From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1383 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, August 3 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1383 In this issue: - Re: MtMan-List: mocs & amm - MtMan-List: amm in utah - Re: MtMan-List: mocs & amm - MtMan-List: Sacajawea Sulpher Springs - Re: MtMan-List: Sacajawea Sulpher Springs - Re: MtMan-List: RE: Clerk's caps, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:32:37 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mocs & amm - --part1_1cd.2754923e.2e3e9f55_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/31/2004 10:05:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mitchellsfurco@sisna.com writes: > emmet helps allot of greenhorns in are blackpowder club he wont say but he > had something to do with the start of fort Bridger He really didn't, but he has attended faithfully from the very early times. Dick - --part1_1cd.2754923e.2e3e9f55_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 07/31/2= 004 10:05:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mitchellsfurco@sisna.com writes:

emmet helps allot of greenhorns= in are blackpowder club he wont say but he had something to do with the sta= rt of fort Bridger

He really didn't, but he has attended faithfully from the very early times.<= BR>
Dick - --part1_1cd.2754923e.2e3e9f55_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:03:54 -0600 From: "Keith Mitchell" Subject: MtMan-List: amm in utah This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C477E1.25476780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to camp well unfortunately I will not be able to come up to for B in Ogden on = that weekend our local muzzleloader club will be having a shoot that = weekend any one that wants to attend feel welcome it is in eureka city = park the 13-15 I am vice pres of the t-n-t club so I have got to be = their if you come look me up - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C477E1.25476780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello to camp

well unfortunately I will not be able = to come up to=20 for B in Ogden on that weekend our local muzzleloader club will be = having a=20 shoot that weekend any one that wants to attend feel welcome it is in = eureka=20 city park the 13-15 I am vice pres of the t-n-t club so I have got to be = their=20 if you come look me up

- ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C477E1.25476780-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:19:24 -0600 From: "Allen Hall" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mocs & amm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C47815.9A1F5ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wynn, Verminous.........I've been called lots of things, but don't recall = that. Heck, we get rid of them vermin creatures when we take our yearly = bath.........let's see, did I get that bath this year yet? Side Seams Rule! Allen from Fort Hall Country ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wynn Ormond=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mocs & amm Keith I live in Cache Valley so we may play in similar territory. I am a = horse guy but I still spend plenty of time on the ground in mocs and I = agree with my friend Tom. The place that my 8 year old son and I wince = most often are asphalt and gravel roads these generally represent the = most unforgiving ground to walk on in soft soles. Let me say that if = you start mixing with this crowd you will see some guys in a single = layer moc and on up from there. I aint knocking anybody who does = otherwise but I admire a thin poorly made pair of mocs you have made = yourself more than the finest pair of fancy store boughts. If you = health and feet can take it do it. On padding: a lot of guys make a pair of mocs and sew on a second = layer to the bottom. I find it less work and more adjustable to make = several pair and tuck them inside each other as needed. I also am a fan = of wool as in blanket booties, socks or scraps in the bottom of the moc = to soften the ground rather than just layers of leather. Especially in = snow I think you don't really need heavy leather but instead insulation = inside leather that will dry out over an evening fire. On style: Once again I am not knocking anybody who does otherwise so = don't everybody start defending your postions but let me present the = idea that if you are making new mocs why not do them in the styles that = are most documentable to your period? I have made side seams out of = chap leather (thats off a cow). I have seen some thick pucker toes in = elk and other leathers (Right Rick Williams?). Kieth those AMM guys in the Poison River Party where you live are = ornery, opinionated, rothesome, vermin. You would be better off to stay = away from them, but if you did decide against your better judgement to = get to know them they are a wealth of knowledge. Tom has a great pucker = toe pattern. Crazy and Allen are side seam fans. There are some real = good camps coming up in the next couple of months that you could get = some exellant help if you wanted it. They might even make good = customers and be asking you for tanning advise. =20 Wynn Ormond One of the verminous PRP =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keith Mitchell=20 To: hist_text@xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: MtMan-List: mocs & amm Hello=20 thanks for all the info on the mocs seems like I now have a good = reason for trekking more so I can toughen up my feet but I think I will = try the double sole center seam and shoe packs for a bit I seem to have = plenty of skins around the throw tannery but I looks like I have to = brain tan up some moose skins any one that once some skins let me know = you're snail mail address and I will send you a price list I have heard = some great things about the amm but have been unable to see if I could = join them I have gotten a few of their publications up to fort Bridger = form bill Cunningham I thank you again for putting up with my greenhorn = questions and hope it is not much trouble this will be my first deer and = elk hunt with my smoke pole so I want to do it as period as possible but = like emmet heath says don't wait until you got it all or you will never = start your pilgrims journey emmet helps allot of greenhorns in are = blackpowder club he wont say but he had something to do with the start = of fort Bridger thanks again - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C47815.9A1F5ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wynn,

