involved?  Thanks, Barney - -------------------------------1086307681-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:10:27 -0600 From: "Jerry Bell" Subject: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44A24.8B5E2EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper entitled ""Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann Nelson. = They found a copy and are sending it to me. I may get it today. I did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to determine its = value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them about the same thing. = They thought that was quite a coincidence to have this happen twice in the = same week when no one has asked for it previously. The Museum called me to = see if Todd were an associate of mine. I am trying to find out. If so, = they want me to make copies of the paper and send it rather than having them = do it as they have very limited copies and do not want to incur the = expense. I have two questions: 1. Is one of you Todd Glover? 2. If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies along = as long as I don't have to send hundred's of them. Those interested, let = me know. Sincerely, Jerry =20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44A24.8B5E2EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper entitled = “"Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann Nelson.  They = found a copy and are sending it to me.  I may get it today.  I did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to determine its = value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them about the same = thing.  They thought that was quite a coincidence to have this happen twice in = the same week when no one has asked for it previously.  The Museum called me = to see if Todd were an associate of mine.  I am trying to find out.  = If so, they want me to make copies of the paper and send it rather than having = them do it as they have very limited copies and do not want to incur the = expense.  I have two questions:

1.  Is one of you Todd Glover?

2.  If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies along as = long as I don’t have to send hundred’s of them.  Those = interested, let me know.

Sincerely,

Jerry

 

 

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C44A24.8B5E2EE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:04:21 -0600 From: "Allen Hall" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C44A3C.D58653E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jerry, Todd is "one of us". He lives in the SLC area, though he may be out of = town right now on business. If the paper is valuable, I'm sure many of us would be interested in a = copy. I'm sure people would be happy to pay you for your costs. Allen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Bell=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition I contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper = entitled ""Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann = Nelson. They found a copy and are sending it to me. I may get it = today. I did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to = determine its value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them = about the same thing. They thought that was quite a coincidence to have = this happen twice in the same week when no one has asked for it = previously. The Museum called me to see if Todd were an associate of = mine. I am trying to find out. If so, they want me to make copies of = the paper and send it rather than having them do it as they have very = limited copies and do not want to incur the expense. I have two = questions: 1. Is one of you Todd Glover? 2. If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies = along as long as I don't have to send hundred's of them. Those = interested, let me know. Sincerely, Jerry - ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C44A3C.D58653E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerry,
 
Todd is "one of us".  He lives in = the SLC=20 area, though he may be out of town right now on business.
 
If the paper is valuable, I'm sure many = of us would=20 be interested in a copy.  I'm sure people would be happy to pay you = for=20 your costs.
 
Allen
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Bell
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 = 11:10=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: = Description of=20 Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition

I=20 contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper entitled=20 =93"Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann = Nelson. =20 They found a copy and are sending it to me.  I may get it = today.  I=20 did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to = determine its=20 value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them about the same=20 thing.  They thought that was quite a coincidence to have this = happen=20 twice in the same week when no one has asked for it previously.  = The=20 Museum called me to see if Todd were an associate of mine.  I am = trying=20 to find out.  If so, they want me to make copies of the paper and = send it=20 rather than having them do it as they have very limited copies and do = not want=20 to incur the expense.  I have two questions:

1. =20 Is one of you Todd Glover?

2. =20 If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies along as = long as=20 I don=92t have to send hundred=92s of them.  Those interested, = let me=20 know.

Sincerely,

Jerry

 

 

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C44A3C.D58653E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:13:31 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C44A70.67BAE270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sign me up for one valuable or not, iwant to see it please Wynn Ormond ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Allen Hall=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick = Exhibition Hi Jerry, Todd is "one of us". He lives in the SLC area, though he may be out = of town right now on business. If the paper is valuable, I'm sure many of us would be interested in a = copy. I'm sure people would be happy to pay you for your costs. Allen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Bell=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Description of Saddlery in the Renwick = Exhibition I contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper = entitled ""Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann = Nelson. They found a copy and are sending it to me. I may get it = today. I did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to = determine its value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them = about the same thing. They thought that was quite a coincidence to have = this happen twice in the same week when no one has asked for it = previously. The Museum called me to see if Todd were an associate of = mine. I am trying to find out. If so, they want me to make copies of = the paper and send it rather than having them do it as they have very = limited copies and do not want to incur the expense. I have two = questions: 1. Is one of you Todd Glover? 2. If I find the paper valuable, I would be happy to send copies = along as long as I don't have to send hundred's of them. Those = interested, let me know. Sincerely, Jerry - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C44A70.67BAE270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sign me up for one valuable or not, = iwant to see it=20 please
 
Wynn Ormond
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Allen = Hall=20
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 = 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Description of=20 Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition

Hi Jerry,
 
Todd is "one of us".  He lives = in the SLC=20 area, though he may be out of town right now on business.
 