Verminous.........I've been called lots = of things,=20 but don't recall that. Heck, we get rid of them vermin creatures = when we=20 take our yearly bath.........let's see, did I get that bath this year=20 yet?

Side Seams Rule!

Allen from Fort Hall = Country

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wynn = Ormond=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com= =20

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 = 11:32=20 AM

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mocs = &=20 amm

Keith

I live in Cache Valley so we may play = in similar=20 territory. I am a horse guy but I still spend plenty of time on = the=20 ground in mocs and I agree with my friend Tom. The place that my = 8 year=20 old son and I wince most often are asphalt and gravel roads these = generally=20 represent the most unforgiving ground to walk on in soft soles. = Let me=20 say that if you start mixing with this crowd you will see some guys in = a=20 single layer moc and on up from there. I aint knocking anybody = who does=20 otherwise but I admire a thin poorly made pair of mocs you have = made=20 yourself more than the finest pair of fancy store boughts. If = you health=20 and feet can take it do it.

On padding: a lot of guys make a pair = of mocs and=20 sew on a second layer to the bottom. I find it less work = and more=20 adjustable to make several pair and tuck them inside each other as=20 needed. I also am a fan of wool as in blanket booties, socks or = scraps=20 in the bottom of the moc to soften the ground rather than just layers = of=20 leather. Especially in snow I think you don't really need heavy = leather=20 but instead insulation inside leather that will dry out over an = evening=20 fire.

On style: Once again I am not = knocking=20 anybody who does otherwise so don't everybody start defending your = postions=20 but let me present the idea that if you are making new mocs why not do = them in=20 the styles that are most documentable to your period? I have = made side=20 seams out of chap leather (thats off a cow). I have seen some = thick=20 pucker toes in elk and other leathers (Right Rick = Williams?).

Kieth those AMM guys in the Poison = River Party=20 where you live are ornery, opinionated, rothesome, vermin. = You=20 would be better off to stay away from them, but if you did decide = against your=20 better judgement to get to know them they are a wealth of=20 knowledge. Tom has a great pucker toe pattern. Crazy and = Allen are=20 side seam fans. There are some real good camps coming up in = the=20 next couple of months that you could get some exellant help if = you wanted=20 it. They might even make good customers and be asking you for = tanning=20 advise.

Wynn Ormond

One of the verminous PRP

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Keith Mitchell
To: hist_text@xmission.com =

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 = 9:39=20 AM

Subject: MtMan-List: mocs = &=20 amm

Hello

thanks for all the info on the mocs = seems like=20 I now have a good reason for trekking more so I can toughen up my = feet but I=20 think I will try the double sole center seam and shoe packs for a = bit I seem=20 to have plenty of skins around the throw tannery but I looks like I = have to=20 brain tan up some moose skins any one that once some skins let me = know=20 you're snail mail address and I will send you a price list I have = heard some=20 great things about the amm but have been unable to see if I could = join them=20 I have gotten a few of their publications up to fort Bridger form = bill=20 Cunningham I thank you again for putting up with my greenhorn = questions and=20 hope it is not much trouble this will be my first deer and elk hunt = with my=20 smoke pole so I want to do it as period as possible but like = emmet=20 heath says don't wait until you got it all or you will never start = your=20 pilgrims journey emmet helps allot of greenhorns in are blackpowder = club he=20 wont say but he had something to do with the start of fort Bridger = thanks=20 again

- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C47815.9A1F5ED0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:06:07 -0600 (MDT) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: MtMan-List: Sacajawea Sulpher Springs Dear List, I found another geocache yesterday and this one was very interesting. It was the "Sulpher spring" of Lewis & Clark fame! Lewis writes on Sunday June 16 1805 “…found the Indian woman extreemly ill and much reduced by her indisposition. this gave me some concern as well for the poor object herself, then with a young child in her arms… one of the small canoes was left below this rappid in order to pass and repass the river for the purpose of hunting as well as to procure the water of the Sulpher spring, the virtues of which I now resolved to try on the Indian woman. the water is as transparent as possible strongly impreganted with sulpher, and I suspect Iron also, as the colour of the hills and bluffs in the neighbourhood indicate the existence of that metal.” The sulfur water(combined with opium!) made her well “and she feels herself much freer from pain”. This spot has remained almost completely unchanged since L&C came through other than a barb wire fence or two. It was only a short 1.5 mile hike to the spring on a fine trail. I've been there before but it is a neat place to see again, I even trapped some beaver nearby one year. You can smell the sulfur and see that the water looks almost carbonated. I don't have enough guts to drink it though. Click on the little camera’s for views of this historical spot! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=a3aaf2ea-4510-4082-aa80-06585128191d The photo of Portage Creek (Belt Creek)is where the Corps started their great portage. All of you ought to buy a GPS and go locate a cache or two around your home. You’ll be amazed at all the historical spots that are on the webpage and the GPS makes it a snap to find. Just click on this link and type in the zip code you want to search. http://www.geocaching.com/ If you are still really against modern technology use your sextant and find the cache the old fashion way! Some guys use only topo maps and compass's to find these caches!!! Now those guys know what they are doing!! It's a great sport and gets you right to some great locations and is some good exercise. Check it out. beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:34:48 GMT From: "tetontodd@juno.com" Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sacajawea Sulpher Springs Hey BB, Thanks for sharing the adventures. The photos are fun to look at and give me a great mental break while sitting here at work. Teton Todd - -- beaverboy@sofast.net wrote: Dear List, I found another geocache yesterday and this one was very interesting. It was the "Sulpher spring" of Lewis & Clark fame! Lewis writes on Sunday June 16 1805 “…found the Indian woman extreemly ill and much reduced by her indisposition. this gave me some concern as well for the poor object herself, then with a young child in her arms… one of the small canoes was left below this rappid in order to pass and repass the river for the purpose of hunting as well as to procure the water of the Sulpher spring, the virtues of which I now resolved to try on the Indian woman. the water is as transparent as possible strongly impreganted with sulpher, and I suspect Iron also, as the colour of the hills and bluffs in the neighbourhood indicate the existence of that metal.” The sulfur water(combined with opium!) made her well “and she feels herself much freer from pain”. This spot has remained almost completely unchanged since L&C came through other than a barb wire fence or two. It was only a short 1.5 mile hike to the spring on a fine trail. I've been there before but it is a neat place to see again, I even trapped some beaver nearby one year. You can smell the sulfur and see that the water looks almost carbonated. I don't have enough guts to drink it though. Click on the little camera’s for views of this historical spot! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=a3aaf2ea-4510-4082-aa80-06585128191d The photo of Portage Creek (Belt Creek)is where the Corps started their great portage. All of you ought to buy a GPS and go locate a cache or two around your home. You’ll be amazed at all the historical spots that are on the webpage and the GPS makes it a snap to find. Just click on this link and type in the zip code you want to search. http://www.geocaching.com/ If you are still really against modern technology use your sextant and find the cache the old fashion way! Some guys use only topo maps and compass's to find these caches!!! Now those guys know what they are doing!! It's a great sport and gets you right to some great locations and is some good exercise. Check it out. beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Samuel Keller Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: Clerk's caps, Randy, I was the one looking for the Clerks CAp. I found a pattern at, of all places, WalMart. Simplicity #5037, has a cap that is really close to my cap I found at the Southwestern. Havn't had a chance to make one yet, maybe next week. Sam "Sleeping Bear" Keller - --- Randal Bublitz wrote: > Hello Brothers, There was a discussion about a > month, or so, ago about > clerk's caps (known by other names that escape me at > present). They are > the short billed 'workers' caps. A fellow on this > list had patterns. I > had saved this info., but with my computer problems > I lost the info.. I > was interested in general, but now an opportunity > has come up for me to > portray a craftsmen at a local CA. Mission (ie, a > Russian windmill > builder). I figure a cap like this would make my > outfit look all the > better. If the gentleman who had the patterns would > be willing to sell, > lend, give me a copy of the pattern I would be most > interested. I have a > big fat head , so would be interested in the large > pattern. If you see > this, please respond. Many thanks. Yfab, Randy > 'hardtack' Bublitz > > > Life is short, paddle hard...... > Randal Bublitz > rjbublitz@earthlink.net > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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