If the paper is valuable, I'm sure = many of us=20 would be interested in a copy.  I'm sure people would be happy to = pay you=20 for your costs.
 
Allen
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Bell
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 = 11:10=20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: = Description of=20 Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition

I=20 contacted the Utah Museum of Natural History about the paper = entitled=20 =93"Description of Saddlery in the Renwick Exhibition," by Ann = Nelson. =20 They found a copy and are sending it to me.  I may get it = today. =20 I did not mention it because I wanted to wait until I got it to = determine=20 its value; nevertheless, a Todd Glover just contacted them about the = same=20 thing.  They thought that was quite a coincidence to have this = happen=20 twice in the same week when no one has asked for it = previously.  The=20 Museum called me to see if Todd were an associate of mine.  I = am trying=20 to find out.  If so, they want me to make copies of the paper = and send=20 it rather than having them do it as they have very limited copies = and do not=20 want to incur the expense.  I have two = questions:

1.  Is one of you Todd=20 Glover?

2.  If I find the paper valuable, I = would be=20 happy to send copies along as long as I don=92t have to send = hundred=92s of=20 them.  Those interested, let me know.

Sincerely,

Jerry

 

 

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C44A70.67BAE270-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:16:20 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Cinches now recipe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C44A70.CCDCC6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who don't know and not having time for a good although long = story rest it to say, the mule used my head for a plow while Allen stood = by to inspect my trenching. Said something like "You coulda barrowed a shovel fer that if youd = asked" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Allen Hall=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 9:56 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was Cinches now recipe Wynn, Well, that could have something to do with it. I know she makes a = fine plow animal as well.............. Allen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wynn Ormond=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Was Cinches now recipe Thank you Allen but we all know the reason you thought the mule was = so cool is cause she had your dinner and bedding if she got mad life = could be rather unpleasent for a day or three. ;-) I will see if I can put it together again over the weekend ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DAVID HOFFMAN=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cinches off topic, not about cinches,sorry. Wynn's period documented dumplings? any chance of a recipe? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C44A70.CCDCC6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those who don't know and not having = time for a=20 good although long story rest it to say, the mule used my head for a = plow while=20 Allen stood by to inspect my trenching.
 
Said something like "You coulda = barrowed a shovel=20 fer that if youd asked"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Allen = Hall=20
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 = 9:56=20 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Was = Cinches now=20 recipe

Wynn,
 
Well, that could have something to do = with=20 it.  I know she makes a fine plow animal as=20 well..............
 
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wynn = Ormond=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, = 2004 11:35=20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Was = Cinches now=20 recipe

Thank you Allen but we all know the = reason you=20 thought the mule was so cool is cause she had your dinner and = bedding if she=20 got mad life could be rather unpleasent for a day or three. =20 ;-)
 
I will see if I can put it together = again over=20 the weekend
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DAVID = HOFFMAN=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, = 2004 5:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:=20 Cinches

off topic, not about cinches,sorry.
 Wynn's period documented dumplings? any chance of a = recipe?

Do you Yahoo!?
Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo!=20 = Messenger
= - ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C44A70.CCDCC6F0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:40:31 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" Subject: MtMan-List: Recipe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C44A74.2D95F2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out at Fort Hall with the PRP I served up a dish and many a brother = asked for the recipe. French Dumplings Warren Ferris when writing about his 1834 New Year dinner told of their = more common meals: Our common meals consist of a piece of boiled venison, with a single = addition of a piece of fat from the shoulder of the buffalo; except on = Sundays, when we have in addition a kind of French dumpling, made of = minced meat, rolled into little balls enveloped with dough, and fried in = the marrow of buffalo; which is both rich and pleasant to the taste.=20 I started out filling in some of the gaps in the recipeas follows: I found a recipe for Metis bread from a newsletter. I had to reduce the = salt by half in order to make it edible and that is what I used for the = dough. Here goes: Cook a steak Season as you desire. I used black and red pepper and allspice. Cut it up and mince it with a convenient rock or knife handle. Make the dough at increments of 1 cup flour 1/4 cup powdered milk 2 teaspoons salt Water to make a manageable dough Pull off a chunk of dough roll into a ball and then flatten Envelope it around a ball of meat Drop in hot lard I can not vouch for all the ingredients in my recipe but you could vary = it to your own level of authenticity. They was good stuff. Went well = with Mike Powell's buffalo testis. Since then I have never used exactly the same recipe for the dough or = stuffing and it usually turns out pretty delectable anyway and everyone = has had a once in life time experience. I have stuffed with ham, apples, = sausage, different steaks and nothing. The dough has included sourdough, = corn meal, oats/flour, baking soda, cinnamon, sugar, near straight = flour. As you can guess I have raided the larders of other buckskinners = to make these gems and that has lead to some of the best recipes. A memorable example was on the last night of a six day ride. We were = overlooking Green River Lake at the north end of the Winds with a raging = waterfall at our backs. We had depleted every variation of flour from = the panyards of my trusty mule at that point and I went on a raiding = expedition. A very kindly lady skinner in a nearby camp took pity on my = deplorable begging and gave me some cornbread mix she had. As the sun = dropped behind a huge cliff and the horses munch happily on tall grass, = we feasted greedily. Wynn Ormond - ---- Original Message -----=20 From: DAVID HOFFMAN=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:49 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cinches off topic, not about cinches,sorry. Wynn's period documented dumplings? any chance of a recipe? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger - ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C44A74.2D95F2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Out at Fort Hall with the PRP I served up a dish and many a brother = asked for=20 the recipe.

 

French Dumplings

Warren Ferris when writing about his 1834 New Year dinner told of = their more=20 common meals:

Our common meals consist of a piece of boiled venison, with a single = addition=20 of a piece of fat from the shoulder of the buffalo; except on Sundays, = when we=20 have in addition a kind of French dumpling, made of minced meat, rolled = into=20 little balls enveloped with dough, and fried in the marrow of buffalo; = which is=20 both rich and pleasant to the taste.

I started out filling in some of the gaps in the recipeas = follows:

I found a recipe for Metis bread from a newsletter. I had to reduce = the salt=20 by half in order to make it edible and that is what I used for the = dough. Here=20 goes:

Cook a steak

Season as you desire. I used black and red pepper and allspice.

Cut it up and mince it with a convenient rock or knife handle.

Make the dough at increments of

1 cup flour

1/4 cup powdered milk

2 teaspoons salt

Water to make a manageable dough

Pull off a chunk of dough roll into a ball and then flatten

Envelope it around a ball of meat

Drop in hot lard

I can not vouch for all the ingredients in my recipe but you could = vary it to=20 your own level of authenticity. They was good stuff. Went well with Mike = Powell=92s buffalo testis.

Since then I have never used exactly the same recipe for the dough or = stuffing and it usually turns out pretty delectable anyway and everyone = has had=20 a once in life time experience. I have stuffed with ham, apples, = sausage,=20 different steaks and nothing. The dough has included sourdough, corn = meal,=20 oats/flour, baking soda, cinnamon, sugar, near straight flour. As you = can guess=20 I have raided the larders of other buckskinners to make these gems and = that has=20 lead to some of the best recipes.

A memorable example was on the last night of a six day ride. We were=20 overlooking Green River Lake at the north end of the Winds with a raging = waterfall at our backs. We had depleted every variation of flour from = the=20 panyards of my trusty mule at that point and I went on a raiding = expedition. A=20 very kindly lady skinner in a nearby camp took pity on my deplorable = begging and=20 gave me some cornbread mix she had. As the sun dropped behind a huge = cliff and=20 the horses munch happily on tall grass, we feasted greedily.

Wynn Ormond

 

 

 

---- Original Message -----

From:=20 DAVID = HOFFMAN=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 = 5:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: = Cinches

off topic, not about cinches,sorry.
 Wynn's period documented dumplings? any chance of a = recipe?

Do you Yahoo!?
Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo!=20 Messenger - ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C44A74.2D95F2C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1364 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.